Softball Tournament will probably be played in OKC. This will give SEC schools a preview of USA Hall of Fame Stadium.

Baseball is experimenting with the MLB ballparks to give players that Major League Ballpark feel; attendance looks dismal in those huge palaces. There will be a tossup between Globe Life Field (Arlington), Minute Maid Park, Houston and Loan Depot Park, Miami--these parks have retractable roofs. Look for the SEC baseball to go back to the campuses or cities like Birmingham, Charlotte, Memphis, Nashville, Oklahoma City or Raleigh where the ballpark are in the 10,000 - 15,000 seat capacity range.

Wrestling SEC schools do not have wrestling except for Missouri, they compete in the Mid Atlantic Conference. Oklahoma & Missouri.

Gymnastics: Florida, Auburn, LSU, Georgia, Alabama, Kentucky, Missouri, Arkansas & Oklahoma will have gymnastics.
Look for OKC Paycom Center to bid on tournaments & NCAA national events. University of Texas only has recreational and competitive gymnastics.

^^ Missouri wrestles in the Big 12 conference as an affiliate member.

^^ Missouri wrestles in the Big 12 conference as an affiliate member.

Thanks for the update GoGators. Maybe Oklahoma can continue to wrestle as an affiliate member with Missouri when we move to the SEC.

TV viewership does not look good for the big12 after OU and texas leave.

Last weekend there were 4 conference games. Only 1 game featured 2 unranked teams.

OU vs Texas 3.4 million
TCU vs Kansas 1.3 million
OSU vs Tech 1.63
KSU vs ISU 373k

TV viewership does not look good for the big12 after OU and texas leave.

Last weekend there were 4 conference games. Only 1 game featured 2 unranked teams.

OU vs Texas 3.4 million
TCU vs Kansas 1.3 million
OSU vs Tech 1.63
KSU vs ISU 373k

Those numbers aren't apples to apples comparisons. OU Texas was on network television while the other games were on FS1 and KSU ISU was on ESPNU.

A better comparison would be to see how these games faired in comparison to other games on the same Channel in the same time slot.

Week 5 2:30 game on FS1 Michigan State-Maryland 904,000
Week 6 2:30 game on FS1 Texas Tech-Oklahoma State 1.63 million

Just looking at week 5 ratings tells you how many more viewers network broadcasts get:

OU-TCU (ABC) 2.4 million
OSU-Baylor (Fox) 2.4 million
Texas-WVU (FS1) 1.2 million

Those numbers aren't apples to apples comparisons. OU Texas was on network television while the other games were on FS1 and KSU ISU was on ESPNU.

There is a reason why Fox chose the Michigan IU game on fox and put the ku vs tcu game on fs1.
The michigan game got 4 million viewers.

There is a reason why those games are on fs1 and not other stations

There is a reason why Fox chose the Michigan IU game on fox and put the ku vs tcu game on fs1.
The michigan game got 4 million viewers.

There is a reason why those games are on fs1 and not other stations

Yes, OU Texas and Michigan Indiana are comparable by both being on broadcast television (ABC/FOX) in the same time slot. Kind of a sad matchup to beat out OU/TEX. Maybe that's why OU is playing on ESPN2 this weekend. Ill be anxious to see how that game compares to the OSU TCU game on ABC with the number of viewers.

Yes, OU Texas and Michigan Indiana are comparable by both being on broadcast television (ABC/FOX) in the same time slot. Kind of a sad matchup to beat out OU/TEX. Maybe that's why OU is playing on ESPN2 this weekend. Ill be anxious to see how that game compares to the OSU TCU game on ABC with the number of viewers.

nevertheless the key big12 matchup of the week where both teams were ranked undefeateds and only being in 12th place in terms of viewers is not a good look. Behind 3 (or 4 if you cant ou/texas) SEC games, 2 big10 games, 2 Pac 12 games, an ACC game, and the ND game.

TV viewership does not look good for the big12 after OU and texas leave.

Last weekend there were 4 conference games. Only 1 game featured 2 unranked teams.

OU vs Texas 3.4 million
TCU vs Kansas 1.3 million
OSU vs Tech 1.63
KSU vs ISU 373k

OU vs Kansas at 1.21 million didnt even get as many viewers as TCU Kansas. In your own words, thats not a good look.

