Mixed-use project to get 300 lakefront apartments (https://www.okctalk.com/content.php?r=720-Mixed-use-project-to-get-300-lakefront-apartments)

The Half, a 93-acre mixed-use development at Britton and Broadway Extension, is set to add 323 apartments that will front a small lake.


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The project is on the site of land formerly owned by the Oklahoma Publishing Company. American Fidelity acquired the property as part of a $75 million purchase in 2012 which also included the 12-story corporate tower, parking garage and a massive printing facility that has since been demolished.

American Fidelity has partnered with developer Randy Hogan to create The Half, which includes the recently opened Chicken N Pickle as well as Flix Brewhouse. Currently under construction is a new headquarters for Dolese Brothers and OneCore hospital.

Also planned are additional restaurants and office buildings.

The large apartment complex will be located directly north of Chicken N Pickel and front the exsiting water.

Named 9000 Broadway, plans call for a 39,000 square foot parking garage with a total of 512 spaces plus another 77 surface spaces.

Amenities will include a large pool area with an island shaped like the state of Oklahoma, two dog parks and several other communal outdoor spaces facing the lake.

Design is by ADG Architecture & Planning.



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BTW, it looks like Gary Brooks/Cornerstone is the developer.

The advantage to building these apartments next to entertainment and office all comes down to whether there is good urbanist interconnectivity between the developments, but from what I can tell, it appears you have to walk through parking lots to get from one place to the next. Kind of ruins any appeal psychologically, no? How are other reading this lay out?

It's just been disappointing to see developments like Chisholm Creek just totally blow this. It's really not that hard to push parking out to the edges of developments, create walkable, interesting spaces, and it makes the entire development far more valuable and appealing, especially for residents. Or, you can just put giant, ugly parking lots in the middle of everything.

With this apt complex the half would be over half complete.

And I’m sure the other restaurant pads and office will fill in quickly

It's my understanding that being walkable isnt always the main goal with some of these developments. The goal is to make the place vibrant. Always having bodies in motion not to create dead space. Walking from A to B isn't as important. Most of the time people congregating at A, never make it to B anyways. They just want the illusion that the place is vibrant. The percentage of people that will live and work there is minimal. But it would be nice to be walkable for the few that do.

It's my understanding that being walkable isnt always the main goal with some of these developments. The goal is to make the place vibrant. Always having bodies in motion not to create dead space. Walking from A to B isn't as important. Most of the time people congregating at A, never make it to B anyways. They just want the illusion that the place is vibrant. The percentage of people that will live and work there is minimal. But it would be nice to be walkable for the few that do.

Parking lots are the definition of dead space. No such thing as a vibrant parking lot.

Textbook generic apartment complex. The Oklahoma-shaped pool island is kind of cool, though.

Underwhelming apartment design, but the pool is nice

Parking lots are the definition of dead space. No such thing as a vibrant parking lot.

Parking lots are not necessarily the definition of dead space. To a degree it's the Walmart concept. Parking lot in the middle with people moving though the parking lot on foot and in cars. Walmart and various stores surround the parking lot. People see movement and think it's a safe vibrant area. With apartments, office and entertainment, they can brand it as live, work and play. Every live, work, and play development isn't branded as walkable. They brand it as vibrant. I'm sure more infill will come later and their final vision will connect things more.

Parking lots are not necessarily the definition of dead space. To a degree it's the Walmart concept. Parking lot in the middle with people moving though the parking lot on foot and in cars. Walmart and various stores surround the parking lot. People see movement and think it's a safe vibrant area. With apartments, office and entertainment, they can brand it as live, work and play. Every live, work, and play development isn't branded as walkable. They brand it as vibrant. I'm sure more infill will come later and their final vision will connect things more.

We must have a different definitions of what vibrant means. I’ve never heard of a Walmart parking lot being described as vibrant.

People naturally congregate in safe vibrant areas. People will meander and want to spend extended time there . It draws people in makes people linger. People want to live in vibrant areas. This is not something a parking lot is designed to do. I don’t know anyone who would want to live next to a Walmart parking lot. I would say Walmart parking lots are busy, but not vibrant or inviting.

I’d say a parking lots can absolutely be vibrant and are the lifeline of many businesses. This is even more true in Los Angeles where many parking lots have people hanging out and it adds good atmosphere.

Vibrant means full of life. People are moving, talking, interacting. I also said the surrounding stores within the complex (shoe stores, hair salons, restaurants ect.). A vibrant development is a place where people are moving about to some degree from basically sun up to sun down. Vibrant doesn't have to be Beale Street or Rodeo dr. It's people moving thru or within a specific destination at a certain rate. The parking lot is the neccessary evil within a complex. If you have a greater movement to stagnation rate within the parking lot, moving from one destination to another; like it or not it's vibrant.

I’d say a parking lots can absolutely be vibrant and are the lifeline of many businesses. This is even more true in Los Angeles where many parking lots have people hanging out and it adds good atmosphere.

