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brianinok
03-08-2022, 07:36 AM
Per TPG, OKC and Tulsa picking up new flights to Nashville on Breeze Airways. OKC flights will be on Mondays and Fridays and begin June 3.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/breeze-airways-new-cities-airbus-a220-transcons/That's great. I typically stick to the established and/or legacy carriers. But you have to respect what Neeleman does. I would definitely consider flying Breeze if I was going to one of the destinations they flew to from OKC. I wish they would add Jacksonville as we go like to go to Amelia Island (and would go more if there were non-stop flights) and Charleston. But I bet we use the Tampa flight sooner rather than later. Since it's stuck around I hope we can count on it.

s00nr1
03-08-2022, 07:41 AM
Per TPG, OKC and Tulsa picking up new flights to Nashville on Breeze Airways. OKC flights will be on Mondays and Fridays and begin June 3.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/breeze-airways-new-cities-airbus-a220-transcons/

And using A220 aircraft no less. Awesome news.

BoulderSooner
03-08-2022, 07:52 AM
Per TPG, OKC and Tulsa picking up new flights to Nashville on Breeze Airways. OKC flights will be on Mondays and Fridays and begin June 3.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/breeze-airways-new-cities-airbus-a220-transcons/

this is already bookable on the Breeze website .. as low as 140 round trip the opening weekend .. (june)

whatitis
03-08-2022, 08:36 AM
Anyone fly Allegiant lately out of OKC. Thinking of using them to Vegas but I know they have had some major issues in the past. Have they cleaned thing up. Don't hear about them in the news as much as you did a few years ago.

We did OKC to Orlando with Allegiant in December and didn't have any problems.

amocore
03-08-2022, 08:53 AM
The flights schedule makes it totally work for a three day weekend. Great. I also think Southwest still flies to Nashville on Saturday.

For Allegiant, they clean their act. No more old MD and B757 and bad stories. After avoiding them for years, although I flew all the others airlines, I ll give them a try soon with an Orlando to OKC in 10 days.

Richard at Remax
03-08-2022, 09:05 AM
Anyone fly Allegiant lately out of OKC. Thinking of using them to Vegas but I know they have had some major issues in the past. Have they cleaned thing up. Don't hear about them in the news as much as you did a few years ago.

I've actually flew them a few times to Vegas recently and never had any issues. I've never flown them back due to better flight schedule from SWA. It's very bare bones so don't expect wifi or any free stuff.

Richard at Remax
03-08-2022, 09:05 AM
Also nice to see Breeze stick with it. I wish they wouldn't have given up on MSY so soon tho.

Pete
03-08-2022, 10:28 AM
Press release:

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Breeze Airways Announces Nonstop Service to Nashville International Airport

OKLAHOMA CITY, March 8, 2022 – Breeze Airways announced today that it will begin nonstop service from Oklahoma City’s Will Rogers World Airport to Nashville International Airport in Nashville, TN (BNA) beginning June 3, 2022, on their new Airbus A220 aircraft for $99 one-way.

“This is great news for Oklahoma City,” says Jeff Mulder, Airports Director. “Nashville is a popular destination for both leisure and business travelers. We appreciate Breeze’s commitment to our community by adding this great market for our passengers.”

Breeze has ordered 80 brand new Airbus A220-300 aircraft which will feature 126 seats, including 36 First Class seats in a two-by-two configuration, 10 Extra Legroom seats, and 80 Standard Economy seats in a two-by-three configuration,” said Breeze’s Founder and CEO David Neeleman. “With the A220, Breeze is giving our Guests the widest cabin, highest ceiling, largest windows, and the biggest overhead stowage in this class, while still managing to burn 25% less fuel, with half the noise footprint of past generations.”

The new Nashville service will operate seasonally this summer starting June 3. Guests may choose from three one-way price bundles that are offered as ‘Nice’, ‘Nicer’, and ‘Nicest’ service. Guests may even choose a Nice or Nicer bundle and buy an upgrade to a First Class seat.

Flights go on sale Tuesday, March 8 and may be booked through www.flybreeze.com.

LocoAko
03-08-2022, 10:51 AM
I was wondering where the EWR flight went. Was planning a trip to NJ and didn't want to have to fly into LGA via AA.

Ugh. So now Southwest doesn't fly to EWR at all and United has dropped its directs from OKC<-->EWR? Thumbs down.

