Nope. Not exactly.

Most projections I see have the income on the SEC and Big 10 doubling the B12 and ACC by as early as 2026. With an extra $50 mil per team, those two conferences should dominate.

Houston just beat WVU. THE BIG 12 IS HORRIBLE. It's so bad I'm starting to think a 1 loss Big 12 Champion doesn't get in. SEC is always in. Big 10 will be in. One loss Pac 12 is in. Comes down to 1 loss ACC or 1 Loss Big 12 who do you take.

Houston just beat WVU. THE BIG 12 IS HORRIBLE. It's so bad I'm starting to think a 1 loss Big 12 Champion doesn't get in. SEC is always in. Big 10 will be in. One loss Pac 12 is in. Comes down to 1 loss ACC or 1 Loss Big 12 who do you take.

A 1-loss OU or Texas will absolutely get into the playoffs over a 1-loss PAC team. The only way a 1-loss OU/TX doesn’t get in to the playoff is if the PAC and ACC champ is undefeated. That scenario has never really come close to happening in the playoff era.

This simply is not true for as long as there are still 5 auto-bids to the 12 team playoff.
You keep telling yourself that.

It's 12 teams (waaaay too many) and they have to fill it with somebody. So that means you may get an Appy State in there someday. But if you think of Appy State as anything other than mid-major then there's not much that can be done for you.

the P5 is done anyway ...

it will soon be the P2 and everyone else ..

True

After the B1G and the SEC, nobody cares. The TV money for the leftover conferences is gonna dry up pretty quickly. The networks are going to see the numbers and realize when OU and Georgia play, everyone cares. When K State and Houston play, only their fans care and barely even that.

You keep telling yourself that.

It's 12 teams (waaaay too many) and they have to fill it with somebody. So that means you may get an Appy State in there someday. But if you think of Appy State as anything other than mid-major then there's not much that can be done for you.
Key part of this is the "as long as" part. Nothing is cast in stone. I can't imagine the automatic bid picture staying the same for long with no PAC, either no ACC or a very weak ACC when FSU and Clemson manage to leave and a weak Big12. The much higher rated 2nd, 3rd, 4th place SEC and Big10 teams are going to scream when they get left out of the playoff for unranked teams that simply won some conference championship. And when the SEC and Big10 have had enough and demand the bid system be reworked I don't see any way it doesn't get reworked.

Key part of this is the "as long as" part. Nothing is cast in stone. I can't imagine the automatic bid picture staying the same for long with no PAC, either no ACC or a very weak ACC when FSU and Clemson manage to leave and a weak Big12. The much higher rated 2nd, 3rd, 4th place SEC and Big10 teams are going to scream when they get left out of the playoff for unranked teams that simply won some conference championship. And when the SEC and Big10 have had enough and demand the bid system be reworked I don't see any way it doesn't get reworked.

the ACC grant of rights lasts until 2036

the ACC grant of rights lasts until 2036

When ACC added Stanford, Cal, and SMU; officials also mentioned they expected FSU and Clemson would have a negotiated exit within the next five years.

When ACC added Stanford, Cal, and SMU; officials also mentioned they expected FSU and Clemson would have a negotiated exit within the next five years.

what "officials"

no one from the ACC said that or fsu or clemson ..


they have no where to go ..

ESPN has their rights now they have 0 reason to want to pay them more money per year ..

they have no where to go ..

ESPN has their rights now they have 0 reason to want to pay them more money per year ..

I am not saying it makes sense, or have any kind of guaranteed landing spot. Though it also seems hard to imagine they would be putting in as much effort as seems they are and do not have any kind of indication would be accepted somewhere.

A 1-loss OU or Texas will absolutely get into the playoffs over a 1-loss PAC team. The only way a 1-loss OU/TX doesn’t get in to the playoff is if the PAC and ACC champ is undefeated. That scenario has never really come close to happening in the playoff era.


No way one loss Pac-12 champion gets left out this year. Way way too many good teams. Washington, Usc, Oregon, Utah, Oregon St, Washington St. Now they might beat up on one another and end up with 2 losses but a 1 loss Pac 12 is in this year. Now do they get in over a 1 loss ACC that I could see even though that conference is way better than the Big 12.

