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Bits_Of_Real_Panther 05-01-2022, 10:40 AM Bill Gates plane was in okc, then went to Omaha.
It was the Berkshire annual meeting. Wonder who in okc was picked up
https://twitter.com/GatesJets/status/1520189059527811084?t=AdFQv8VaQWKyLk52X5i8Dg&s=19
brianinok 05-05-2022, 07:50 AM https://thepointsguy.com/news/united-airlines-new-routes-international-travel-summer/
It's unfortunate that OKC doesn't have one-stop access to any of this. It's all operated out of EWR and IAD. United drastic pullback in OKC has detriments.
gopokes88 05-05-2022, 08:07 AM United will bring service back next year probably. AA having directs to DFW and MIA is huge for international connections
brianinok 05-05-2022, 09:14 AM United will bring service back next year probably. AA having directs to DFW and MIA is huge for international connectionsI hope you're right. And don't get me wrong. I am very happy with AA's service in OKC. Very, very happy. AA is my preferred airline. With the service levels of DFW and its proximity (plus all the non-stops AA has) how could it not be? But I've used EWR and IAD for international connections several times. And we love the SFO non-stop. Maybe it's a chicken and egg situation. I'm not booking an international trip or an SFO trip on UA until they restore acceptable service in OKC. But maybe they aren't bringing back service until Oklahoma Citians book more flights? But why would I book a connecting flight to SFO through DEN on a CRJ-200 when I could connect in DFW on mainline the whole way? So that's exactly what I did this summer. I'm not booking any European flights this summer but if I did I'd fly AA very likely, at least partially because of the superior service between OKC and the hub transfer airport.
Tcopel90 05-05-2022, 11:07 AM I'd rather pull out my toenails than fly AA again. They dumped me off in Dallas after a 3+ hour mechanical delay (couldn't get the cargo door opened) and said the next available flight back to Stillwater was more than 24 hours away. Offered me a $12 food voucher and said they would put me up in a hotel about 10 miles away from the airport (they said they 'didn't do' hotel stays in the DFW airport itself). Rep at the counter said they couldn't fly me into OKC despite having a flight with available seats leaving DFW in about an hour.
catch22 05-05-2022, 12:02 PM A lot can change in 4 months but September UA schedule as 2x daily mainline (738, 320) to IAH and 1x daily to DEN (739) in addition to the RJ’s.
Jeepnokc 05-05-2022, 12:58 PM I'd rather pull out my toenails than fly AA again. They dumped me off in Dallas after a 3+ hour mechanical delay (couldn't get the cargo door opened) and said the next available flight back to Stillwater was more than 24 hours away. Offered me a $12 food voucher and said they would put me up in a hotel about 10 miles away from the airport (they said they 'didn't do' hotel stays in the DFW airport itself). Rep at the counter said they couldn't fly me into OKC despite having a flight with available seats leaving DFW in about an hour.
My son flew home last month from New Orleans to OKC on AA last month. 540 am flight with 2 hour layover in DFW. Called at 4 am and said flight delayed till 230 pm and that he would have to overnight in Dallas. We finally managed to get him home the same day but took New Orleans to Charlotte to Chicago to OKC and 12 hours.
s00nr1 05-05-2022, 09:50 PM A lot can change in 4 months but September UA schedule as 2x daily mainline (738, 320) to IAH and 1x daily to DEN (739) in addition to the RJ’s.
Welcome progress. The high volume of E45s to both IAH and DEN has been painful.
Richard at Remax 05-06-2022, 10:33 AM I think everyone needs to take deep breaths if traveling this summer. I think everyone is overwhelmed on all sides and need to practice patience. I have 6 trips via AA (One Alaska) starting next week thru Sept (DFW, GRR, PNS, MHT, EGE, SEA) so I'll be able to report back after switching my allegiances from SWA. Fingers crossed all goes well.
gopokes88 05-06-2022, 11:58 AM AA is running fine, seems like every time i fly out of Dallas it gets hit by weather so far this year. Nothing they can do about that.