BG918
03-08-2022, 03:18 PM
Really interested to see how Breeze performs. This would be a great option with the A220 for connecting OKC/TUL to MSY (tried last year before it ended) and CHS, in addition to TPA and now BNA.

https://thepointsguy.global.ssl.fastly.net/us/originals/2022/03/Breeze-Airways-Route-Map-Summer-2022.jpg?width=700&dpr=2&auto=webp

s00nr1
03-14-2022, 12:28 PM
I went ahead and vented to United a bit a couple weeks ago when they announced their latest round of service reductions and thought I'd share their (likely canned) response:


Hi Lance,

Reducing service in a city is never an easy decision, and I can understand your disappointment.

We want to deliver the service and schedules that you need, but sometimes there are operational limitations. Please know that we reevaluate our routes often, and I've shared your feedback with our Network Planning team.

Thank you for your continued loyalty, as a valued MileagePlus Elite member, and we look forward to welcoming you on board for your next getaway.

Regards,

Brenda
Customer Care

kukblue1
03-14-2022, 02:51 PM
I've actually flew them a few times to Vegas recently and never had any issues. I've never flown them back due to better flight schedule from SWA. It's very bare bones so don't expect wifi or any free stuff.

Thanks for letting me know. I had an offer I couldn't refuse from MGM. Not sure how I got an offer for 4 free nights with No resort fees but I'll take it. I was checking flight first week of May and was able to book Allegiant for $73 one way for two. Than a one-way ticket back for $73. I had a coupon code and someone said to book one-way flights so I could use the code twice. So that is how I booked it. Coupon was for $25 off. So round trip for 2 of us with picking my seats and one carry on $146 total. $73 each. I could of done it for $82 round trip for 2 or $41 each if i let them choose my seats and no bag but since I was saying money already with the coupon I decided to use coupon money to reserve my seats and take a carry on. It it worth it to reserve seats on Allegiant. I wasn't sure how full the flight would be or how their seating works. I guess you get your seats when you check in?

amocore
03-14-2022, 02:58 PM
United is back full force on the ERJ 145. A bit painful.

Anyway:
https://flyokc.com/sites/default/files/22-08%20February%20Enplanement%20Email.pdf

Pete
03-15-2022, 09:51 AM
Press release from the airport:

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Delta Announces Nonstop Service to New York’s LaGuardia Airport

OKLAHOMA CITY, March 15, 2022 – Delta Airlines announced today that it will begin nonstop service from Oklahoma City’s Will Rogers World Airport to New York City’s LaGuardia Airport (LGA) beginning June 6, 2022. The new LaGuardia service will operate once daily.

“This is great news for Oklahoma City,” says Jeff Mulder, airports director. “New York LaGuardia has been a much sought-after destination; one that will greatly enhance the air service options for our leisure and business travelers. We appreciate Delta’s commitment to our community.”

With the addition of New York LaGuardia, Delta’s nonstop destinations from WRWA include Atlanta, Minneapolis, and Salt Lake City.

Flights are on sale now and can be booked at Delta.com.

HangryHippo
03-15-2022, 10:05 AM
Very nice!

BG918
03-15-2022, 10:30 AM
That's great to see AA and Delta to LGA. Looks like they leave around the same time early in the morning and both return late at night.

Jeepnokc
03-15-2022, 10:31 AM
Great news. Wife bought me Billy Joel Madison Square Garden tickets for August so will book this. Will be nice not to have to go through ATL

Celebrator
03-15-2022, 11:30 AM
C'mon BOS!

HangryHippo
03-15-2022, 12:11 PM
C'mon BOS!
And LAX!

s00nr1
03-15-2022, 01:23 PM
Delta paying the city back for getting the new gates.

Your move United....

sooner333
03-15-2022, 03:50 PM
Has anyone flown on Breeze? I am considering taking it to Tampa for a vacation, but I’ve also heard some bad stories about cancellations. I wouldn’t want to lose half of our trip (or pay last minute fare on another airline to fly the family there). It may be worth a little more money and a connection to fly another carrier with a more robust schedule.

s00nr1
03-15-2022, 04:07 PM
Has anyone flown on Breeze? I am considering taking it to Tampa for a vacation, but I’ve also heard some bad stories about cancellations. I wouldn’t want to lose half of our trip (or pay last minute fare on another airline to fly the family there). It may be worth a little more money and a connection to fly another carrier with a more robust schedule.

