This property was recently purchased and is in the process of being rezoned for "commercial/office development".

The title of the application is "Portland Power Center"; a power center is typically a big-box retail development with some out parcels.

Not sure what businesses might be going in here, but I'm sure they are working on that. It's a great location at the intersection of Portland and NW 178th/Edmond Road.

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This property was recently purchased and is in the process of being rezoned for "commercial/office development".

The title of the application is "Portland Power Center"; a power center is typically a big-box retail development with some out parcels.

Not sure what businesses might be going in here, but I'm sure they are working on that. It's a great location at the intersection of Portland and NW 178th/Edmond Road.

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A new crest fresh market would wreck it here!

It might take a while, but there will be a day where we regret not making OK-74 limited access all the way up to Waterloo.

It might take a while, but there will be a day where we regret not making OK-74 limited access all the way up to Waterloo.
They’re eventually going to do that but need the money first.

They’re eventually going to do that but need the money first.

Its significantly harder to do that once businesses start building in the corridor though.

That was going to be my comment as well. I hope they have enough protected land on one side of that road or the other so that when they inevitably do decide they need to extend the highway north that it's ready to go.

I'm not for overbuilding when it comes to highways but that is the one corridor that I can see a coming necessity. Too much development going on throughout that part of the county to rely only on grid roads in the future.

Its significantly harder to do that once businesses start building in the corridor though.
They have sufficient ROW.

I drove that section last week and made a mental note that it appeared the land had been graded for overpasses and limited access already.

A new crest fresh market would wreck it here!

Absolutely - the number of homes going up along Portland and to the west would easily fill that parking lot up with customers. Hope they are considering this area for future location.

Same goes to the eventual Covell Crest - I Hope they start that location soon as I plan to move that way in the coming few years,

I just learned the owner of this property has put out for bid a 7,000 square foot brick building on this site.

For perspective, Crest is usually about 90,000, Aldi about 12,000, Walmart Neighborhood Market 43,000 and Sprouts 29,000.

Walgreens/CVS is usually around 14,000 SF.

They’re eventually going to do that but need the money first.

From what I remember when it all went down, ODOT had originally wanted it to be limited access all the way up but didn't have the money and decided to make it how it is now, and just like Northwest Expressway out to the turnpike. I don't think there are any more plans to make it limited access. I could be wrong, but I just seem to remember the hoopla around the current way it was done and it was sold as what-you-see-is-what-you-get. If you look at google maps and follow the right-of-way from the turnpike north, it narrows significantly as you go north of 178th. ODOT would have to sacrifice those wide areas of grass between the service roads and the highway like they have to the south of there. As it is now, it's no better than driving May Avenue to the east because it never fails, I almost stop at every single light along the way up and along the way back to Waterloo. It's only wider and has large shoulders. But yes, a missed opportunity indeed with all that growth out there. Absurd, really.

So, when I was driving north last week and sitting at those lights, it looked to me that (at least up to 194th) the land had been graded in such a way that the section line roads could be elevated over the highway pretty easily.

It might take a while, but there will be a day where we regret not making OK-74 limited access all the way up to Waterloo.

Agreed. It’s such a disaster (not to mention, just plain dangerous) that highways like NW Expressway have so many curb cuts.

I guess now the speculation is what Big Box Store(s) would build?

Lowes? Home Depot? Walmart SuperCenter? Target? Crest? Homeland?

Given the location at the edge of OKC City Limits, I don't know if that plays any factor in that there won't be a lot of new resident density to the north and west of this location. The median income and population density to the south and east of this is quite high compared to some other strip centers across the metro. However, whatever is built should be welcomed to provide an alternative to a packed out Penn/Memorial corridor.

New to market would be awesome.

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From the proposed Plat of land, and in reference to Right Of Way expansion from Portland. It appears this power center will have an entrance from 178th st and connect to the existing entrance to The Grove sub division entrance from Portland. It also appears that some houses in The Grove will back right up to this.

I guess now the speculation is what Big Box Store(s) would build?

Lowes? Home Depot? Walmart SuperCenter? Target? Crest? Homeland?

