Assuming Legend Tower is built in some form and knowing that it will never be 1,907 tall, what would be the optimal height?

At 60 floors with some rooftop elements, it would likely be about the height of Devon Tower. Even that would be very out of scale with everything else surrounding it.

OTOH, it seems our only chance (albeit small) to add to our skyline anytime soon.

Pete, is this a hypothetical discussion or do you think the chances of a Legends Tower being built is slowing materializing?

Pete, is this a hypothetical discussion or do you think the chances of a Legends Tower being built is slowing materializing?

Just hypothetical.

Until we see actual construction, I remain a skeptic of the entire project.

I'd love to see this move to the REHCO lands, with the three towers moving up to 450' and the Legends Tower going up to 1000'. This is more reasonable to me in terms of location and height appropriate while also expanding the skyline. This would also allow 'proper' redevelopment of the Paycom site and the balance of the Cox site, creating a true dense downtown expansion with 'acceptable' height. Also, it'd probably be the only thousand footer chance we'll have for quite some time, so I don't want to cut Legends Tower too short.

But hey, if they can get it done at the location and with 1,907' - more power to them. I just think it MIGHT make the rest of downtown a little more difficult to fill-in for a while, while we allow Boardwalk to fill.

As for the FAA, the developer said they were around 71% complete at the time of the OKC planning meeting that approved removing height restrictions for the site.

My question is when city hall will have the approval, I'd expect once that's done that the FAA would also be complete and they should be able to start permitting/digging over the summer like he said/intends.

As for the FAA, the developer said they were around 71% complete at the time of the OKC planning meeting that approved removing height restrictions for the site.

My question is when city hall will have the approval, I'd expect once that's done that the FAA would also be complete and they should be able to start permitting/digging over the summer like he said/intends.

What was 71% complete and where did he say this?

Matteson was not at the Planning Commission meeting that approved this project.

What was 71% complete and where did he say this?

Matteson was not at the Planning Commission meeting that approved this project.

I heard it was 71.3333(repeating)% complete.

Hopefully the FAA is aware that we deserve this and can expedite the approval

If not, maybe we should send the FAA a letter declaring our city’s supreme eternal deservingness for such a thupertall building.

I'd love to see this move to the REHCO lands, with the three towers moving up to 450' and the Legends Tower going up to 1000'. This is more reasonable to me in terms of location and height appropriate while also expanding the skyline. This would also allow 'proper' redevelopment of the Paycom site and the balance of the Cox site, creating a true dense downtown expansion with 'acceptable' height. Also, it'd probably be the only thousand footer chance we'll have for quite some time, so I don't want to cut Legends Tower too short.

But hey, if they can get it done at the location and with 1,907' - more power to them. I just think it MIGHT make the rest of downtown a little more difficult to fill-in for a while, while we allow Boardwalk to fill.

I wouldn’t lose sleep over it.

The optimal height is halfway between the height of BancFirst and Devon. Around 650 feet.

This is the proper answer, in my opinion. Anything in that realm will be providential to balancing the skyline.

I heard it was 71.3333(repeating)% complete.

What Matteson meant was the FAA PDF form was still downloading and was at 71% before he left the office He can't afford the faster internet.

what matteson meant was the faa pdf form was still downloading and was at 71% before he left the office he can't afford the faster internet.

lol

This is the proper answer, in my opinion. Anything in that realm will be providential to balancing the skyline.

To me, "balancing the skyline" is such a weird thing to prioritize. I think the "proper" height is whatever creates a more vibrant, walkable neighborhood. If we're talking about dreams, I'd love to convert this entire project into 4-6 story mixed use buildings to fill holes in core.

Pete, I believe it was in the OKC Planning meeting where the developer mentioned the FAA status.

Pete, I believe it was in the OKC Planning meeting where the developer mentioned the FAA status.

The developer was not at the Planning Commission meeting.

To me, "balancing the skyline" is such a weird thing to prioritize. I think the "proper" height is whatever creates a more vibrant, walkable neighborhood. If we're talking about dreams, I'd love to convert this entire project into 4-6 story mixed use buildings to fill holes in core.

In the overarching pursuit of creating a cohesive urban fabric you’re saying the right things, but this is just conjecture about making an improbable building fit into the skyline.

. . . Genius, really!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZmuppLFVE4
Don't recall if this was previously posted . . .

. . . And there's this


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tOzlXzlECI

How do you lower the temperature on the attention Oklahoma City is getting; or should it be a concern.

. . . And there's this


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tOzlXzlECI

How do you lower the temperature on the attention Oklahoma City is getting; or should it be a concern.

1k views in a month. Or 33.333 a day. This doesn't have nearly as much widespread infamy as people on here think.

Not one bit of a concern.

There are so many of these trash Youtube and TikTok channels which just take clips from other media sources and splice them into a 'video'.

Not only do they not provide anything new, they are ripping off the content of people doing the actual work of creating and reporting.

There are so many of these trash Youtube and TikTok channels which just take clips from other media sources and splice them into a 'video'.

