the big 12 is changing the tie breaker with 2 weeks left in the season ...

how very big 12 of them

lol such a joke of a league. I don’t disagree with what they’re trying to do…but ridiculous to do it two weeks before the championship game.

They don't want the two teams leaving the league to be in the Big 12 title game. Anything to keep OU out.

lol such a joke of a league. I don’t disagree with what they’re trying to do…but ridiculous to do it two weeks before the championship game.

i agree with all points ...

They don't want the two teams leaving the league to be in the Big 12 title game. Anything to keep OU out.

I believe the clarification only really hurt KState. OU wouldn't win the tiebreaker with OSU and KState anyway.

The simplist way to get in for OU (if they win both final games) is from: https://x.com/GeorgeStoia/status/1724789761662206070?s=20

"#Sooners are in if…

-Texas loses to ISU
-Texas loses to Tech, ISU beats KState
-OSU loses to Houston or BYU"

I believe the clarification only really hurt KState. OU wouldn't win the tiebreaker with OSU and KState anyway.

The simplist way to get in for OU (if they win both final games) is from: https://x.com/GeorgeStoia/status/1724789761662206070?s=20

"#Sooners are in if…

-Texas loses to ISU
-Texas loses to Tech, ISU beats KState
-OSU loses to Houston or BYU"

if Cinn beat KU in the final game OU would have been in under the old rule ..

if Cinn beat KU in the final game OU would have been in under the old rule ..

I guess that is true but I don't see Cinn beating anyone. They are awful.

I guess that is true but I don't see Cinn beating anyone. They are awful.

Anything can happen. UCF is barely better than Cinn and they beat OSU by 6 touchdowns.

Anything can happen. UCF is barely better than Cinn and they beat OSU by 6 touchdowns.

Yes but Cincinnati doesn't have sweet space uniforms. That was the difference maker

Yes but Cincinnati doesn't have sweet space uniforms. That was the difference maker
Those uniforms are horrible!

I like the Space U Citronauts uniforms better than their current set.

if Cowboys win next week, Cowboys will be playing Longhorns in the Big 12 championship game due to the tiebreaker over Oklahoma

if Cowboys win next week, Cowboys will be playing Longhorns in the Big 12 championship game due to the tiebreaker over Oklahoma

Correct if Texas and OSU both win next week and that is the most likely outcome.

But if Tech beats Texas and Iowa State beats KSU (and OU and OSU both win), then it is OU v Texas due to the tiebreakers in that scenario. Unlikely but possible. If you flip the KSU to beating ISU then back to Tx v OSU.

The B12 has released a new update:

Scenarios for the Football Championship surrounding Big 12 matchups on Friday, November 24:
Oklahoma remains in contention with either a win or a loss against TCU.

Texas will clinch both a berth to the Championship and a #1 seed (home team) with a win over Texas Tech.

If Texas wins and clinches a berth on Friday, the following scenarios apply surrounding Big 12 matchups on Saturday, November 25:
If Oklahoma State defeats BYU, the Cowboys clinch a berth to the Championship as the #2 seed (vs. Texas).

If Oklahoma defeats TCU on Friday and that win is followed by a Texas win AND an Oklahoma State loss, the Sooners clinch a berth to the Championship as the #2 seed (vs. Texas).

If Kansas State defeats Iowa State on Saturday following a Texas win, AND a loss by Oklahoma, AND a loss by Oklahoma State, the Wildcats clinch a berth to the Championship as the #2 seed (vs. Texas).

If Texas Tech wins on Friday, the following scenarios apply surrounding Big 12 matchups on Saturday, November 25:
No team can clinch a bid to the Championship until Saturday.

Texas can still clinch a berth to the Championship if two of the three two-loss teams (Kansas State / Oklahoma / Oklahoma State) LOSE on Friday and / or Saturday. Texas and the remaining winning team of those three will qualify for the Championship.

If Texas loses on Friday, and two or three two-loss teams WIN amongst Kansas State / Oklahoma / Oklahoma State on Friday and / or Saturday, there will be three or four teams tied for both Championship berths. Multiple scenarios exist in this circumstance contingent on which teams remain in the tiebreaker pool.

With the way the season has gone I’d be surprised if both Texas and OSU win but I also thought they would both lose last weekend.

Both are over two TD favorites, so odds are they will be playing in Dallas. But you never know. Nice comeback for OSU in Houston - they were in some trouble in the first half but finished that off strong.