A 1-loss OU or Texas will absolutely get into the playoffs over a 1-loss PAC team. The only way a 1-loss OU/TX doesn’t get in to the playoff is if the PAC and ACC champ is undefeated. That scenario has never really come close to happening in the playoff era.

OU has a crappy SoS. A one loss OU team does not sniff the playoff.

It's pointless to make any concrete statements about a one-loss OU team's playoff hopes before the end of the season. If OU wins out, they are getting in for sure, but otherwise, there are so many other variables at play. For starters, if Texas wins out and beats OU in the Big XII Title Game, a 12-1 Texas is getting in over a 12-1 OU due to their win over Alabama. But if Texas drops another game down the stretch and then beats OU in the Big XII Title Game, a 12-1 OU could still get in even with a weak SOS if another P5 champ has multiple losses (this is exactly how TCU and OSU got in last year, with OSU not even winning the B1G East). Same deal if OU drops a game down the stretch but then beats Texas again in the Big XII Title Game (they might be in an even better position here given that they'd have a conference title and might be responsible for the only two losses of an 11-2 Texas team).

I am not saying it makes sense, or have any kind of guaranteed landing spot. Though it also seems hard to imagine they would be putting in as much effort as seems they are and do not have any kind of indication would be accepted somewhere.Exactly! We don't know what's discussed in backrooms. FSU especially would't be so vocal about getting out if they didn't think they could make it work.

OU has a crappy SoS. A one loss OU team does not sniff the playoff.

So does everyone else in the top 10 (coaches poll because the AP is absolute garbage) other than Texas and Alabama who are the only teams in the top 10 with a higher strength of schedule. If you use ESPN’s FPI metric, OU has the highest strength of record in the ncaa. Their pure strength of schedule played metric has OU at the highest of the currently undefeated teams at 27, the next highest is FSU at 47.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/fpi/_/view/resume

if they drop a random close game but still win the big 12 championship, especially if they have to beat Texas twice, they absolutely will go over one loss teams from the pac 12, ACC and possibly the big 10. Same for Texas if they win out and beat ou in a rematch. There hasn’t ever been undefeated teams from all 5 conferences and I don’t foresee that happening this year…everyone always has this conversation midway through the season and then even the good teams start dropping games and it all works itself out.

Desmond Howard opined today that the PAC 12 is the best fb conferance this year.
https://www.on3.com/news/desmond-howard-espn-college-gameday-pac-12-oregon-washington-sec/

I would tend to agree with Desmond. But it remains to be seen if someone can emerge from the Pac-12 gauntlet with one loss or fewer. Sometimes in the current playoff format, it's counterintuitively better to have two teams heads and shoulders above the rest like the Big XII appears to have this year. If the Big XII Title Game ends up being a 12-0 OU vs. an 11-1 Texas, you can almost guarantee that the winner of that is going to make the playoff.

Me too. Odd that arguably the best conference in college football won't exist next year. Their downfall this year could be beating each other and ruining their records.

SC plays Notre Dame. This should tell a lot about how good SC is.

I would tend to agree with Desmond. But it remains to be seen if someone can emerge from the Pac-12 gauntlet with one loss or fewer. Sometimes in the current playoff format, it's counterintuitively better to have two teams heads and shoulders above the rest like the Big XII appears to have this year. If the Big XII Title Game ends up being a 12-0 OU vs. an 11-1 Texas, you can almost guarantee that the winner of that is going to make the playoff.

That I would agree with but a 11-1 OU vs 11-1 Texas Texas is in if everyone else has one loss cause of Bama win. Not sure OU gets in. All I'm saying and no this most likely won't happen but if there are 5 conference champions all with just one loss OU is is trouble cause of their schedule. Only good win would be Texas and if they lost going into that game it means they lost to a below average team cause everyone in the Big 12 is Average to below average.

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Attendance: 53,855

SC plays Notre Dame. This should tell a lot about how good SC is.

Lincoln Riley is getting his $hit pushed in by a very mediocre Irish sports ball team.

Not a great look for him.

5 turnovers... usc completely imploded tonight.

5 turnovers... usc completely imploded tonight.

