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Pete
02-02-2022, 11:15 AM
4,588 new cases today. Last several Wednesdays: 8,160; 10,001; 5,507; 3,914; 765.

Hospitalizations are 1,980 (-37).

ICU is 409 (+5).

G.Walker
02-03-2022, 08:29 AM
With schools and businesses being closed for a few days, and limited social interactions will really slow down the spread, good deal.

Zuplar
02-03-2022, 10:25 AM
https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-lifestyle-europe-restaurants-a1cb094b0643ffb120690783b7382b2b

I wonder when we are going to get to this point.

OKCretro
02-03-2022, 10:32 AM
Finally got my government-provided Covid tests in the mail yesterday.

how long did it take and do they have an expiration date?

Pete
02-03-2022, 10:34 AM
^

The government-issued tests that I received about 10 days ago have a use-by date of 6/23/22.

Pete
02-03-2022, 11:08 AM
4,968 new cases today. Last several Thursdays: 13,428; 13,406; 10,502; 6,280; 4,166; 1,917.

Hospitalizations are 1,994 (+14).

ICU is unchanged at 409.

DowntownMan
02-03-2022, 11:25 AM
https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-lifestyle-europe-restaurants-a1cb094b0643ffb120690783b7382b2b

I wonder when we are going to get to this point.

Well we are are already there basically, if you choose so. The only real restriction we have in place to remove is basically the masks on public transit.

Bill Robertson
02-03-2022, 11:36 AM
Well we are are already there basically, if you choose so. The only real restriction we have in place to remove is basically the masks on public transit.And schools. And a handful of businesses that require employees to wear masks. Other than that not much left in the way of restrictions. Here in OK anyway.

Pete
02-04-2022, 11:06 AM
4,027 new cases today. Last several Fridays: 8,655; 13,939; 11,315; 6,438; 3,974; 1,011.

Hospitalizations are 1,976 (-18).

ICU is 406 (-30).

Pete
02-04-2022, 11:09 AM
For the week ending Friday:

39,816 new cases. Last several weeks: 72,774; 83,356; 59,393; 28,655; 14,728; 8,304.

Hospitalizations were -267 compared to last week.

ICU was -22 compared to last week.

soonerguru
02-04-2022, 12:10 PM
Great news!

Bill Robertson
02-04-2022, 03:15 PM
Great news! Absolutely! and on the national front: On today's Reuters graphs not a single state has a rising 14 day average. 38 have a dropping average and the other 12 are flat. And the national average is 44 % of the Jan 14 peak.

unfundedrick
02-04-2022, 09:29 PM
For the week ending Friday:

39,816 new cases. Last several weeks: 72,774; 83,356; 59,393; 28,655; 14,728; 8,304.

Hospitalizations were -267 compared to last week.

ICU was -22 compared to last week.

I don't understand why the ICU count is going down but I keep seeing news reports that there are 0 ICU beds available. There seem to be a misconnect somewhere.

soonerguru
02-06-2022, 04:40 PM
I don't understand why the ICU count is going down but I keep seeing news reports that there are 0 ICU beds available. There seem to be a misconnect somewhere.

I don't know, but -22 for the whole week isn't much of a decline because that number would be for the entire state. So, it would make sense that despite that the numbers may be declining a bit, having 22 fewer ICU admissions isn't much of a decline when we were literally sending people out of state a couple weeks ago.

It will take another week or two of declines before hospitals aren't bursting at the seams. The good news is the numbers are going down, and since hospitalization numbers lag case numbers, it's a sign that the decline in case numbers we are seeing is real and hopefully sustainable. That's certainly cause for celebration.

Bill Robertson
02-06-2022, 06:38 PM
I don't know, but -22 for the whole week isn't much of a decline because that number would be for the entire state. So, it would make sense that despite that the numbers may be declining a bit, having 22 fewer ICU admissions isn't much of a decline when we were literally sending people out of state a couple weeks ago.