But if youre saying OU and Texas leaving is going to hurt Big12 viewership, I dont think you will have anyone argue with you.

How is viewership measured?

Are streaming providers like Sling, YouTube, Fubo, etc included with viewership numbers?

Viewership numbers against other games outside of Big12: https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-football-tv-ratings/

But if youre saying OU and Texas leaving is going to hurt Big12 viewership, I dont think you will have anyone argue with you.

the big 12 commish said OU and texas provided 50% of the big 12 tv value

OU vs Kansas at 1.21 million didnt even get as many viewers as TCU Kansas. In your own words, thats not a good look.

But if youre saying OU and Texas leaving is going to hurt Big12 viewership, I dont think you will have anyone argue with you.

someone in this thread said you compare what was on the channel and timeslot the week before

ABC 2:30 game week 6 had 4.4 million viewers, week 7 showing OSU vs tcu it had 2.14. A decent number of viewers but half the audience the week before.

the big 12 commish said OU and texas provided 50% of the big 12 tv value

if he said that, how are the schools preparing for the drop in tv money?

if he said that, how are the schools preparing for the drop in tv money?

that is a huge issue ... most projections have the new big 12 tv deal at somewhere in the 20's max .. sec will be 75ish big 10 85+

someone in this thread said you compare what was on the channel and timeslot the week before

ABC 2:30 game week 6 had 4.4 million viewers, week 7 showing OSU vs tcu it had 2.14. A decent number of viewers but half the audience the week before.

And OU Kansas had 1.2 million week 7 viewers. this is why you cant just post the raw numbers in one week without context. No one would look at one week of ratings and say TCU has double the tv value of OU.

if he said that, how are the schools preparing for the drop in tv money?

The ones that have any value (mainly Kansas) will get scooped up by the B10 or the Pac 12.

The ones that have any value (mainly Kansas) will get scooped up by the B10 or the Pac 12.

PAC12? Why would they go there? Pretty sure PAC12 is in worse shape than any conference right now.

that is a huge issue ... most projections have the new big 12 tv deal at somewhere in the 20's max .. sec will be 75ish big 10 85+

the big12 schools are currently getting around 35 million so if its 27, thats not too far of a drop off. But i guess the kicker is that OU and TExas in the SEC will get close to 90 per year.

the big12 schools are currently getting around 35 million so if its 27, thats not too far of a drop off. But i guess the kicker is that OU and TExas in the SEC will get close to 90 per year.

that is right ... going forward it is the power 2 BIG and SEC and then everyone else ...

TCU becomes the first and only school in the big 12 to win a CFP game. A nice surprise success story for the conference right before realignment starts.

Colorado expected to announce tomorrow they are leaving the Pac 12 for the Big 12 in 2024. If that happens, could see Utah, Arizona and Arizona State making the jump as well.

Colorado has one of the worst athletic departments in all of the P5 conferences.

Horrific in football and doesn't even field a baseball or softball team.

Colorado is not much of a "get" at all. What sports ate they known for with success? In this century.

They have had some decent mens basketball teams........

Colorado is not much of a "get" at all. What sports ate they known for with success? In this century.
So you think the Big 12 should tell them no?

Good move by the Big 12 and Colorado here. Now the Big 12 can poach Oregon and fold the Pac12 completely.

Good move by the Big 12 and Colorado here. Now the Big 12 can poach Oregon and fold the Pac12 completely.

Yeah, don't understand the negativity from some of the above posters on this move. The Big XII is positioning themselves very well to be the third most important conference behind the SEC and Big Ten.

Colorado has one of the worst athletic departments in all of the P5 conferences.

Horrific in football and doesn't even field a baseball or softball team.

That's a lot of negativity right there.

Colorado coming back is a good sign for the Big 12, if for not other reason that it looks like they had buyers remorse with the PAC10. They are also making improvements to their athletic program, and hiring Deion was a good way to breathe excitement back into the program. I remember watching the Spring CU game at the Chilis in Moore a few months ago because it was on ESPN, and they had more fans come out to that spring game then they had in many games the previous season. It's been awhile since CU has had that kind of spotlight on them. The program is at least currently trending in the right direction and the fact they want to hitch their wagon to the Big 12 should be seen as a good sign.

That's a lot of negativity right there.

Colorado coming back is a good sign for the Big 12, if for not other reason that it looks like they had buyers remorse with the PAC10. They are also making improvements to their athletic program, and hiring Deion was a good way to breathe excitement back into the program. I remember watching the Spring CU game at the Chilis in Moore a few months ago because it was on ESPN, and they had more fans come out to that spring game then they had in many games the previous season. It's been awhile since CU has had that kind of spotlight on them. The program is at least currently trending in the right direction and the fact they want to hitch their wagon to the Big 12 should be seen as a good sign.

All of this. It's objectively a good move to grab the flagship university in one of the fastest growing states in the country. And in terms of the baseball/softball situation, you have to consider that Boulder gets more snow in April and May than just about every other P5 college town.

Sorry, but Colorado hasn't cared about athletics in a very long time.

The reason you don't realize how horrible they have been is that they have been completely irrelevant in almost every single sport. They were in 100x better shape when they left the Big 12 than they are now. They are far and away the worst athletic program in the Pac 12.

There are tons of cold-weather schools that play baseball and softball. Colorado doesn't even field a men's tennis team or have a wrestling program.

In fact, they only field 6 men's sports one of which is skiing.

Yes Colorado athletics is bad. But might it be possible that now with 3 teams having bailed on the PAC that it might push other, better teams to jump the sinking ship and the Big 12 could try to lure them?

if this leads to the big 12 getting Utah, Arizona and ASU, and taking colorado was the only way to do so, then this was a good move for the conference. if they could have gotten Utah, Arizona and ASU and literally any other PAC school, then this was a bad move.

Yeah, don't understand the negativity from some of the above posters on this move. The Big XII is positioning themselves very well to be the third most important conference behind the SEC and Big Ten.

Clemson, FSU, and Miami might have some disagreement with that.

Clemson, FSU, and Miami might have some disagreement with that.

Clemson and FSU will almost certainly be jumping ship from the ACC as soon as they get the chance.

Clemson and FSU will almost certainly be jumping ship from the ACC as soon as they get the chance.

As soon as 2036.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/inside-the-big-12s-ironclad-grant-of-rights-contract-that-helped-keep-the-acc-together-amid-turbulence/

Not sure how long Prime will stick around but CU is a decidedly better add to the B12 than BYU, UCF, etc.

Will easily be the 3rd best conference when they add Zona, ASU and Oregon.

As soon as 2036.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/inside-the-big-12s-ironclad-grant-of-rights-contract-that-helped-keep-the-acc-together-amid-turbulence/

Could be sooner. https://twitter.com/CFBLive247_/status/1684594603050029056

Could be sooner. https://twitter.com/CFBLive247_/status/1684594603050029056

I don't trust that particular account, but you can bet that FSU and Clemson are looking for any possible way to break out of the ACC's Grant of Rights and leave for greener pastures earlier than 2036. And if that happens, I would assume the Big Ten will look to add schools such as UVA or North Carolina.

My long, long-term opinion (think multiple decades away) is that all of these super-conferences will eventually disintegrate back into smaller regional leagues, but in the meantime I do think that the Big XII has certainly positioned themselves very well relative to the Pac-12, and also arguably better than the ACC. They are never going to be better off financially than the SEC or Big Ten, but third place isn't bad for a conference whose biggest brand is...Baylor? Kansas? Oklahoma State? TCU? Texas Tech? Not to mention the fact that 2-3 Big XII schools will be making the expanded college football playoff every year, while 2-3 big name SEC and Big Ten schools will likely be struggling to win more than 7-8 games every year, which will be a shock to the system of fanbases that are used to extended periods of success (this is also why I ultimately expect that the super-conferences will not end up working in the long-run).

Yeah, don't understand the negativity from some of the above posters on this move. The Big XII is positioning themselves very well to be the third most important conference behind the SEC and Big Ten.

Any major state school is a good get for the Big XII right now, especially if it freaks other schools out enough to have a domino effect of bringing any combination of Utah, AZ, ASU, WSU, Stanford or Cal into the conference (I assume Oregon and Washington are both going to the B1G but if not...obviously they would be the prize for athletics along with probably Utah).

Regardless I just enjoy watching the Pac 12 flounder after giving the finger to Big XII schools on multiple occasions because of the uppity academic standards for their ATHLETIC conference. Have fun creating an athletically irrelevant Ivy league of the west coast or merging with the Mountain West for survival.

All I can say is thank god David Boren got the boot years ago so that OU is safely out of the mess this time around.

Any major state school is a good get for the Big XII right now, especially if it freaks other schools out enough to have a domino effect of bringing any combination of Utah, AZ, ASU, WSU, Stanford or Cal into the conference (I assume Oregon and Washington are both going to the B1G but if not...obviously they would be the prize for athletics along with probably Utah).

Regardless I just enjoy watching the Pac 12 flounder after giving the finger to Big XII schools on multiple occasions because of the uppity academic standards for their ATHLETIC conference. Have fun creating an athletically irrelevant Ivy league of the west coast or merging with the Mountain West for survival.

All I can say is thank god David Boren got the boot years ago so that OU is safely out of the mess this time around.

I'm just amazed that the Pac-12 managed to replace Larry Scott with someone who is potentially even more incompetent.

Not sure how long Prime will stick around but CU is a decidedly better add to the B12 than BYU, UCF, etc.

Will easily be the 3rd best conference when they add Zona, ASU and Oregon.

The new Big-12 will have had teams in the football playoffs each of the last two season with Cincinnati in 2021 and TCU last year making the championship game. Clemson and TCU are now the only non SEC or Big-10 schools to win a playoff game.

The Big12 is the SEC of basketball with two of the last three basketball championships. Kansas is the preseason #1 this year and was going to be overall #1 seed in 2020 when the tournament was canceled. Texas Tech nearly won in 2019, the year before Baylor. If Tech's last shot in regulation in 2019 wasn't blocked and if there was no Covid the Big 12 might well have four of the last five champions with three different teams. None of them OU or Texas.

The new Big-12 is easily the 3rd best before adding any of those schools.

OU is going to find it far harder to win a conference championships and make the playoffs from the SEC. Fans had better be ready for that. And I have large doubts that Venables is right guy. He didn't get a promotion when he left the first time, he was kinda run out of Norman.

Texas hasn't done anything in a decade in the Big-12 and Sarkisian is nothing but a joke. His overall record as head coach is 59-47, the SEC is going to solve that for him? I hope horns fans enjoy counting money.

he was kinda run out of Norman.

this is factually incorrect

The new Big-12 will have had teams in the football playoffs each of the last two season with Cincinnati in 2021 and TCU last year making the championship game. Clemson and TCU are now the only non SEC or Big-10 schools to win a playoff game.

The Big12 is the SEC of basketball with two of the last three basketball championships. Kansas is the preseason #1 this year and was going to be overall #1 seed in 2020 when the tournament was canceled. Texas Tech nearly won in 2019, the year before Baylor. If Tech's last shot in regulation in 2019 wasn't blocked and if there was no Covid the Big 12 might well have four of the last five champions with three different teams. None of them OU or Texas.

The new Big-12 is easily the 3rd best before adding any of those schools.

OU is going to find it far harder to win a conference championships and make the playoffs from the SEC. Fans had better be ready for that. And I have large doubts that Venables is right guy. He didn't get a promotion when he left the first time, he was kinda run out of Norman.

Texas hasn't done anything in a decade in the Big-12 and Sarkisian is nothing but a joke. His overall record as head coach is 59-47, the SEC is going to solve that for him? I hope horns fans enjoy counting money.
A normal OU team (not last years) will make a 12 team playoff way more often than not no matter what conference we're in. And we've already had one recruit commit to OU because we joined the SEC.

this is factually incorrect

So you're saying he wasn't pushed out as DC at OU after a few not so great seasons to be replaced by Mike Stoops after Mike was fired by Arizona? I recall my OU family being pretty happy he was gone.

That didn't happen?

A normal OU team (not last years) will make a 12 team playoff way more often than not no matter what conference we're in. And we've already had one recruit commit to OU because we joined the SEC.

Gonna need more than one recruit, but, yes you are right with the 12 team format all bets are off on how often OU can get in without winning a conference. We will see how that plays out. In the current format, no way, nothing like the 4 appearances in the last 9 years like OU had from the Big-12.

So you're saying he wasn't pushed out as DC at OU after a few not so great seasons to be replaced by Mike Stoops after Mike was fired by Arizona? I recall my OU family being pretty happy he was gone.

That didn't happen?

he was not pushed out at all .. Mike was coming back ... but bob wanted brent to stay and brent almost stayed and then even after he chose to leave .. he got to the airport and almost turned the car around and went back to norman ..

he was not pushed out at all .. Mike was coming back ... but bob wanted brent to stay and brent almost stayed and then even after he chose to leave .. he got to the airport and almost turned the car around and went back to norman ..

Not to mention that he got a fairly substantial raise to coach Clemson.

But that’s correct. The defense had a few relative down years (which ironically were better than any defense we’ve had since he left), Mike got fired at Arizona and Bob brought him back to resume his position as a co-coordinator with Brent. The same idiot fans who want every coach fired every season wanted Brent gone but that was hardly universal among the fan base and certainly wasn’t how the university felt.

Not to mention that he got a fairly substantial raise to coach Clemson.

But that’s correct. The defense had a few relative down years (which ironically were better than any defense we’ve had since he left), Mike got fired at Arizona and Bob brought him back to resume his position as a co-coordinator with Brent. The same idiot fans who want every coach fired every season wanted Brent gone but that was hardly universal among the fan base and certainly wasn’t how the university felt.

And bringing Mike back turned out to be a bad decision.

Gonna need more than one recruit, but, yes you are right with the 12 team format all bets are off on how often OU can get in without winning a conference. We will see how that plays out. In the current format, no way, nothing like the 4 appearances in the last 9 years like OU had from the Big-12.

Well I guess it’s a good thing they just signed two classes that were better than any since like 2005 and are likely going to sign a 2025 class that’s better then both of those if the projections pan out.

The current format is going away next season and is being replaced with a 12 team playoff so that’s irrelevant but all of the teams the OU teams that made the playoff would likely have made it in the sec regardless of whether they won it or not. There weren’t three better teams than OU in any conference during those seasons.

Regardless, this conversation likely isn’t even happening if they had a better record last season. If we don’t lose our heisman QB, several or all of the four 3 point losses and/or the 7 point loss are likely turned around and the two games we essentially played without a QB that could throw a forward pass probably at minimum aren’t as lopsided. That said, with a year in the new system under their belt, more depth and an extremely forgiving schedule, there will be reason to panic if there’s not a substantial improvement this season.

And bringing Mike back turned out to be a bad decision.

Obviously which is essentially what I said.


. which ironically were better than any defense we’ve had since he left),

Gonna need more than one recruit, but, yes you are right with the 12 team format all bets are off on how often OU can get in without winning a conference. We will see how that plays out. In the current format, no way, nothing like the 4 appearances in the last 9 years like OU had from the Big-12.If there's one that chose OU because they're in the SEC next year there will be more.

Ocolly on CO entering Big 12. https://www.ocolly.com/big12sports/trevino-colorado-to-the-big-12-cool-im-more-excited-for-whats-to-come/article_91180d3c-2c8c-11ee-a8e5-f7e7d8493ac8.html

lots of smoke on Arizona

several online sources are saying that Utah, atleast right now is not interested in joining the BIG 12. or atleast "they are not answering the Big 12's phone calls" . seems a bit short sited by utah if that is the case. if this turns into getting Colorado, Arizona, ASU, and Utah, that would be huge for the Big 12

several online sources are saying that Utah, atleast right now is not interested in joining the BIG 12. or atleast "they are not answering the Big 12's phone calls" . seems a bit short sited by utah if that is the case. if this turns into getting Colorado, Arizona, ASU, and Utah, that would be huge for the Big 12

That would quite easily be the #3 football conference and #1 basketball conference by a landslide margin

That would quite easily be the #3 football conference and #1 basketball conference by a landslide margin

Not necessarily in football. Arizona and Colorado are really, really bad and ASU not much better.

But, but, but ........ Colorado has Coach Priiiiiime! :)

But, but, but ........ Colorado has Coach Priiiiiime! :)

What’s your point?

What’s your point?

Probably that Colorado now has flash but not substance with its program. It’s still one of the worst in D1.

I'd expect Colorado to get more competitive in the Big 12. I haven't paid too much attention, but I am guessing the move to the PAC made it more difficult for them to get onto Texas recruits. And California recruits probably weren't as easy to talk into relocating to Colorado as the surplus Texas kids were. Getting back in the Big 12 should open up that pipeline a bit for them again.