I hate CC fees, but I take them with a smile. At least to the customer. Don't like 'em, don't take 'em.

Because of the way my business operates, my average CC transaction is over $500. With consolidation in the processing companies and banks, total fees and charges can get up to between 5 and 8%. Had a customer last week who was sent a $1200 insurance payment that was supposed to come to me. He offered to give me CC over the phone. That high an amount with no card or signature could cost me $80-100. Do I take the card and have money in 3 days, wait for him to come by, or go pick it up at his office 5 miles away as a service?

My cc transactions are usually 500 and up. We just audited out bill and I am paying approx 3.2%. (that includes the surcharges for reward cards, etc) You should probably shop your provider around as that is super high

Do they ask for a tip when you order on top of cc fees? That's becoming more common too. Places like Jersey Mikes when you pay the machine ask for a tip. You can select no tip which I do while they look at me. No I am not going to tip you for making my sandwich lol.

^Yes there is a tip request page on the cc machine.

Do they ask for a tip when you order on top of cc fees? That's becoming more common too. Places like Jersey Mikes when you pay the machine ask for a tip. You can select no tip which I do while they look at me. No I am not going to tip you for making my sandwich lol.

i like you had the tip line at places like jersey mikes .

i will say at sun cattle and other places that have bar service they use the same pos system so having a tip line is reasonable

Do they ask for a tip when you order on top of cc fees? That's becoming more common too. Places like Jersey Mikes when you pay the machine ask for a tip. You can select no tip which I do while they look at me. No I am not going to tip you for making my sandwich lol.

clearly you've never worked in food service lol

anyone who only makes minimum wage for making sandwiches or whatever absolutely deserves tips

I'm here now. Order took about 10 minutes. There is also a sign on the door that says dine in only while they get things sorted out.

clearly you've never worked in food service lol

anyone who only makes minimum wage for making sandwiches or whatever absolutely deserves tips

so you tip at mcdonalds? wendys? how about at lowes ??

I went by for lunch yesterday and yeah, it was crazy slammed, but they also could have mentioned there were over 50 orders ahead of me, which resulted in me waiting over 1 hour for the big jack I ordered. I was expecting a long wait, but not that long. The burger itself was fine, didn't taste seasoned at all, and most of the burger flavor was the sauce. I was also laughing at seeing a bag of Great Value crowns being divided up and sold for $6 a serving, one serving pays for 2 full bags! I happen to think they are delicious, but they didn't seem to even season them. The onion rings were being battered right before cooking, so i do think those might be more worth it, but i didn't try any sides. I'll try again when it has calmed down. I think the burgers at Bar Arbodala are much better, but I like the expanded options at Sun Cattle.
My wife and I did our Date Night there on Friday night. Sure it was busy, but we ordered (2) small burgers and some onion rings and found a place to sit. It took 45 minutes to get our food. And TBH, it wasn't bad, but it wasn't great either. Definitely not good enough for a 45-minute wait. We won't be back for awhile. Also, the drink machine was already OOO.

I’m really not sure what you are trying to say.

No one is locked into one provider and there are a few to choose from. There is also constantly start-up Fintechs trying to save people money in this particular area. I do not buy the narrative that people have no choice or even limited choice.

And some of those start ups have been bought out by the big guys.

Even though I almost always use cc's I have no problem if businesses add a surcharge on cc purchases since the big banks continue to increase rates. Why should a cash payer have to foot some of that bill? If you ask me cc fees are very predatory and monopolistic. Someone mentioned above about being illegal to add surcharge but I dont think thats the case. Even OGE adds a charge if you pay by cc.

so you tip at mcdonalds? wendys? how about at lowes ??

anywhere that gives me the option to tip, yeah, i absolutely do.

i tip at starbucks, sonic, jimmy johns, etc. every time. because a couple bucks to me isn't a big deal, but to someone making minimum wage (a number that hasn't changed in FOURTEEN years), a couple bucks/person makes a huge difference. i've been on that side before.

Is anyone truly making minimum wages at those places. I thought everyone had to up their starting pay just to get anyone to work these days.

Is anyone truly making minimum wages at those places. I thought everyone had to up their starting pay just to get anyone to work these days.
Still not a living wage. Still not keeping up. Still need the help.

