Literally everyone that knows college football? You're just talking in circles now. First it was no Big 12 team is close to being a consistent top 15 program. Now its oh well there is but no one knows about it lmao.

Just for Fun:
Texas final ranking since 2011

Unranked
19
Unranked
Unranked
Unranked
Unranked
Unranked
9
25
19
Unranked
25
7 (Current)

So Utah is not national powerhouse material but Texas is a top football school.
First, no!
Second, I've been extremely consistent. I said and will stick to the fact that not one of the future Big 12 teams have been or will in the foreseeable future be a consistent top 15 football program.
Third, I have absolutely no reason why you're using TU to argue against my point. I've not mentioned TU's record as an item of my point. And TU's poor record lately has nothing to do with the future Big 12 not having a nationally relevant team going forward.

It's the last Bedlam Football Friday, as fight songs were played today...a question for Oklahoma State, who becomes the generic rival in the fight song after this year?

"Beat OU" is usually chanted as the default in "Ride Em Cowboys" fight song when not directly playing an opponent.

It's the last Bedlam Football Friday, as fight songs were played today...a question for Oklahoma State, who becomes the generic rival in the fight song after this year?

"Beat OU" is usually chanted as the default in "Ride Em Cowboys" fight song when not directly playing an opponent.Good question. Nobody but OU has ever really cared about playing OSU. Even though we dominated!

Good question. Nobody but OU has ever really cared about playing OSU. Even though we dominated!

and OU doesn't really care that much in football

and OU doesn't really care that much in footballAfter listening to Bedlam talk all week on the radio I'm beginning to think I'm in the minority that will REALLY miss Bedlam.
A very good friend has a good sized group of OSU alum/fans that live for hoping they beat OU. They literally hate everything about OU and let it be known.
I have a similar OU group. We can't wait for the annual chance to embarrass OSU on the football field. They all feel the same about OSU as my friend's group feel about OU. Me probably the most. I've been in a number of heated discussions for my rooting against OSU.
The Texas game is bigger but not by much. I'm going to miss Bedlam.

I will miss bedlam, too. I hope at some point in the future, they can restart it - at least every couple of years.

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Kickoff ABC-TV 2:30 p.m.

I could see OSU vs Texas in Arlington. OSU should win out and even with a loss would have the tie breaker over OU, KU and K-State. IF OU wins out (big if with the way they’ve been playing) and Texas loses one game OU would play OSU again. Still a possibility, Texas isn’t playing very well either

New week 11 AP rankings for the Big 12

Texas 7
Oklahoma State 15
Oklahoma 17
Kansas 19

New week 11 AP rankings for the Big 12

Texas 7
Oklahoma State 15
Oklahoma 17
Kansas 19

new coaches poll rankings
texas 7
OU 16

osu 17
KU 18

Updated big 12 standings. I know there was some talk earlier in the year trying to figure out who the third best team in the big 12 was. I’d probably say Kansas at this point. Kansas State could also make a legit claim.

Texas 5-1 8-1
Oklahoma State 5-1 7-2
Kansas 4-2 7-2
Oklahoma 4-2 7-2
Kansas State 4-2 6-3
West Virginia 4-2 6-3
Iowa State 4-2 5-4
Texas Tech 3-3 4-5
TCU 2-4 4-5
Houston 2-4 4-5
BYU 2-4 5-4
Baylor 2-4 3-6
UCF 1-5 4-5
Cincinnati 0-6 2-7

Second round of the CFP rankings for the Big 12:

7. Texas
15. Oklahoma State
16. Kansas
17. Oklahoma
25. Kansas State

A very good friend has a good sized group of OSU alum/fans that live for hoping they beat OU. They literally hate everything about OU and let it be known.

this describes most osu fans in my experience .. (some (and i have heard this this week) would rather beat OU and go 2-10 then go 11-1 and lose to OU)

and your group is the minority of OU fans ..

this describes most osu fans in my experience .. (some (and i have heard this this week) would rather beat OU and go 2-10 then go 11-1 and lose to OU)

and your group is the minority of OU fans ..I agree with both of those points.