Not only do they not provide anything new, they are ripping off the content of people doing the actual work of creating and reporting.

So much of the internet has become useless, especially social media. I kind of assume it's AI until proven otherwise at this point.

In that second video at 4:08, it says the Boardwalk space will have "one thousand one hundred square feet of retail and dining space". lol

If Oklahoma City can get the Dream & Unscripted Hotels phase I (3 towers at 345 feet) built and within the next decade see something that rivals or exceeds the Devon Tower by 100 feet (944 - 1,000 feet) it will be a major accomplishment in shaping the skyline.

Also anxious to get the new $900 million plus arena built on the present PCM 4-square block site. Hope they come up with a memorable design that leaves an impression where when you see it, people will say that's Oklahoma City's arena.

someone representing him or his team

The developer was not at the Planning Commission meeting.

In that second video at 4:08, it says the Boardwalk space will have "one thousand one hundred square feet of retail and dining space". lol

Whoa!

You may able to fit four...no, five tables in there.

Just found it on the internet:
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Just found it on the internet:
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That actually looks pretty cool! I hope that it does happen.

Plans for nation's tallest building would transform Oklahoma City. But residents are skeptical.
https://www.kosu.org/local-news/2024-05-28/plans-for-nations-tallest-building-would-transform-oklahoma-city-but-residents-are-skeptical?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR2qLKW5yXmFZEG rekheem60f7a8lFn2ldL5bBFXfhbUbWKgRqy-IArjDMA_aem_AVjCFxO-ell4ThtduC8TazMcYcjUDeSOhPhDxi93eXFvxtxxUeLTtDvt5N jHLvGpmWMOmJumjRAtD_i9uetymjTC

Meanwhile, it's been asked about earlier in this thread about the status of the $5.5 billion green refinery planned to start construction in Cushing this year. It was never answered. But rumor has it that it's off. The company changed its mind and will build it in Texas at one of the sites that had been under consideration in addition to Cushing. So, I won't be surprised if a rumor gets started that the Legends Tower will move to Austin and will be shortened to 1845 ft., the year Texas became a state. Of course, plenty of people must think the whole thing will be called off. It's never moving anywhere, including up. Heck, the green refinery may be an even bigger pie in the sky fantasy than the Legends Tower and Heartland Park put together.

That actually looks pretty cool! I hope that it does happen.

Well at least we know that the FAA is onboard!

Well at least we know that the FAA is onboard!

This always earns a chuckle from me. Especially when it's in an unrelated project's thread and other posters don't know the reference. I'm so easily amused.

Well at least we know that the FAA is onboard!

They know that we DESERVE THIS!! Can't wait for it to be built!!!

This always earns a chuckle from me. Especially when it's in an unrelated project's thread and other posters don't know the reference. I'm so easily amused.

LOL, the 3-5 subsequent posts of complete confusion, agitation, serious responses from those who don’t get it and people playing along are always solid comedy for a fairly tame message board.

They know that we DESERVE THIS!! Can't wait for it to be built!!!

If we deserve it enough, are REALLY good year round, don’t use improper terminology over the radio, and don’t anger the airport director on the shelf…the FAA MIGHT clear Santa to bring it to us fully assembled. But on this late May Day, all we have is hope.

They know that we DESERVE THIS!! Can't wait for it to be built!!!

I really hope you are being sarcastic...

I really hope you are being sarcastic...

Yes. He’s bringing the sarcasm we deserve.

OKC council approves rezoning for 1,907-foot Legends Tower (https://journalrecord.com/2024/06/okc-council-approves-rezoning-for-1907-foot-legends-tower/)

No more hurdles, now we will see if this is the real deal. Next should be building permits, etc. This sure does have a lot of moving pieces and companies involved to be a whole lot of nothing. Optimistic to see dirt start turning.

No more hurdles, now we will see if this is the real deal. Next should be building permits, etc. This sure does have a lot of moving pieces and companies involved to be a whole lot of nothing. Optimistic to see dirt start turning.
:congrats:

If even the smaller buildings get built, it's a win. I think the funding is all about those structures, they just aren't being too open about clarifying that, leaving the impression that they have funding for the tower too. I do not think that they have that since they said it was dependent on demand from the first 3.

As my wife says, "we don't always have to tell everything we know" :P

https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/2024/06/05/okc-tallest-tower-us-zoning-request-approved-city-council/73976299007/


Matteson said the start date, initially set for this summer, is delayed until this fall due to the timing it took for the rezoning request because the outcome of the Legends Tower plays into initial site work.

“We can’t just do it for the three towers,” Matteson said. “They are all connected with underground parking and utilities.”

Matteson said the site work will take about six months, followed by up to 18 months of construction. The Legacy Tower is set to be built as part of a second phase with Matteson acknowledging its ultimate scope will depend on market reaction to the first two apartment towers.

This rationale makes no sense. The zoning was approved completely on schedule and city council gave their final approval (always a rubber stamp) without delay. And when the zoning was first approved, Matteson said at that time they would start this summer.