It will take another week or two of declines before hospitals aren't bursting at the seams. The good news is the numbers are going down, and since hospitalization numbers lag case numbers, it's a sign that the decline in case numbers we are seeing is real and hopefully sustainable. That's certainly cause for celebration.
Yes. Case numbers have to drop for hospitalizations and ICU numbers to drop. With case numbers dropping like a rock the others will follow.

unfundedrick
02-06-2022, 10:19 PM
Yes. Case numbers have to drop for hospitalizations and ICU numbers to drop. With case numbers dropping like a rock the others will follow.
But according to the figures Pete has been providing, hospitalizations and ICU numbers are already dropping. Maybe I'm misunderstanding his figures. Is the drop in hospitalizations and ICU numbers just referring to new patients or is about the current total numbers of people who are hospitalized or in an ICU?

Bill Robertson
02-07-2022, 08:17 AM
But according to the figures Pete has been providing, hospitalizations and ICU numbers are already dropping. Maybe I'm misunderstanding his figures. Is the drop in hospitalizations and ICU numbers just referring to new patients or is about the current total numbers of people who are hospitalized or in an ICU?
Cases peaked around Jan 22. Hospitalizations started dropping around Jan 28. I would hope hospitalizations start to drop faster in the next week or two.

king183
02-07-2022, 10:24 AM
I don't understand why the ICU count is going down but I keep seeing news reports that there are 0 ICU beds available. There seem to be a misconnect somewhere.

There is no misconnect, but I can understand why this is confusing because the ICU count is a function of a relatively complicated mix of variables. To boil it down as much as possible, the number of available ICU beds is dependent on 1) the actual bed/room and 2) the number of clinically appropriate staff available to attend to a patient in that room. When cases start rising, hospitals will “create” bed capacity through a number of strategies, including shifting staff from other parts of the hospital to ICU duty, purchasing temporary contracting staff, and using federal augmentation. Thus, at the peak of cases, hospitals are dependent on staff that are not normally working an ICU and are expected to be temporarily assigned to the ICU. When cases are falling, hospitals can slowly transition staff back—but in many cases, contracts expire, augmentation is rotated out, etc. And, remember, the ICU has all kinds of non-COVID patients because other diseases, accidents, etc. didn’t stop because of the pandemic, thus further reducing COVID ICU bed availability. In sum, the hospital may not have the literal beds/rooms available, but even when they do, they may not have the appropriate staff to work the beds, so they cannot claim that capacity. When their temporary augmentations measures expire, they extra capacity temporarily created also expires.

In a related situation, most people know OU Health recently built that brand new tower, but many don’t know that dozens of those brand new beds/room have remained empty and not operational because OU cannot find the staff to work them. This is just an example of where someone may walk through the building and say, “Look at all these beds! They’re saying there’s no room for patients!” without considering there is no one there to take care of the patients.

Pete
02-07-2022, 11:12 AM
4,851 new cases for the 3-day period. Last several weeks: 23,798; 27,501; 42,157; 27,058; 12,023; 5,823.

Hospitalizations are 1,886 (-121).

ICU is 402 (-14).

soonerguru
02-07-2022, 11:18 AM
But according to the figures Pete has been providing, hospitalizations and ICU numbers are already dropping. Maybe I'm misunderstanding his figures. Is the drop in hospitalizations and ICU numbers just referring to new patients or is about the current total numbers of people who are hospitalized or in an ICU?

Yes, it's a very positive development. But they haven't yet dropped enough for the hospitals. Recall that people at Integris and Saints and other major hospitals were being moved out of state for care as recently as a couple of weeks ago. Certainly you're not trying to imply that the hospitals are being misleading about their capacities, right?