Of course…OSU beats us only to get stomped by UCF…hopefully they can hang in there and pull it out. Was hoping for at least the chance of a rematch (though OU winning out is far from a certainty as well).

1st domino has fallen for OU to make it to the championship. Need Texas to lose now or I guess OSU to lose twice.

Of course…OSU beats us only to get stomped by UCF…hopefully they can hang in there and pull it out. Was hoping for at least the chance of a rematch (though OU winning out is far from a certainty as well).

1st domino has fallen for OU to make it to the championship. Need Texas to lose now or I guess OSU to lose twice.

Kansas lost so Texas has to lose OR OSU has to lose twice and of course OU has to win out. Side not the Big 12 is pretty bad this year. Texas is like thank goodness we beat Bama. JS

Kansas lost so Texas has to lose OR OSU has to lose twice and of course OU has to win out. Side not the Big 12 is pretty bad this year. Texas is like thank goodness we beat Bama. JS

Yes…Kansas was the first domino I referred to.

OSU lost to UCF 45-3 and South Alabama 33-7. SMH OU should of rolled through the Big 12 ROLLED

There is nothing more quintessentially OSU than winning the last Bedlam Game of all-time only to follow it up by taking a smooth beatdown from a directional commuter school.

OSU lost to UCF 45-3 and South Alabama 33-7. SMH OU should of rolled through the Big 12 ROLLEDWhen OU is playing at their best this team is good. Unfortunately the last two weeks tonight's OU team didn't show up.

West Virgina Mountaineers 20 @ Oklahoma Sooners 59



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2zECJUn0EQ

Box score https://www.espn.com/college-football/boxscore/_/gameId/401525890



Attendance: 83,525

Just LOL @ OSU. Class of the big 12 now. Pathetic we "lost" to them. How many times did the bogus PI calls get mentioned during OU game last night. Also, OU and TX both lost penalty battle again yesterday. One of WV TD's came on the heels of 2 very ticky tacky PI calls. We have to play extremely clean because we're not going to get any other breaks for sure.

Just LOL @ OSU. Class of the big 12 now. Pathetic we "lost" to them. How many times did the bogus PI calls get mentioned during OU game last night. Also, OU and TX both lost penalty battle again yesterday. One of WV TD's came on the heels of 2 very ticky tacky PI calls. We have to play extremely clean because we're not going to get any other breaks for sure.On WVs first touchdown they showed a couple of times how "WV ran to the opposite side of Danny Stutsman and kept him away from the play". What kept Stutsman away from the play was an offensive lineman with his arm around his chest. WV ran the same play a few more times but Stutsman lined up further back from the line of scrimmage so he could move left or right before the lineman could get to him. He had another great night.
Also. I watched all of Mich - Penn St and Kansas - Tech plus parts of other games. I can't count on all my fingers and toes how many horribly obvious calls or no-calls were made. I know officials are part time and they're human. But if so many obvious mistakes were made by so many people at any place I've ever worked there would be retraining programs out the wazoo.

Bets on OU getting in the CCG? OU is in by winning out (at BYU, vs TCU) and either a Texas loss (at ISU, vs Tech) or OSU loss (at Houston, vs BYU)

Bets on OU getting in the CCG? OU is in by winning out (at BYU, vs TCU) and either a Texas loss (at ISU, vs Tech) or OSU loss (at Houston, vs BYU)
50/50
I think OU will handle their part. It's the "and" part that worries me. I think UT will win out. Can OSU stay focused enough after getting throttled by UCF? I don't know.
An OU vs either rematch would be a great game. A UT vs OSU would personally be really hard for me. I would hate rooting for either.
For the good of the conference it would be best for UT to win out and win the CCG. That's the only ice cube's chance at a Big12 team in the playoff.
But I hope big time that OU wins out, gets into and wins the CCG and plays USC in a bowl game to kick Riley's ***!

50/50
I think OU will handle their part. It's the "and" part that worries me. I think UT will win out. Can OSU stay focused enough after getting throttled by UCF? I don't know.
An OU vs either rematch would be a great game. A UT vs OSU would personally be really hard for me. I would hate rooting for either.
For the good of the conference it would be best for UT to win out and win the CCG. That's the only ice cube's chance at a Big12 team in the playoff.
But I hope big time that OU wins out, gets into and wins the CCG and plays USC in a bowl game to kick Riley's ***!