What’s the most vibrant parking lot in okc? Would be interested to check that out.

Vibrant means full of life. People are moving, talking, interacting. I also said the surrounding stores within the complex (shoe stores, hair salons, restaurants ect.). A vibrant development is a place where people are moving about to some degree from basically sun up to sun down. Vibrant doesn't have to be Beale Street or Rodeo dr. It's people moving thru or within a specific destination at a certain rate. The parking lot is the neccessary evil within a complex. If you have a greater movement to stagnation rate within the parking lot, moving from one destination to another; like it or not it's vibrant.

Yes, actually vibrant does have to be Beale St. or Rodeo Drive or Bourbon St. or along the Seine in Paris or ...... Vibrant means *much* more than a place that has people walking and driving through it. Parking lots are not vibrant, they're busy. They don't have any real communal space where people gather, very little interaction between the people in the parking lot or with anybody entering/leaving businesses. People in Wal-mart parking lots, even if they have strip malls around them, park, go into the store, come out, and leave. Very occasionally they might go to another store in the same lot, but odds are even that they'll just drive to it and get out, go in, come out and drive off without interacting with anybody else in the parking lot.

Vibrant means full of life. People are moving, talking, interacting. I also said the surrounding stores within the complex (shoe stores, hair salons, restaurants ect.). A vibrant development is a place where people are moving about to some degree from basically sun up to sun down. Vibrant doesn't have to be Beale Street or Rodeo dr. It's people moving thru or within a specific destination at a certain rate. The parking lot is the neccessary evil within a complex. If you have a greater movement to stagnation rate within the parking lot, moving from one destination to another; like it or not it's vibrant.

Vibrant does mean full of life. Parking lots aren’t full of life, they are full of cars.

Vibrant does mean full of life. Parking lots aren’t full of life, they are full of cars.

You have never been to a Jimmy Buffett tailgate. Talk about a vibrant parking lot! ;)

What’s the most vibrant parking lot in okc? Would be interested to check that out.
I’ve heard the Wally World lot gets pretty crazy after 8

I’d say a parking lots can absolutely be vibrant and are the lifeline of many businesses. This is even more true in Los Angeles where many parking lots have people hanging out and it adds good atmosphere.

Huh? I spend a lot of time in Los Angeles and the parking lots there—like everywhere—are dead spaces.

It's my understanding that being walkable isnt always the main goal with some of these developments. The goal is to make the place vibrant. Always having bodies in motion not to create dead space. Walking from A to B isn't as important. Most of the time people congregating at A, never make it to B anyways. They just want the illusion that the place is vibrant. The percentage of people that will live and work there is minimal. But it would be nice to be walkable for the few that do.

A primary aim of walkability is vibrancy. And walkability does not have to conflict with having parking. It's just where you put the parking. Again, at Chilsolm Creek, they often didn't even imaging that people might walk from one place to another. They assumed the parking lots were dead spaces and people would get in a car if they wanted to go from Republic (RIP) to Top Golf. It's totally unnecessary and unimaginative. Same thing here. Walkability would have encouraged vibrancy.

Apartment ammenities just keep getting better and better. Between the awesome pool, fire pits, dog park, and the surrounding stuff, I'd be extremely tempted to live here!

I concur that the parking lot landscape in the area leaves something to be desired, but perhaps someday they will get filled in. It's such a rapidly developing area, and there's a lot of employers in the area. Hopefully it continues to add density.

I’ve heard the Wally World lot gets pretty crazy after 8

And I fully expect this development to have the same vibrancy as a Walmart.

Huh? I spend a lot of time in Los Angeles and the parking lots there—like everywhere—are dead spaces.
I live in Hollywood but I disagree with you.

And I fully expect this development to have the same vibrancy as a Walmart.
You are missing out on life.

And I fully expect this development to have the same vibrancy as a Walmart.

:congrats: :bow:

I can’t believe “vibrant parking lots” is a real discussion

I can’t believe “vibrant parking lots” is a real discussion

Seriously. There's always plenty of vibrant life in the parking lot. All you need to do is make sure someone "hydrates" with one too many, add a little song and dance, shake in a club, pour out in that parking lot, add in a little something that doesn't agree, stir drunkenly, and then you got that vibrant flavor that so often fills the parking lot every weekend. And the best thing is that it doesn't end there, it'll still be the hottest thing on social media for fifteen minutes. :tongue:

Doesn't this open up to a lake with walking paths that also lead to the new restaurants to be built? It is literally across the street from Chicken Pickle and the new medical facility. It has a parking garage too, not a surface lot.

Even though so many on here winge at everything, I think this will fill up fast.

A primary aim of walkability is vibrancy. And walkability does not have to conflict with having parking. It's just where you put the parking. Again, at Chilsolm Creek, they often didn't even imaging that people might walk from one place to another. They assumed the parking lots were dead spaces and people would get in a car if they wanted to go from Republic (RIP) to Top Golf. It's totally unnecessary and unimaginative. Same thing here. Walkability would have encouraged vibrancy.