Paule4ou 05-06-2022, 12:13 PM AA is running fine, seems like every time i fly out of Dallas it gets hit by weather so far this year. Nothing they can do about that.
Agreed - I've had ~40 flights out of OKC this year alone so far on AA. I've had 'trouble' one time (and that was weather related) that forced me to overnight near DFW. AA has their act together pretty well right now compared to others.
PoliSciGuy 05-06-2022, 03:19 PM OKC-Detroit on Delta, which was axed in April 2020 and slated to come back this fall, is no longer coming back.
https://thepointsguy.com/news/delta-air-lines-cuts-domestic-routes-boston-detroit/
Jersey Boss 05-06-2022, 03:34 PM I flew to Denver and Salt Lake City earlier this month and for some reason the local airport was the only one not offering newspapers for sale. Strange.
BG918 05-06-2022, 07:03 PM OKC-Detroit on Delta, which was axed in April 2020 and slated to come back this fall, is no longer coming back.
https://thepointsguy.com/news/delta-air-lines-cuts-domestic-routes-boston-detroit/
Delta ended TUL-DTW as well. And TUL-MSP. Hope both come back especially MSP.
Richard at Remax 05-06-2022, 08:38 PM Glad Delta got all those new gates
s00nr1 05-08-2022, 09:43 PM OKC-Detroit on Delta, which was axed in April 2020 and slated to come back this fall, is no longer coming back.
https://thepointsguy.com/news/delta-air-lines-cuts-domestic-routes-boston-detroit/
Those shiny new gates sure are nice though.
amocore 05-10-2022, 12:21 PM Decent month of April.
After a weird March where Delta had 66k passenger and United only 22k, we are back to normal. 42k for Delta and 44k for UA.
https://flyokc.com/sites/default/files/News/April%202022%20Enplanement.pdf
brianinok 05-11-2022, 08:44 AM Decent month of April.
After a weird March where Delta had 66k passenger and United only 22k, we are back to normal. 42k for Delta and 44k for UA.
https://flyokc.com/sites/default/files/News/April%202022%20Enplanement.pdfMarch has spring break. I don't think it's uncommon for it to be higher than April. Just looking at April 2019:
AA had 99k; 96k now.
Delta had 53k; 43k now.
SW had 118k; 107k now.
UA had 63k; 45k now.
Total was 352k; 305k now.
mugofbeer 05-11-2022, 07:29 PM I flew to Denver and Salt Lake City earlier this month and for some reason the local airport was the only one not offering newspapers for sale. Strange.
:) The Denver newspaper isn't worth the $ anymore. Alden Global Capital is a hedge fund that bought it a few years ago and, like the Oklahoman, completely gutted the paper. I haven't touched a newspaper in probably 5 years. Online is the reality.
PoliSciGuy 05-14-2022, 08:02 AM Interesting new grant program that aims to draw more direct flights to Oklahoma airports https://www.news9.com/story/627e5ddef636730727f9c77d/new-state-law-provides-ways-to-bring-more-direct-flights-to-oklahoma-airports?fbclid=IwAR0L2Y55Paj6MOG5vrdHsisDJ4AuXKEW N-Ptn7wjgi1BlKqOdsG7RHeSW-I
kukblue1 05-14-2022, 11:24 AM What is going to happen with ticket prices? It's crazy expensive to fly this summer. Which airlines take the biggest hit out of OKC?
Plutonic Panda 05-14-2022, 03:38 PM Yeah I was going book a flight to OKC absolutely stupid prices. I’ll drive instead.
gopokes88 05-15-2022, 04:44 PM It’s everywhere. $105 barrel of oil will do that.
