Why not take a 7am flight that arrives in LAX at 8am. You can be at Dodge stadium by 10am. What is the importance of arriving at 1am?

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Flew to LAX on Wednesday AM on AA. The flight was full.

Loads are really accelerating. We (ua) ran 361,000 passengers today on 88% systemwide load factor. Very healthy, but still down quite a bit. I believe our normal summertime traffic volume was half a million a day.

Huge thanks to AA for that. Absolutely insane the amount of coverage they’ve added.

They are expanding in TUL as well. In addition to the AUS nonstop they are adding DCA and MIA. Just need LGA to match the same level of AA non-stops in OKC.

OKC really only needs JFK, PDX, BOS, and SAN, in order to have all the largest metros covered. Would be nice to get those this year, since airlines appear to be having new routes offered frequently. Maybe PDX would wait, but I think the demand is there for at least weekly flights to these locales.

OKC really only needs JFK, PDX, BOS, and SAN, in order to have all the largest metros covered. Would be nice to get those this year, since airlines appear to be having new routes offered frequently. Maybe PDX would wait, but I think the demand is there for at least weekly flights to these locales.

I mean if you have LGA do you really need JFK?

They are expanding in TUL as well. In addition to the AUS nonstop they are adding DCA and MIA. Just need LGA to match the same level of AA non-stops in OKC.

That’s awesome for sure! Love AA being so aggressive.

Loads are really accelerating. We (ua) ran 361,000 passengers today on 88% systemwide load factor. Very healthy, but still down quite a bit. I believe our normal summertime traffic volume was half a million a day.

I think we’re fully recovered by Q2 of ‘22 assuming they can get enough support contractors hired.

https://www.tsa.gov/coronavirus/passenger-throughput

There’s days we’re only down 25% over 2019. I would bet the demand is there capacity just needs to keep coming back.

I mean if you have LGA do you really need JFK?

Technically you can catch a shuttle between them, but I'm sure there's value going to one vs the other. They're ten miles apart.

I mean if you have LGA do you really need JFK?

Cache, mainly. How can you be a big league city if you only have 1 flight to the most important city in the world? Plus, it opens up a vast array of international destinations.

Personally, I would absolutely take a $63 redeye, then a fly-away shuttle from LAX to Union Station, and then the Dodger Stadium Express from there to catch a day game. And if possible be on a flight back that night (not that I wouldn't stay longer, just saying fitting such a thing into a weekend would be awesome).

I did something similar for the Orange Bowl against Alabama in 2018. I couldn't find a flight from okc to miami that wasn't rediculous price or arrived in time to see the game. So I flew to Orlando. rented a car. drove down to Miami. got there at 6pm. watched the game. drove back to Orlando and flew out at 5am. it was rough but fun.

I mean if you have LGA do you really need JFK?

LGA is best for if you're going straight to NYC. JFK is best for international connections. EWR is good for that too with the massive United hub there. Having all three covered would be ideal but at least two out of the three should be fine for a metro of 1.5M

Anyone know how full the first Breeze flight to Tampa was today?

OKC really only needs JFK, PDX, BOS, and SAN, in order to have all the largest metros covered. Would be nice to get those this year, since airlines appear to be having new routes offered frequently. Maybe PDX would wait, but I think the demand is there for at least weekly flights to these locales.

Agree 100% Those airports would do it. I would place BOS at the top priority since we already have the other NYC metro airports covered (although JFK is great for Int'l connections) followed closely by PDX, SAN and JFK in that order. BOS gives you access to not only that important business and education center, but it is a gateway to all of New England and even the Canadian Maritimes. If you can just get BOS you can essentially say you are covering the catchment of the regional airports up there like BDL, BTV, MHT, PVD, and PWM because they are all within a 4 hour drive, with most closer than than that.

Cache, mainly. How can you be a big league city if you only have 1 flight to the most important city in the world? Plus, it opens up a vast array of international destinations.

With 9 dailies to DFW, and DFW's international presence I wonder if that's siphoning some off.

JFK is an international gateway. You really have little need for domestic access to it. AA flows massive international transatlantic connections through DFW, CLT, and PHL (when it returns). UA flows international through EWR and IAD. DL flows international through ATL and DTW. There’s really just little market need. LGA will always be the preferred domestic airport to NY. The alliances prefer to use JFK’s network to focus on NY O&D traffic to international destinations. Those command a premium with limitless demand. There is no reason for the networks to force lower yield connections onto those premium NY-Europe nonstops. They can route lower yield connections over DFW, EWR, ATL, PHL etc. those cities have less demand than NY and need the connection traffic anyway.

Loads are really accelerating. We (ua) ran 361,000 passengers today on 88% systemwide load factor. Very healthy, but still down quite a bit. I believe our normal summertime traffic volume was half a million a day.

This is extremely off-topic but I'm curious what you think of UA's recent massive order for MAXes and new A321s - and they're going to install PTVs too! Damn, did not expect United to make this much of a push to become a true premium airline. Curious how AA responds.

^I heard their (relatively) new CEO, Scott Kirby, wants to make an aggressive splash in the industry. They are betting on a quick rebound and growth.