If OU wins out and gets a Sugar Bowl bid I doubt USC has the resume to get into a New Years Six game. Heck USC won't even make their CCG.

If OU wins out and gets a Sugar Bowl bid I doubt USC has the resume to get into a New Years Six game. Heck USC won't even make their CCG.

Yeah. I know. But a guy can dream.

Said it with OU say it with Texas the Big 12 is brining Texas down. Right now Texas needs a few teams around the country to lose or they don't make the playoffs. Right now Mich/Ohio St winner is in unless Iowa beats them in title game. FSU is in if they run the table (possible they don't) Washington/Oregon winner is in unless Washington losses and than beat Oregon again. Than the SEC Bama/Georgia winner in? Not sure how you keep Bama out if they beat Georgia. Texas playing a 3 loss team in the Big 12 title game is not good for them. Lot of football left but Texas is far from a lock getting in right now need other teams in front of them to lose. I want OSU undefeated. Washington/Oregon winner. FSU undefeated and than Bama beats Georgia and they committee has to chose Bama or Texas. Texas beat them but that was week 2?

Next year, Venerables will have some of his own recruits in the program. Looking forward to finishing up this season,
2024 our first year into the SEC will present new challenges in the most competitive conference in D-1.

Rah Oklahoma, OK U!

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Jonathan Brooks (UT’s lead back) is out for the season with an ACL tear so that certainly doesn’t help them next week but I feel like there’s at least a decent chance either Texas or OSU loses one over the next two weeks.

Next year, Venerables will have some of his own recruits in the program. Looking forward to finishing up this season,
2024 our first year into the SEC will present new challenges in the most competitive conference in D-1.

Rah Oklahoma, OK U!

.Yes! Next year the first recruits of the high rated classes of the last two classes will get serious playing time. I can't wait.
BOOMER SOONER!!!!!!

Jonathan Brooks (UT’s lead back) is our for the season with an ACL tear so that certainly doesn’t help them next week but I feel like there’s at least a decent chance either Texas or OSU loses one over the next two weeks.

Houston is bad but UCF wasn’t much better and they throttled OSU. The game is in Houston and you know Dana Holgerson will pull out all the stops. I could see OSU dropping this one. If they win they will likely go to the CCG as I don’t see them losing to BYU at home the following week.

A more likely scenario is that Texas loses this Saturday at Iowa State. The game is at night and the fans will be crazy - it will also be cold and Texas won’t have Brooks. If they make it out with a W they are likely going to the CCG.

Houston is bad but UCF wasn’t much better and they throttled OSU. The game is in Houston and you know Dana Holgerson will pull out all the stops. I could see OSU dropping this one. If they win they will likely go to the CCG as I don’t see them losing to BYU at home the following week.

A more likely scenario is that Texas loses this Saturday at Iowa State. The game is at night and the fans will be crazy - it will also be cold and Texas won’t have Brooks. If they make it out with a W they are likely going to the CCG.

I think Texas is much better off playing a 2 loss OU Team in Big 12 game than a 3 loss OSU team who lost badly not only to UCF but to South Alabama.

New week 11 AP rankings for the Big 12

Texas 7
Oklahoma State 15
Oklahoma 17
Kansas 19

Week 12 AP Rankings for the Big 12:

Texas 7
Oklahoma 14
Kansas St 23
Oklahoma St 24

Week 12 AP Rankings for the Big 12:

Texas 7
Oklahoma 14
Kansas St 23
Oklahoma St 24

NCAA.com predicts:
UT 7
OU 14
KU 23
K.S. 24

Not likely OSU is going to be in anyone's Top 25 with 2 horrible losses.

NCAA.com predicts:
UT 7
OU 14
KU 23
K.S. 24

Not likely OSU is going to be in anyone's Top 25 with 2 horrible losses.

All the more reason Texas needs OU in Big 12 title game and not an unranked team. Even Fitzpatrick on Fox 25 last night didn't think Texas was making the playoffs. They need a 2 loss pac 12 champion on an FSU loss

I'd love to see Texas left out of the CCG and another Bedlam. It's still possible - we'll know more after this weekend when OU goes to BYU, OSU goes to Houston and Texas goes to Iowa State.