So, yes, it's absolutely great that ICU admissions and hospital admissions are beginning to drop; they just haven't dropped enough yet for hospitals to relax.

fortpatches
02-07-2022, 11:32 AM
There is no misconnect, but I can understand why this is confusing because the ICU count is a function of a relatively complicated mix of variables. To boil it down as much as possible, the number of available ICU beds is dependent on 1) the actual bed/room and 2) the number of clinically appropriate staff available to attend to a patient in that room. When cases start rising, hospitals will “create” bed capacity through a number of strategies, including shifting staff from other parts of the hospital to ICU duty, purchasing temporary contracting staff, and using federal augmentation. Thus, at the peak of cases, hospitals are dependent on staff that are not normally working an ICU and are expected to be temporarily assigned to the ICU. When cases are falling, hospitals can slowly transition staff back—but in many cases, contracts expire, augmentation is rotated out, etc. And, remember, the ICU has all kinds of non-COVID patients because other diseases, accidents, etc. didn’t stop because of the pandemic, thus further reducing COVID ICU bed availability. In sum, the hospital may not have the literal beds/rooms available, but even when they do, they may not have the appropriate staff to work the beds, so they cannot claim that capacity. When their temporary augmentations measures expire, they extra capacity temporarily created also expires.

In a related situation, most people know OU Health recently built that brand new tower, but many don’t know that dozens of those brand new beds/room have remained empty and not operational because OU cannot find the staff to work them. This is just an example of where someone may walk through the building and say, “Look at all these beds! They’re saying there’s no room for patients!” without considering there is no one there to take care of the patients.

It's my understanding also that not all beds are created equal. Some rooms simply do not have the capability to be ICU beds.

In normal times, ICUs typically run at roughly 70% to 80% capacity, a sweet spot where a unit can maintain enough resources to run, without being overstaffed, and still allow wiggle room for additional patients.

oklip955
02-07-2022, 12:24 PM
Also consider specialty Hospitals are not the same. If say the Heart Hospital has an ICU bed for cardiac, its may not be set up for a trauma patient nor a coivid patient. I dont know if Bone and Joint Orthopedic Hospital or any Orthopedic type hospital can handle a covid patient or one that has had say a stroke. I am not in the medical community just an older lady that spent 10 yrs as an EMT/Adv back in the old days.

Ginkasa
02-07-2022, 12:35 PM
4,851 new cases for the 3-day period. Last several weeks: 23,798; 27,501; 42,157; 27,058; 12,023; 5,823.

Hospitalizations are 1,886 (-121).

ICU is 402 (-14).

That's a pretty significant drop (which I'm not complaining about) but I wonder how much of it is due to people staying in and not getting tested due to the winter weather.

fortpatches
02-07-2022, 01:32 PM
If Oklahoma posts their positivity rates, you could figure that out. If the drop is just due to people not being able to get out and get tested over the weekend, then the positivity rate would likely increase (percent of test takers that are positive) since the worse you are the more likely you are to try to take a test. The positivity rate can be used to gauge how well the recorded cases correspond with actual cases.

kukblue1
02-07-2022, 02:49 PM
that's a pretty significant drop (which i'm not complaining about) but i wonder how much of it is due to people staying in and not getting tested due to the winter weather.

bingo!!!!!!!!!!.

Pete
02-07-2022, 03:16 PM
Don't forget, the government has sent out millions of home test kits and there is no way within the Oklahoma way of reporting to account for anyone who tests positive at home.

soonerguru
02-07-2022, 08:36 PM
^^Yes. I know a ton of folks who have used those tests or tests they bought at Walgreen's to get their positives. They're still doing what is intended: let folks know to stay home and isolate and reduce further transmission, but it would make the data very difficult to follow.

That said, the significant drop we are seeing appears to be real, and even the slightest reduction in hospitalizations seems to validate it.

Urbanized
02-07-2022, 09:11 PM
^^^^^^^
I’d go so far as to say that MOST of the people I know who’ve tested positively recently did so via home testing and in many cases quarantined without even calling their own doctor to let them know about it. That’s all fine and good, but those cases don’t make it into the count at all. I think the days of daily test counts meaning anything are long gone.

unfundedrick
02-07-2022, 10:35 PM
Yes, it's a very positive development. But they haven't yet dropped enough for the hospitals. Recall that people at Integris and Saints and other major hospitals were being moved out of state for care as recently as a couple of weeks ago. Certainly you're not trying to imply that the hospitals are being misleading about their capacities, right?

So, yes, it's absolutely great that ICU admissions and hospital admissions are beginning to drop; they just haven't dropped enough yet for hospitals to relax.