Still not a living wage. Still not keeping up. Still need the help.

Whose livable wage? How do you determine that? Do you figure in education level, etc? Just curious? Should college grad make the same as a HS grad? Does a degree matter if you actually are the guy at the grill flipping burgers? Should you make the same even if you only have a HS degree v. a college degree or is the job position worth just that much wage regardless of education? Not just trying to be argumentative but I think these are legit questions? I went 100k in debt to get my law degree but that is irrelevant if I am flipping beef patties that a $10/hour employee can do.

There is also a big assumption that the tips are shared with the kitchen staff who tends to be lower paid minorities/immigrants that are doing the real work versus the guy at the counter. That being said...i generally do the extra tip also as it means a lot more to them as it does to me.

Didn't mean to start a battle. Its just I would expect to tip someone for bringing me my food, refilling my drink, etc. Not for just doing your job and taking my order. That's all Im saying.

Minimum wage remains $7.25/hr. For servers and people who make tips, I believe it is still $2.15/HR (same for past 20years)
Living wage was discussed by MIT prof in 2004, and this page from them is handy reference
https://livingwage.mit.edu/pages/about

Still not a living wage. Still not keeping up. Still need the help.

Exactly, you can make double minimum wage and you're still struggling so hard. Being employed on that end shows you how easy it can be to make people's day or even week with some extra help. I have been saved by plenty of kind people in the past, unknowingly throwing a big helping hand that was just a few bucks to them, that is why I will always tip when prompted since I can finally help out. However, I don't think tipping should be a thing, people need to be paid for their work and it should not be a surprise. Making us tip isn't making things cheaper, its just passing the savings on to the higher ups, in a form of a tip called a "bonus" while the people doing the actual work are often treated like crap.

Obviously not certain BUT I feel like I could guess everyone's age within +/- 5 years by their side of this debate. Not good or bad, just interesting.


But can we get back to Sun and Cattle? Who has been here and how did you like it?

It is crazy how this forum seems to always spiral into discussions about how a company should run and what they should charge. All companies large and small are dealing with crazy price increases on goods and employment. Hell, eggs were $8 for a dozen at one point. When I went the place was slow and the service was great and the food was great. I hope that when they are able to hire more staff and get the pricing under control you all go back and give it a second chance!

I am interested to know what others think about how these burgers compare to others around town. There are so many great options for burgers these days.

^I thought the burger was very good - the meat was a little thicker than say Tuckers or the Garage (or maybe it just seemed that way because we got the big one with double meat and split it and a hot dog with chili and slaw). They use a special sauce that I liked…. but I can see others might want just a traditional onion burger. Overall, I gave the food a thumbs up and will definitely go back.

The AG consumer protection division should be contacted. Your card issuer should also be informed.
Yes it is a very small fee, yet it appears to be an illegal charge in Oklahoma.

2022 Oklahoma Statutes
Title 14A. Consumer Credit Code
§14A-2-417. Surcharge for use of credit or debit card.
Universal Citation: 14A OK Stat § 2-417 (2022)
A. No seller in any sales transaction may impose a surcharge on a cardholder who elects to use a credit card or debit card in lieu of payment by cash, check or similar means.

B. As used in this section, "debit card" means any instrument or device, whether known as a debit card or by any other name, issued with or without fee by an issuer for the use of the cardholder in depositing, obtaining or transferring funds from a consumer banking electronic facility.

C. For purposes of this section, a private educational institution as defined in paragraph (e) of Section 3102 of Title 70 of the Oklahoma Statutes, a private school defined as a nonpublic entity conducting an educational program for at least one grade between prekindergarten through twelve, a municipality as defined in paragraph 5 of Section 1-102 of Title 11 of the Oklahoma Statutes or a public trust with a municipality as its beneficiary may charge a service fee. The service fee may be applied to online or in-person transactions and shall be used to offset bank processing fees, financial transaction fees, the cost of providing for secure transaction, portal fees, and fees necessary to compensate for increased bandwidth incurred as a result of providing the transaction.

