These are from today's Planning Commission meeting; going on now:

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A few more screenshots (feel free to consolidate, Pete) -- I couldn't get them all, but it's worth watching. They are seeking rezoning for a residential tower to be *300* feet, with parking above retail and residences above that. This would almost certainly be a game changer in downtown residential prospects.

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Very possibly true. Again, I'm no expert. But, I recall hearing that a substantially changed property usage (for lack of a better term) must adhere to the rules for the new usage. Just because an asphalt parking lot could flow 100% of rain runoff into the storm drainage in 19XX year doesn't mean this development can in 2021.

Why not? It's the same amount of water falling on an impermeable surface. The addition of some improvements shouldn't change anything other than the route the water has to take, which should be addressed by the engineer. Also, if we're looking at the same thing, the proposed changes to the drainage ordinance has not been adopted yet. Also, those new changes in their current form do not required on-site detention if the property drains onto a public street, storm sewer system or creek/river channel.

if all 3 towers get built this would be a home run

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These are from today's Planning Commission meeting; going on now:

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Pretty neat little complex

My first thought was "I love it, but too much forest along Reno", but then I looked at that westward facing view along Reno and it's already a big stretch of trees along there. Would be nice to get more street interaction but if we didn't and instead got these three towers as proposed I would not be even a little sad.

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A few more screenshots (feel free to consolidate, Pete) -- I couldn't get them all, but it's worth watching. They are seeking rezoning for a residential tower to be *300* feet, with parking above retail and residences above that. This would almost certainly be a game changer in downtown residential prospects.

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Talk about a fantastic addition to the skyline, an honest to god expansion of downtown which we didn't really get with the Omni just yet considering how separated off it is for now.

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if all 3 towers get built this would be a home run

Agree.

And yet, how confident are you that the ultimate development will be anywhere close to this ambitious?

I'm feeling deja vu from the whiplash we have received numerous times from developers in the past, including this one.

Neat but I'll believe it when I see it.

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Hogan has an experienced hotel developer as part of this.

Nothing is done until it's done but no reason to be doubting it at this stage.

Looks a little bit solarpunk considering how covered in trees the development is, including up on the buildings.

I really hope this happens. With Broadway place just around the corner it would all be amazing!

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I actually don’t have as much of a problem with it now seeing this site plan it looks better situated.

The heights of the two hotels are shown at 250 feet; those would be the two tallest hotels in OKC. The Omni is 214 feet.

The residential building would be 300 feet; that would be the tallest residential tower in OKC; the Regency is 238 and Founders Tower is 275.

The residential building would be the 9th tallest in OKC; the hotels would be tied at 18th.

The architect mentioned there would be rooftop bars on both hotels and 'signature' restaurants along the lagoon. The roofs of those towers will offer awesome skyline views.

I mentioned previously that they are hoping to land a Dream Hotel, which would be an incredible get.


Time to update my downtown hotel listing; the Omni, FNC, the Renaissance and now possibly these two towers. That's a massive upgrade from just a year ago.

Remove the lagoon and make it like McGregor Square in Denver.

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Would be cool, but for sure seems like an over promise & under deliver situation.

Is there any word on Hotel brands yet?

Is there any word on Hotel brands yet?

Possibly a Dream Hotel.

Speaking as the same person who called the speculative towers across the boulevard DOA the moment they were proposed (and who got dragged on this forum for my trouble) I can say that this development stands a pretty good chance of being built.

Everybody got all worked up about parking for nothing. Didn't even realize before that there's an undground garage, which is great. How much you wanna bet the people that complained on social won't use them (because not free).

150 residential units proposed here to add to Alley's End, Boulevard Place, and 700 West. That is a lot of residential proposed for the downtown area. Very cool to see that.

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Don't forget First National apartments will come online by the end of the year.

And Mazaheri is obligated to somewhat quickly develop the lot on the SW corner of Hudson and the boulevard by the terms he struck with the city. That should be more mid-rise residential. Lots of other things in the queue.

If the residential tower looks anything like that drawing, I would legit live there. Eco-futuristic style with foliage on the roof and sides of the building make this hard to believe. But I am happy the whole building-on-top-of-garage thing is finally growing in OKC.

Going from the OKC area to Lincoln Nebraska for college, I was amazed at the amount of buildings with parking garages built beneath them. Especially considering Lincoln is nowhere close to the same size as OKC.

I like this! I'll be glad when more renderings are released showing more detail than the simple drawings, but I certainly like what I see so far. I can't say I'm surprised that the mood of most people has changed since the released renderings, vs the initial site plans lol. Any time frame for this?

The heights of the two hotels are shown at 250 feet; those would be the two tallest hotels in OKC. The Omni is 214 feet.

The residential building would be 300 feet; that would be the tallest residential tower in OKC; the Regency is 238 and Founders Tower is 275.

The residential building would be the 9th tallest in OKC; the hotels would be tied at 18th.

How tall is the First National Building?

How tall is the First National Building?

First National is a mixed-use building, not just a residential tower.

City Place has condos at the top as well.

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Is that a waterfall from the swimming pool down into the lagoon? How cool!

Was this approved? If so, what is the next step in the process? Seems like OKC has so many steps for projects to go through, the some lose steam.

Was this approved? If so, what is the next step in the process? Seems like OKC has so many steps for projects to go through, the some lose steam.

Yes, it was approved.

There are no remaining approvals needed, other than submitting building permit applications.

Yes, it was approved.