I wasn't trying to imply anything. I was just trying to understand and king183 gave a very good explanation.

unfundedrick
02-07-2022, 10:37 PM
Don't forget, the government has sent out millions of home test kits and there is no way within the Oklahoma way of reporting to account for anyone who tests positive at home.

I wonder how the positives are calculated when you have a situation where someone gets a test that is positive and then wants to do it again a week later. If the test is still positive is that added to the total or do they note that is the same person and not added to the total.

Bill Robertson
02-08-2022, 08:38 AM
^^^^^^^
I’d go so far as to say that MOST of the people I know who’ve tested positively recently did so via home testing and in many cases quarantined without even calling their own doctor to let them know about it. That’s all fine and good, but those cases don’t make it into the count at all. I think the days of daily test counts meaning anything are long gone.Through January we had about 20 employees test positive and quarantine. All of them that I've talked to were home rests.

oklip955
02-08-2022, 09:32 AM
And the folks that I know that came down sick just assumed they had it. They never tested and later talked to their doctor and their doctor said they most likely had covid. Some just did not want to be part of the statics.

fortpatches
02-08-2022, 11:02 AM
That is why it is also important to look at the positivity rate, not just the number of people that are positive.

The lower the positivity rate is, the better we know the positive count corelates to the actual positive count. The higher the positivity rate is, we know that the positive count is not as close to the actual positive count.

But, yes, people not reporting their at-home tests as instructed is causing tracking problems. This is likely artificially raising the positivity rate. With some more data though, Im sure the data scientists can come up with a way to account for it.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/growing-use-of-home-covid-19-tests-leaves-health-agencies-in-the-dark-about-unreported-cases

Experts say there’s always been a disconnect between the reported coronavirus case counts and the truth. Because many people who catch the virus experience few or no symptoms, many infections go unreported.
Similarly, test positivity rates tend to be inflated because the people most likely to show up at a testing center are the ones with COVID-19-like symptoms. Large organizations that require all their members to be tested regularly invariably have lower positivity rates than sites that test only people who think they might be sick.
Testing more people more often, as a number of other developed countries do, could help identify outbreaks and limit their spread. But for a variety of reasons, a growing reliance on at-home rapid tests kits may not help public health officials in their battle to track and understand the pandemic.
https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2022-01-06/if-you-take-an-at-home-coronavirus-test-who-keeps-track-of-the-results-probably-no-one

Here are some resources about positivity rate
https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2020/covid-19-testing-understanding-the-percent-positive
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/lab/resources/calculating-percent-positivity.html

Using test positivity and reported case rates to estimate state-level COVID-19 prevalence and seroprevalence in the United States
https://journals.plos.org/ploscompbiol/article?id=10.1371/journal.pcbi.1009374

Pete
02-08-2022, 11:07 AM
986 new cases today. Last several Tuesdays: 2,435; 8,810; 3,853; 5,011; 4,110; 2,443.

Hospitalizations are 1,696 (-190).

ICU is 350 (-52).

Bill Robertson
02-08-2022, 02:59 PM
Another thought on ICU's still showing as full when the numbers are falling. This might have been said already and I missed it but here goes. Just a thought. I have no idea if I'm right.

I wonder if hospitals count all ICU patients in the daily count but only proper ICU beds when they post capacity. For instance. Say Mercy has 50 proper ICU beds but added 20 "adapted" rooms used as ICU beds. Do they post available ICU beds including "adapted" beds or do they only consider ICU beds available when they have proper ICU beds open. I could see doing it that way since "adapting" beds for ICU also means using staff not normally in ICU to take care of patients.

Urbanized
02-08-2022, 07:26 PM
Another thought on ICU's still showing as full when the numbers are falling. This might have been said already and I missed it but here goes. Just a thought. I have no idea if I'm right.

I wonder if hospitals count all ICU patients in the daily count but only proper ICU beds when they post capacity. For instance. Say Mercy has 50 proper ICU beds but added 20 "adapted" rooms used as ICU beds. Do they post available ICU beds including "adapted" beds or do they only consider ICU beds available when they have proper ICU beds open. I could see doing it that way since "adapting" beds for ICU also means using staff not normally in ICU to take care of patients.