Given the location at the edge of OKC City Limits, I don't know if that plays any factor in that there won't be a lot of new resident density to the north and west of this location. The median income and population density to the south and east of this is quite high compared to some other strip centers across the metro. However, whatever is built should be welcomed to provide an alternative to a packed out Penn/Memorial corridor.

Not arguing, but I thought the bordering areas of Piedmont and Deer Creek were both very fast growing?

Not arguing, but I thought the bordering areas of Piedmont and Deer Creek were both very fast growing?

Yeah, at the moment it's on the outskirts of the denser subdivisions but given that there's basically no barriers to continued development in the area with regards to terrain and the road network, I wouldn't expect that to be the case for too much longer...especially given that Paycom shows no signs of slowing down its expansion, which I have to believe is a major driver of growth in this corner of the Metro.

Not arguing, but I thought the bordering areas of Piedmont and Deer Creek were both very fast growing?

Currently everything north of 164 and west of Portland is mostly out of city limits so as it stands probably won’t develop at as dense as it will likely be larger lot communities but that can quickly change

Given the ROW preserved there should be enough room for an 8-10 freeway let alone a 4 lane facility. This is the one road I see in Oklahoma where sufficient ROW is preserved for a freeway conversion.

Not arguing, but I thought the bordering areas of Piedmont and Deer Creek were both very fast growing?

just a point of clarification (not saying you don't know this) deer creek is not really an area .. just a school district ..

just a point of clarification (not saying you don't know this) deer creek is not really an area .. just a school district ..

Yes. And I see the fast growing and affluent "white flight" district of Deer Creek (plus Piedmont-city and schools) as a prime area for explosive growth.

just a point of clarification (not saying you don't know this) deer creek is not really an area .. just a school district ..

Oklahoma County is divided into 20 survey townships and the northwestern-most township (6x6 sq miles) is called Deer Creek.

Oklahoma County is divided into 20 survey townships and the northwestern-most township (6x6 sq miles) is called Deer Creek.

which is not a city .. .and thus has no city government .. which is another draw .... living in oklahoma county but without city rules ..

This is probably a subject for a different thread. But it's obvious that dense development (of the variety that exists a couple miles east) is about to spill across the highway into the traditional Deer Creek area. The OKC metro doesn't have widespread examples of this level of residential and commercial development occurring in unincorporated areas. I wonder if there will be a move on the part of traditional Deer Creek denizens to incorporate and thus, set up some rules governing development.

This happened in suburban St. Louis with the town of Wildwood. People that had been used to more of a country feel wanted to protect their area by mandating larger lot sizes, more stringent rules regarding clear-cutting of land, less commercial development etc. So Wildwood was born and it has kept that area more rural even as they have selectively allowed neighborhoods in some areas. It's also driven up home values.

Given the ROW preserved there should be enough room for an 8-10 freeway let alone a 4 lane facility. This is the one road I see in Oklahoma where sufficient ROW is preserved for a freeway conversion.

Well, if they can fit service roads within that ROW then sure. You know how it goes, if there is no service road, these business will throw a fit when you take away their curb cuts and ODOT backs down.

Well, if they can fit service roads within that ROW then sure. You know how it goes, if there is no service road, these business will throw a fit when you take away their curb cuts and ODOT backs down.
I would imagine they will continue the service roads as they did to 150th st

Oh man, as someone who is moving up just north of Waterloo in that area soon, I would love for there to be a grocery here. Right now its either Uptown off of Covell or Walmart/Crest off of 164th, both of which are a bit of a haul.

Currently everything north of 164 and west of Portland is mostly out of city limits so as it stands probably won’t develop at as dense as it will likely be larger lot communities but that can quickly change

Apparently OKC just annexed some more land into city limits in this area this week. Wouldn’t be shocked if this keeps happening since this is where a lot of growth is happening.

Apparently OKC just annexed some more land into city limits in this area this week. Wouldn’t be shocked if this keeps happening since this is where a lot of growth is happening.

link?? / where did you hear this??

https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/2022/01/21/oklahoma-city-annex-land-may-ave-southern-boundary-nw-206/6592352001/

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It's 160 acres; 1/4 of a square mile.

https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/2022/01/21/oklahoma-city-annex-land-may-ave-southern-boundary-nw-206/6592352001/

thanks

If anything they need to de-annex portions of Oklahoma City.