FYI have a friend that trades and supplies jet fuel to the major airlines. Expect a ton of cancellations this summer due to shortages.
kukblue1 05-15-2022, 10:28 PM So be interesting to see what happens. I would think June, July, Aug numbers for people flying might be ok as they booked those flights months ago it will be the fall season I think that will take a big hit. I priced some things for Aug, Sept, Oct and nope it's crazy high.
sooner333 05-20-2022, 07:02 PM I noticed Breeze removed the ability to book the OKC-Nashville flight and the ability to book the OKC-Tampa flight ends on 9/3/22. Other city pairs are bookable to TPA into next year (Tulsa also ends 9/3/22, however)
BG918 05-20-2022, 09:25 PM I noticed Breeze removed the ability to book the OKC-Nashville flight and the ability to book the OKC-Tampa flight ends on 9/3/22. Other city pairs are bookable to TPA into next year (Tulsa also ends 9/3/22, however)
Isn’t the Tampa flight seasonal (summer only)?
sooner333 05-21-2022, 08:34 AM Isn’t the Tampa flight seasonal (summer only)?
I thought the airline started service last fall, so I think it was year round.
gopokes88 05-27-2022, 01:20 PM TUL getting LGA service on AA
https://thepointsguy.com/news/american-airlines-northeast-alliance-expansion/
BG918 05-27-2022, 01:30 PM TUL getting LGA service on AA
https://thepointsguy.com/news/american-airlines-northeast-alliance-expansion/
I know this was high on the wish list. SEA on Alaska would probably be the next highest priority along with SFO. Really wish United would restart IAD for international connections. Selfishly as a Southwest FF I hope to see service from TUL to BWI, BNA and ATL for eastern connections
chssooner 05-27-2022, 02:03 PM Man, all momentum OKC had with the new gates is gone. Down to nothing. Pathetic how this city bumbled the expansion, and now the airport is losing more routes than gaining.
Celebrator 05-27-2022, 03:57 PM Man, all momentum OKC had with the new gates is gone. Down to nothing. Pathetic how this city bumbled the expansion, and now the airport is losing more routes than gaining.
I don't understand why you think this? Nothing? Please explain. Sure some routes have not come back since the peak of the pandemic, but otherwise we have done pretty well here. Getting a brand new airline in Breeze, for starters, is pretty great. They start BNA service next week! Can we keep them, is a whole other question, but the fact we were one of their first cities is pretty cool. LGA on both AA and DL (starts in less than two weeks) are good gets, Southwest expanding service with AUS, SAT, MSY, TPA, I mean, we are in pretty good shape. "Down to nothing" (?)
BG918 05-27-2022, 04:29 PM I don't understand why you think this? Nothing? Please explain. Sure some routes have not come back since the peak of the pandemic, but otherwise we have done pretty well here. Getting a brand new airline in Breeze, for starters, is pretty great. They start BNA service next week! Can we keep them, is a whole other question, but the fact we were one of their first cities is pretty cool. LGA on both AA and DL (starts in less than two weeks) are good gets, Southwest expanding service with AUS, SAT, MSY, TPA, I mean, we are in pretty good shape. "Down to nothing" (?)
Yeah I would say OKC is pretty right-sized as far as service. Delta is not adding back DTW but is expanding to LGA and keeping existing service to ATL and SLC. AA serves all of its hubs except PHL. United has not added back SFO, IAD and EWR but hopefully will at some point. Southwest has added several routes and hopefully brings back BWI. I think a good wish list for OKC would be for the pre-COVID flights to all come back (Delta to DTW, United to SFO, IAD and EWR and Southwest to BWI) and for Delta to add BOS, either Southwest or Allegiant add SAN and Breeze add CHS. An international connection to CUN would be great to see as well, either on Allegiant or Frontier.
The list is similar for TUL with regard to pre-COVID flights returning. All of the cuts in OKC also happened to TUL, and MSP hasn't yet returned on Delta. Getting Alaska and daily nonstop service to Seattle would be a huge get for TUL.
chssooner 05-27-2022, 04:55 PM I don't understand why you think this? Nothing? Please explain. Sure some routes have not come back since the peak of the pandemic, but otherwise we have done pretty well here. Getting a brand new airline in Breeze, for starters, is pretty great. They start BNA service next week! Can we keep them, is a whole other question, but the fact we were one of their first cities is pretty cool. LGA on both AA and DL (starts in less than two weeks) are good gets, Southwest expanding service with AUS, SAT, MSY, TPA, I mean, we are in pretty good shape. "Down to nothing" (?)
Because United is downsizing, and basically on life support at OKC. SWA lost Baltimore, Delta lost Detroit. Expanded service is nice, yes, but OKC needs new destinations and mainline flights (JFK, SFO, PDX, BOS, etc). They also need to get Detroit back, as well (it is a major hub, and OKC needs to have a flight to basically every hub in America, given their size and location). And getting LAX and BOS, and keeping DTW should have been requirements for Delta getting those gates. Just seems OKC dropped the ball, and the airport is stagnant, not growing. Just my opinion.
Not complaining about the routes OKC has currently, but they need to be doing more.
Richard at Remax 05-27-2022, 05:31 PM I feel like for the most part the airport is pretty proactive in getting business and routes. Routes come and go and I'm pretty confident there are people smarter than me making those decisions. I think OKC if pretty connected to most of the country and I would bet that some of the routes we have lost will come back soon. I think the only thing they did wrong was moving delta to the new gates. Due to traffic count they should have either given them to SWA or AA. A flight to Cancun would be cool too.
midtownokcer 05-31-2022, 02:29 PM Flying to Seoul in July. A PCR or RAT is needed to enter Korea, with the PCR having to be done within the last 48 hrs and the RAT 24 hours. Does WRWA offer any testing on site? I'm struggling to find testing centers in OKC that do it over the weekend (my flight leaves OKC at 8am on a Monday). I can't find any information on flyokc.com. I noticed Tulsa has testing set up at their airport.
shawnw 05-31-2022, 02:56 PM At my work (Project 3810) we have a closed-door pharmacy that has their own testing equipment and so does lots of travel related testing with 2-hour turnaround.
Visit td.care (https://td.care) to book.
Edit: Not seeing any weekend dates on their calendar, but I bet if you called and explained they'd work with you. I know for a fact they worked with some folks that work in the building for a trip they were taking.
midtownokcer 05-31-2022, 03:01 PM At my work (Project 3810) we have a closed-door pharmacy that has their own testing equipment and so does lots of travel related testing with 2-hour turnaround.
Visit td.care (https://td.care) to book.
Edit: Not seeing any weekend dates on their calendar, but I bet if you called and explained they'd work with you. I know for a fact they worked with some folks that work in the building for a trip they were taking.
Thank you so much! :)
shawnw 05-31-2022, 04:48 PM Thank you so much! :)
You're welcome I hope it works out for you
Celebrator 05-31-2022, 05:26 PM Because United is downsizing, and basically on life support at OKC. SWA lost Baltimore, Delta lost Detroit. Expanded service is nice, yes, but OKC needs new destinations and mainline flights (JFK, SFO, PDX, BOS, etc). They also need to get Detroit back, as well (it is a major hub, and OKC needs to have a flight to basically every hub in America, given their size and location). And getting LAX and BOS, and keeping DTW should have been requirements for Delta getting those gates. Just seems OKC dropped the ball, and the airport is stagnant, not growing. Just my opinion.
Not complaining about the routes OKC has currently, but they need to be doing more.
I agree that the airport should have asked more of DL to get those gates too, I hear you there. Would love to see all hubs have service to OKC given its location mid-country and its market size. All of the ones mentioned above would be nice to have. Those should be priorities for the airport to get.
HOT ROD 06-02-2022, 07:47 PM OKC used to have service to all hubs prior to the pandemic. I don't think this will be difficult to return once the market matures, we may just ahve to wait for airlines to rebuild their int'l networks (which is happening).