To you it's unnecessary and unimaginable. That's an opinion not a fact. The developer may think it's exactly what was needed. Like I previously stated, every development that is live, work and play is not necessarily intended to be walkable.

I can’t believe “vibrant parking lots” is a real discussion
This wouldn’t be the first ridiculous topic that comes up when a nice suburban development is proposed and won’t be the last.

I live in Hollywood but I disagree with you.

Can you share some examples of vibrant parking lots? For real, I'd like to understand what you're talking about.

Can you share some examples of vibrant parking lots? For real, I'd like to understand what you're talking about.

The one with a taco truck.

The one with a taco truck.

Hahaha

Can you share some examples of vibrant parking lots? For real, I'd like to understand what you're talking about.
I already did.

But for real, this conversation is absolutely ridiculous. There are vibrant parking lots all around Hollywood. Yes taco trucks are indeed involved. Sometimes if it gets really crazy they’ll have Macaron trucks.

A little bit walking doesn’t hurt, we Americans need to walk a lot more, they just need to plant more trees.

Doesn't this open up to a lake with walking paths that also lead to the new restaurants to be built? It is literally across the street from Chicken Pickle and the new medical facility. It has a parking garage too, not a surface lot.

Even though so many on here winge at everything, I think this will fill up fast.

I agree with you. In fact I think this area will out-chisolm Chisolm Creek with respect to being walkable and such.

I already did.

But for real, this conversation is absolutely ridiculous. There are vibrant parking lots all around Hollywood. Yes taco trucks are indeed involved. Sometimes if it gets really crazy they’ll have Macaron trucks.

I just looked back at all your posts and you provided zero examples of "vibrant parking lots." You just said they are frequent in Hollywood.

Yes, food trucks can succeed in parking lots, but it's funny because the food trucks are often just simulating better urban design by filling the parking lot with a business. If this new development had planned spots for food trucks, that could certainly be part of a more walkable environment, which are more vibrant spaces by design.

If you think a parking lot is vibrant, just imagine if they took the perpetually empty portions, converted it to grass, and added trees...

The overall development being built already ripe for "suburban retrofit".

But the apartments are really cool, and that is really what this thread is about.

This project is now called Broadvue Apartments and they just filed for their building permits.

Should see dirt moving soon.

This project is now fully under construction.

This project is now fully under construction.

The activity on this parcel is staging for the medical facility under construction to the south:

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The activity on this parcel is staging for the medical facility under construction to the south:



it is also used as chicken and pickle overflow parking ..

Pete, thanks for the correction and my bad for wrong information. I had just assumed it was for Broadvue. I suppose that will not start than until the medical facility is complete.

Pete, thanks for the correction and my bad for wrong information. I had just assumed it was for Broadvue. I suppose that will not start than until the medical facility is complete.

No worries. Without drone angles it's hard to see what is going on there.

The BroadVue Apartment project should start construction soon.

They have recently filed slightly amended building permits.

I suspect they are waiting for the medical facility to the south to be complete, as the BroadVue property has been used by them for staging. The medical building should be complete soon.

They just filed for a construction trailer to be placed on the site.

Work should be starting soon.

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pete what is the Yellow in your picture?

pete what is the Yellow in your picture?

I believe it is an area where they have been dumping fill.

I believe it is an area where they have been dumping fill.

thanks

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The advantage to building these apartments next to entertainment and office all comes down to whether there is good urbanist interconnectivity between the developments, but from what I can tell, it appears you have to walk through parking lots to get from one place to the next. Kind of ruins any appeal psychologically, no? How are other reading this lay out?

It's just been disappointing to see developments like Chisholm Creek just totally blow this. It's really not that hard to push parking out to the edges of developments, create walkable, interesting spaces, and it makes the entire development far more valuable and appealing, especially for residents. Or, you can just put giant, ugly parking lots in the middle of everything.

Yes, it is one of the most anti-pedestrian site plans I've ever seen. We love the theatre but the site plan is awful.

On a positive note, the development has Flix and Chicken N Pickle. These are destination entertainment venues and add to the OKC landscape. I saw at the beginning of the thread that Randy Hogan is the developer of this project. He was the developer of Lower Bricktown which many people complained about lack of walkability and anti-pedestrian access. It seems like this was another one of his amateur hour developments. I would love to see more national developers come in that really know what they are doing and understand walkability, pedestrian is a must in quality developments!

On a positive note, the development has Flix and Chicken N Pickle. These are destination entertainment venues and add to the OKC landscape. I saw at the beginning of the thread that Randy Hogan is the developer of this project. He was the developer of Lower Bricktown which many people complained about lack of walkability and anti-pedestrian access. It seems like this was another one of his amateur hour developments. I would love to see more national developers come in that really know what they are doing and understand walkability, pedestrian is a must in quality developments!
This is all true, but the perplexing part for new urbanists is that they will fill up quickly and be very successful financially. Developers figure people vote with their dollars and unless it fails financially will continue to develop just like this.

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