I have once and everything went very smoothly. I would highly recommend it.

shavethewhales
03-15-2022, 05:08 PM
I flew once on Breeze and really enjoyed it. Granted, this was last summer during their introductory period so everything was fresh and being closely watched by management. Hopefully the quality hasn't fallen off too badly yet. Tampa seems to be a popular route/destination for them from Oklahoma so I doubt that one would get cancelled. They do seem to have a problem of announcing routes, not getting enough sales, and then dropping the flights. I've noticed most of the budget airlines are getting worse about this.

Celebrator
03-15-2022, 05:11 PM
And LAX!

But we already have LAX...on AA, granted, and not DL, but we have nothing to BOS.

Jeepnokc
03-15-2022, 08:40 PM
Has anyone flown on Breeze? I am considering taking it to Tampa for a vacation, but I’ve also heard some bad stories about cancellations. I wouldn’t want to lose half of our trip (or pay last minute fare on another airline to fly the family there). It may be worth a little more money and a connection to fly another carrier with a more robust schedule.

My son flew the last MSY-OKC flight Breeze did He said the plane was new and experienced no issues.

gopokes88
03-16-2022, 11:27 AM
Delta paying the city back for getting the new gates.

Your move United....

They're just the worst for planes and schedule. AA is just miles ahead of everyone right now.

damonsmuz
03-16-2022, 05:09 PM
It looks like DL and AA are trying to capitalize on United Airlines and their decrease in service . United is basically being hurt by Skywest and their lack of pilots which is why they are downsizing OKC service.

OKC isn't the only city that is being hurt by the Skywest pilot shortage.

HangryHippo
04-05-2022, 05:14 PM
Not much, if any, impact to OKC but The Points Guy is reporting JetBlue is making a bid for Spirit.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/jetblue-spirit-bid/

Richard at Remax
04-06-2022, 11:49 AM
It'd be awesome to get Jetblue to Boston. Esp since they are a partner with AA

amocore
04-11-2022, 11:57 AM
Enplanement report.
https://flyokc.com/sites/default/files/March%202022%20Enplanement.pdf

SWA and AA are still fighting each other for the biggest carrier out of OKC. SWA won in March.

United is pulling out of the OKC Market. Usually their numbers and Delta are close to each other but now UA does 1\3 of Delta and 1\5 of SWA.

Richard at Remax
04-11-2022, 01:10 PM
When I was at the airport last there were a handful of gates that didn't have any affiliation. I'm pretty sure they were the old delta gates of 22, 20, and 24. I think 1 is empty too but by design. Does anyone know if they are going to shift some stuff around? It would make sense for SWA to absorb at a minimum of gate 20.

gopokes88
04-11-2022, 01:23 PM
Enplanement report.
https://flyokc.com/sites/default/files/March%202022%20Enplanement.pdf

SWA and AA are still fighting each other for the biggest carrier out of OKC. SWA won in March.

United is pulling out of the OKC Market. Usually their numbers and Delta are close to each other but now UA does 1\3 of Delta and 1\5 of SWA.

United as a whole is chaos right now. SkyWest is a mess

LakeEffect
04-11-2022, 01:42 PM
Now is the time for Delta to add a couple daily LAX flights... (I say selfishly). :)

s00nr1
04-12-2022, 09:20 AM
Enplanement report.
https://flyokc.com/sites/default/files/March%202022%20Enplanement.pdf

SWA and AA are still fighting each other for the biggest carrier out of OKC. SWA won in March.

United is pulling out of the OKC Market. Usually their numbers and Delta are close to each other but now UA does 1\3 of Delta and 1\5 of SWA.

Are those United numbers (2022 vs 2021) correct? If so, holy cow, that's bad. They've had my loyalty for the past five years but I guess it really is time to move elsewhere -- will probably have to be AA damnit.

gopokes88
04-12-2022, 12:32 PM
Are those United numbers (2022 vs 2021) correct? If so, holy cow, that's bad. They've had my loyalty for the past five years but I guess it really is time to move elsewhere -- will probably have to be AA damnit.

AA has been pretty not bad as of late

Richard at Remax
04-12-2022, 12:53 PM
AA has been pretty not bad as of late

Agreed. I've switched my loyalty to them after over a decade of being a southwest apologist. I will still use SWA to most likely Vegas. However, so many doors have been opened switching to AA. I had no idea the amount of places they fly to. Plus with solid partner airline network, esp Alaska, I'm kicking myself for not switching sooner. SWA has jacked with their flight schedules so much out of OKC, it's either leave at dark thirty or late at night for the good direct flights. Plus, I have found they def aren't the cheapest anymore.

amocore
04-12-2022, 02:40 PM
United makes it very hard to fly with. There are no more transpacific connection through LA or SF or transatlantic through Dulles. Through Chicago the schedule is not good.