The B12 has released a new update:

Scenarios for the Football Championship surrounding Big 12 matchups on Friday, November 24:
Oklahoma remains in contention with either a win or a loss against TCU.

Texas will clinch both a berth to the Championship and a #1 seed (home team) with a win over Texas Tech.

If Texas wins and clinches a berth on Friday, the following scenarios apply surrounding Big 12 matchups on Saturday, November 25:
If Oklahoma State defeats BYU, the Cowboys clinch a berth to the Championship as the #2 seed (vs. Texas).

If Oklahoma defeats TCU on Friday and that win is followed by a Texas win AND an Oklahoma State loss, the Sooners clinch a berth to the Championship as the #2 seed (vs. Texas).

If Kansas State defeats Iowa State on Saturday following a Texas win, AND a loss by Oklahoma, AND a loss by Oklahoma State, the Wildcats clinch a berth to the Championship as the #2 seed (vs. Texas).

If Texas Tech wins on Friday, the following scenarios apply surrounding Big 12 matchups on Saturday, November 25:
No team can clinch a bid to the Championship until Saturday.

Texas can still clinch a berth to the Championship if two of the three two-loss teams (Kansas State / Oklahoma / Oklahoma State) LOSE on Friday and / or Saturday. Texas and the remaining winning team of those three will qualify for the Championship.

If Texas loses on Friday, and two or three two-loss teams WIN amongst Kansas State / Oklahoma / Oklahoma State on Friday and / or Saturday, there will be three or four teams tied for both Championship berths. Multiple scenarios exist in this circumstance contingent on which teams remain in the tiebreaker pool.

this is what the Big 12 fears. They absolutely do not want this scenario to play out. Determining who would get births in the Big 12 championship game would get so convoluted and complicated in this scenario. The big 12 would much prefer the games end with 2 obvious teams at 1 and 2 than have start diving in to obscure tie breaker scenarios.

this is what the Big 12 fears. They absolutely do not want this scenario to play out. Determining who would get births in the Big 12 championship game would get so convoluted and complicated in this scenario. The big 12 would much prefer the games end with 2 obvious teams at 1 and 2 than have start diving in to obscure tie breaker scenarios.They created this mess. The other conferences with this many teams have 2 divisions just so this doesn't happen. To find blame for this mess they need only look in the mirror.

They created this mess. The other conferences with this many teams have 2 divisions just so this doesn't happen. To find blame for this mess they need only look in the mirror.

What are you talking about? Conference divisions are a thing of the past and rightly so. No conference will have divisions after this year.

The ACC has 14 teams with no divisions. The Big 12 and SEC will have 16 teams next year and no divisions. The Big 10 will have 18 teams next year with no divisions. Your post makes absolutely zero sense. Do you think every other conference created a giant mess by moving away from divisions or are you just mad at the Big 12 for some reason?

The PAC 12 played without divisions this year and it worked beautifully. Without divisions we get to watch an Oregon Washington rematch in the PAC 12 championship game. The Big 10 having divisions this year is going to create a terrible matchup where we will have to watch Iowa play in the Big 10 Championship game and get blown out by either Ohio State or Michigan. No one wants to watch that.

We're talking about the mess the Big12 is in now. Not next year. Right now the SEC and Big10 have divisions. They wouldn't be in the mess the Big12 is in. Next year with 12 playoff teams everything will be different. Stick to the subject that you bring up.

We're talking about the mess the Big12 is in now. Not next year. Right now the SEC and Big10 have divisions. They wouldn't be in the mess the Big12 is in. Next year with 12 playoff teams everything will be different. Stick to the subject that you bring up.

Determining who gets into a conference championship game will be completely different next year because there will be a 12 team playoff? Care to elaborate on that one?

So the big 12 not having divisions this year is a complete mess and should be blamed for a disaster, but when the SEC ends divisions (and has 16 teams) next year it will be totally awesome and a super smart move. Do I have that about right?

The big 12 is not in a mess, you are the only one saying that. I suspect it is because your team will most likely not be playing in the championship game. That is not the Big 12 fault.

Determining who gets into a conference championship game will be completely different next year because there will be a 12 team playoff? Care to elaborate on that one?

So the big 12 not having divisions this year is a complete mess and should be blamed for a disaster, but when the SEC ends divisions (and has 16 teams) next year it will be totally awesome and a super smart move. Do I have that about right?