Watching USC implode tonight was as satisfying as an OU win. It made up for OUs bye week. ������

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Kansas Jayhawks 32 @ Oklahoma State Cowboys 39


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Attendance: 53,855

Agood win for OSU!

OSU could well be 5-1 or 6-0 if they hadn’t rolled with that absurd three QB rotation for a quarter of the season. Starting to think that might be OU’s toughest game out of the remaining schedule.

Lincoln Riley is getting his $hit pushed in by a very mediocre Irish sports ball team.

Not a great look for him.

Notre Dame is far from Mediocre but most people saw it coming. ND was actually favored going into that game.

Notre Dame is far from Mediocre but most people saw it coming. ND was actually favored going into that game.

They aren’t far from mediocre…they are mediocre, maybe on the upper end of it but they are not that good this year. Just got smacked by Louisville last week. They’re just okay.

They aren’t far from mediocre…they are mediocre, maybe on the upper end of it but they are not that good this year. Just got smacked by Louisville last week. They’re just okay.

They take Ohio St to the final Play, win at Duke, Beat USC. and you call that Mediocre? They had one bad game in a 4 game stretch against all ranked teams. Other than Texas what has Oklahoma really done this year. Oklahoma won't even sniff playing 4 ranked teams let alone 4 in a row. Notre Dame probably win the Big 12 depending on where they played OU and Texas

Other than Texas beating Alabama no one else in the Big 12 has a quality win. Tech lost to Oregon, Iowa St lost to Iowa, Kansas St lost to Missouri, WVU lost to Penn St, Baylor lost to Utah. Oklahoma really can't afford a loss. Their Schedule and conference isn't going to match up well if there are other teams with one loss in the mix. What happen if Bama keeps winning takes out Georgia. Georgia schedule hasn't been great but the conference is better. Big Ten is only a 3 team league but those 3 teams are legit so Even if they all lose to one another the Big 10 champion is in.

They take Ohio St to the final Play, win at Duke, Beat USC. and you call that Mediocre? They had one bad game in a 4 game stretch against all ranked teams. Other than Texas what has Oklahoma really done this year. Oklahoma won't even sniff playing 4 ranked teams let alone 4 in a row. Notre Dame probably win the Big 12 depending on where they played OU and Texas

I’ve watched all their games. They have a decent defense. When Sam Hartman plays well, they have a good offense…but that hasn’t happened very often. Mediocre may be a little harsh but I don’t think they’re a great team whatsoever.

Oklahoma beat the number 3 team in the country on a neutral field, has allowed 14 points per game while scoring over 45, has absolutely destroyed 3 teams (all FBS, one power 5), controlled the Cincy and SMU games from start to finish, controlled most of the Texas game and has covered the spread every week. Per ESPN’s stats, DG is third in QBR, OU has the best win of any team in the country, the highest strength of resume, is second in overall efficiency and second on their FPI rankings which is adjusted for strength of schedule. That is all way more than what ND has done…and ND has 2 losses…you have to win the games on your schedule.Notre Dame would be 3rd in the Big 12, they are not near as complete of team as OU and Texas are but their schedule is pretty easy from here on out so they’ll probably go undefeated and end up in an NY6 bowl.

Assuming that there aren’t 4 undefeated teams, ou or Texas will go to the CFP with one loss as long as they win the big 12. There’s also a scenario where OU would likely go if their only loss was to a 2 loss team in the big 12 championship game. I am extremely confident in that statement based on literally everything that has ever happened since they playoff’s inception.

Alabama almost dropped a game to a bad Arkansas team at home yesterday. I have a tough time seeing them either winning their remaining games or beating Georgia. Their offense is bad…they are going to drop another game at some point.

So out of curiosity what team are you going to leave out if the SEC pac-12 Big ten and ACC Florida State all have one loss but win their conference tournament and Oklahoma loses a game at which point would be horrible which team who are you going to leave out and why. Alabama or Georgia. Let's say Michigan or Ohio State. Washington or Oregon. And Florida State. Which one of those teams are you leaving out and why?