Then for regional flights like Denver and Houston, they use a lot of CRJ 200 and ERJ 145. A throwback from 15 years ago when I moved here.

BG918
04-12-2022, 02:55 PM
United makes it very hard to fly with. There are no more transpacific connection through LA or SF or transatlantic through Dulles. Through Chicago the schedule is not good.

Then for regional flights like Denver and Houston, they re use a lot of CRJ 200 and ERJ 145. A throwback from 15 years ago when I moved here.

Fly WN and UA pretty much exclusively but thinking about switching to WN/AA. Between those two you are pretty well-covered.

gopokes88
04-12-2022, 03:22 PM
Agreed. I've switched my loyalty to them after over a decade of being a southwest apologist. I will still use SWA to most likely Vegas. However, so many doors have been opened switching to AA. I had no idea the amount of places they fly to. Plus with solid partner airline network, esp Alaska, I'm kicking myself for not switching sooner. SWA has jacked with their flight schedules so much out of OKC, it's either leave at dark thirty or late at night for the good direct flights. Plus, I have found they def aren't the cheapest anymore.

Pulling out of DAL killed my ability to fly SWA.

Don't forget AA has the JetBlue partnership in the NE too.

PhiAlpha
04-13-2022, 01:51 PM
Pulling out of DAL killed my ability to fly SWA.

Don't forget AA has the JetBlue partnership in the NE too.

That's made me appreciate flying out of Tulsa (at least when it comes to SWA).

BG918
04-13-2022, 02:12 PM
That's made me appreciate flying out of Tulsa (at least when it comes to SWA).

Me too, I use DAL quite a bit. Wish TUL had BNA and ATL, and resume BWI, on Southwest for eastern connections.

Wonder if Southwest would add back OKC and TUL from MCI after their new terminal is finished. That would be a good regional connection and offer additional north and eastward connecting opportunities.

brianinok
04-13-2022, 04:24 PM
March Enplanement/Deplanement per gate:

American - 99k - 3 gates - 1 gate per 33k passengers
Delta - 67k - 3 gates - 1 gate per 22k passengers
Southwest - 109k - 3 gates - 1 gate per 36k passengers
United - 24k - 5 gates - 1 gate per 5k passengers

United is pretty laughable right now. They could literally make due with 1 gate depending on schedule. They have 5 gates and only 3 destinations.

gopokes88
04-13-2022, 04:25 PM
Me too, I use DAL quite a bit. Wish TUL had BNA and ATL, and resume BWI, on Southwest for eastern connections.

Wonder if Southwest would add back OKC and TUL from MCI after their new terminal is finished. That would be a good regional connection and offer additional north and eastward connecting opportunities.

That's the whole reason we lost DAL though. Not enough point to point travelers.

gopokes88
04-13-2022, 04:26 PM
March Enplanement/Deplanement per gate:

American - 99k - 3 gates - 1 gate per 33k passengers
Delta - 67k - 3 gates - 1 gate per 22k passengers
Southwest - 109k - 3 gates - 1 gate per 36k passengers
United - 24k - 5 gates - 1 gate per 5k passengers

United is pretty laughable right now. They could literally make due with 1 gate depending on schedule. They have 5 gates and only 3 destinations.

I'd almost expect United to shrink down to 3 gates and get moved to the old Delta gates. AA picks up 2 more gates. They seem pretty intent on growing their OKC presence. City can always cut them a pretty sweet deal.

gopokes88
04-14-2022, 02:55 PM
AA adding 2200 pilots for 2023 demand. I would expect okc to see at least a few additional flights/upgraded aircraft as a result, maybe even a new destination.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-04-14/american-airlines-clashes-with-union-over-training-new-pilots?srnd=premium&sref=VEjJXJjm

no1cub17
04-17-2022, 09:47 AM
March Enplanement/Deplanement per gate:

American - 99k - 3 gates - 1 gate per 33k passengers
Delta - 67k - 3 gates - 1 gate per 22k passengers
Southwest - 109k - 3 gates - 1 gate per 36k passengers
United - 24k - 5 gates - 1 gate per 5k passengers

United is pretty laughable right now. They could literally make due with 1 gate depending on schedule. They have 5 gates and only 3 destinations.