Especially sprawled sections in south Oklahoma City that run into and around Moore.

https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/2022/01/21/oklahoma-city-annex-land-may-ave-southern-boundary-nw-206/6592352001/

i found a free story on it

https://freepressokc.com/okc-city-council-votes-to-annex-160-acres-in-deer-creek-area/

link?? / where did you hear this??

There was an annexation in city council on Tuesday, which I lamented on Twitter, but not sure if it's this specific area being referenced.

There was an annexation in city council on Tuesday, which I lamented on Twitter, but not sure if it's this specific area being referenced.

It's not this area.

ah okay

Oklahoma City continues to grow with this recent annexation. Strange this was on the agenda and approved with Mayor Holt absent.

Everyone wants better and faster services. Having lived briefly in several different states besides Oklahoma, this all has a familiar ring.

This rezoning opens more areas of the city for development.

I drove that section last week and made a mental note that it appeared the land had been graded for overpasses and limited access already.

A grade separation project for the intersection with 164th is on the ODOT 8 Year Plan:
https://www.odot.org/cwp-8-year-plan/cwp_ffy2022-ffy2029/8_year_cwp_districtokc_map.pdf

A grade separation project for the intersection with 164th is on the ODOT 8 Year Plan:
https://www.odot.org/cwp-8-year-plan/cwp_ffy2022-ffy2029/8_year_cwp_districtokc_map.pdf

Should have been done with 150th but you know no debt by ODOT

Updated site plan:
https://retailproperties.cbre.us/property/capsule_data/156/property/pdf/siteplan/22823.pdf

No Big Box store in the site plan. Stores about the size of Five Below, Old Navy, PetSmart, and smaller strip mall stores in the mix of about 7000 square feet. Also, on the north end of the property a proposed medical facility.

Fast Food proposed for the out parcels, along with a car wash and credit union.

These plans change a lot, but interesting no large grocery store or similar being proposed at this time, given the location that could not only pull from the immediate highly populated area, but also up to Crescent, Kingfisher, Piedmont .

Yeah a supermarket would've been nice, but I'm hoping those restaurants aren't fast food. There's not a lot of good sit down places in that area. The plan doesn't show drive-thrus but rather show outdoor patio seating.

The traffic at that intersection is already bad around rush hour, this is gonna make it worse. I wish they would've kept the freeway all the way to Waterloo rather than lights.

Any word on this? My home is being built very close to this proposed retail development, and I am curious about this. Thank you!

Any word on this? My home is being built very close to this proposed retail development, and I am curious about this. Thank you!

No, nothing yet.

A new Buffalo Wild Wings is in the works for the SE corner of NW 164th & Portland.

No, nothing yet.

A new Buffalo Wild Wings is in the works for the SE corner of NW 150th & Portland.
SE?
Like next to Francis Tuttle? Any of the other three corners of 150th and Portland Make more sense

My bad. I meant 164th. I changed my post.

Any word on this? My home is being built very close to this proposed retail development, and I am curious about this. Thank you!

The plans are tentative, and tenant mix is liking to change given the size of the project. However, given the high housing density to the south and east of this project, access to highway (Portland) and higher household income demographics, my guess is that it will look like other comparable strip centers in the area. There may be enough density and distance to finally pull this area away from the Quail Springs Corridor, similar to how the areas around Rockwell and MacArthur are gaining their own identity separate from the radius of Penn/Memorial.

Thank you so much for the info, Pete and scottk! I appreciate it. I sure hope there is enough retail development in this particular area to pull it away from Quail Springs. I’ve lived in the Quail Springs area for most of the last 16 years, so I would love to never have to go near it for anything again.

Rumor was posted to a social media page that Crest is looking to expand either in this center or somewhere else near 178th and Portland.

Can't find any new permits filed with OKC, unless they would be building it just outside of city limits on 178th, which seems unlikely.

They have filed to re-plat the property:

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/150portland020423a.jpg

Tenant mix is starting to come together for this location:

https://www.cbre.com/resources/fileassets/US-SMPL-91696/fd8edd89/253cc908-b49e-4c7f-88a6-b8cdee8a0236.pdf

Tentative tenants include:
-Ross Dress For Less
-Homegoods
-ChickFila - Looks like they took two of the outer parcels, which is smart given their drive thru demand.
-PopShelf
-Dollar Store - My guess would be the Dollar General across the street closing and moving into this strip center along with Popshelf since they are the same company.

It will ll be interesting to see what direction ChickFila faces. If there are additional curb cuts on Portland, it seems that would cause dangerous traffic issues on a road where people are going 55+mph.

Tenant mix is starting to come together for this location:

https://www.cbre.com/resources/fileassets/US-SMPL-91696/fd8edd89/253cc908-b49e-4c7f-88a6-b8cdee8a0236.pdf

Tentative Tenants include: Ross Dress For Less, Homegoods, ChickFila, HomeGoods, Dollar Store, and PopShelf.

It will ll be interesting to see what direction ChickFila faces. If there are additional curb cuts on Portland, it seems that would cause dangerous traffic issues on a road where people are going 55mph.

There won't be additional curb cuts, city/odot will not allow it. Portland is supposed to be semi controlled.

Looks like a convenience store on the corner. OnCue already has a big location just a mile south and 7-Eleven a mile to the east. Could be Casey's, Domino or eExpress.

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/178portland022623c.jpg

According to CRBE, 7-11 is suppose to build on the south side of 178th and east side of Portland, along with a proposed Braum's. Not sure if that would be a go given the brand new store at 178th and May, unless traffic counts are that different.

Could be a smaller OnCue to catch people heading northbound in the evenings? The one at 164th and Portland is quite larger than their average footprint, but given the traffic light at 164th and Portland I can see how their business would drop significantly in the evenings because of ease of access. Northbound traffic can get backed up back to the 150th bridge and sometimes close to the Memorial overpasses during the 4:30-7:00 PM window.

Dear Lord. Nothing says “power” like a dollar store, a new incarnation of a dollar store, a convenience store, and a Ross Dress For Less. What a mind-numbing array. Sorry to sound like a snob, but is this really the best they can do?

When the Chick Fil A is the star of the shopping center, that’s really saying something.

Dear Lord. Nothing says “power” like a dollar store, a new incarnation of a dollar store, a convenience store, and a Ross Dress For Less. What a mind-numbing array. Sorry to sound like a snob, but is this really the best they can do?

When the Chick Fil A is the star of the shopping center, that’s really saying something.

Is this the best they can do? No.

But unfortunately "build it fast, build it cheap!" I think these stores are safe bets, but kind of surprising given the higher income and density of the area. Rose Creek Plaza a mile south seems to be the focus for a higher end tenant mix.

Given Amazon's dominance on retail, not sure what other type of store to expect in a power center these days? I think a Home Improvement Store (ACE, Lowes, Home Depot) would do well this far out given the amount of new homes and construction in this area. With Homeland being built down the street, not sure if there is enough demand for another grocery store this soon in the same area? I wouldn't be surprised to see a PetSmart or Petco go in the other "Big Box" store placeholder on the north end.

Deer Creek schools will benefit from the tax dollars.

HomeGoods is a great tenant and Popshelf stores are nice and bright.

'Power center' is another term for 'big box center'. Not sure what else you would expect at this location.

So is that Chick Fil A footprint big enough for their typical 2 lane drive thru that wraps all around their buildings and overflows out onto the streets they are typically located on?

7 Eleven still owns the opposite corner (Southeast side of 178th and Portland), so it seems likely they would eventually put a gas station there. I could see Caseys or OnCue going on the corner of this shopping center.

I think the OnCue at 164th and Portland caters to a lot of thru traffic coming from the north down HWY74 into OKC. If OnCue were to build here, it would potentially hit a different audience of those living in Valencia, Rose Creek, and Grove.

https://docs.oklahomacounty.org/AssessorWP5/AN-R.asp?PropertyID=344563