So out of curiosity what team are you going to leave out if the SEC pac-12 Big ten and ACC Florida State all have one loss but win their conference tournament and Oklahoma loses a game at which point would be horrible which team who are you going to leave out and why. Alabama or Georgia. Let's say Michigan or Ohio State. Washington or Oregon. And Florida State. Which one of those teams are you leaving out and why?

It’s really hard to call it at this point in the season without knowing who each team lost to, how they lost, how they won the rest of their games, who they beat, what the teams on their schedule do in the next 6 games, and the record of the team they end up playing in their championship game. Purely based on remaining strength of schedule (as of today), which doesn’t factor in the championship game yet, probably FSU by a hair. FSU has the worst remaining strength of schedule of all the teams you mention and the worst out of all the remaining undefeated and one loss teams. OU also has a narrow edge over them in current strength of schedule. Their win at home vs number 5 LSU doesn’t look as good as a true neutral site win over number 3 Texas. There’s still a ton of football left to be played though. My point is that this conversation comes up every season at this point and aside from years in which a conference with a one loss champion didn’t have a conference championship game to use as a data point (see Baylor in 2014), there hasn’t ended up being an issue after conference championships were played. The only selections that were really close were

2017: UCF was undefeated but played one fewer game than everyone else due to a hurricane and it’s best win was against a ranked G5 team (Memphis #20). Didn’t have any quality wins vs P5 teams and got left out.

2018: 12-1 big 12 champion OU vs 12-1 Big 10 champion Ohio St in which the deciding factor was a full strength Ohio St team getting destroyed by Purdue vs OU’s only loss being a close one to Texas which it avenged soundly in the Big 12 championship.

2021: 11-1 Notre Dame vs 13-0 AAC Champion Cincinnati. Notre Dame might have gone ahead of Cincy had their only loss not been to Cincy.

What if OU’s loss is by one point at OSU who wins out and OU beats them by 30 on a neutral field in the championship game? Maybe DG was injured and didnt play during the loss but is back in the championship game. What if OU loses on a fluke play or at worst a close game to a mediocre team but soundly beats everyone else on its schedule including a top 5 Texas team in the championship game? What if Texas drops a close game to KSU, OU throttles every other team on its schedule but loses the championship game by a field goal to a 10-2 Texas team they already beat earlier in the season? What if Texas destroys every team remaining on their schedule and avenges their loss to OU by 3 points in the big 12 championship? What if Duke wins out and their only loss is 7 points to ND? What if Georgia’s one loss is by 30 to Georgia Tech? What if Alabama wins out and OU loses a close game in a snow storm at BYU but Bama’s only loss was at home to Texas who OU beat twice on a neutral field? In that scenario, did Alabama look as shaky on offense as they have all season during their wins…does OU win all of its games outside of BYU by 20-30 points? What if FSU loses at Wake Forest (the worst team on its remaining schedule), OU loses at OSU (a rivalry game) and both teams win out? How would any of those scenarios be viewed vs the other conference champions and the hundreds of scenarios that could play out with them?

There are just way too many variables and potential scenarios at this point to make that call exactly halfway through the season and it’s proven time and time again to be a completely pointless situation to fret over until after the conference championships have been played. In all likelihood, this will work itself out and there will be a fairly indisputable slate of undefeated or one loss teams in the playoff. Fortunately, this is the last season that a truly deserving team has even a remote chance of being left out.

There is a lot of football left to be played but you're missing out the one big point ou loses to one of the crappy Big 12 teams that they have left they're going to be in trouble making the playoffs. There's a reason no other Big 12 team is sniffing the top 25 right now if they lose to Oklahoma State even by a point that's a bad loss because of Oklahoma St lost the South Alabama they really need another team to emerge as the third best team in the conference. you talk about strength of schedule on paper they might have a good schedule but eyeball test on TV when Florida state's playing at Duke you got all the Big 10 teams left to play one another Washington still has about three top 20 teams to play and there's still other teams working like North Carolina. Bottom line is Oklahoma wins out they're fine they have a loss they're going to need some help from other conferences as far as Texas they are in as a one loss Big 12 champion because of their win at Alabama