I'd love to see Texas left out of the CCG and another Bedlam. It's still possible - we'll know more after this weekend when OU goes to BYU, OSU goes to Houston and Texas goes to Iowa State.

what is funny is that osu can win Out and OU can still be in the CCG over them ..

All the more reason Texas needs OU in Big 12 title game and not an unranked team. Even Fitzpatrick on Fox 25 last night didn't think Texas was making the playoffs. They need a 2 loss pac 12 champion on an FSU loss

Texas is in trouble with their star RB now out for the season with a torn ACL.

what is funny is that osu can win Out and OU can still be in the CCG over them ..
The Animal has spent the last hour going over CCG possibilities. There's actually still one that would put OU vs K-State. It would take OU and KSU winning out, OSU and UT losing both games and ISU and KU losing one game. Way out there but apparently still possible on paper.

I'd love to see Texas left out of the CCG and another Bedlam. It's still possible - we'll know more after this weekend when OU goes to BYU, OSU goes to Houston and Texas goes to Iowa State.

I do not want Sooners to face either team, I rather have the Jayhawks

The Animal has spent the last hour going over CCG possibilities. There's actually still one that would put OU vs K-State. It would take OU and KSU winning out, OSU and UT losing both games and ISU and KU losing one game. Way out there but apparently still possible on paper.

really only 3 things matter for OU (as long as OU wins the next 2 games)

UT loses OU is in

osu loses OU is in

Cinn upsets KU in the final and KSU/UT win out

KSU/OSU/OU tie for 2nd and OU wins that 3 way tie breaker via the win over ISU


and actually osu has a very difficult road to the big 12 championship game in any event ..

I do not want Sooners to face either team, I rather have the Jayhawks
If OU made the CCG and played like they did against UT or WV I wouldn't care who they play. OU would be all over any of them. If the OU showed up that played KU or OSU I'd need alcohol.
The ideal CCG to me would be OU-UT. Good way to say goodbye.

really only 3 things matter for OU (as long as OU wins the next 2 games)

UT loses OU is in

osu loses OU is in

Cinn upsets KU in the final and KSU/UT win out

KSU/OSU/OU tie for 2nd and OU wins that 3 way tie breaker via the win over ISU


and actually osu has a very difficult road to the big 12 championship game in any event ..

OSU will be favored by more than 7 in their last 2 games. Not a difficult road at all

OSU will be favored by more than 7 in their last 2 games. Not a difficult road at all

Going undefeated won’t be enough. They could win out and still miss if UT and Kansas dont also win out.

OSU will be favored by more than 7 in their last 2 games. Not a difficult road at all

OSU was favored last Saturday and lost by 42 points. An amazing running back couldn't break through a really bad run defense. The last two games could be pushovers. Or they could be really tough for OSU.

OSU will be favored by more than 7 in their last 2 games. Not a difficult road at all

winning out likely DOES NOT put them in the Big 12 championship game .. they lose all 3 way ties with OU and KSU .. for instance ..

Going undefeated won’t be enough. They could win out and still miss if UT and Kansas dont also win out.

osu actually needs UT to lose .. to really have any realistic shot

osu actually needs UT to lose .. to really have any realistic shot

i guess i'm not following that logic (and maybe i don't know how the big xii tie-breaking rules work)

texas is at the top with one loss. ou, osu, ksu, and isu each have two conference losses.

let's say that both texas and osu win their last two games. both texas and ksu have yet to play isu, so texas winning out eliminates isu.

that leaves a three-way tie between ou, osu, and ksu. osu won head-to-head against both ksu and ou, so i'd think that would be the first criteria to break the tie.

assuming either (but not both) ou or ksu drop a game, then there is a two-way tie between either ksu or ou and osu's head-to-head win breaks the tie.

so... i'm not seeing how a texas loss is needed for osu to go to the conference championship.

i guess i'm not following that logic (and maybe i don't know how the big xii tie-breaking rules work)

texas is at the top with one loss. ou, osu, ksu, and isu each have two conference losses.