That's nuts! What on earth is happening at UA? Looking at going to Denver in June for a weekend and it looks like UA is down to 4x to DEN, and all on CRJ/ERJ equipment, not a single mainline frequency! Wow. Is it really a pilot shortage or are they just straight giving up on OKC? Man, and to think I actually pondered status matching to UA for a bit.

HOT ROD
04-17-2022, 07:10 PM
almost seems like UA is artificially inflating OKC prices by limiting supply of routes/equipment. They aren't giving up on OKC, as whitnessed by their 5 gate lease but they aren't sending any supply here.

BG918
04-17-2022, 08:15 PM
That's nuts! What on earth is happening at UA? Looking at going to Denver in June for a weekend and it looks like UA is down to 4x to DEN, and all on CRJ/ERJ equipment, not a single mainline frequency! Wow. Is it really a pilot shortage or are they just straight giving up on OKC? Man, and to think I actually pondered status matching to UA for a bit.

Pre-COVID there were some days with 10x daily service to DEN. UA 5x WN 4x and F9 1x. Now lucky to see 7x daily. Frontier recently cut TUL (supposedly temporarily) so it’s 6x to DEN

HOT ROD
04-18-2022, 06:37 PM
with 5 gates, United could easily do 35+ flights per day out of OKC. Again, makes one wonder why United is hording gates while not using them. ...

chssooner
04-18-2022, 07:49 PM
with 5 gates, United could easily do 35+ flights per day out of OKC. Again, makes one wonder why United is hording gates while not using them. ...

Because OKC is not holding them accountable, simple as that. Or their gate lease agreements suck, which is, again, OKC's problem.

SEMIweather
04-18-2022, 08:30 PM
And it’s not like any of the other airlines are desperate for the gates as far as I can tell.

gopokes88
04-18-2022, 09:11 PM
And it’s not like any of the other airlines are desperate for the gates as far as I can tell.

Reading through the news airlines are already cutting flights this summer just to ensure reliability. Much less expanding. 2023 will hopefully be different, but with AA, SWA holding strong, and delta adding a few routes. Only United shrinking is a win overall imho

damonsmuz
04-24-2022, 09:59 PM
I just booked for June on United. They're running mainline to Houston. I didn't see how many,but I'm on a A320

shartel_ave
04-25-2022, 04:14 PM
Really interested to see how Breeze performs. This would be a great option with the A220 for connecting OKC/TUL to MSY (tried last year before it ended) and CHS, in addition to TPA and now BNA.

https://thepointsguy.global.ssl.fastly.net/us/originals/2022/03/Breeze-Airways-Route-Map-Summer-2022.jpg?width=700&dpr=2&auto=webp

Missing Seattle

edit: oops again, saw its breeze and seattle is alaskan

kukblue1
04-25-2022, 06:25 PM
Flying Allegiant to Vegas this Sunday notice the cancelled the flight this past Sunday and the flight about a month ago. Staffing issues?

soonergolfer
04-25-2022, 06:32 PM
Flying Allegiant to Vegas this Sunday notice the cancelled the flight this past Sunday and the flight about a month ago. Staffing issues?

I am positive it wasn’t weather related. My brother had that flight booked and Allegiant notified him of the cancellation on Friday morning.

kukblue1
04-25-2022, 06:58 PM
I am positive it wasn’t weather related. My brother had that flight booked and Allegiant notified him of the cancellation on Friday morning.

Yeah weather was nice. Maybe it vegas it was bad. Did he just end up not going than

kukblue1
04-27-2022, 05:56 PM
Flying allegiant this Sunday Maybe . I say maybe cause they been cancelling a lot of flights lately. Again today 4-27 the cancelled OKC-LAX. Last Sunday OKC-LAS got cancelled I saw on the news they are short pilots. Since they only fly out once a day out of OKC I would imagine if flight is cancelled you just don't go or do they try to book you on another airline.

unfundedrick
04-27-2022, 10:12 PM
Flying allegiant this Sunday Maybe . I say maybe cause they been cancelling a lot of flights lately. Again today 4-27 the cancelled OKC-LAX. Last Sunday OKC-LAS got cancelled I saw on the news they are short pilots. Since they only fly out once a day out of OKC I would imagine if flight is cancelled you just don't go or do they try to book you on another airline.

Allegiant has no agreements with other airlines so you are on your own to rebook with someone else.

whatitis
04-28-2022, 09:37 AM
Flying Allegiant to Vegas this Sunday notice the cancelled the flight this past Sunday and the flight about a month ago. Staffing issues?

gotta be. I found a steal from Tul to Orlando for Disney in June and they cancelled it last week.