I totally agree about the new gates, why on heaven's earth does OKC do these type of things (see Omni as yet another example IMO). We should have given those gates to American or Southwest - airlines that are busy and expanding in OKC without incentive. Yet we gave to Delta, the 4th biggest airline. ..? And with no conditions?? Should have at the very least demanded all Delta hubs, we have all AA hubs except PHL - which likely will return once it's int'l is rebuilt.
Am I missing something OKC? Is Delta paying a premium to sit on those new gates?
amocore 06-10-2022, 09:52 AM The best news in a while :
https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/u-s-to-drop-covid-testing-for-incoming-international-air-travelers/ar-AAYjbA5?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=3cc5bda0c00b4a5da20f77f9d65d6528
It was a hassle to deal with this.
OkiePoke 06-10-2022, 10:18 AM The best news in a while :
https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/u-s-to-drop-covid-testing-for-incoming-international-air-travelers/ar-AAYjbA5?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=3cc5bda0c00b4a5da20f77f9d65d6528
It was a hassle to deal with this.
Awesome news! I am traveling internationally later this month and was dreading trying to get tested prior to departure.
Total hassle. I flew from Barcelona to New York last month and taking a Covid test in Spain was not fun.
Bellaboo 06-11-2022, 08:33 AM The best news in a while :
https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/u-s-to-drop-covid-testing-for-incoming-international-air-travelers/ar-AAYjbA5?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=3cc5bda0c00b4a5da20f77f9d65d6528
It was a hassle to deal with this.
We just got back from a 3 week vacation to Europe, Asia and Africa. Had to get tested 3 times on this trip and was negative all 3 times for both of us. Rome was 20 euro and Venice was 35 euro each. Athens was 55 euro but was waived due to being on a cruise ship. The testing at both airports was fast and efficient. But if we'd been coming back 3 days later than we did the last test wouldn't have been required.
Jeepnokc 06-11-2022, 08:46 AM We just got back from a 3 week vacation to Europe, Asia and Africa. Had to get tested 3 times on this trip and was negative all 3 times for both of us. Rome was 20 euro and Venice was 35 euro each. Athens was 55 euro but was waived due to being on a cruise ship. The testing at both airports was fast and efficient. But if we'd been coming back 3 days later than we did the last test wouldn't have been required.
I got back Monday from 3 weeks hitting Germany, Slovakia, Czech, Hungary and Scotland. Only had to show negative when getting there and had to test to come home. We did the online test where you self administered from kit while you face time the company. No problem at all and super easy
shartel_ave 06-12-2022, 04:03 PM While in the Air Force I did many things, this was my HaLo helmet and mask that I built myself while I was in the 66th combat search and rescue squadron at nellis AFB Nevada in Las Vegas
I could easily sell it for $500+ or donate it to a military museum but can’t find an AF museum
I need to clean it up
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whatitis 06-13-2022, 07:27 AM Total hassle. I flew from Barcelona to New York last month and taking a Covid test in Spain was not fun.
I was in Greece last summer. With 2 small children. We got to the airport nearly 4 hours before the flight and got to the plane as they were about to close the doors.
amocore 06-13-2022, 10:01 AM Alone it was manageable but for a family trip, it was a stressful to know you could be stuck abroad. It will boost international travel for sure.
Talking about numbers :
https://flyokc.com/sites/default/files/News/May%202022%20Enplanement.pdf
good month
gopokes88 06-13-2022, 11:59 AM Looks like the United bleed finally stopped. Love to see Alaska so strong, hopefully more routes get added down the road.
Richard at Remax 06-27-2022, 01:45 PM Did AA stop their OKC-MIA route? Not seeing any of the direct flights in late Sept
Downwind17 06-27-2022, 05:30 PM Did AA stop their OKC-MIA route? Not seeing any of the direct flights in late Sept
They may be taking a respite during a period of routinely lighter bookings, due to the return of school and the height of hurricane season. The nonstop appears again starting November 1. This route has been a great performer for them and as cruises become more popular post-COVID, it's doubtful it will ever go away (fingers crossed).