let's say that both texas and osu win their last two games. both texas and ksu have yet to play isu, so texas winning out eliminates isu.

that leaves a three-way tie between ou, osu, and ksu. osu won head-to-head against both ksu and ou, so i'd think that would be the first criteria to break the tie.

assuming either (but not both) ou or ksu drop a game, then there is a two-way tie between either ksu or ou and osu's head-to-head win breaks the tie.

so... i'm not seeing how a texas loss is needed for osu to go to the conference championship.

https://bball.notnothing.net/big12.php?sport=fb

This site makes it a bit easier to understand all the tie breaks. You can input the last two games and see how it plays out.

i guess i'm not following that logic (and maybe i don't know how the big xii tie-breaking rules work)

texas is at the top with one loss. ou, osu, ksu, and isu each have two conference losses.

let's say that both texas and osu win their last two games. both texas and ksu have yet to play isu, so texas winning out eliminates isu.

that leaves a three-way tie between ou, osu, and ksu. osu won head-to-head against both ksu and ou, so i'd think that would be the first criteria to break the tie.

assuming either (but not both) ou or ksu drop a game, then there is a two-way tie between either ksu or ou and osu's head-to-head win breaks the tie.

so... i'm not seeing how a texas loss is needed for osu to go to the conference championship.I've read the new tie breaking rules a few times and I still don't get all of it. The BIG12 re-wrote the tie breaks based on the fact that not everyone played everyone else head to head. It makes it a bit more complicated.

https://bball.notnothing.net/big12.php?sport=fb

This site makes it a bit easier to understand all the tie breaks. You can input the last two games and see how it plays out.

thanks! that helps out a ton. that's such a weird three-way tie rule.

thanks! that helps out a ton. that's such a weird three-way tie rule.

it "seems" weird but it is pretty normal .. in a 3 team tie H2H doesn't matter unless all have played each other ..

Really it would make a lot more sense if the tie breaker was the highest ranked team in the CFP poll OR if none of the 3+ tied teams are ranked, move on to the convoluted formula they’re using as the first option. That’s the way it was in the BCS era and it ensured that the two teams with the best chance to make the national title game were in competing in the CCG.

thanks! that helps out a ton. that's such a weird three-way tie rule.

Wow that is definitely an interesting tie-breaker rule. I think it should look at head-to-head between all tied teams before automatically jumping to the next rule - they should change it for next season. However, it will be the most OSU/Gundy thing ever to tie with KSU and OU whilst beating them both head-to-head and still missing out. LOL

Wow that is definitely an interesting tie-breaker rule. I think it should look at head-to-head between all tied teams before automatically jumping to the next rule - they should change it for next season. However, it will be the most OSU/Gundy thing ever to tie with KSU and OU whilst beating them both head-to-head and still missing out. LOL

how do you look at head to head when all teams haven't played each other ????

Jenni Carlson article posted 145 PM:

https://selloutcrowd.com/the-latest/2023/11/14/the-big-12-tiebreaker-clarification-helps-osu-hurts-ou

how do you look at head to head when all teams haven't played each other ????

Because regardless of OU and KSU playing, its impossible for them to be 2-0 like OSU. At best the next team would be 1-1 and the other be 0-2.

That sellout article doesnt clear up much but I guess Trammell alludes to Big 12 clarifying OSU would win tie breaker in tomorrows call to schools? Cant really tell though.

Because regardless of OU and KSU playing, its impossible for them to be 2-0 like OSU. At best the next team would be 1-1 and the other be 0-2.

That sellout article doesnt clear up much but I guess Trammell alludes to Big 12 clarifying OSU would win tie breaker in tomorrows call to schools? Cant really tell though.

yes. trammell actually left me more confused. lol

Because regardless of OU and KSU playing, its impossible for them to be 2-0 like OSU. At best the next team would be 1-1 and the other be 0-2.

That sellout article doesnt clear up much but I guess Trammell alludes to Big 12 clarifying OSU would win tie breaker in tomorrows call to schools? Cant really tell though.

the big 12 is changing the tie breaker with 2 weeks left in the season ...

how very big 12 of them