I recognize hyperbole when I see it. Beville is like a big statue back there with no arms.

Lol, it may be hyperbole but not by much.

Current Big 12 didn't have a great weekend. It's a pretty horrible conference. Cincinnati but give OU issue but still should be a win for them. Really every game other than Texas they should be favored. Who is 3rd best team in the Big 12. UCF? BYU? It's Texas OU and ?

I would still say K State is 3rd. Tough game to go to Missouri and win a close game. Kansas probably next.

Two outgoing teams are the only ones ranked, not exactly what Brett Yormark wanted:

https://sports.yahoo.com/social-media-reacts-ou-texas-211911288.html#:~:text=After%20Kansas%20State%20lo st%20to,the%20polls%20following%20Week%203.

Current Big 12 didn't have a great weekend. It's a pretty horrible conference. Cincinnati but give OU issue but still should be a win for them. Really every game other than Texas they should be favored. Who is 3rd best team in the Big 12. UCF? BYU? It's Texas OU and ?

I'm giving the nod to BYU. Winning in Fayetville is the biggest win among those not OU or Texas.

Two outgoing teams are the only ones ranked, not exactly what Brett Yormark wanted:

https://sports.yahoo.com/social-media-reacts-ou-texas-211911288.html#:~:text=After%20Kansas%20State%20lo st%20to,the%20polls%20following%20Week%203.

True. He should probably kick all these new teams out then since they arent ranked in week 3 of the 2023 season.

Current Big 12 didn't have a great weekend. It's a pretty horrible conference. Cincinnati but give OU issue but still should be a win for them. Really every game other than Texas they should be favored. Who is 3rd best team in the Big 12. UCF? BYU? It's Texas OU and ?

I kind of expect we are now seeing after effects of the conference looking like it was dying two years ago for the remaining eight, that could not have helped recruiting or transfers at the time.

The SEC and the B1G are the only conferences that are truly going to survive this transition period. The ACC, PAC, and Big 12 are going to end up forming a third super conference and I don't see another way around it currently.

The SEC and the B1G are the only conferences that are truly going to survive this transition period. The ACC, PAC, and Big 12 are going to end up forming a third super conference and I don't see another way around it currently.

the Pac is already dead .... it is the sleep walking pac 2 currently .. the ACC GOR ends in 2036


there is now the Big 2 then the next 2 then everyone else ..

They got so good players in. They have some legit good players on that team. They are proving you can build a team through the portal. We really haven't seen anyone build a team through the portal before. What I'm saying though is 55 yards rushing vs TCU and only 72 today isn't beating a good legit team and sorry TCU and Nebraska are not very good teams. Let's see if they can keep it respectable vs Oregon in 2 weeks

35-0 at halftime is far from Respectable. Can we now bring the Hype down to a normal level

The refs tried their hardest to give Cincy the win and keep the game close. It was pathetic, and something OU will see all season. Bitter Big 12 will stick it to OU all season.

The refs tried their hardest to give Cincy the win and keep the game close. It was pathetic, and something OU will see all season. Bitter Big 12 will stick it to OU all season.
I really, REALLY try to not talk about officiating. But there was a play that Cinci was 3rd and long and threw a long pass to the right sideline. The receiver almost bear hugged our defender and the official called defensive pass interference.

I really, REALLY try to not talk about officiating. But there was a play that Cinci was 3rd and long and threw a long pass to the right sideline. The receiver almost bear hugged our defender and the official called defensive pass interference.

The same for the 50 yard pass completion to Anthony where he was grabbed, arm locked and pushed with no flag thrown on the defender.

The same for the 50 yard pass completion to Anthony where he was grabbed, arm locked and pushed with no flag thrown on the defender.
Yeah. That one was horrible too!

Pretty respectable game from future b12 member Arizona.

They pushed the Snake to 3 OTs in The Coliseum.

I think I asked this like 2 weeks ago. Do we know who the 3rd best team is in the Big 12. WVU maybe? The OU Texas Big 12 championship game could very very very likely be for a spot in the final 4. I really don't see how OU or Texas lose another game in this awful and sorry it's awful conference.

I think I asked this like 2 weeks ago. Do we know who the 3rd best team is in the Big 12. WVU maybe? The OU Texas Big 12 championship game could very very very likely be for a spot in the final 4. I really don't see how OU or Texas lose another game in this awful and sorry it's awful conference.

WV maybe.

Iowa State looks as good as anyone, excluding OU and Texas.

Really, all the teams after those two all look very mediocre. The four new-ads (BYU, Cincy, UCF and Houston) all look pretty poor.

The last Bedlam on paper should be an OU win but OSU just beat a pretty decent K-State team and maybe has figured out their QB situation. I don’t care what anyone says that will be a tough game for OU in Stillwater on Nov 4. A win over OU in the last Bedlam would be the biggest in OSU program history

I think I asked this like 2 weeks ago. Do we know who the 3rd best team is in the Big 12. WVU maybe? The OU Texas Big 12 championship game could very very very likely be for a spot in the final 4. I really don't see how OU or Texas lose another game in this awful and sorry it's awful conference.
I think Kansas probably is if they get their qb Jalen Daniels back. Possibly BYU is up there. Either way, there is a large talent gap between the top 2 and the rest of the conference.

WV maybe.

Iowa State looks as good as anyone, excluding OU and Texas.

Really, all the teams after those two all look very mediocre. The four new-ads (BYU, Cincy, UCF and Houston) all look pretty poor.

The new additions remind me a lot of WVU and TCU when they came into Big XII a decade ago, this set may have had more time to prepare before coming in, but it seems likely any G5 is either going to take at least a few seasons to draw higher tier prospects and build depth through traditional recruiting or would have to be really active in the portal coming in. Plus they are only now getting the funds to try to expand coaching/support staffs to the same level as most of the conference.

The last Bedlam on paper should be an OU win but OSU just beat a pretty decent K-State team and maybe has figured out their QB situation. I don’t care what anyone says that will be a tough game for OU in Stillwater on Nov 4. A win over OU in the last Bedlam would be the biggest in OSU program history

While big as the last bedlam for the foreseeable future, I think the win they grabbed in ?2011? against OU that sent them with an outright Big 12 Championship and almost to the national championship game was the biggest bedlam win.

The last Bedlam on paper should be an OU win but OSU just beat a pretty decent K-State team and maybe has figured out their QB situation. I don’t care what anyone says that will be a tough game for OU in Stillwater on Nov 4. A win over OU in the last Bedlam would be the biggest in OSU program history

lol OU will roll them .. as they usually do for the last 100+ years

osu seemed to benefit from their bye week... they looked way more in sync against k-state than they have in any other game so far this season. i'm not sure they're going to improve enough to beat ou, though... but they'll definitely try to bring their a-game.

lol OU will roll them .. as they usually do for the last 100+ years

Hard to see this OSU team not getting walloped by this OU team but it’s not like they’re going to conjure up the spirits of the 1904 and 1907 teams to help them.

Hard to see this OSU team not getting walloped by this OU team but it’s not like they’re going to conjure up the spirits of the 1904 and 1907 teams to help them.

I said the same thing in 2001, 2002, and 2017. They'll be ready to play...just hope OU is more ready lol.

I said the same thing in 2001, 2002, and 2017. They'll be ready to play...just hope OU is more ready lol.
^ This!

I said the same thing in 2001, 2002, and 2017. They'll be ready to play...just hope OU is more ready lol.

True, if outcomes were guaranteed then they wouldn’t play the games.

I said the same thing in 2001, 2002, and 2017. They'll be ready to play...just hope OU is more ready lol.

*2014. That was the infamous Tyreek Hill punt return and OT loss. In the past 25 years only in 2011 and 2021 did OSU have better teams than the Sooners and won. 2001, 2002 and 2014 were legitimate upsets

*2014. That was the infamous Tyreek Hill punt return and OT loss. In the past 25 years only in 2011 and 2021 did OSU have better teams than the Sooners and won. 2001, 2002 and 2014 were legitimate upsetsYeah. Being a Dolphins fan since year one it's been really hard for me to root for Tyreek Hill on Sundays. But I'm sucking it up for my Fins!

*2014. That was the infamous Tyreek Hill punt return and OT loss. In the past 25 years only in 2011 and 2021 did OSU have better teams than the Sooners and won. 2001, 2002 and 2014 were legitimate upsets

yep. I fat fingered that. Meant 2014

*2014. That was the infamous Tyreek Hill punt return and OT loss. In the past 25 years only in 2011 and 2021 did OSU have better teams than the Sooners and won. 2001, 2002 and 2014 were legitimate upsets

Disagree. Caleb Williams alone made OU better in 2021. I was at the game and am an OSU alum. Playcalling was horrible for OU all game. Talent level was better on OU's side.

Disagree. Caleb Williams alone made OU better in 2021. I was at the game and am an OSU alum. Playcalling was horrible for OU all game. Talent level was better on OU's side.

There is no doubt OU was more talented in 2021. Remember that Riley bolted to LA 12 hours after the OSU game. His bags were already packed. There is no way that snake wanted to play in the Big 12 championship the next week. You can not convince me otherwise.

If it weren't for all the dirty hits, I'd almost feel bad for tcu. They thought they were joining a P5 conference only to find themselves back in the WAC. Going forward, if you aren't in the B1G or the SEC, you're in a mid-major conference. Thems the harsh realities.

If it weren't for all the dirty hits, I'd almost feel bad for tcu. They thought they were joining a P5 conference only to find themselves back in the WAC. Going forward, if you aren't in the B1G or the SEC, you're in a mid-major conference. Thems the harsh realities.

This simply is not true for as long as there are still 5 auto-bids to the 12 team playoff.

This simply is not true for as long as there are still 5 auto-bids to the 12 team playoff.

this is why WSU and Oregon State just need to stay as the only two PAC teams... get that auto bid

this is why WSU and Oregon State just need to stay as the only two PAC teams... get that auto bid

They play each other 7 times. Whoever wins gets in every year. I love it.

This simply is not true for as long as there are still 5 auto-bids to the 12 team playoff.

Conferences don't have auto bids like the NCAA tourney. Its just the 6 highest ranked conference champions get a spot. Technically, The 6 highest ranked conference champions could include the AAC, Mountain West, and Sun Belt and leave power conference champions out. Of course this will most likely never happen. It was set up to give all Champions of the Power 5 a spot and one G5 champion a spot. Not sure how that will play out in 2024 with the PAC going away.

If there were an automatic 5 conference winner bid to the 12 team playoff it would be tossed after this season. There will be only 4 conferences. So the whole scenario would have to be redone.

^^ There are 6 automatic conference winners that get a spot not 5. It’s just not guaranteed which conferences get the auto bids in any given year. And that will be in place in 2024. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

Conferences don't have auto bids like the NCAA tourney. Its just the 6 highest ranked conference champions get a spot. Technically, The 6 highest ranked conference champions could include the AAC, Mountain West, and Sun Belt and leave power conference champions out. Of course this will most likely never happen. It was set up to give all Champions of the Power 5 a spot and one G5 champion a spot. Not sure how that will play out in 2024 with the PAC going away.


If there were an automatic 5 conference winner bid to the 12 team playoff it would be tossed after this season. There will be only 4 conferences. So the whole scenario would have to be redone.


^^ There are 6 automatic conference winners that get a spot not 5. It’s just not guaranteed which conferences get the auto bids in any given year. And that will be in place in 2024. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

the current contract goes until 2025 ... (so the first 2 years of the 12 team ) any change before then requires a unanimous vote

starting in 2026 it will be a new contract and only will require a majority vote of conf commissioners + ND AD

I think I asked this like 2 weeks ago. Do we know who the 3rd best team is in the Big 12. WVU maybe? The OU Texas Big 12 championship game could very very very likely be for a spot in the final 4. I really don't see how OU or Texas lose another game in this awful and sorry it's awful conference.

The third best team in the Big XII tends to be whoever is playing OU on any given Saturday.

the current contract goes until 2025 ... (so the first 2 years of the 12 team ) any change before then requires a unanimous vote

starting in 2026 it will be a new contract and only will require a majority vote of conf commissioners + ND AD

2024 will be wild. I have no idea what Oregon’s State and Washington State are going to do schedule wise but the 2 options will be one of those teams are going to be the in CFP as “pac 12” champion or there will be 2 G5 conference champions in the playoff.

2024 will be wild. I have no idea what Oregon’s State and Washington State are going to do schedule wise but the 2 options will be one of those teams are going to be the in CFP as “pac 12” champion or there will be 2 G5 conference champions in the playoff.

seems like the "cleanest" option for them (if they win their court case) is to stay at 2 team Pac 12 (they have 3 years to get the pac 12 back to 8 teams min ) and pay the MWC to form a scheduling alliance .. to get to 12 games ..

seems like the "cleanest" option for them (if they win their court case) is to stay at 2 team Pac 12 (they have 3 years to get the pac 12 back to 8 teams min ) and pay the MWC to form a scheduling alliance .. to get to 12 games ..There aren't any quality teams for them to get. An 8 or 10 team PAC of second and third rate teams would never get a TV deal. Recruiting would be horrible. Who would want to go to a dead conference? And they would never be considered a real Power 5 conference in terms of a playoff bid. Better for both of them to go to the WAC.

There aren't any quality teams for them to get. An 8 or 10 team PAC of second and third rate teams would never get a TV deal. Recruiting would be horrible. Who would want to go to a dead conference? And they would never be considered a real Power 5 conference in terms of a playoff bid. Better for both of them to go to the WAC.

the WAC doesn't play FBS football ..



the most likely long term outcome is some time of MWC PAC merger keeping the PAC name ...

the WAC doesn't play FBS football ..



the most likely long term outcome is some time of MWC PAC merger keeping the PAC name ...I know that. But the remaining 2 teams of the former PAC might just not be FBS teams in the future. The MWC merging, or absorbing OS and WS is not going to create a conference that's accepted as a FBS conference just because they use the PAC name. There's a reason the MWC is FCS. The MWC teams aren't FBS quality. A PAC of OS, WS and the MWC would never get a TV deal. And TV deals are what this realignment thing is all about.

I know that. But the remaining 2 teams of the former PAC might just not be FBS teams in the future. The MWC merging, or absorbing OS and WS is not going to create a conference that's accepted as a FBS conference just because they use the PAC name. There's a reason the MWC is FCS. The MWC teams aren't FBS quality. A PAC of OS, WS and the MWC would never get a TV deal. And TV deals are what this realignment thing is all about.

the MWC is currently an FBS conference ... they are not going to stop being one and they already have a tv deal

there is 0.00% chance that OSU and WSU are not FBS teams

the MWC is currently an FBS conference ... they are not going to stop being one and they already have a tv deal

there is 0.00% chance that OSU and WSU are not FBS teams
Sorry . Shouldn't have used FBS, FCS. The PAC remains and the MWC
merged are never going to be accepted as a replacement of the old PAC as a fifth Power 5 conference. As such they won't ever get comparable TV deals, won't have comparable recruiting power and will always be a minor conference. Naming the conference the PAC instead of the MWC. Won't make any difference. Unless OSU and WSU can talk their way into the ACC, BIG 10 , Big 12 or SEC they are destined to be in a minor conference and fade into irrelevance. Actually it might be beneficial for all involved for the BIG 12 to take them. I know the BIG 12 deal isn't for that many teams but contracts are renegotiated every day.

Sorry . Shouldn't have used FBS, FCS. The PAC remains and the MWC
merged are never going to be accepted as a replacement of the old PAC as a fifth Power 5 conference. As such they won't ever get comparable TV deals, won't have comparable recruiting power and will always be a minor conference. Naming the conference the PAC instead of the MWC. Won't make any difference. Unless OSU and WSU can talk their way into the ACC, BIG 10 , Big 12 or SEC they are destined to be in a minor conference and fade into irrelevance. Actually it might be beneficial for all involved for the BIG 12 to take them. I know the BIG 12 deal isn't for that many teams but contracts are renegotiated every day.

the P5 is done anyway ...

it will soon be the P2 and everyone else ..

the P5 is done anyway ...

it will soon be the P2 and everyone else ..Very true. Or another theory I've heard often is that there won't be conferences at all. Just a single group of the top football schools, say 72, that govern themselves. And everyone else will be on their own to figure out how to go forward.

Very true. Or another theory I've heard often is that there won't be conferences at all. Just a single group of the top football schools, say 72, that govern themselves. And everyone else will be on their own to figure out how to go forward.

i think it will eventually be like 40 but yeah pretty much that ..

the P5 is done anyway ...

it will soon be the P2 and everyone else ..

Not exactly. It’s more of a tier when it comes to payouts. SEC and Big 10 in tier one, Big 12 and ACC in tier 2 and then everyone else. Keep in mind the AAC and MWC payout only 4-6 million per school. The jump from that to tier 2 is substantial. Total payout for the MWC conference is 6 million. Total payout for the big 12 when the new tv deal commences in 2025 is projected to be ~50 million

Not exactly. It’s more of a tier when it comes to payouts. SEC and Big 10 in tier one, Big 12 and ACC in tier 2 and then everyone else. Keep in mind the AAC and MWC payout only 4-6 million per school. The jump from that to tier 2 is substantial.

Bring on Relegation. Lets do it.

Bring on Relegation. Lets do it.That's a thing that seems to be part of the no conference - one big group theory. If a team not in the group has a couple really good years they could take a spot and the lowest team of the big group goes down.

That's a thing that seems to be part of the no conference - one big group theory. If a team not in the group has a couple really good years they could take a spot and the lowest team of the big group goes down.

I don't think this is ever going to happen at the super conference level, but I could see it in the lower tiers, potentially as soon as a few years from now if we end up getting a merger between Oregon State, Wazzu, the MWC, and potentially several of the best FCS programs like North Dakota State and Montana. Something like a 20-team, two-tiered conference would probably put those schools in a favorable position to get the fifth auto-bid on a year-to-year basis over the AAC, C-USA, MAC, or Sun Belt champ.

Not exactly. It’s more of a tier when it comes to payouts. SEC and Big 10 in tier one, Big 12 and ACC in tier 2 and then everyone else. Keep in mind the AAC and MWC payout only 4-6 million per school. The jump from that to tier 2 is substantial. Total payout for the MWC conference is 6 million. Total payout for the big 12 when the new tv deal commences in 2025 is projected to be ~50 million

AAC is closer to 9 a year ..


and the new big 12 deal is for 31.6 a year (the 50 number includes CFB and NCAA basketball money and is a projection)

AAC is closer to 9 a year ..


and the new big 12 deal is for 31.6 a year (the 50 number includes CFB and NCAA basketball money and is a projection)

Yea, that’s why I said total payout and said it was a projection and used ~

That MWC number is total payout as well. With 3.5 million coming from their tv contract.

The Big 12 paying out more per school with a 16 way split than it was paying out for a 10 way split with OU and Texas is a huge win for the conference.

Not exactly. It’s more of a tier when it comes to payouts. SEC and Big 10 in tier one, Big 12 and ACC in tier 2 and then everyone else. Keep in mind the AAC and MWC payout only 4-6 million per school. The jump from that to tier 2 is substantial. Total payout for the MWC conference is 6 million. Total payout for the big 12 when the new tv deal commences in 2025 is projected to be ~50 million

The ACC seems like shake up is only a matter of how long and how many teams. Both the top teams have made it clear they want out before the current deal is over, with indications there are at least a few others that think they will find better options whenever they can get out. So it seems pretty likely at least SEC and B1G pick up some, with some chance Big 12 could get a few too.

I get to thinking about those MWC schools that could fit in the "new PAC", and what they bring as a " P-however many" member. San Diego State woulda been a member already if the MAC exit deadline hadn't conflicted with the PAC ineptitude. Boise State was close to being invited to the Big 12. UNLV plays in a $2 billion NFL stadium in an NFL city that many think is a $3 billion expansion fee NBA city. Air Force is a service academy, with the national following they bring. Nevada and Utah State don't seem much different than Oregon State or Kansas State in regards to market size and access.

My point being those 6 schools joined with Oregon State and Washington State could make a decent 8 school, late day and evening football conference that could bring eyeballs at an acceptable level.

the P5 is done anyway ...

it will soon be the P2 and everyone else ..

Nope. Not exactly.