BG918 06-27-2022, 05:49 PM They may be taking a respite during a period of routinely lighter bookings, due to the return of school and the height of hurricane season. The nonstop appears again starting November 1. This route has been a great performer for them and as cruises become more popular post-COVID, it's doubtful it will ever go away (fingers crossed).
Cruises are a big driver on this route. Looks like it goes back to non-stop daily. TUL-MIA is currently Saturday-only, hoping frequency increases later in the year as it's the only non-stop to South Florida (and tons of Caribbean/Latin American connections)
Richard at Remax 06-27-2022, 10:43 PM Ok cool. That 5am departure is a downer though.
Celebrator 06-27-2022, 11:40 PM Ok cool. That 5am departure is a downer though.
0 Dark 30 does stink, but the bright side is, these days, this flight probably operates on time most of the time. That's the advantage of these crack of dawn departures.
catch22 06-28-2022, 12:00 AM Eastbound is always tough for airline scheduling. Time zones east are a killer for employee productivity and aircraft utilization. This usually results in very early departures eastbound, and makes red eye flights from the west coast timetable feasible. But they suck for humans. Going west can leave later and still arrive early enough to squeeze an extra few hours out of an airplane.
Richard at Remax 06-28-2022, 10:33 AM Yeah, getting up that early doesn't even register to me. If that's the only direct option I might as well just fly in the night before and get a good nights sleep. Little surprised the return is so late though, considering most cruise ships get back into port fairly early in the morning. Makes sense to have it that late if you are connecting back from the Caribbean tho.
damonsmuz 06-29-2022, 11:10 AM I flew United mainline last night from Houston to OKC(A320). It was full. I also received a notification for a flight to Denver later this summer that was changed from a -175 to a 737-900 . Talk about an upguage in equipment!
Also, just randomly poking around. How long has Southwest been running a 530am flight from Denver to OKC ?
Seems extremely early for a flight leg like that.
brianinok 06-29-2022, 01:39 PM I flew United mainline last night from Houston to OKC(A320). It was full. I also received a notification for a flight to Denver later this summer that was changed from a -175 to a 737-900 . Talk about an upguage in equipment!
Also, just randomly poking around. How long has Southwest been running a 530am flight from Denver to OKC ?
Seems extremely early for a flight leg like that.That's good. I wish for once United would be CONSISTENT. I'm glad we decided to drive to Denver this weekend. Nothing but CRJ-200 and ERJ-145s as far as the eye can see. Ugh. Our next trip up there later this year it doesn't work for us to drive so I'm trying to decide if I should trust the E-175s currently in the schedule (which I'd be perfectly happy with) or fly Cattlewest, er, Southwest.
amocore 06-30-2022, 05:02 PM That's good. I wish for once United would be CONSISTENT. I'm glad we decided to drive to Denver this weekend. Nothing but CRJ-200 and ERJ-145s as far as the eye can see. Ugh. Our next trip up there later this year it doesn't work for us to drive so I'm trying to decide if I should trust the E-175s currently in the schedule (which I'd be perfectly happy with) or fly Cattlewest, er, Southwest.
The Embraer E 170\5 and 190\5 were just such nice treat when they arrived to replace the CRJ and ERJ 145. So roomier.
Just went to NoLa last week and was surprised to have an A 321, full or close to, on my DFW flight from OKC. It seems more common that I think but a first out of OKC for me. Surely the biggest passenger plane working in OKC.
gopokes88 06-30-2022, 05:03 PM The Embraer E 170\5 and 190\5 were just such nice treat when they arrived to replace the CRJ and ERJ 145. So roomier.
Just went to NoLa last week and was surprised to have an A 321, full or close to, on my DFW flight from OKC. It seems more common that I think but a first out of OKC for me. Surely the biggest passenger plane working in OKC.
the 8 (or is it 9?) dailies to DFW on AA making getting anywhere in the country pretty easy if a direct isn't available. A huge asset.
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