There are no remaining approvals needed, other than submitting building permit applications.

It—or perhaps specifically the zoning change request—will at least be voted on by City Council first though, no? (Not that there's any reason to expect them to reject it)

It—or perhaps specifically the zoning change request—will at least be voted on by City Council first though, no? (Not that there's any reason to expect them to reject it)

Technically, yes council has to approve but that is always a rubber stamp, especially when there is no organized opposition (which there isn't in this case).

And it wouldn't slow them down in any event, because it generally takes months for a building permit to get final approval on a project of this scale. I don't think they are very close to applying for permits.

Speaking as the same person who called the speculative towers across the boulevard DOA the moment they were proposed (and who got dragged on this forum for my trouble) I can say that this development stands a pretty good chance of being built.

This makes me happy. By the way Urbanized, you and your crew did a really good job on the Fourth.

no organized opposition

You mean the hundreds if not thousands that griped on social media didn't go to bat for their parking rights?

I like it but would LOVE it if the buildings were pushed to the street and had retail. I LOVE the above ground garage with building on top - we need much more of this; seriuosly - as opposed to garage on a LOT next to towers (Imagine if BOK had the tower above a partially underground/mostly above ground garage - ---.

Honestly, THIS is the proposal I was expecting for Alley's End 4th and EKG location,

but I can say it does start to expand downtown and could help redo lower bricktown into more of a town centre; which would be a good thing over what it is today.

Here to high hopes that it gets built as rendered and hopefully they add some ground floor retail storefronts - that would enhance pedestrian interaction and expand bricktown toward the CC. Hopefully also this could help make Thunder Alley a reality, into OKC's version of LA Live. ...

I'm onboard!! and will surely patronize when I visit.

guys, I have a feeling OKC may be ready to go into another boom cycle downtown.

Just consider where we've come from and now what's proposed and in the pipeline (lots according to Pete IIRC and SteveL); OKC's going to look great once the TV audience returns for national NBA, WCWS, etc broadcasts.

guys, I have a feeling OKC may be ready to go into another boom cycle downtown.

Just consider where we've come from and now what's proposed and in the pipeline (lots according to Pete IIRC and SteveL); OKC's going to look great once the TV audience returns for national NBA, WCWS, etc broadcasts.

I don't follow Steve. What all has he been mentioning?

Yes, what are Steve's "sources" telling us right now?

Great to see something like this proposed. Do we have a named architect for this project? The initial concept looks great, but too early to get my hopes up.

Kinda reminds me of the OG&E 4 tower proposal 6 years ago, was grand but very preliminary, and nothing ever came to fruition. Not trying to be a Debbie Downer, but we know how all this works.

Do we have a named architect for this project?

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Thanks Pete!

You all know how SteveL is, he teased us in his chat about many projects in the pipeline.

Interestingly though, he said none were highrises but mid-rise infill. So he may not have the skinny on this project; which is clearly a multi-highrise game changer for Lower Bricktown.

How tall is the First National Building?

First National is 446 and 493 feet tall--with spiral IIRC. The new towers will be comparable in height to One Leadership Square 308' and Union Plaza '252. It will impact the skyline more than Leadership Square because it won't be nestled in among taller structures.


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Nice renderings Pete, keep up the exceptional work.

First National is 493 feet tall--with spiral IIRC. The new towers will be comparable in height to One Leadership Square 308' and Union Plaza '252. It will impact the skyline more than Leadership Square because it won't be nestled in among taller structures.


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Nice renderings Pete, keep up the exceptional work.

Thanks for the comparisons. The only building I knew to compare height to was The Classen apartment building which is over 200'. Yeah, 300' and 250' will be pretty game changing for the skyline. Where it will really give the impression of a filled in skyline is coming down the Boulevard approaching downtown off 40. The buildings will be pretty close to the middle between Omni and Devon.

The skyline view I always think about is the view from the north, I guess because I grew up going up and down the Broadway Extension. I feel in that view these will be tall enough to see just to the left of the existing buildings.

That's a big property. Just look at the very large new Bricktown Renaissance hotel on Sheridan in that pic. You could fit like 6 of those buildings on that area (with no room to spare of course, just comparing the scale).

Hopefully, his plans include some density and street interaction. I would love to stay in a hotel with a room overlooking the BNSF viaduct. Very busy line and I love trains.

In the name of science, I cutout the Cotter Ranch tower footprint and pasted over the Uhaul lot for size reference. Three Cotters easily fit. The 4th may be a stretch, but goes to show just how much opportunity for development there is in these $#@%! surface lots!!

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Cotter Ranch Tower, what is this, 2017? :-P

Cotter Ranch Tower, what is this, 2017? :-P

Haha... as I was typing this, I wrote "Chase Tower", then changed to Cotter Ranch, only to realize I wrote Chase tower again in the second sentence.

it's Bank First tower now.

You can't help but feel cautious optimism for this project as we recall the halted plans to build OG&E's proposed new headquarters back in 2016.

The proposed residential-hotel project will occupy a 550 space surface lot that will be replaced by one 300' tall residential tower and two hotels towering at 250' each. The three towers will have underground covered parking accommodations for 780 parking spaces; 302 residences, 178 hotels and 300 spaces open for public parking.

The project developers are reported to be Randy and Brad Hogan who expect to release more details about the project this summer.

Are we gonna call it the Hogan development?

Yes, what are Steve's "sources" telling us right now?

if you have to ask what Steve’s “sources” are saying, then you don’t know Steve’s “sources.”

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