There is a lot of football left to be played but you're missing out the one big point ou loses to one of the crappy Big 12 teams that they have left they're going to be in trouble making the playoffs. There's a reason no other Big 12 team is sniffing the top 25 right now if they lose to Oklahoma State even by a point that's a bad loss because of Oklahoma St lost the South Alabama they really need another team to emerge as the third best team in the conference. you talk about strength of schedule on paper they might have a good schedule but eyeball test on TV when Florida state's playing at Duke you got all the Big 10 teams left to play one another Washington still has about three top 20 teams to play and there's still other teams working like North Carolina. Bottom line is Oklahoma wins out they're fine they have a loss they're going to need some help from other conferences as far as Texas they are in as a one loss Big 12 champion because of their win at Alabama

I’m not missing any point. Nothing you said disputes anything I said in my post. OU loses a close game to a random team on the remaining schedule but wins out, they most likely have two top 5 wins (which contrary to FSU vs Duke…will be much more publicized/viewed games) on their schedule which in all likelihood will be more than any other team in the NCAA. In that scenario, they will still most likely get in based on everything I said above. Strength of schedule “on paper” is one of the metrics the playoff committee uses. I have 9 years of playoff history, 4 directly involving OU teams that lost to subpar teams during the season but won the big 12, to back that opinion up.

Saying that no big 12 team “is sniffing the top 25 right now” is a big stretch. Kansas was ranked number 23 in the AP and 24 in the coaches poll until they lost in the last second to OSU two days ago and lost both of their games without their starting QB. Kansas, OSU, Kansas St, and West Virginia all received votes in the AP and Coaches polls this week. If any of those teams string together a few wins, they very well might jump into the rankings.

If OSU only has 2 or 3 loses at the end of the season and narrowly beats OU in Stillwater, that won’t be viewed as a bad loss since it’s an away game and a rivalry game. Doesn’t matter who OSU lost to early on. Hell they ended the season ranked 11 after losing to a bad Central Michigan early in the 2016 season. They might be ranked by the time we play them, they made it all the way back up to number 10 before bedlam during that season.

Bottom line: we have 9 years worth of history showing that the only time a one loss power 5 team that won its conference championship game was left out was due to an absolutely terrible blowout loss and the team that jumped them avenging its only loss in its championship game. If OU gets beaten 50-20 by anyone left on their schedule they will get left out…and deservedly so but most likely will not due to a close loss. We also have 9 years of playoff history showing that this discussion is extremely premature and that the situation will most likely work itself out.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-football/news/college-football-playoff-picture-oklahoma-texas-left-out/42fb70bc854c811446929958 They will look at who beat whom but they will also look at over all conference and the BIG 12 SUCKS. Outside of Texas beating Bama what is the best win the Big 12 has. Big 12 also has some horrible losses. It's a Horrible conference and a loss by either OU or Texas will have them on the outside looking in. Won't matter if it's a close loss or not. I'm looking at overall conference and so will the selection committee and when they start talking and looking at the Big 12 they will probably just laugh.

https://247sports.com/longformarticle/college-football-playoff-scenarios-charting-every-contenders-path-to-the-2023-final-four-218195974/#2270932 Look who they have 5th. Same will apply if all those teams have 1 lose but all all conference champions. It's no cause OU is capable of winning it all it's cause of the Big 12 conference. Any loss to anyone left on their schedule is going to hurt

Chaos scenario: Unless it's Texas, we don't think a one-loss Big 12 champion will be in the final four. Oklahoma doesn't have the quality non-conference win against an elite opponent like the Longhorns possess. Winning out needs to be the only goal for the Sooners and Brent Venables.

Again, those articles are the same speculative stuff that is written every year at this point and that has so far been irrelevant by the end of the regular season 8 of 9 times.

Based on your posts, I’m pretty confident that you have no idea what the playoff committee is or isn’t going to look at LOL but hopefully OU just wins out and it doesn’t matter.

This will be a wild weekend for the big 12. There are currently 5 teams tied for first with 4 of those 5 teams playing each other Saturday. Also, the 5th first place team (Iowa State) is playing a surging Kansas team. Whoever gets through this weekend with a win will be able to coast right through to the Big 12 Championship game. A loss all but guarantees you will be left out of it.

Again, those articles are the same speculative stuff that is written every year at this point and that has so far been irrelevant by the end of the regular season 8 of 9 times.

Based on your posts, I’m pretty confident that you have no idea what the playoff committee is or isn’t going to look at LOL but hopefully OU just wins out and it doesn’t matter.
Speaking of the committee 11 of the top 12 teams will be in the SEC or BIG10 next year. Pretty clear that there will most likely be a "Power 2" and then everybody else. If the ACC and the Big12 were smart they would merge and gain some hope of there being a "Power 3".

Speaking of the committee 11 of the top 12 teams will be in the SEC or BIG10 next year. Pretty clear that there will most likely be a "Power 2" and then everybody else. If the ACC and the Big12 were smart they would merge and gain some hope of there being a "Power 3".

The winner of the Big 12 next year will be in the playoff. The winner of the Big 12 this year will not be in the playoff.

The winner of the Big 12 next year will be in the playoff. The winner of the Big12 this year will not be in the playoff.Yes, the Big 12 winner will be in the 12 team playoff starting next year. But will it matter. As the future goes on and the top recruits/portal transfers will want to go where the best NIL money and exposure to NFL scouts are going to be. That will be the SEC and Big10. Leaving the ACC and Big12 as little sisters. This is almost certainly how it will play out.

Yes, the Big 12 winner will be in the 12 team playoff starting next year. But will it matter. As the future goes on and the top recruits/portal transfers will want to go where the best NIL money and exposure to NFL scouts are going to be. That will be the SEC and Big10. Leaving the ACC and Big12 as little sisters. This is almost certainly how it will play out.

SEC fans think this has already played out and that all other conferences are already little sisters and have been for the last 25 years. So has OU football been irrelevant for the last 2 decades because they haven't been in the SEC?

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SEC fans think this has already played out and that all other conferences are already little sisters and have been for the last 25 years. So has OU football been irrelevant for the last 2 decades because they haven't been in the SEC?

The past doesn't matter. Next season starts an almost complete reset of major college football. Especially as far as the hierarchy of Power conferences goes.

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SEC fans think this has already played out and that all other conferences are already little sisters and have been for the last 25 years. So has OU football been irrelevant for the last 2 decades because they haven't been in the SEC?

Not irrelevant, because OU was in the playoff 4 times and in contention for the playoff a couple of other years. That being said, OU did not win a national championship in those decades, despite absolutely dominating the BIG 12 conference.

But, no one can objectively deny that the SEC has been the dominant conference in the playoff era. It has had the most teams in the playoffs, the most wins, and the most championships. And the SEC champion has never been left out of the 4 team playoff. The good news for conferences that are not the SEC or BIG 10, is that now their champion will make the playoffs and at least have an "any given Sunday (Saturday)" chance at a championship.

Next season starts an almost complete reset of major college football.

Exactly. It'll be completely different. I'm not sure we've even fully grasped how different. It feels like, in the SEC and BIG 10, teams will be playing for seeding in the playoffs and they'll obviously want to win the conference for that purpose, but it's not the end of their season if they don't. For other conferences, winning the conference is a must for the automatic bid. Kind of like in basketball.

Not irrelevant, because OU was in the playoff 4 times and in contention for the playoff a couple of other years. That being said, OU did not win a national championship in those decades, despite absolutely dominating the BIG 12 conference.

But, no one can objectively deny that the SEC has been the dominant conference in the playoff era. It has had the most teams in the playoffs, the most wins, and the most championships. And the SEC champion has never been left out of the 4 team playoff. The good news for conferences that are not the SEC or BIG 10, is that now their champion will make the playoffs and at least have an "any given Sunday (Saturday)" chance at a championship.

So, the reason OU hasn't won a national title in 20 plus years is because they have been in the Big 12?

So, the reason OU hasn't won a national title in 20 plus years is because they have been in the Big 12?

Huh?

No, that's because they didn't win any playoff games in four appearances and lost three BCS championship.

But, one could make that argument, given that, in that time, only two other teams have represented the Big 12 in the BCS championship or cfp, and they didn't win a championship, either.

There's an easily made association there, but I don't think one can definitively prove causation. However, no objective person can say that the SEC and Big 10 haven't outperformed the Big 12 nationally in that time. That's just the results.

So, the reason OU hasn't won a national title in 20 plus years is because they have been in the Big 12?
Not necessarily. But there's solid evidence of the SEC dominating the national championship. From OU's 2000 championship to 2022 here's the number of championships by conference.
PAC 1.5
Big12 2
Big10 2
ACC 4
SEC 13.5
For some reason 2003 has LSU and SC both listed as champion. Hence the two half championships.

Not necessarily. But there's solid evidence of the SEC dominating the national championship. From OU's 2000 championship to 2022 here's the number of championships by conference.
PAC 1.5
Big12 2
Big10 2
ACC 4
SEC 13.5
For some reason 2003 has LSU and SC both listed as champion. Hence the two half championships.

This also demonstrates the myth of the Big 10, which I basically contributed to in my post above. lol

Not necessarily. But there's solid evidence of the SEC dominating the national championship. From OU's 2000 championship to 2022 here's the number of championships by conference.
PAC 1.5
Big12 2
Big10 2
ACC 4
SEC 13.5
For some reason 2003 has LSU and SC both listed as champion. Hence the two half championships.

Yes I agree with you that the SEC has dominated. My question is what is going to be the massive shift next year? The same couple of schools in the SEC will fight for a national championship. The Big 12 will fight to put a team in the playoff and try not get blown out in it. Thats the way it will be next year just like it’s been for the last 15 years.

Yes I agree with you that the SEC has dominated. My question is what is going to be the massive shift next year? The same couple of schools in the SEC will fight for a national championship. The Big 12 will fight to put a team in the playoff and try not get blown out in it. Thats the way it will be next year just like it’s been for the last 15 years.
The difference will be. No PAC. An even weaker Big12. And if FSU manages to leave the ACC a very weak ACC. The weak get weaker. The SEC and the Big10 get stronger. Not just in football domination but in ability control the direction of major college sports if they so desire.

My question is what is going to be the massive shift next year?

big10 and sec schools will be making more then double per year then everyone else .. (the Big 10 will make the most )

The difference will be. No PAC. An even weaker Big12. And if FSU manages to leave the ACC a very weak ACC. The weak get weaker. The SEC and the Big10 get stronger. Not just in football domination but in ability control the direction of major college sports if they so desire.

The Big 12 won't be weaker next year. They will get 4 teams from the PAC, be the third best football conference, have a guaranteed playoff spot, and will make more money per team then they did when OU and Texas were in the conference. The Big 12 will be in an objectively stronger position next year than it is this year.


1. OU is leaving the Big 12 for a stronger conference next year.

2. The Big 12 will be a stronger conference next year.

Both of these things can be true at the same time.

The Big 12 won't be weaker next year. They will get 4 teams from the PAC, be the third best football conference, have a guaranteed playoff spot, and will make more money per team then they did when OU and Texas were in the conference. The Big 12 will be in an objectively stronger position next year than it is this year.


1. OU is leaving the Big 12 for a stronger conference next year.

2. The Big 12 will be a stronger conference next year.

Both of these things can be true at the same time.The "new" Big 12 would perennial Utah at 18th as the highest ranked football team. And Utah isn't good every year. It's already been hard and it's going to get harder and harder for Big 12 teams to recruit and retain top players. OU has had the two best recruiting years in a long time because the players want to play in the SEC. They will be weaker and most likely get even weaker as time goes on. Not one of the 16 teams is on the brink of being a perennial top 10 or 15 team.

The "new" Big 12 would perennial Utah at 18th as the highest ranked football team. And Utah isn't good every year. It's already been hard and it's going to get harder and harder for Big 12 teams to recruit and retain top players. OU has had the two best recruiting years in a long time because the players want to play in the SEC. They will be weaker and most likely get even weaker as time goes on. Not one of the 16 teams is on the brink of being a perennial top 10 or 15 team.

only thing i can say that might change this would be with the Big 12 still having Tech TCU and Baylor, if this gets a team like Utah the ability to pull some better recruits out of Texas. currently their roster is mostly Cali guys. so if they could get a mix of both, then they might be a team to make that jump... but only might

The "new" Big 12 would perennial Utah at 18th as the highest ranked football team. And Utah isn't good every year. It's already been hard and it's going to get harder and harder for Big 12 teams to recruit and retain top players. OU has had the two best recruiting years in a long time because the players want to play in the SEC. They will be weaker and most likely get even weaker as time goes on. Not one of the 16 teams is on the brink of being a perennial top 10 or 15 team.