The big 12 is not in a mess, you are the only one saying that. I suspect it is because your team will most likely not be playing in the championship game. That is not the Big 12 fault.

Yormark has had to come out on multiple occasions over the last few weeks to "clarify" the tie-breaker rules. Yes, the BigXII is a mess.

The SEC has had several years to get it right for this upcoming next season, and being one of the most successfully run conferences in the country I imagine they'll get it right.

Determining who gets into a conference championship game will be completely different next year because there will be a 12 team playoff? Care to elaborate on that one?

So the big 12 not having divisions this year is a complete mess and should be blamed for a disaster, but when the SEC ends divisions (and has 16 teams) next year it will be totally awesome and a super smart move. Do I have that about right?

The big 12 is not in a mess, you are the only one saying that. I suspect it is because your team will most likely not be playing in the championship game. That is not the Big 12 fault.
You're the one that brought up that the Big12 doesn't want the worst case scenario to happen. Don't suggest there's a problem if you think everything is hunky dory.
Obviously next year with 12 available playoff positions and only 4 power conferences there will be 11 power teams make the playoffs. That negates the need for divisions because "win your conference or no playoffs for you". So the conference winner, second and maybe third place teams from one or more of the conferences will be in the playoffs.
If the Big12 had divisions it might not effect OU getting in the CCF game or not so find a better argument than insulting me.

Trammel column today on this topic:

https://selloutcrowd.com/oklahoma/2023/11/21/big-12-tiebreakers-were-copied-straight-from-the-pac-12

You're the one that brought up that the Big12 doesn't want the worst case scenario to happen. Don't suggest there's a problem if you think everything is hunky dory.
Obviously next year with 12 available playoff positions and only 4 power conferences there will be 11 power teams make the playoffs. That negates the need for divisions because "win your conference or no playoffs for you". So the conference winner, second and maybe third place teams from one or more of the conferences will be in the playoffs.
If the Big12 had divisions it might not effect OU getting in the CCF game or not so find a better argument than insulting me.

I still don't understand how this would mean the 12 team playoff starting next year will somehow effect who plays in individual conference championship games going forward.

^Is there a betting option for refs calling penalties against BYU and Texas Tech? :)

I still don't understand how this would mean the 12 team playoff starting next year will somehow effect who plays in individual conference championship games going forward.It doesn't affect who plays in the CC games. I didn't say it did.
What it does is lessens the importance of the CC games because both teams and maybe even a third team from any given conference has a very good chance of being in the 11 teams. Some years maybe even a forth if the other conferences have off years. A tie breaking mess won't matter as much if more than the two teams playing in the CC game are going to be in the 11 anyway. I'd be absolutely fine with being left out of a CC game but making the playoff.

^Is there a betting option for refs calling penalties against BYU and Texas Tech? :) Could be. So many prop bets are out there.

^Is there a betting option for refs calling penalties against BYU and Texas Tech? :)

For those 2 teams, I'll take the under.

I just think Sooners should get in the Big 12 championship game due to a better record than the other teams besides Texas

Well, goodbye Big 12. I wish we could have stuck around and created a great future but it wasn't to be.

BYU 34 @ Oklahoma State 40 - 2OT


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3un69mgxKGc


Box score https://www.espn.com/college-football/boxscore/_/gameId/401525905




Attendance: 53,855

Well, Sooners get a bowl game, I wonder who Sooners will play? Win or lose, it has been a good season and a huge improvement over last year so I am very happy with that

Well, Sooners get a bowl game, I wonder who Sooners will play? Win or lose, it has been a good season and a huge improvement over last year so I am very happy with that

They have a lot to look forward to next year.

Well, Sooners get a bowl game, I wonder who Sooners will play? Win or lose, it has been a good season and a huge improvement over last year so I am very happy with that

Alamo vs PAC team (possibly Arizona) or Pop-Tarts vs ACC or Notre Dame.

If OU finishes in the top 12 of final CFP ranking they will most likely be in a New Years 6 bowl.

Alamo vs PAC team (possibly Arizona) or Pop-Tarts vs ACC or Notre Dame.

I am hoping for Arizona, playing Notre Dame is old and tiring

If OU finishes in the top 12 of final CFP ranking they will most likely be in a New Years 6 bowl.

Not knowing all of the scenarios, but is there a chance that OU jumps OSU in bowl placement?

Basically, if OSU loses the Big 12 Championship game, they have 4 losses, OU has 2.

In other words, would a loss in the Big 12 Championship game for OkState hurt them more than if they were just to have a "bye" week of not playing in the championship like OU?

Not knowing all of the scenarios, but is there a chance that OU jumps OSU in bowl placement?

Basically, if OSU loses the Big 12 Championship game, they have 4 losses, OU has 2.

In other words, would a loss in the Big 12 Championship game for OkState hurt them more than if they were just to have a "bye" week of not playing in the championship like OU?

Yes, especially when you combine that with the fact that Texas might make the playoff if they win (though they would need help obviously).

Not knowing all of the scenarios, but is there a chance that OU jumps OSU in bowl placement?

Basically, if OSU loses the Big 12 Championship game, they have 4 losses, OU has 2.

In other words, would a loss in the Big 12 Championship game for OkState hurt them more than if they were just to have a "bye" week of not playing in the championship like OU?

I would think so, OSU has 2 blowout losses already and will likely be a 3rd after this weekend dropping them out of the top 25. As great of a season as they've had by their standards they could still lose 5 games.

The one thing that always made me laugh was that fact that OSU would be happy going 1 and 11, if the one win was against OU.

Not knowing all of the scenarios, but is there a chance that OU jumps OSU in bowl placement?

Basically, if OSU loses the Big 12 Championship game, they have 4 losses, OU has 2.

In other words, would a loss in the Big 12 Championship game for OkState hurt them more than if they were just to have a "bye" week of not playing in the championship like OU?

Going into this weeekend OU was #13, OSU #20. They won't jump OU either this weeks poll or next week if they lose to Texas.

Are we supposed to find out who Sooners are playing in a bowl game tomorrow or next week?

Are we supposed to find out who Sooners are playing in a bowl game tomorrow or next week?

Next week, once all of the dust has settled from the conference championships.

If OSU beats Texas in the Big 12 championship game in Arlington--they will look more like a formable Top 20 team.

The early loss to South Alabama and Iowa State while Coach Gundy was experimenting with quarterbacks, plus that horrific 45-3 loss to UCF hurt the Cowboys from having a great season.

Oklahoma's single digit losses to Kansas and Oklahoma State respectively kept the Sooners from exceeding expectations.

Many posters on the board said if OU loss more than two games--those two were winnable as well as the Texas. UCF and BYU games could have resulted in losses.

IMO we need linemen--we lacked in the last decade the consistent good running backs and the locked down defense seen among Switzer's 1985 and Bob Stoop's 2000 championship teams.

Coach Brent Venerables will get us back on track; get ready for a super competitive SEC.

If OSU beats Texas in the Big 12 championship game in Arlington--they will look more like a formable Top 20 team.

The early loss to South Alabama and Iowa State while Coach Gundy was experimenting with quarterbacks, plus that horrific 45-3 loss to UCF hurt the Cowboys from having a great season.
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The first halves of the last two games they looked like they were on the path to additional blowouts, before coming back in the second half.

The first halves of the last two games they looked like they were on the path to additional blowouts, before coming back in the second half.If OSU spots UT 20 something points in the first half they are very likely to just get embarrassed. UT won't fold like a cheap suit in the second half.

If OSU spots UT 20 something points in the first half they are very likely to just get embarrassed. UT won't fold like a cheap suit in the second half.

The Longhorns closest games this year have been on the heels of being outplayed in the second half. That said, their best wins (Alabama and Kansas) were from strong second half’s. Texas hasn’t really scored much in the first half of games and the games that they did have a good first half often turned into shootout’s, especially in the 4th quarter. Both teams are similar in multiple ways but Texas is just much better at consistently playing ahead of their opponents, so even when they let up too much and allow two or three touchdowns, they are able to hold on to win games.

Give Texas Credit though unlike OU and OSU they only have one loss in this not so great conference. OU probably should of only had one loss also. Conference is not that good. Texas still needs FSU to lost to get into the collage football playoffs cause like I have said for a while the Big 12 is pretty bad. Probably not as bad as the ACC but a 1 loss team isn't jumping an undefeated team. If Georgia were to lose there still as case for them over Texas. Ohio St is in if Texas and FSU both lose. SEC winner is in, No way Iowa beats Michigan no way, Pac 12 winner is in. FSU in with a win if they lose than Texas if both lose Georgia or Ohio St toss up.