Did it just now occur to them that Legends Tower has to be integrated into the rest of the development?

https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/2024/06/05/okc-tallest-tower-us-zoning-request-approved-city-council/73976299007/



This rationale makes no sense. The zoning was approved completely on schedule and city council gave their final approval (always a rubber stamp) without delay. And when the zoning was first approved, Matteson said at that time they would start this summer.

Did it just now occur to them that Legends Tower has to be integrated into the rest of the development?

It almost sounds like he didn't expect them to approve it. Time to make up a new excuse for the next delay.

Have to do the 'wind study' because FAA took too long to approve.

https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/2024/06/05/okc-tallest-tower-us-zoning-request-approved-city-council/73976299007/



This rationale makes no sense. The zoning was approved completely on schedule and city council gave their final approval (always a rubber stamp) without delay. And when the zoning was first approved, Matteson said at that time they would start this summer.

Did it just now occur to them that Legends Tower has to be integrated into the rest of the development?

Blaming the timing of the rezoning request is such a weird thing to do, especially given the info you provided that it was all done on schedule. It sounds like just another delay. Time will tell, obviously.

It almost sounds like he didn't expect them to approve it. Time to make up a new excuse for the next delay.

Have to do the 'wind study' because FAA took too long to approve.

Either that or he just didn't expect it all to move so fast? I agree, it's just an excuse to further delay.

However, I'm not at all knowledgeable about projects like this. Can nothing get started?

Either that or he just didn't expect it all to move so fast? I agree, it's just an excuse to further delay.

However, I'm not at all knowledgeable about projects like this. Can nothing get started?

The next excuse may be they can't tear up the parking lot because of the upcoming demolition of old convention center and parking garage. Have to watch out for the interest of people who don't like walking more than one block after all.

The next excuse may be they can't tear up the parking lot because of the upcoming demolition of old convention center and parking garage. Have to watch out for the interest of people who don't like walking more than one block after all.

Mazaheri drooling

OKC council approves rezoning for 1,907-foot Legends Tower (https://journalrecord.com/2024/06/okc-council-approves-rezoning-for-1907-foot-legends-tower/)

Lovely, can't wait to see if the Burj OKalifa actually gets built

Matteson's strategy is plausible. Makes sense to get everything approved now, with Legends Tower, then trying to come back 3 years later. Also, like he said they can do foundation work, and have utilities in place ready to go to start the tower. Regardless if it will be 1,907 feet, they will have the infrastructure in place to move forward on something.

So was he just planning on giving up with no building there at all if by some chance the city didn't rubberstamp it? Why wouldn't you just plan your site in a way where you could always easily expand in the future?

Sure its plausible that was his strategy. Just makes him look like an amateur though.

So was he just planning on giving up with no building there at all if by some chance the city didn't rubberstamp it? Why wouldn't you just plan your site in a way where you could always easily expand in the future?

Sure its plausible that was his strategy. Just makes him look like an amateur though.

I don't know how easily you can plan for a future 1,907 for tower. So having all the ducks in a row before any ground is broken seems fair. The sure work for it is likely way different than for a 30-story tower. Why disrupt tenants in the other buildings with future site work?

If even the smaller buildings get built, it's a win. I think the funding is all about those structures, they just aren't being too open about clarifying that, leaving the impression that they have funding for the tower too. I do not think that they have that since they said it was dependent on demand from the first 3.

As my wife says, "we don't always have to tell everything we know" :P

the only thing is, the three towers were quoted at $735 million or so previously but they're saying the project is $1.5 billion. Could the supertall be built for $765 million? Also, does the TIF give the project additional budget of $200 million?

From AO architecture, Facebook page

#IntheNews: Receiving the greenlight for unlimited building height yesterday from the Oklahoma City Council, The Boardwalk at Bricktown is poised to become America's tallest tower. In an article published today by ENR, structural engineer Ola Johansson, principal at Thornton Tomasetti, shares insights on the sophisticated performance-based structural design approach planned for the project. Read on to learn how this groundbreaking tower will be engineered to withstand wind loads—including tornadoes—and seismic loads expected at the site.

Stay tuned for more updates on this monumental project!

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Smh….

I don't think I'll ever be convinced that this is a worthwhile idea.

^^^^^^^^^^^
I'm ambivalent regarding the supertall, because I don't believe that it works on a spreadsheet, and know from experience that if things that things requiring investors and finance don't work on a spreadsheet, they don't become reality. If they've figured out how to make it cash flow, whatever.

HOWEVER, pretty much everything else on that project absolutely IS a worthwhile idea. ESPECIALLY with the benefit of $200 million in TIF.

I wish Legends tower could have its own thread and the 3 realistic towers could have their own.

America's Tallest Skyscraper Approved With 'Unlimited Height' https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/americas-tallest-skyscraper-approved-with-unlimited-height/ar-BB1o65vL

Mazaheri drooling

I lol’d at this.

I couldn’t help but have a little titter!

https://youtu.be/RVt_oNvUvWE?si=IyZraKELuYv7Zdmr

Well, He's definitely getting attention.

Getting a lot of attention on YouTube:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqyAS1wgBDw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBwbvMkFTco