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Jersey Boss
08-09-2023, 08:27 PM
they have been 4 year scholarships in the major confs for almost a decade now

Thank you for that. In fact they can be given 5 year scholarships.

April in the Plaza
09-02-2023, 02:46 PM
Probably that Colorado now has flash but not substance with its program. It’s still one of the worst in D1.

Lol

https://www.espn.com/college-football/game/_/gameId/401523994

Snowman
09-02-2023, 03:08 PM
Probably that Colorado now has flash but not substance with its program. It’s still one of the worst in D1.

It is one thing to claim that for P5 last year (or P4 going forward), but G5 are still in D1

okatty
09-02-2023, 03:21 PM
The Hunter kid for CU is a player. Don’t recall seeing anyone play both ways (110 plus snaps) at that level. They get Nebraska in Boulder next weekend.

Rover
09-02-2023, 05:46 PM
The Hunter kid for CU is a player. Don’t recall seeing anyone play both ways (110 plus snaps) at that level. They get Nebraska in Boulder next weekend.

Neb shouldn't be a problem for them if TCU wasn't.

Jersey Boss
09-03-2023, 07:41 AM
Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, bad day for a P5 conference.

Pete
09-03-2023, 07:46 AM
Neb shouldn't be a problem for them if TCU wasn't.

There is a very real possibility that TCU isn't very good.

They were a huge surprise last year and graduated almost everyone.

MagzOK
09-03-2023, 09:00 AM
Houston, OSU, BYU, Texas -- they all won but not in convincing fashion whatsoever. Still, W's are W's.

okatty
09-03-2023, 09:30 AM
The Baylor, TT and TCU losses were big ouchies - all double digit favs.

soonergolfer
09-03-2023, 09:46 AM
Next week could be pretty scary for the Big 12. There are a lot of likely/possible losses.
Illinois - Kan
Utah - Baylor
Iowa - Iowa St
Pitt - Cincy
Alabama - Tx
Oregon - Tx Tech
Boise St - UCF
Ariz St - OSU

SMU is decent, but I think the least likely to beat OU compared to the games listed.

kukblue1
09-03-2023, 11:17 AM
Neb shouldn't be a problem for them if TCU wasn't.

I'll be interested to watch. Nebraska plays a much different style than TCU. For one they focus on ball control and defense. Even though they are not very good it will be a totally different style game. Not sure if Sander the QB is going to be able to throw the ball over 40 times.

Rover
09-04-2023, 09:26 AM
There is a very real possibility that TCU isn't very good.

They were a huge surprise last year and graduated almost everyone.

True, but Nebraska isn’t very good either.

Not a fan of Deon’s perpetual anger, but his team looked promising.

Bellaboo
09-04-2023, 10:29 AM
There is a very real possibility that TCU isn't very good.

They were a huge surprise last year and graduated almost everyone.

TCU had only 3 returning starters on defense, so sounds like a little weak.

Jersey Boss
09-04-2023, 10:58 AM
TCU had only 3 returning starters on defense, so sounds like a little weak.

Weak sauce ratonalization for a mediocre team. CU has a total of 3 returning starters and 25 scholarship players.

Bellaboo
09-04-2023, 10:59 AM
Weak sauce ratonalization for a mediocre team. CU has a total of 3 returning starters and 25 scholarship players.

But they had 53 players with experience transfer in via portal.

By far the most of any school.

Jersey Boss
09-04-2023, 11:00 AM
But they had 53 players with experience transfer in via portal.

But in what context is that experience? Starter? D1? Playing time when score is relevant?, etc.
There was a reason CU was a 21 point dog.

chssooner
09-04-2023, 11:36 AM
But in what context is that experience? Starter? D1? Playing time when score is relevant?, etc.
There was a reason CU was a 21 point dog.

I will agree with you, but a lot of it was the unknown.

CU added multiple, and I mean MULTIPLE, 4-5 star players via the Portal. Travis Hunter will be a top 3 pick, Shedeur Sanders is very, very good, and better than TCUs QB could dream of being. Just look at who they brought in. A ton of starters from Power 5 programs.

TCU was overrated this year, and lost everything that made them decent last year. New QB, new top WR, new D (essentially), new RB, I can go on and on. Most of the issues with CU were the unknown. We now know that Hunter is elite, and Sanders is good enough to get it done. Or maybe we don't. I always knew TCU was overhyped this season.

chssooner
09-04-2023, 11:37 AM
There is a very real possibility that TCU isn't very good.

They were a huge surprise last year and graduated almost everyone.

I agree with every single word you said. New QB, RB, top WR, losing everyone on D. Will take a while to gel.

April in the Plaza
09-04-2023, 11:39 AM
But in what context is that experience? Starter? D1? Playing time when score is relevant?, etc.
There was a reason CU was a 21 point dog.

lines are always rather loose in the first couple weeks of a season, particularly with the advent of the portal.

with that said, the CU line was the easiest sports betting money in the last decade or so. it was very obvious that CU was going to, at a minimum, compete.

mugofbeer
09-04-2023, 12:26 PM
True, but Nebraska isn’t very good either.

Not a fan of Deon’s perpetual anger, but his team looked promising.

Deion's not angry. He's an arm-waving football street preacher and the consumate motivator. I don't like some of his tactics such as how he rather brutally cleaned house of "unbelievers."But he was hired with a job to do, he is a man who was before his time in reference to "today's NCAA" sports climate and a man who wants to prove an African American coach can be successful.

If you watch him on his weekly sports shows, the real Deion comes through more but is not so different from the Neon Deion either. He's the real deal. His ability to motivate his team to believe in themselves was vividly apparent in his pre-game motivational speech. Then he backed it up by committing to lead his tem onto the field running despite being in recovery from some serious foot problems he had surgery on in the last few months.

On top of his motivational, he has some real talent on his team and his own sons abilities help support the rest of the team. Another couple of games will be needed, but the Colorado story may be the suprise of college football this year.

mugofbeer
09-04-2023, 12:28 PM
But they had 53 players with experience transfer in via portal.

By far the most of any school.

In the abbreviated time he was coach after last season, he had both a top 30 recruiting year and the top rated transfer portal team.

okatty
09-04-2023, 02:08 PM
There is a little CU mania going on. The Nebraska - Colorado spread has been up for one day. The NFL Week 1 odds have been up for months. There are already more bets on Colorado's spread, than 31 of the NFL Week 1 teams.
The only team with more bets than Colorado is the Chiefs.

PhiAlpha
09-04-2023, 02:38 PM
I would bet on Nebraska coming out and beating them this week. Minnesota was probably the best team of those four teams last weekend (might have had a slight edge on all three of them) and I think TCU is probably the worst. CU might be for real (at least in terms of making some noise in the PAC 12 this season) if they beat Nebraska but I just have a feeling they'll come back to earth this weekend.

BoulderSooner
09-05-2023, 09:08 AM
In the abbreviated time he was coach after last season, he had both a top 30 recruiting year and the top rated transfer portal team.

and the composite CU roster rankings went up a bunch ..

BoulderSooner
09-05-2023, 09:09 AM
I would bet on Nebraska coming out and beating them this week. Minnesota was probably the best team of those four teams last weekend (might have had a slight edge on all three of them) and I think TCU is probably the worst. CU might be for real (at least in terms of making some noise in the PAC 12 this season) if they beat Nebraska but I just have a feeling they'll come back to earth this weekend.

Nebraksa D played really well .. but their O has ? marks ..

that makes for a very interesting matchup with CU

PhiAlpha
09-09-2023, 02:12 PM
Nebraksa D played really well .. but their O has ? marks ..

that makes for a very interesting matchup with CU

I stand corrected. Holy crap.

Pete
09-09-2023, 02:14 PM
I stand corrected. Holy crap.

Colorado had like 100 yards with 5 minutes left in the first half and Nebraska had the ball first down.

Then the Husker QB turned the ball over twice in a row, Colorado scored, the NU QB turned the ball over some more, and finally the defense ran out of gas.

PhiAlpha
09-09-2023, 02:29 PM
Colorado had like 100 yards with 5 minutes left in the first half and Nebraska had the ball first down.

Then the Husker QB turned the ball over twice in a row, Colorado scored, the NU QB turned the ball over some more, and finally the defense ran out of gas.

yeah their QB situation is atrocious. Similar to OU/TX last year, if they had a QB it would be close.

That said, hats off to CU. They did what they needed to do and then some against the two teams on their schedule (both of which were power 5 teams and not many 2-0 teams around the country can say that right now). Nebraska’s defense is probably better than most of the PAC 12 and CU’s offense seems to be pretty capable. They’ll have a chance to compete in conference play this year.

kukblue1
09-09-2023, 02:56 PM
I don't know I guess I'll be the Debbie Downer of the group but Colorado had 72 rushing yards and 80 yards in penalties that's not beating a top team in the country at all. Yes Nebraska has a good defense but you can't still have more penalty yards than rushing yards. If you want to be a top notch team

PoliSciGuy
09-09-2023, 04:38 PM
I stand corrected. Holy crap.

Deion Sanders is making a fool of us all. Though I am worried about what his success means for college football writ large going forward.

Bill Robertson
09-09-2023, 04:42 PM
I don't know I guess I'll be the Debbie Downer of the group but Colorado had 72 rushing yards and 80 yards in penalties that's not beating a top team in the country at all. Yes Nebraska has a good defense but you can't still have more penalty yards than rushing yards. If you want to be a top notch teamConsidering that they have 86 players that weren't at Colorado last year, only 8 returning scholarship players from last year and something like 2 returning starters beating anyone is a pretty good deal for them.

kukblue1
09-09-2023, 05:04 PM
Considering that they have 86 players that weren't at Colorado last year, only 8 returning scholarship players from last year and something like 2 returning starters beating anyone is a pretty good deal for them.

They got so good players in. They have some legit good players on that team. They are proving you can build a team through the portal. We really haven't seen anyone build a team through the portal before. What I'm saying though is 55 yards rushing vs TCU and only 72 today isn't beating a good legit team and sorry TCU and Nebraska are not very good teams. Let's see if they can keep it respectable vs Oregon in 2 weeks

April in the Plaza
09-09-2023, 06:17 PM
They got so good players in. They have some legit good players on that team. They are proving you can build a team through the portal. We really haven't seen anyone build a team through the portal before. What I'm saying though is 55 yards rushing vs TCU and only 72 today isn't beating a good legit team and sorry TCU and Nebraska are not very good teams. Let's see if they can keep it respectable vs Oregon in 2 weeks

Some of that is just a function of throwing the ball 40+ times/game and taking a lot of sacks (didn’t watch so not sure if it is Sanders trying to extend plays, bad protection or some combo).

CU’s RB1 picked up 6 yards per carry, so running tended to work when they tried it.

Laramie
09-09-2023, 09:04 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MyA6BYtctg


Gaylord Family Oklahoma Memorial Stadium - Attendance: 84,186

Texas 34 @ Alabama 24 (F)

kukblue1
09-09-2023, 09:25 PM
Texas is ready for the SEC.

Snowman
09-09-2023, 09:47 PM
Some of that is just a function of throwing the ball 40+ times/game and taking a lot of sacks (didn’t watch so not sure if it is Sanders trying to extend plays, bad protection or some combo).

CU’s RB1 picked up 6 yards per carry, so running tended to work when they tried it.

What I heard before the seasons started, was the o-line was not expected to be good. Between more success brining in skill players through portal and that generally takes some time to gel even when there is less change year to year.

kukblue1
09-10-2023, 12:01 AM
What I heard before the seasons started, was the o-line was not expected to be good. Between more success brining in skill players through portal and that generally takes some time to gel even when there is less change year to year.

Yeah. I'm not saying they're not going to get there but they did give up eight sacks today also. Eight sacks no rushing game they're going to get beat up by the big boys if they don't improve the offensive line. Could they win the Big 12 next year though with Oklahoma and Texas gone yes.

PhiAlpha
09-10-2023, 12:39 AM
They got so good players in. They have some legit good players on that team. They are proving you can build a team through the portal. We really haven't seen anyone build a team through the portal before. What I'm saying though is 55 yards rushing vs TCU and only 72 today isn't beating a good legit team and sorry TCU and Nebraska are not very good teams. Let's see if they can keep it respectable vs Oregon in 2 weeks

Nebraska isn’t a good team but their defense is pretty good. Just not good enough to carry that team for 4 quarters when their QB takes 8 sacks and when he and the offense turn it over 4 times.