Give Texas Credit though unlike OU and OSU they only have one loss in this not so great conference. OU probably should of only had one loss also. Conference is not that good. Texas still needs FSU to lost to get into the collage football playoffs cause like I have said for a while the Big 12 is pretty bad. Probably not as bad as the ACC but a 1 loss team isn't jumping an undefeated team. If Georgia were to lose there still as case for them over Texas. Ohio St is in if Texas and FSU both lose. SEC winner is in, No way Iowa beats Michigan no way, Pac 12 winner is in. FSU in with a win if they lose than Texas if both lose Georgia or Ohio St toss up.

I am glad Sooners are the team that gave Texas their only loss

The one thing that always made me laugh was that fact that OSU would be happy going 1 and 11, if the one win was against OU.

Not once have I ever heard an OSU fan say this. The only people who say this are OU fans who are trying to make themselves feel better after losing to OSU.

The one thing that always made me laugh was that fact that OSU would be happy going 1 and 11, if the one win was against OU.

Or even better, beat OU and win 8 other regular season games. But seriously, this is like 1990 thinking, OSU has hit double digit wins half the time the last 14 seasons with a chance to do it again this year.

The wildest thing to see this year is OU fans rooting for Texas. Pretty strange to see.

If OU finishes in the top 12 of final CFP ranking they will most likely be in a New Years 6 bowl.

they would need to be in the top 11 (or top 10 if FSU makes the playoff)

Not knowing all of the scenarios, but is there a chance that OU jumps OSU in bowl placement?

Basically, if OSU loses the Big 12 Championship game, they have 4 losses, OU has 2.

In other words, would a loss in the Big 12 Championship game for OkState hurt them more than if they were just to have a "bye" week of not playing in the championship like OU?

not a scenario .... unless osu wins the big 12 OU will be picked ahead of osu ..

Not once have I ever heard an OSU fan say this. The only people who say this are OU fans who are trying to make themselves feel better after losing to OSU.

tons of osu fans say this and think this ..

osu "fans" care so much about osu that they had a 30% empty stadium while playing to go to the conf championship game

Not once have I ever heard an OSU fan say this. The only people who say this are OU fans who are trying to make themselves feel better after losing to OSU.

i have literally had a family memeber who is an OSU alum tell me it was a winning season when 4-8 OSU beat OU in 1995, because that game is all that matters.

they then said the same thing again in '98 when that win put them at 5-6 to end the year. the quote was "Any year we beat OU is a winning season."

they then called me again in '01 when that Les miles 4-7 squad pulled off the win... telling me yet again, that it was another winning season for OSU.


so yes.. you are correct. i have never heard one say that they would rather go 1-11 but beat OU... but i wouldn't be surprised if that was their reaction afterwards. 6

tons of osu fans say this and think this ..

osu "fans" care so much about osu that they had a 30% empty stadium while playing to go to the conf championship game

I was just about to make a grocery store run for salt and wine, but I appreciate Boulder saving me a trip!

i have literally had a family memeber who is an OSU alum tell me it was a winning season when 4-8 OSU beat OU in 1995, because that game is all that matters.

they then said the same thing again in '98 when that win put them at 5-6 to end the year. the quote was "Any year we beat OU is a winning season."

they then called me again in '01 when that Les miles 4-7 squad pulled off the win... telling me yet again, that it was another winning season for OSU.


so yes.. you are correct. i have never heard one say that they would rather go 1-11 but beat OU... but i wouldn't be surprised if that was their reaction afterwards. 6

Yup, so again, no OSU fan has ever said this.

tons of osu fans say this and think this ..

osu "fans" care so much about osu that they had a 30% empty stadium while playing to go to the conf championship game

No, we really don't think and say this. You can keep saying it over and over but it doesn't make it true. But keep it up with the copium, you'll get over the loss and being blue balled from the title game eventually.

Yup, so again, no OSU fan has ever said this.

to the extreme of 1-11 yes... but to say that OSU fans think it's a winning season regardless of the actual record... yes, they have said that.

Or even better, beat OU and win 8 other regular season games. But seriously, this is like 1990 thinking, OSU has hit double digit wins half the time the last 14 seasons with a chance to do it again this year.

The wildest thing to see this year is OU fans rooting for Texas. Pretty strange to see.

Not strange at all as OU fans do not want to lose out on a New Years 6 bowl. If OSU wins that could cause OU to slip out of the top 11. The top 11 in power 5 conferences are close to a sure thing to play in a major bowl. With Louisville losing OU will jump to 11 this week.