This is a good question, but one definite explanation is that patients progress through their illness over the course of time, so case counts can be plummeting but ICU counts still going up because of that lag. Meaning some people who got sick during the height of the curve don't make it into ICU until sometimes even weeks after first falling ill.

king183
02-09-2022, 09:38 AM
That is a good question and, unfortunately, the answer depends on how the hospital reports it. Each hospital has their nuance on how to report their metrics, which is disappointing because it makes analysis much more difficult. Typically, they will not include “adapted”beds in their capacity. There is one major hospital in the OKC metro that “adapted” another hospital building to enhance their capacity and I believe they do count those “adapted” bed in their capacity.

The other thing to keep in mind is the that ICU numbers aren’t necessarily linear. Typically, a patient goes from general, acute hospitalization to ICU and then, if they survive, back to acute hospitalization and then are released. Sometimes, however, they can go back into the ICU if they have a setback, so the ICU number will go back up or have a small change even as overall hospitalization numbers fall.

Bill Robertson
02-09-2022, 09:56 AM
Urbanized and king183, I know all of that to be correct. I was just attempting to reason how ICU bed count can have dropped by 78 since Jan 28 but all the hospitals on the report show no available beds.

Pete
02-09-2022, 11:11 AM
1,711 new cases reported today. Last several Wednesdays: 4,588; 8,160; 10,001; 5,507; 3,914; 2,443; 1,482.

The state has now passed 1,000,000 total cases.

Hospitalizations are 1,682 (-14).

ICU is 358 (+8).

soonerguru
02-09-2022, 12:31 PM
Urbanized and king183, I know all of that to be correct. I was just attempting to reason how ICU bed count can have dropped by 78 since Jan 28 but all the hospitals on the report show no available beds.

Bill, my physician, who is part of the Saints network, told me that St. Anthony and other hospitals were sending people out of state last month because there weren't beds. So, even if numbers were to drop suddenly that doesn't mean full capacity is restored. It just means we are still close to full but no longer sending people out of state for care.

Bill Robertson
02-09-2022, 12:42 PM
Bill, my physician, who is part of the Saints network, told me that St. Anthony and other hospitals were sending people out of state last month because there weren't beds. So, even if numbers were to drop suddenly that doesn't mean full capacity is restored. It just means we are still close to full but no longer sending people out of state for care.I know that also. All I was suggesting is that maybe ICU beds won't be listed as available on the bed capacity report until actual in-the-ICU beds are open.

Pete
02-09-2022, 12:54 PM
^

Keep in mind, ICU beds are pretty full just in the normal course of things. Given the crazy spike due to the last round of Covid, I'm sure lots of procedures and other medical issues were stalled as long as possible just simply due to lack of beds.

Pete
02-10-2022, 11:08 AM
2,678 new cases today. Last several Thursdays: 4,968; 13,428; 13,406; 10,502; 6,280; 4,166; 1,917.

Hospitalizations are 1,715 (+33).

ICU is 364 (+6).

Pete
02-11-2022, 11:08 AM
2,230 new cases today. Last several Fridays: 4,027; 8,655; 13,939; 11,315; 6,438; 3,974; 1,011.

Hospitalizations are 1655 (-60).

ICU is 357 (-7).

Pete
02-11-2022, 11:09 AM
For the week ending Friday:

12,456 new cases. Last several weeks: 38,816; 72,774; 83,356; 59,393; 28,655; 14,728; 8,304.

Hospitalizations were -321.

ICU is -49.

soonerguru
02-11-2022, 01:48 PM
^
Thank you for faithfully reporting this data every day. The week by week analysis is particularly helpful.

David
02-11-2022, 01:53 PM
Pete, by any chance do you have this data in an Excel or Google Docs spreadsheet? Seems like it could be a source for useful analysis for the pandemic.

Bunty
02-11-2022, 01:56 PM
2,230 new cases today. Last several Fridays: 4,027; 8,655; 13,939; 11,315; 6,438; 3,974; 1,011.

Hospitalizations are 1655 (-60).

ICU is 357 (-7).

It's a good thing cases are going down, since Stillwater Hospital reported Wednesday that 63.1% of its 19 covid patients were not vaccinated, likely its lowest figure ever. It's covid testing stats has dropped to a 30% positivity rate.

OKC Talker
02-15-2022, 05:21 AM
Urbanized and king183, I know all of that to be correct. I was just attempting to reason how ICU bed count can have dropped by 78 since Jan 28 but all the hospitals on the report show no available beds.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/15/magazine/traveling-nurses.html

I thought this was a good article for those who had questions about how "available beds" keep changing. Call it "supply and demand" or "the free market", the problem is that hospitals have been emptied of their staff and can only take care of patients when they have the warm bodies to do so, usually with emergency staffing by travelers, nursing professors, or military nurses like the people interviewed here.

I've included a quote from the article since no one clicks on links but the full article explains much more and is worth a read:
"The following year, the demand for travel nursing broke loose from Covid. In April and May 2021, as case counts dipped, hospital requests for travel nurses only grew exponentially. “They now know what pent-up demand does to a health care system, and it’s not healthy,” said April Hansen, the group president at Aya Healthcare, one of the largest providers of travel nurses in the country. “If you look at our demand today, it looks like our demand pre-Covid in terms of specialties: med surge, telemetry, I.C.U., emergency room, surgical. It’s just the volume that is being asked for in every specialty.”

It isn’t the traveling-nurse boom alone that has transformed the market. There are also more job opportunities beyond the bedside than ever. Nurse practitioners treat patients in doctors’ offices; insurance companies employ thousands of nurses; Microsoft and Amazon have hundreds of open nursing jobs. Today, only 54 percent of the country’s registered nurses work in hospitals. “There was competition for talent before the pandemic,” Hansen said. “But the pandemic took a small crack and made it as wide as the Grand Canyon.”

To make things worse, the nursing shortage is part of a worker shortfall that spans the entire health care industry. “This is labor across the hospital,” said Rose O. Sherman, an emeritus professor of nursing at Florida Atlantic University. “This is respiratory therapy. This is lab. This is dietary, environmental services. They have not been immune to having an Amazon warehouse open up and losing a significant chunk of their staff.” If labs are backed up, patients have to wait for a diagnosis. If rooms aren’t cleaned, nurses step in to do the work themselves. Barraza has been known to empty bedpans when the housekeeper is too busy.

Even as hospitals have scrambled to hire travel nurses, many have been chafing at the rising price tag. A number of states are exploring the option to cap travel-nursing pay, and the American Hospital Association is pushing for a congressional inquiry into the pricing practices of travel-nursing agencies. Sherman, however, believes that the problem will not be solved until hospitals start considering how to make bedside jobs more desirable.

After two years, nurses have borne witness to hundreds of thousands of deaths. They have found themselves in the middle of a politicized illness and faced countless angry, grieving family members. Many, now, are moving on. They are looking for jobs outside the hospital. Others are simply uprooting themselves — leaving their homes and their families and continuing to do their jobs for a higher salary. “Nurses have finally learned what they’re worth,” Nora Shadix, one I.C.U. nurse, told me. “I don’t think they’re going to go back to the way it was before. I don’t think they’re going to settle.”"

Pete
02-15-2022, 12:17 PM
All numbers are dropping like a stone...

Only 378 new cases today, the lowest in a few months.

Hospitalizations are 1,129. That's -526 since Friday.

ICU is 231, -126 since Friday.

jerrywall
02-15-2022, 01:12 PM
Are we far enough that we can consider this drop to be a real drop, and not a temporary dip due to the weather or such? Either way, I hope it continues this way.

mkjeeves
02-15-2022, 01:22 PM
This was reported on the 6th. It seems this would weed out unreported case errors.

TULSA, Oklahoma -

The latest available results from sewage testing indicate community transmission of COVID-19 has dropped recently in Oklahoma City but continues at high levels in Tulsa.

The results, reported by the Oklahoma Water Survey office at the University of Oklahoma, measures levels of the virus in wastewater, which typically is an advanced indicator of reported individual cases by 7-10 days.

“Omicron showed up and had a sharp rise in Oklahoma City about a week before it did in Tulsa in the wastewater. And Oklahoma City over the last several days has taken a sharp drop off. We haven't seen that sharp drop-off in Tulsa but if it reflects Oklahoma City, but a week behind like the rest of the Omicron wave coming in, I'd suspect we'll be seeing that in Tulsa as well,” said Dr. Jason Vogel, who directs the Survey.

https://www.newson6.com/story/6202ecdf75000c071d14ef52/sewage-testing-indicates-omicron-dropping-in-oklahoma-city

OkiePoke
02-15-2022, 01:25 PM
Not many people left to infect right now.

kukblue1
02-15-2022, 01:42 PM
Not many people left to infect right now.

Not allowed even though we are at 1 million PCR positive test. So 1 million for sure plus people that didn't know they had it or the people that tested at home. Plus vaccination and the fact the doctor on news 9 said we are getting some herd immunity.

Bill Robertson
02-15-2022, 02:25 PM
Are we far enough that we can consider this drop to be a real drop, and not a temporary dip due to the weather or such? Either way, I hope it continues this way.I believe it's time to consider it real. All 50 states are dropping. Most like rocks. To add, Canada is down to about 25% of peak and Mexico is about 30%. So the whole of North America is looking pretty good.
Let's just hope another round isn't coming.

soonerguru
02-15-2022, 10:31 PM
So weird. My wife and I went to see a flick at Harkins Tonight. There was only one other individual in the theatre we were in. No one waiting in line for goodies. No one in the bathrooms. Easy parking right by the theatre.

Obviously the windy weather kinda sucks but people are still observing the pandemic. It will be refreshing when and if things ever truly return to normal again.

So, hint: if you are worried about seeing a movie in a crowded theatre, Tuesdays at Harkins seem very safe.

Jeepnokc
02-16-2022, 07:04 AM
So weird. My wife and I went to see a flick at Harkins Tonight. There was only one other individual in the theatre we were in. No one waiting in line for goodies. No one in the bathrooms. Easy parking right by the theatre.

Obviously the windy weather kinda sucks but people are still observing the pandemic. It will be refreshing when and if things ever truly return to normal again.

So, hint: if you are worried about seeing a movie in a crowded theatre, Tuesdays at Harkins seem very safe.

We went two Saturdays ago during the day and there were only two other couples in the theaters.

soonerguru
02-17-2022, 12:00 PM
We went two Saturdays ago during the day and there were only two other couples in the theaters.

Hoping these places stay open. It would be a big blow if Harkins were to close. That said, it would be nice if they would upgrade their seating to compete with Flix and Warren.

Bill Robertson
02-17-2022, 07:13 PM
So weird. My wife and I went to see a flick at Harkins Tonight. There was only one other individual in the theatre we were in. No one waiting in line for goodies. No one in the bathrooms. Easy parking right by the theatre.

Obviously the windy weather kinda sucks but people are still observing the pandemic. It will be refreshing when and if things ever truly return to normal again.

So, hint: if you are worried about seeing a movie in a crowded theatre, Tuesdays at Harkins seem very safe.I wonder why movie theaters are so slow. I don't see people staying away from much else. Concerts, for instance Elton John at BOK was absolutely packed. Sports events like OU, OSU and Thunder BB are as full as could be expected in normal times. Bars, restaurants, malls, other retail are business as usual or setting sales records with precautions being history. If movie theaters are empty they're an outlier.

Ginkasa
02-17-2022, 07:54 PM
I think its more of a mix of a lack of interesting product plus the impact of a lot of still simul-releasing with streaming or going to streaming soon after. Spider-Man did really well having grossed over $700 million so far, but the second highest grossing movie from last year only made $224 million. COVID consequences, but not directly due to COVID fears, I don't think.