We will soon be at Tulsa's level, in terms of destinations. Yay for thr new leadership!

The OKC to SFO is officailly cut, not just suspended.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/united-cuts-routes-drop-cities/Well crap. Every time I flew the route it was full and even overbooked sometimes. United is such a joke in OKC right now. I hope Catch is right that all these plane deliveries will trickle down to OKC.

The OKC to SFO is officailly cut, not just suspended.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/united-cuts-routes-drop-cities/

And even cities much larger than OKC are losing SFO service--Detroit and St. Louis! Wow. And EUG (great airport alternative to PDX btw, used it this summer) lost both LAX and ORD! Tough day for that little airport.

I feel like a Bay Area connection is as important as NYC if OKC/TUL are to be any kind of emerging tech hubs. United to SFO makes the most sense but Alaska could be an option for OKC. Also Southwest to OAK which is their largest west coast hub outside of LAS and PHX.

Seems like a good place for the airport/city to subsidize a route.

It ran for what, 10 years? It didn't last that long because it lost money. I would say it is a route that is a matter of when not if, it will return.

SFO as a whole really needs Asia traffic to recover.

I feel like a Bay Area connection is as important as NYC if OKC/TUL are to be any kind of emerging tech hubs. United to SFO makes the most sense but Alaska could be an option for OKC. Also Southwest to OAK which is their largest west coast hub outside of LAS and PHX.

Seems like a good place for the airport/city to subsidize a route.

Agreed. WN to OAK seems like the most likely after UA's exit from SFO. It could provide some connectivity, too, to smaller PNW markets like Bellingham, Eugene and all of the Hawaii stations they serve from there. That'd be a nice pickup for OKC.

Alaska to the Bay Area would be awesome

We will soon be at Tulsa's level, in terms of destinations. Yay for thr new leadership!

This is in no way related to the new leadership...

This is in no way related to the new leadership...

At a certain point, it is. Other airports OKC's size aren't losing routes left and right. OKC has lost SFO, Baltimore, I don't know if the Nashville flights have ever even gotten off the ground. No hope on the horizon for new routes. Just kind of sucks. I was hoping the new gates would be a boon for the airport, but that hope is gone.

At a certain point, it is. Other airports OKC's size aren't losing routes left and right. OKC has lost SFO, Baltimore, I don't know if the Nashville flights have ever even gotten off the ground. No hope on the horizon for new routes. Just kind of sucks. I was hoping the new gates would be a boon for the airport, but that hope is gone.

Oklahoma City is hardly losing nonstop flights left and right and I'm curious about what king of research you did about nonstop flights that other airport may have lost. Can you share that? You are overlooking nonstop flights OKC has gained, such as Austin. Southwest no longer flies nonstop to BWI but does nonstop to DCA, which is more significant. Southwest also has a weekly nonstop flight to BNA. The number of gates at Will Rogers has zero to do with having nonstop flights so I'm not sure what you mean by that. Nonstop flights are strictly a dollars and cents issue for the airlines.

There have been no policy changes that impact an airline’s profitability or operational integrity under new leadership. Any perceived lack of expansion, or lack of attention by the airlines is purely coincidental or strictly forced by market conditions.

The post pandemic travel demand is going to be different than pre, and airline strategies and resources will be different than before as well. This is a very strange time with a lot of unknowns that are only just now being figured out. Route maps won’t look the same. Routes the worked before might not now, and vice versa. It’s an exciting time to watch, but is filled with plenty of frustrations. Airlines are hit with a never before seen problem before of healthy demand, but limited resources. Usually it’s the opposite: lay-offs and flying money losing routes just to keep the payroll moving and aircraft utilized.

United is also cutting service from SFO to STL and DTW, which are 2 cities that are much larger than OKC.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/united-airlines-cutting-12-routes-from-several-major-air-hubs/ar-AA12unu6?ocid=hponeservicefeed&cvid=a4081ec151414766bc50e0b6d929b500

"The Best and Worst US Airports for Cheap International Flights in 2022"

https://scottscheapflights.com/guides/best-and-worst-airports-for-cheap-flights

OKC ranked 5th worst for deals to travel internationally by connection to the larger hubs. The article does mention DFW just being a short drive away, figuratively speaking, for international travel deals.

United is also cutting service from SFO to STL and DTW, which are 2 cities that are much larger than OKC.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/united-airlines-cutting-12-routes-from-several-major-air-hubs/ar-AA12unu6?ocid=hponeservicefeed&cvid=a4081ec151414766bc50e0b6d929b500

This just proves how awful OKC’s new leadership really is. They’re sabotaging STL and DTW’s routes as well

One common theme of all of these are that they are relatively long routes which eat up precious crew resources and aircraft time. I’m surprised it didn’t happen sooner, honestly.

I didn't see it mentioned but United is also is suspending JFK service. This is far from just an OKC reduction.

I didn't see it mentioned but United is also is suspending JFK service. This is far from just an OKC reduction.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/02/business/united-airlines-jfk-airport-service-suspended/index.html

This is in no way related to the new leadership...

UA is a mess. Has 0 to do with OKC's leadership.

"Of all the U.S. airlines, United has been one of the most aggressive about pulling out of unprofitable cities amid a nationwide pilot shortage. The airline has dropped service to over 25 cities, as it looks to balance supply (airplanes and pilots) with demand (ticket sales)."

At a certain point, it is. Other airports OKC's size aren't losing routes left and right. OKC has lost SFO, Baltimore, I don't know if the Nashville flights have ever even gotten off the ground. No hope on the horizon for new routes. Just kind of sucks. I was hoping the new gates would be a boon for the airport, but that hope is gone.

I'm sorry you're so emotional about this, but your emotions aren't matching reality.

I didn't see it mentioned but United is also is suspending JFK service. This is far from just an OKC reduction.

Why would OKC leaders fail us like this

Booming in September! Except for United of course LOL

https://flyokc.com/sites/default/files/September%202022%20Enplanement.pdf

Also, nipping right at September of 2019's heels.
https://flyokc.com/sites/default/files/News/September2019Enplanement.pdf

When the routes start to come back as the aviation industry gets through staffing and plane shortages, we'll set new records once again.

I may be the last person to know this, but it appears Delta now has a non-stop flight from OKC to LGA (New York City). Nice to have some time options to go with AA. Now, if we can only get BOS.......

United is also cutting service from SFO to STL and DTW, which are 2 cities that are much larger than OKC.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/united-airlines-cutting-12-routes-from-several-major-air-hubs/ar-AA12unu6?ocid=hponeservicefeed&cvid=a4081ec151414766bc50e0b6d929b500

Before long, they will be as bad off as Tulsa (I kid).

I may be the last person to know this, but it appears Delta now has a non-stop flight from OKC to LGA (New York City). Nice to have some time options to go with AA. Now, if we can only get BOS.......

Awesome news. Is it something other than a regional jet?

Awesome news. Is it something other than a regional jet?

No, but a nice regional jet--an E jet or "Jungle Jet"

Breeze Airlines is now offering flights to Charleston and Hartford from Tulsa. I don't get why OKC can't get these kinds of flights.

It is crazy to me the lack of momentum OKC's airport has. I am not saying Tulsa is overtaking it, but they are at least getting totally new destinations.

Breeze Airlines is now offering flights to Charleston and Hartford from Tulsa. I don't get why OKC can't get these kinds of flights.

It is crazy to me the lack of momentum OKC's airport has. I am not saying atulsa is overtaking it, but they are at least getting totally new destinations.

Breeze must not be doing that well in OKC. They are down to TPA service only, although on their route map on their website they show an OKC-CHS route as well--either this is coming or they made a mistake.

Breeze must not be doing that well in OKC. They are down to TPA service only, although on their route map on their website they show an OKC-CHS route as well--either this is coming or they made a mistake.

Not even. Breeze stopped the OKC TPA route mid-august.

There is no Breeze service out of OKC.

To be fair about the breeze flights, the Hartford and the Charleston flights are BreezeThru, not nonstop flights. You have to fly thru Nashville to get to Hartford, Orlando to get to Charleston. You just stay on the plane.

So they technically only added MCO as a nonstop flight.

Not even. Breeze stopped the OKC TPA route mid-august.

There is no Breeze service out of OKC.

Really? Any word if this is a seasonal hiatus?

I think Breeze just never really caught on. All the big carriers moved in on their routes and sent them packing. Out of the three original destinations (SAT, MSY, Tampa) I think San Antonio is still standing.

On another note, looking at a quick trip to dallas in November, I noticed that every single direct flight to and from DFW via AA was either a A320 or A321. Pretty impressive. Flights to/from CLT are A320 now. I wish at least one of the directs to/from PHX would get upgraded. I feel that is a pretty competitive route with Southwest. AA really doing well in OKC.

I think Breeze just never really caught on. All the big carriers moved in on their routes and sent them packing. Out of the three original destinations (SAT, MSY, Tampa) I think San Antonio is still standing.

On another note, looking at a quick trip to dallas in November, I noticed that every single direct flight to and from DFW via AA was either a A320 or A321. Pretty impressive. Flights to/from CLT are A320 now. I wish at least one of the directs to/from PHX would get upgraded. I feel that is a pretty competitive route with Southwest. AA really doing well in OKC.
Agreed! AA’s route to PHX really needs upgraded!

Might happen. Some rumors circulating of Mesa dropping out of their CPA with American. That will force some network adjustments.

I think Breeze just never really caught on. All the big carriers moved in on their routes and sent them packing. Out of the three original destinations (SAT, MSY, Tampa) I think San Antonio is still standing.

On another note, looking at a quick trip to dallas in November, I noticed that every single direct flight to and from DFW via AA was either a A320 or A321. Pretty impressive. Flights to/from CLT are A320 now. I wish at least one of the directs to/from PHX would get upgraded. I feel that is a pretty competitive route with Southwest. AA really doing well in OKC.

Would like to see the same with Chicago-O'Hare. I flew that route probably 10 times in the last year with both United and American and every time it was at full capacity.

Breeze seems to be adding and removing routes right and left. They are also adding Orlando-Tulsa back in as well next year according to an advertisement I saw. Not sure why Tulsa seems to be so much more popular for them, but it could just be the mix of competition from TUL vs OKC.

I had a good experience with them on one of the first flights from TUL to TPA, but I've heard they became very spotty afterwards. They kept canceling flights a couple weeks out, leaving people scrambling or having to pay much more for mainline carrier tickets. They do need to establish some reliability. Even Allegiant is more trustworthy in my view at this point.

If you look at Breeze route map it looks like the are focused on getting passengers up and down the eastern seaboard, as well as getting them to west coast. Tulsa and XNA seem to be the outliers.

https://www.flightconnections.com/route-map-breeze-airways-mx

Breeze could be a solution for getting OKC/TUL-SFO if United/Alaska don't step up

I think Breeze just never really caught on. All the big carriers moved in on their routes and sent them packing. Out of the three original destinations (SAT, MSY, Tampa) I think San Antonio is still standing.

On another note, looking at a quick trip to dallas in November, I noticed that every single direct flight to and from DFW via AA was either a A320 or A321. Pretty impressive. Flights to/from CLT are A320 now. I wish at least one of the directs to/from PHX would get upgraded. I feel that is a pretty competitive route with Southwest. AA really doing well in OKC.

Bingo.

It's counter intuitive but OKC > TUL.

Bigs moving in on Breeze OKC routes means the bigs want to protect their OKC market share, and don't really care about Tulsa.

Bingo.

It's counter intuitive but OKC > TUL.

Bigs defending their OKC market share means the bigs want to protect their OKC market share and don't really care about Tulsa.

Yes, thank you Breeze for getting Southwest to start MSY and SAT service. SAT is still going, but I think MSY is seasonal now. And AA announcing AUS got Southwest to start that service as well. Competition is what does it! And we all benefit. I really think there is a bit hole in the route map with nothing to the Bay Area. If AS, UA, or WN jumps in they will have a cash cow on their hands--with all the premium traffic they could get on a route up there. And if DL would just go for it with BOS I think they would find success.

Bingo.

It's counter intuitive but OKC > TUL.

Bigs defending their OKC market share means the bigs want to protect their OKC market share and don't really care about Tulsa.

As a Southwest FF I prefer OKC's schedule but here is a comparison of the recent Breeze non-stops along with Allegiant:
OKC
SAT - daily nonstop Southwest
MSY - no current nonstop
TPA - no current nonstop (will return in spring)
MCO - 2x/week nonstop Southwest
BNA - 1x/week nonstop Southwest
TUL
SAT - no current nonstop
MSY - no current nonstop
TPA - no current nonstop (will return in spring)
MCO - 2x/week nonstop Breeze - continuing service to CHS
BNA - 2x/week nonstop Breeze - continuing service to BDL

Allegiant's nonstops from OKC
LAS - competes with Southwest
VPS (seasonal)
SFB (seasonal)

Allegiant's nonstops from TUL
LAS - competes with Southwest
LAX - competes with AA
AZA
VPS (seasonal)
SFB
PIE
SRQ

As expected, Kansas City picking up more Southwest flights with their new terminal. Really hoping we see them resume OKC and TUL nonstops.

https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article267986057.html?utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR3cJ5F8rKfSrmYiU8TUmIsHccqIAqAR7nd-F_gzKbv4-9uJASrBFp2e3DI

TUL to BNA terminated

https://simpleflying.com/breeze-airways-route-cuts/#Echobox=1667060064

TUL to BNA terminated

https://simpleflying.com/breeze-airways-route-cuts/#Echobox=1667060064

Hopefully Southwest adds this, I think the connections alone would drive enough demand.

It will be interesting to see if Southwest announces a 1 or 2x/weekly MCO flight to compete with Breeze’s new service that starts in the spring. That is a market with price-conscious pleasure travelers so Breeze could work but not if they compete with Southwest and Allegiant to nearby SFB.

Wish they could try a seasonal nonstop to CHS from both TUL and OKC, I think that would work similar to Allegiant’s flights to Florida. The SC/NC coast is high up the list on beach destinations for Oklahoman’s and Charleston also has some business ties with its aerospace industries.

Also interested to see if TPA comes back.

Wish they could try a seasonal nonstop to CHS from both TUL and OKC, I think that would work similar to Allegiant’s flights to Florida. The SC/NC coast is high up the list on beach destinations for Oklahoman’s and Charleston also has some business ties with its aerospace industries.

Again, last time I checked, the Breeze route map on the website shows a OKC-CHS flight. Hope it happens.

Again, last time I checked, the Breeze route map on the website shows a OKC-CHS flight. Hope it happens.

Not seeing it on there anymore

Not seeing it on there anymore

Maybe it was a developer error--whoops, meant TUL instead of OKC!

@Catch22…damn! Y’all woke up and chose violence this morning ;)

https://thepointsguy.global.ssl.fastly.net/us/originals/2022/11/United_Courte-C_1920x1080.jpg?width=1200

https://thepointsguy.com/news/united-boarding-group-c-campaign/?utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR3enYyinXgw4y-g-kK9cprnpd1DCEBqm5Dv9Bq4UoqLIFg1zvNPTwaj7l0

Haha that is awesome. :)

that's beautiful

Can't wait to see the clapback!!!

Good month again. We may finish over 4 millions passengers for 2022.

https://flyokc.com/sites/default/files/News/October%202022%20Enplanement%20Report.pdf

Still waiting for an OKC - Cancun to be announced.

United's numbers are soooooooooooo bad lol

According to the Tampa airport website, OKC-TPA on Breeze resumes 4/15/23.

According to the Tampa airport website, OKC-TPA on Breeze resumes 4/15/23.

TPA has a great airport website. Looks like TPA-TUL also resumes in April. Why don't they fly in the winter when people want to escape the cold?

Hopefully WN brings their TPA-OKC back as well.

Horrible experience at the airport this morning. AA’s conveyer belt to move checked bags from the check in down to be loaded on planes isn’t working. Were probably 200 bags just sitting up there. Headed to California for golfing and a wedding and zero chance my clubs or bag made it on the plane. Looks like will be shopping for clothes for the weekend. And to boot, the only ATM in the airport currently isn’t functioning.

^^^ there’s only one ATM in the entire airport? Wat

Haha was a surprise to me. I asked the lady if there was more than the one I saw and she said no. She could have been wrong of course but my fight was towards the end of the terminal and didn’t see any others. Was hoping for a nice shoe shine on the way out of town!

A truly historic day in US commercial aviation history. Southwest Airlines has had such a catastrophic operational failure there are now less than 25 Southwest aircraft currently in the air over the CONUS. Absolutely mind boggling. I am fascinated to hear what @catch22 will think of this event.

A truly historic day in the US commercial aviation history. Southwest Airlines has had such a catastrophic operational failure there are now less than 25 Southwest aircraft currently in the air over the CONUS. Absolutely mind boggling. I am fascinated to hear what @catch22 will think of this event.

My Southwest flight was cancelled earlier today. At the airport the gate agent, when asked about rebooking, laughed and said it would be better to just drive. Failure indeed, not sure how Southwest fully recovers from this.