Added by Laws 1977, c. 135, § 2, emerg. eff. June 3, 1977. Amended by Laws 2010, c. 69, § 2, eff. Nov. 1, 2010; Laws 2012, c. 221, § 2; Laws 2015, c. 319, § 3, eff. Nov. 1, 2015; Laws 2017, c. 31, § 2, eff. Nov. 1, 2017; Laws 2019, c. 232, § 1, eff. Nov. 1, 2019.
Did we ever decide if charging this fee is in fact illegal?

I tried it yesterday evening. No wait to order and received my food in ten minutes. I just got a regular cheeseburger and a coney with slaw. The coney was OK. i found the chili to be a little odd but the slaw was good and did remind me of the slaw from Johnnies in el reno. The burger was fantastic. I remember someone earlier saying their had no seasoning. Well maybe they read this forum because mine was almost overly seasoned but it was very delicious.

Ate here for lunch today and it was pretty fantastic. The onion burgers reminded me of Roberts-Sids-Johnny's in El Reno. Very good and the chili was excellent. Took less than 10 minutes to get our food to us at 11:45 am. Great vibe! I will be back.

Went back last night and tried the Cheese Coney with slaw, Onion rings, and the Fried PB&J with ice cream. It was all good again. The onion rings have good seasoning on them and are on the salty side. The dessert was basically a deep friend Uncrustable with Ice Cream. I live way to close to Sun Cattle. I will probably gain weight because of that.

I went twice. First time I ordered a coney with cheese, a deluxe burger with jalapenos, and fries. The amount of lettuce I got I thought was too much for the burger, and it was iceberg lettuce. I asked what the size of the patty was and was told 3 oz, which by weight is a little under .2 lb. NO worries, next time I order double meat, no lettuce and onion rings. Onion rings are the way to go, and I got lettuce on the burger anyway. I came in so late I didn't want to ask them for another one with no lettuce. Defintely solved the meat/veggie/bread ratio though.

I'm going to go a 3rd time to try the steak sandwich. 2 employees I spoke to mentioned it being their favorite sandwich. Same 3oz as the burger. As far as favorite burger, which onion should probably go in a category of it's own, patty wagon is still on top for me. GOod for the area though.

We went for the first time Saturday, and may need to give them another shot as it didn't really live up to expectations. The meat to onion ratio was way off, and the onions weren't caramelized at all (I typically order extra onions at Tucker's, and this was way more than than even that). The onion rings were good, as was the house lager, so I need to give them another shot to see if it was an off day. The space is really nice.

We went for the first time Saturday, and may need to give them another shot as it didn't really live up to expectations. The meat to onion ratio was way off, and the onions weren't caramelized at all (I typically order extra onions at Tucker's, and this was way more than than even that). The onion rings were good, as was the house lager, so I need to give them another shot to see if it was an off day. The space is really nice.

IMO, they slice their onions to thin and the patties are so small you have to get two. I like this place and have gone twice and will definitely go back.

We havent made it yet. They don't take to go orders according to their google listing which I don't understand when from what I understand....everything is in paper sacks anyway. We will try it when we can call in a to go order for the office. We looked at it today and ended up ordering Tuckers which was great as usual. Guess they are busy enough that they don't want/need $100 lunch orders

The meat to onion ratio was way off, and the onions weren't caramelized at all (I typically order extra onions at Tucker's, and this was way more than than even that).

Sun is as close as you can get to Sid's/Johnny's without driving to El Reno..... The typical OKC onion burger (Nic's/Tucker's) is not like an El Reno onion burger.

Also if you can sit near the grill. The banter between the crew can get very entertaining. Last time I was there someone ordered an extra bun with their burger but only wanted half the extra bun.... The head cook pretty much went through the whole "How much for one rib?" routine from I'm Gonna Git You Sucka when he saw the order and I was almost in tears.

We havent made it yet. They don't take to go orders according to their google listing which I don't understand when from what I understand....everything is in paper sacks anyway. We will try it when we can call in a to go order for the office. We looked at it today and ended up ordering Tuckers which was great as usual. Guess they are busy enough that they don't want/need $100 lunch orders

I've been served on a tray when I've been there but I have seen people getting to go orders.... What I don't know is if they ordered it to go at the counter or called it in.

