I believe it is now 2022.:)

Here’s to a year of continued growth and recovery and hopefully a few new routes.

Just got notified of a United schedule change for March. Looks like United will only have 3 flights a day to Denver in March instead of 4.

[QUOTE=damonsmuz;1192738]Just got notified of a United schedule change for March. Looks like United will only have 3 flights a day to Denver in March instead of 4.[/QUOT

My apologies, I meant to say the end of January. Not March

Nothing too big but it may interest some :

Breeze will start using their new A 220 on the OKC Tampa route sometimes, after May 4th. It should be a first for the A220 in OKC as I dont think Delta flies any to OKC.

^^
Your post made me take a look at the Breeze Airways website and it's showing, in addition to the existing rt Tampa flight, in late May they will begin a rt non-stop OKC - Charleston, SC.

OKC-CHS would not surprise me as that's a focus city for Breeze. And that's great news--it's a city I have really wanted to visit. Visited Savannah last spring and it was great, and I have heard Charleston is even better.

OKC-CHS would not surprise me as that's a focus city for Breeze. And that's great news--it's a city I have really wanted to visit. Visited Savannah last spring and it was great, and I have heard Charleston is even better.
Charleston is incredible.

The flight time is 4 hours and 30 minutes and includes one "BreezeThru." The flight also leaves at the same time as the Tampa flight, so I strongly suspect the flight to Charleston includes a stop in Tampa

The flight time is 4 hours and 30 minutes and includes one "BreezeThru." The flight also leaves at the same time as the Tampa flight, so I strongly suspect the flight to Charleston includes a stop in Tampa

Do you know if the TUL-TPA flight will have the CHS extension? Going to SC this summer and would probably use it. I was looking at Southwest through STL or DAL

Do you know if the TUL-TPA flight will have the CHS extension? Going to SC this summer and would probably use it. I was looking at Southwest through STL or DAL

It’s not appearing as bookable.

The OKC - Newark on United is now bookable for the summer month.

Not sure when it restarts exactly but that is excellent news.

so that leaves SFO (and IAD?) as unserved UAL hubs, where pre-pandemic we had all of them.

I suspect once International Asia comes back online SFO will resume.

The OKC - Newark on United is now bookable for the summer month.

Not sure when it restarts exactly but that is excellent news.

Great news, is AA currently flying to LGA?

How long has AA been flying A321s to/from CLT?

I’m fairly confident that it was an A321 used for my flight to Charlotte in April of last year. I could be wrong but my memory seems to think that’s what it was.

AA flies to LGA.

I wonder what effects the Frontier/Spirit merger will have on OKC (if any)?

I wonder what effects the Frontier/Spirit merger will have on OKC (if any)?

That seems like an odd merger, I thought they had different business models

It can not hurt OKC.

We do not have Spirit and Frontier only flew a couple of days to Denver and may be seasonally to Orlando. Hopefully we will get more destinations and frequencies out of it.

That seems like an odd merger, I thought they had different business models

They're both Ultra Low Cost Carriers (ULCC) now, after Frontier's purchase and restart a few years ago.

https://skift.com/2022/02/07/frontier-and-spirit-to-merge-in-6-6-billion-cash-stock-deal/

Well that f@cking sucks.

Well that f@cking sucks.

Why does it suck? And why the language?

Why does it suck? And why the language?
Mergers are usually not good for consumers. That’s why anti monopoly laws exist.

Frontier does fly to Vegas too

I wonder what effects the Frontier/Spirit merger will have on OKC (if any)?

Means I’ll only have to avoid one airline instead of two now, lmao.

Side note: I stumbled on this website and have been addicted since. Interactive direct flight connections from every airport in the world. click on start city then destination city and it shows what airline, frequency, ect. Pretty cool to see who flies where and direct flight access from random cities. My biggest take is that Memphis used to be a machine, now it's very pedestrian. I think overall OKC has good access to most parts of the country. LHR is a machine

https://www.flightconnections.com/

Frontier and Spirit merging.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/frontier-group-spirit-airlines-merge-in-6-6-billion-deal-11644236133?mod=hp_lead_pos1

In theory more scale equals more capacity to expand

Edit: Technically Frontier buying Spirit, but Frontier will be 51.5% so it's closer to merger.

Not sure if I should ask this on this thread or if a new one is needed. Anyone know where to ask about general aviation questions? I am wondering about private air strips. I have a question about them and just want to know who governs them or makes rules about them. I am not an aviation type. This has to do with building next to one. Hoping someone could point me in the right direction.

Not sure if I should ask this on this thread or if a new one is needed. Anyone know where to ask about general aviation questions? I am wondering about private air strips. I have a question about them and just want to know who governs them or makes rules about them. I am not an aviation type. This has to do with building next to one. Hoping someone could point me in the right direction.

Not entirely the right thread, but it's good. I'd start with the Oklahoma Aeronautics Commission. Also, all airstrips have to have FAA approval, public or private. If it's in a city and some Oklahoma counties, it might have zoning around it that has airport requirements integrated (height and use restrictions, etc.).

Thank you RichardatRemax.
This is an excellent tool. I have been batting flights schedule to find which airlines fly on which day.
This helps immensely. I won’t have to waste as much time on Allegiant or Southwest web sites.

January numbers :
https://flyokc.com/sites/default/files/Copy%20of%2022-07%20January%20Enplanement%20Email.pdf

https://thepointsguy.com/news/united-airlines-cuts-domestic-routes/
United dropping IAD and EWR from OKC. One more reason I continue to be pushed more and more to American for the vast majority of my flying. All United will have, in this era when most airlines are flying close to their 2019 domestic numbers, is DEN, IAH, and ORD. Someone tell me why they need all those gates?

I was wondering where the EWR flight went. Was planning a trip to NJ and didn't want to have to fly into LGA via AA.

That sucks.

Unfortunately, more proof OKC is more minor league than major league. Won't be long before Tulsa has more connections than OKC.

Unfortunately, more proof OKC is more minor league than major league. Won't be long before Tulsa has more connections than OKC.

As OKC has 1/3 more passenger than Tulsa, I wont go that far.

Anyway, it is annoying the United cuts these flight. I saw about Dulles but not EWR so I still have hope.

Unfortunately, more proof OKC is more minor league than major league. Won't be long before Tulsa has more connections than OKC.

lol

As OKC has 1/3 more passenger than Tulsa, I wont go that far.

Anyway, it is annoying the United cuts these flight. I saw about Dulles but not EWR so I still have hope.

I said connections, not passengers.

OKC isn't going to be gaining any new connections anytime soon. Tulsa still has plenty they can gain. I wanted OKC to get Boston or JFK. Losing Newark means those likely won't happen. I don't know how OKC lost DC, but that is disheartening.

Not sure where OKC can look for new additions.

United continues to downgauge its equipment from OKC as there are now multiple E145s added to the schedule to/from IAH. They really are trying everything they can to dissuade me from continuing all of my business travel with them.

United continues to downgauge its equipment from OKC as there are now multiple E145s added to the schedule to/from IAH. They really are trying everything they can to dissuade me from continuing all of my business travel with them.
Those planes are miserable. Looks like it’s back to AA and Delta (which also mostly sucks out of OKC).

I said connections, not passengers.

OKC isn't going to be gaining any new connections anytime soon. Tulsa still has plenty they can gain. I wanted OKC to get Boston or JFK. Losing Newark means those likely won't happen. I don't know how OKC lost DC, but that is disheartening.

Not sure where OKC can look for new additions.

For people who are actually flying to or from DC, United isn't nearly as good an option as American or Southwest on their nonstops to DCA. It's really only convenient for those who are not going into DC or those who want international connections.

Disappointing to see United end IAD and EWR from both OKC and TUL. I was hoping at least EWR could come back as that was served from both cities for many years.

I said connections, not passengers.

OKC isn't going to be gaining any new connections anytime soon. Tulsa still has plenty they can gain. I wanted OKC to get Boston or JFK. Losing Newark means those likely won't happen. I don't know how OKC lost DC, but that is disheartening.

Not sure where OKC can look for new additions.

dont whet your shorts about this, its only ONE airline that is not even a top 3 carrier in OKC who is dropping one (or two) secondary hub cities. OKC could still add BOS and/or JFK from airlines that are expanding in OKC - AA and DL, and even perhaps AS or the entry of Jetblue. Definitely was never going to be OKC-BOS or OKC-JFK on United.

United is downsizing in OKC, not everybody else - in fact, who are upgauging and adding. I seriously doubt Tulsa would overtake OKC in pax or connections, they'd need NW Arkansas, Stillwater, and Wichita traffic to make a serious go at it and all of them have their own airports. If United is downsizing in OKC (as they are in many other cities) I also seriously doubt they start adding in Tulsa as a result.

Now I must admit I am very disappointed in United; no return of SFO or LAX, and losing IAD and potentially EWR? And to top it off, downgrading equipment to the 3 major hubs as well. WTH is going on with the friendly skies?

For people who are actually flying to or from DC, United isn't nearly as good an option as American or Southwest on their nonstops to DCA. It's really only convenient for those who are not going into DC or those who want international connections.This is accurate, I admit. Though I hate to see the service go. I only ever used non-stops to IAD and EWR for DC and NYC trips when we did not have non-stop service to DCA and LGA. I will clearly use those going forward. But I have used both IAD and EWR on European trips (even if the EWR flight wasn't always timed very good, United had good flights from there). So for European connections this is bad, but not for local service, which AA has covered. But we still don't have service to the SFO area on any carrier. I hope that's the first hub that United brings back.

This is accurate, I admit. Though I hate to see the service go. I only ever used non-stops to IAD and EWR for DC and NYC trips when we did not have non-stop service to DCA and LGA. I will clearly use those going forward. But I have used both IAD and EWR on European trips (even if the EWR flight wasn't always timed very good, United had good flights from there). So for European connections this is bad, but not for local service, which AA has covered. But we still don't have service to the SFO area on any carrier. I hope that's the first hub that United brings back.

Ideally an airport the size of OKC (and even TUL) should have non-stops to SFO, IAD, EWR as well as DCA and LGA. These are some of the largest markets in the U.S.

Serious question, why is LGA favored over JFK? Both are in Queens, but I find transit integration and getting to the other boroughs easier from JFK.

Serious question, why is LGA favored over JFK? Both are in Queens, but I find transit integration and getting to the other boroughs easier from JFK.

Closest to the heart of Manhattan

Um, physically closer, sure, but there is NO directly connected subway at LGA (or intuitive way to get to the subway). To get to Manhattan, you either have to get a Taxi/Uber/Lyft, or take a bus to the closest subway station and then take the subway to Manhattan. Transit wise that's an hour-ish to central park (total time depends on where in Manhattan you're going obvs).

At JFK, there's a train station (Air Train) that connects to every terminal, and you just take the air train to the the subway station and transfer to the A train which goes to Manhattan. Still an hour-ish, but MUCH simpler/more intuitive, especially with luggage.

^^^ that will eventually change:

https://www.crossroadstoday.com/i/plans-unveiled-for-manhattan-laguardia-airport-connection/

Nice, finally.

Nice, finally.
Hopefully they chose the subway extension. The air train was a joke I am happy Cuomo's pet project died. Between this and the Brooklyn-Queens HRT link this area will really have some great new transit connections.

Um, physically closer, sure, but there is NO directly connected subway at LGA (or intuitive way to get to the subway). To get to Manhattan, you either have to get a Taxi/Uber/Lyft, or take a bus to the closest subway station and then take the subway to Manhattan. Transit wise that's an hour-ish to central park (total time depends on where in Manhattan you're going obvs)...
Black car service…the bonus being there’s a dude standing there holding a sign with your name on it! :cool:

Hopefully they chose the subway extension. The air train was a joke I am happy Cuomo's pet project died. Between this and the Brooklyn-Queens HRT link this area will really have some great new transit connections.

The air train at JFK is fine IMO. I know you meant the elevated rail in the proposal, just saying if they just did the same thing it'd be great. Subway extension is great but expensive and slow.

Also, another thing I like about JFK transit links is if you take the air train one direction you connect to brooklyn trains toward manhattan, or if you take the air train the other direction you end up deeper in queens at a station that gets you just about anywhere else in queens.

Black car service…the bonus being there’s a dude standing there holding a sign with your name on it! :cool:

Yeah my sister lives in Brooklyn and uses car services a lot, even from JFK. She just doesn't want to deal. By contrast her bf is like me and always uses JFK because transit.

The air train at JFK is fine IMO. I know you meant the elevated rail in the proposal, just saying if they just did the same thing it'd be great. Subway extension is great but expensive and slow.

Also, another thing I like about JFK transit links is if you take the air train one direction you connect to brooklyn trains toward manhattan, or if you take the air train the other direction you end up deeper in queens at a station that gets you just about anywhere else in queens.
The air train proposal is dead. It was widely unpopular and was finally killed by the acting governor: https://www.anewlga.com/airtrain/

Subway expansion is slow and expensive but is worthwhile in the end.

Black car service…the bonus being there’s a dude standing there holding a sign with your name on it! :cool:

the best way in NYC and chicago

the best way in NYC and chicago

At least in Chicago the orange and blue lines are direct, relatively cheap, and easy. Not everyone can afford black car service.

Anyone fly Allegiant lately out of OKC. Thinking of using them to Vegas but I know they have had some major issues in the past. Have they cleaned thing up. Don't hear about them in the news as much as you did a few years ago.

Per TPG, OKC and Tulsa picking up new flights to Nashville on Breeze Airways. OKC flights will be on Mondays and Fridays and begin June 3.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/breeze-airways-new-cities-airbus-a220-transcons/