You're looking at ranking from one week to base your entire premise on. TCU literally played in the CFP last year and is the only Big 12 team to ever win a playoff game. The Big 12 would have put multiple teams in the 12 team playoff format in 2021 and 2022 (neither being OU or Texas) Utah is the 2 time defending PAC 12 champs and Oklahoma State has the 10th best winning percentage in the country over the last 10 years.

You're looking at ranking from one week to base your entire premise on. TCU literally played in the CFP last year and is the only Big 12 team to ever win a playoff game. The Big 12 would have put multiple teams in the 12 team playoff format in 2021 and 2022 (neither being OU or Texas) Utah is the 2 time defending PAC 12 champs and Oklahoma State has the 10th best winning percentage in the country over the last 10 years.No. Not even close. I'm looking at the last 10, 15 seasons. OSU does have a good winning percentage. How many non-OSU followers know that? What have they done with it? One run at the playoff. A few runs at the Big 12 championship and one Big 12 championship in 2011. With that kind of winning percentage they should have more championships under their belt. TCU has had a couple of good years. Same for Utah. Tech, Baylor, Kansas, K-State, Iowa State, even WV have a good year or two occasionally. Not one is regularly relevant nationally.
Utah final CFP ranking since joining the PAC in 2011:
Unranked
Unranked
Unranked
22
22
19
Unranked
17
11
Unranked
11
8
18 (Currently)
Not national powerhouse material. And, again, it's likely to be much harder for them to recruit/retain players in the Big 12.

The Big 12 won't be weaker next year. They will get 4 teams from the PAC, be the third best football conference, have a guaranteed playoff spot, and will make more money per team then they did when OU and Texas were in the conference. The Big 12 will be in an objectively stronger position next year than it is this year.


1. OU is leaving the Big 12 for a stronger conference next year.

2. The Big 12 will be a stronger conference next year.

Both of these things can be true at the same time.

How in the world will the big 12 be a stronger conference next year than it is this year when 2 of their top athletic schools are leaving (that are the only teams in the top 10 currently and includes the only team that consistently made the playoff) and are being replaced by 4 schools that combined don’t reach the level of success or brand recognition that one of the schools leaving does?

The big 12 will still be a good conference. I think there is a lot to like about it (I think they should go there Oregon at and Washington st too) and it will be a lot of fun to watch. Yormark is the type of guy that should’ve been running the conference a long time ago and has done a great job resurrecting this thing but make no mistake, they will lose national relevance with OU and Texas departing. It’s wishful thinking to say that a conference is not only going to be alright, but will actually be stronger with its best two brands leaving. That is an objective take.

Now if you want to say its stronger as a basketball conference than it is now, I would be inclined to agree.

No. Not even close. I'm looking at the last 10, 15 seasons. OSU does have a good winning percentage. How many non-OSU followers know that? What have they done with it? One run at the playoff. A few runs at the Big 12 championship and one Big 12 championship in 2011. With that kind of winning percentage they should have more championships under their belt. TCU has had a couple of good years. Same for Utah. Tech, Baylor, Kansas, K-State, Iowa State, even WV have a good year or two occasionally. Not one is regularly relevant nationally.
Utah final CFP ranking since joining the PAC in 2011:
Unranked
Unranked
Unranked
22
22
19
Unranked
17
11
Unranked
11
8
18 (Currently)
Not national powerhouse material. And, again, it's likely to be much harder for them to recruit/retain players in the Big 12.

Literally everyone that knows college football? You're just talking in circles now. First it was no Big 12 team is close to being a consistent top 15 program. Now its oh well there is but no one knows about it lmao.

Just for Fun:
Texas final ranking since 2011

Unranked
19
Unranked
Unranked
Unranked
Unranked
Unranked
9
25
19
Unranked
25
7 (Current)

So Utah is not national powerhouse material but Texas is a top football school.