I've been served on a tray when I've been there but I have seen people getting to go orders.... What I don't know is if they ordered it to go at the counter or called it in.

It's not unusual for a new restaurant to refuse phone-in orders until they get their legs.

I'm sure you can get to-go, but probably not over the phone quite yet.

It's not unusual for a new restaurant to refuse phone-in orders until they get their legs.

I'm sure you can get to-go, but probably not over the phone quite yet.

They were slammed at ~2:00 on Saturday and were way behind on their orders, so wouldn't surprise me if they are still waiting on phone orders. I'm not sure if it's different during prime lunch and dinner rushes, but given the size of the space it was surprising to see only one person working the flat top.

^

The staffing challenges in food service are immense.

Mike Rowe just made a post about Sun Cattle on Facebook. He said it was the best burger he has ever had.
So expect business to pick up!

https://www.facebook.com/100044228419568/posts/pfbid02mmB5kkWKwrJ51MVsvYo54kz8WpXPmmoYuR8cGh8KkQz HSMFSi4YDb9GBcpKE2veBl/

Mike Rowe just made a post about Sun Cattle on Facebook. He said it was the best burger he has ever had.
So expect business to pick up!

I saw that right before I walked over there for lunch yesterday but the Mike Rowe effect hadn't kicked in yet. They were busy but about what they've always been the other times I've been there.

So do we believe Alton Brown or Mike Rowe?

So do we believe Alton Brown or Mike Rowe?

When it comes to food (among other things), taste and opinion is subjective and both can be true at the same time.

I am going there for the first time today. I will report back on the crowd. Also, it is pretty nice out for the first time in several days to I could see it being slow due to people going to the Arts Festival for lunch.

When it comes to food (among other things), taste and opinion is subjective and both can be true at the same time.

Sorry, forgot the /s... I wouldn't trust either of them (I'm a food snob, if that's not already apparent), but would use Alton as a starting point moreso than Mike. And having had Bar Arbolada's burger, it is pretty good. Will try Sun Cattle's next time we get over there.

So do we believe Alton Brown or Mike Rowe?

I'm going with Alton on this one. Sun Cattle is fine, but the beef tastes odd to me. The simplicity of the Bar Arbolada burger is so great and it's seasoned perfectly! I also enjoy their fries more than Sun Cattle's sides (i have not tried those onion rings, they looks bomb though). Both are good burgers, and don't surprise me for how good they are. I know the new season of the Burger Show came to Oklahoma, but I hope they tried both of these. https://youtu.be/u0MD2bR3TQ4

Just got here at 11:20. Line is to the door and most of the tables are full.

No hate intended with this comment, but Mike Rowe has been doing a lot more paid endorsement stuff over the past few years. Petroleum Alliance and OERB brought him in to talk up the oil and gas industry with a bunch of different engagements last year. Not saying this is one of them, but people should know Mike Rowe's stuff isn't really 100% unbiased.

Went today. Got there at 11:20, ordered around 11:35. Got our food around noon. Out at 12:30. Onion rings were great, burger was great. Ironically, I didn't see a bunch of people standing around waiting for tables, so the people there were eating and leaving and that was great.

Will be back, but not at the top of my best burger list. That's just me personally.

Will be back, but not at the top of my best burger list. That's just me personally.

Same... It's a good burger in my opinion and It's the best burger within a 1 block walk from my office.

No hate intended with this comment, but Mike Rowe has been doing a lot more paid endorsement stuff over the past few years. Petroleum Alliance and OERB brought him in to talk up the oil and gas industry with a bunch of different engagements last year. Not saying this is one of them, but people should know Mike Rowe's stuff isn't really 100% unbiased.

Since when was an opinion unbiased?

Maybe "genuine review" would have been a better way to put it. Someone potentially getting paid (and I will admit there is no proof in this instance) definitely changes how much I believe their review.

Mike Rowe just made a post about Sun Cattle on Facebook. He said it was the best burger he has ever had.
So expect business to pick up!

Apparently they are taking to go orders now according to their response to me on FB when I inquired when they would start

Maybe "genuine review" would have been a better way to put it. Someone potentially getting paid (and I will admit there is no proof in this instance) definitely changes how much I believe their review.

I see? So because someone supports the O & G industry - you know, uses a car/truck, uses things that contain plastic like eyeglasses, computers, storage containers, shoes, airliners, electricity - those useless things, that you're going to question a hamburger review? Fully admitted without the slightest shred of evidence?

Apparently you've never seen him interviewed and actually give his point of view. It must be interesting living in a world where powerful & evil Oklahoma Bubba-Bilder-"Burgers" are able to pay off a multi-millionaire for a good cheeseburger review.

I went last night after the Snail Mail gig at Jones. It was outstanding! That’s a real deal onion burger and the interior is wonderful—kind of an updated, ever-so-slightly elevated Cattlemen’s.

Great atmosphere, great food, great service, and great prices. This place deserves your money and all of the praise it has received.

Mike Rowe just made a post about Sun Cattle on Facebook. He said it was the best burger he has ever had.
So expect business to pick up!

Why do people care about this guy's food opinion? Isn't he a spokesmodel, like Flo from Progressive? Asking him about food seems like asking Boris Johnson who cuts his hair.

Why do people care about this guy's food opinion? Isn't he a spokesmodel, like Flo from Progressive? Asking him about food seems like asking Boris Johnson who cuts his hair.

Dude, it's a star-powered endorsement. He had his own fantastic show called Dirty Jobs that many folks loved and he still maintains a huge cult-like following. He's travelled all over the place in search of dirty jobs and it's taken him to all corners of the country including small town diners and eateries. I'm sure he knows a good burger.

I’ve driven by a couple of times in the past few days and the line was quite literally out the door

He had his own fantastic show called Dirty Jobs that many folks loved and he still maintains a huge cult-like following.


Does he thought? What has he done in the decade plus since his show ended? How many people under 40 even know who he is?

Does he thought? What has he done in the decade plus since his show ended? How many people under 40 even know who he is?

The guy has over 1M followers on Instagram alone, but I'm not here to argue his popularity. If you don't understand celebrity endorsements then I really don't know what to tell you. Celebrities endorse things all the time. For you personally, it'll either convince you or not. Perhaps he doesn't convince you -- and that's okay. Nonetheless, I'm totally looking forward to trying a burger here. Have a great day!

Locals will tell you that the best burger in the city is Nic's on Penn. Alton Brown will tell you that the best double cheeseburger in the nation is Bar Arbolada. Mike Rowe will tell you that the best onion burger in the world is Sun Cattle. All 3 of these burger joints are within 3 miles of each other, which is pretty cool !

Locals will tell you that the best burger in the city is Nic's on Penn. Alton Brown will tell you that the best double cheeseburger in the nation is Bar Arbolada. Mike Rowe will tell you that the best onion burger in the world is Sun Cattle. All 3 of these burger joints are within 3 miles of each other, which is pretty cool !

Let's not forget that Colin Farrell called Nic's burger the best he's ever had on both Jay Leno (2003) and Jimmy Kimmel (2017).

It was packed tonight when I drove by at 7 pm on a monday

Let's not forget that Colin Farrell called Nic's burger the best he's ever had on both Jay Leno (2003) and Jimmy Kimmel (2017).

Had no idea he said it again on Kimmel. That’s super cool! At least 14 years after he first had Nic’s, it’s still his favorite burger.

I went here with 3 friends on Saturday afternoon. The place was fairly empty and we sat at the bar.

We all ordered their house Club Special and it was very good, similar to one you would get at a local country club. We split 2 regular burgers and fries and our food arrived quickly. Other than being served on paper plates, we were all happy with the results. The burger was tasty, grilled very nicely, and formed perfectly - not too compact and not too loose. It had just the right amount of cheese and the bun was soft and steamy. The fries were top-notch, cooked just long enough and salted perfectly.

One negative were that the bartender was not very friendly to patrons at the bar, almost to the point of being rude. Another would be that we paid to park in the lot behind the restaurant and it was $5 for about 40 minutes of parking. Not that it's the restaurant's fault, but the owner of that lot should put a sign at the entrance stating the rate. We saw no notice at either the entrance or the exit what the rate was.