PhiAlpha
09-10-2023, 12:40 AM
Yeah. I'm not saying they're not going to get there but they did give up eight sacks today also. Eight sacks no rushing game they're going to get beat up by the big boys if they don't improve the offensive line. Could they win the Big 12 next year though with Oklahoma and Texas gone yes.

CU only gave up 2 sacks

PhiAlpha
09-10-2023, 12:45 AM
Deion Sanders is making a fool of us all. Though I am worried about what his success means for college football writ large going forward.

No doubt. I still think it melts down at some point but hey…who cares when they’ve already doubled their win total from last year with 86 new players on the team.

Got to give it up to them. Hell of a start for a team everyone pegged to be 0-2 by the end of the day. They are going to make some noise in the Pac 12 this year.

okatty
09-10-2023, 06:42 AM
CU only gave up 2 sacks

NU sacked Sanders 8 times.

Nebraska recorded eight sacks during its 36-14 loss to Colorado on Saturday, marking NU’s most productive pass-rushing game since Nebraska sacked Colorado seven times in 2018.

PhiAlpha
09-10-2023, 09:01 AM
NU sacked Sanders 8 times.

Nebraska recorded eight sacks during its 36-14 loss to Colorado on Saturday, marking NU’s most productive pass-rushing game since Nebraska sacked Colorado seven times in 2018.

nm, you’re right. I was reading the stat sheet wrong.

April in the Plaza
09-10-2023, 10:53 AM
Texas is ready for the SEC.

That, and I'm not sure Alabama is nearly as Clutch or Southern as it was several seasons ago.

The QB1 play left a lot to be desired.

Snowman
09-10-2023, 12:22 PM
That, and I'm not sure Alabama is nearly as Clutch or Southern as it was several seasons ago.

The QB1 play left a lot to be desired.

Oddly it seems like Alabama's QBs rarely have been what stands out most compared to other teams, I wonder if they generally prioritize getting a solid game manager than someone who can put up crazy numbers. With the o-line, running backs, skill positions, and defenses they generally have; that often would be enough to win games.

Pete
09-10-2023, 12:29 PM
Oddly it seems like Alabama's QBs rarely have been what stands out most compared to other teams, I wonder if they generally prioritize getting a solid game manager than someone who can put up crazy numbers. With the o-line, running backs, skill positions, and defenses they generally have; that often would be enough to win games.

That 'game manager' QB from Alabama is largely from the past.

Their last 4 starting QBs are now all starting in the NFL.

Laramie
09-10-2023, 02:05 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwOUPYP0Tik

Jersey Boss
09-10-2023, 04:17 PM
Deion Sanders is making a fool of us all. Though I am worried about what his success means for college football writ large going forward.

Could you expand on what his success means for CFB going forward in your opinion?

Jersey Boss
09-10-2023, 04:19 PM
That, and I'm not sure Alabama is nearly as Clutch or Southern as it was several seasons ago.

The QB1 play left a lot to be desired.

Don't overlook the fact of losing Will Anderson.

soonermike81
09-10-2023, 09:36 PM
Deion Sanders is making a fool of us all. Though I am worried about what his success means for college football writ large going forward.

Plenty of people thought he was going to be successful and rooting for him, including me. I definitely didn’t think he’d be 2-0 to start the season, however. But I did feel he was going to be very competitive in what I thought was a weak pac-12. I guess we’ll see.

And not sure how he’ll be changing college football for the worse. Transfer portal was already a thing. I don’t think we see that obscene amount of transfers ever again, unless it’s another very unique situation like we had with Primetime. Only other change I see is more opportunities for black coaches, which isn’t a negative. So just curious how else he’s going to change CFB.

dankrutka
09-10-2023, 11:53 PM
Yeah, people are making too big of a deal of "Deion will hurt college football." First, his situation is unique. He took over an abysmal program and Deion has the name recognition to actually be able to make it appealing over night. This is a rare situation that won't repeat itself a lot. Other coaches that try won't likely be bring 5 star players, and thus won't have his type of immediate success.

Second, the people in charge of college football have done a lot to damage the sport. They quit caring about student-athletes when they started realigning conference members that are across the country. I am glad students can finally make money off their own likeness. It's insane that they weren't able to for so long before.

BoulderSooner
09-11-2023, 08:43 AM
Colorado had like 100 yards with 5 minutes left in the first half and Nebraska had the ball first down.

Then the Husker QB turned the ball over twice in a row, Colorado scored, the NU QB turned the ball over some more, and finally the defense ran out of gas.

that game remined me of OU under john blake .. the defense would put up a heck of a fight .. and then just get worn down because of how terrible the O was

Urbanized
09-11-2023, 10:03 AM
I’m holding out hope that they were just doing enough to win against a sorry opponent and keeping a lot under wraps ahead of Texas. But yeah, that was the wrong type of vanilla.

PhiAlpha
09-11-2023, 10:38 AM
that game remined me of OU under john blake .. the defense would put up a heck of a fight .. and then just get worn down because of how terrible the O was

Kind of surprised Casey Thompson didn't hang around. He's nowhere near perfect but a MASSIVE upgrade over the guy they're starting now. I'm assuming he wanted to go play for his old coach, but no matter how bad Nebraska is, I still think it's a way better opportunity than FAU especially with a new coaching staff and a defense that seems more capable of putting up some resistance than last years.

PhiAlpha
09-11-2023, 10:49 AM
I’m holding out hope that they were just doing enough to win against a sorry opponent and keeping a lot under wraps ahead of Texas. But yeah, that was the wrong type of vanilla.

I think they're somewhere in between what they did in that 73-0 game and what we saw Saturday. The line didn't play that great, there were dropped balls and the offensive game plan was really weak. There was a bunch of grumbling about DG but after rewatching the game, he wasn't given many opportunities to throw it downfield until the end of the forth quarter (aside from one notable wide open player that he passed up for a completion underneath). Running backs were okay but I'd like to see more of Walker with Sawchuk starting splitting the load after he's fully healthy...Major had some good moments in the passing game but just doesn't seem to have it coming out of the backfield. Need to get the ball to Farooq more as well.

Defense and Special teams on the other hand were great. There were a few coverage mistakes here and there, especially early, but it has been a massive improvement over what we've become accustomed to for the last 5-8 years.

Would definitely liked to have seen more out of the offense but winning and covering the spread against a good SMU team that will likely win their conference this year is nothing to get too down about.

BoulderSooner
09-11-2023, 11:12 AM
Kind of surprised Casey Thompson didn't hang around. He's nowhere near perfect but a MASSIVE upgrade over the guy they're starting now. I'm assuming he wanted to go play for his old coach, but no matter how bad Nebraska is, I still think it's a way better opportunity than FAU especially with a new coaching staff and a defense that seems more capable of putting up some resistance than last years.

imagine if spencer sanders had gone there they might be 2-0 now

PhiAlpha
09-11-2023, 11:15 AM
imagine if spencer sanders had gone there they might be 2-0 now

Hadn't even thought about that. Was surprised he chose Ole Miss with Dart there. Sanders will make some bone headed mistakes but the dude also knows how to win games.

Swake
09-11-2023, 12:45 PM
Hadn't even thought about that. Was surprised he chose Ole Miss with Dart there. Sanders will make some bone headed mistakes but the dude also knows how to win games.

Gotta play to make mistakes. He's on the bench.

PhiAlpha
09-11-2023, 11:41 PM
Gotta play to make mistakes. He's on the bench.

Exactly, because Dart is at Ole Miss and is better than Sanders. He would've started at Nebraska and been infinitely better than the guy they're throwing out there now. Hell, Davis Beville would be an upgrade over that guy.

soonermike81
09-12-2023, 08:27 PM
Hell, Davis Beville would be an upgrade over that guy.

I recognize hyperbole when I see it. Beville is like a big statue back there with no arms.

April in the Plaza
09-16-2023, 10:55 AM
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/38410457/ku-suspends-transfer-guard-arterio-morris-program

Some very big time accusations being levied against a guy who transferred from Texas and, by some accounts, was set to start at Kansas this Fall.