From a ground handling perspective: The MAX sucks, hate to see anymore show up on property. Which is a shame because the Classic and NG are great on the ground. But they don’t buy airplanes because of that. I digress.

I am happy with the overall direction United is taking under Kirby. He is doing a great job and this order is a reflection of that. Low interest rates, Boeing has a ton of slots to fill, Delta is distracted by whatever they have going on, American is doubling down on racing to the bottom of the pack, and Southwest is having tremendous growing pains. It feels like Kirby is ready to go full throttle and pass all of them up.

He is an airline geek who spent 2 decades under Doug Parker. He was Doug’s right hand man at America West, Us Airways, and then American. He is spreading his wings and going a different direction than Parker. So, yes. Good order. We have great leadership at the moment willing to invest in the future and grab opportunity.

I have moved all of my biz and most of our personal travel to UA. The experience has far exceeded that of AA and Denver, Houston, and O'Hare have proven to be more than adequate for connections. Just noticed the product for our trip to OGG in November has also been upgraded to Polaris-equipped aircraft (763 out from DEN and 788 back into ORD).


From a ground handling perspective: The MAX sucks, hate to see anymore show up on property. Which is a shame because the Classic and NG are great on the ground. But they don’t buy airplanes because of that. I digress.

I am happy with the overall direction United is taking under Kirby. He is doing a great job and this order is a reflection of that. Low interest rates, Boeing has a ton of slots to fill, Delta is distracted by whatever they have going on, American is doubling down on racing to the bottom of the pack, and Southwest is having tremendous growing pains. It feels like Kirby is ready to go full throttle and pass all of them up.

He is an airline geek who spent 2 decades under Doug Parker. He was Doug’s right hand man at America West, Us Airways, and then American. He is spreading his wings and going a different direction than Parker. So, yes. Good order. We have great leadership at the moment willing to invest in the future and grab opportunity.

I have moved all of my biz and most of our personal travel to UA. The experience has far exceeded that of AA and Denver, Houston, and O'Hare have proven to be more than adequate for connections. Just noticed the product for our trip to OGG in November has also been upgraded to Polaris-equipped aircraft (763 out from DEN and 788 back into ORD).I wish they would upgrade their aircraft out of OKC. Just today their aircraft on OKC-DEN was 4/5 CRJ-200 and 1/5 ERJ-175. Those CRJ-200 are so bad, and at 4/5 on the route they would literally keep me from booking the one ERJ-175 on the chance that flight got canceled and I was rebooked on one. Ugh. I think Kirby said they were going to stop flying small planes to large cities. I doubt he means OKC, but maybe we can at least get upgraded with the recent order over the next few years. United has too good a network outside of OKC not to use them.

200’s will be receiving a sizable fleet reduction in the next 2 years. It is absurd we fly them to medium sized cities.
I worked a 700 today to OKC. Those aren’t as bad.

200’s will be receiving a sizable fleet reduction in the next 2 years. It is absurd we fly them to medium sized cities.
I worked a 700 today to OKC. Those aren’t as bad.

I’d fly United a lot more but everything seems to be on a 200 whereas America is flying 900s and 175s. American all day I guess.

I’d fly United a lot more but everything seems to be on a 200 whereas America is flying 900s and 175s. American all day I guess.

I don't blame you. they suck. They are only barely tolerable for short flights.

I suspect once United gets some of these larger airplanes on property, A319 routes can be upgraded to MAX, E75 routes can be upgraded to A319/320, and CRJ routes can upgrade to E75.

I’d fly United a lot more but everything seems to be on a 200 whereas America is flying 900s and 175s. American all day I guess.We haven't started flying as much post-Covid yet, but just took a trip on AA. Our upcoming trip is also on AA mainly because of plane type. I have some vouchers to use on DL, though. Trying to figure out where we want to go-- maybe the Utah mountains through SLC (where Delta flies good RJs, not 200s). We have a trip coming up to Denver but we are driving because of of SW's lack of first or extra legroom seats, UA's plane types, and Frontier's lack of options.

We haven't started flying as much post-Covid yet, but just took a trip on AA. Our upcoming trip is also on AA mainly because of plane type. I have some vouchers to use on DL, though. Trying to figure out where we want to go-- maybe the Utah mountains through SLC (where Delta flies good RJs, not 200s). We have a trip coming up to Denver but we are driving because of of SW's lack of first or extra legroom seats, UA's plane types, and Frontier's lack of options.

Is this really something you consider? OKC will never really have the larger planes coming to it, since it is in the middle of the country, and not a hub.

No one is expecting to fly a 787 or anything out of OKC, but if prices are similar I would absolutely book literally any plane other than a CRJ. I hope we see more A220s our way.

No one is expecting to fly a 787 or anything out of OKC, but if prices are similar I would absolutely book literally any plane other than a CRJ. I hope we see more A220s our way.
Same here. I 100% have made decisions based on the plane type.

Is this really something you consider? OKC will never really have the larger planes coming to it, since it is in the middle of the country, and not a hub.

i do not fly CRJ-200s. You're basically a sardine in there. In the summer, the AC has 0 chance of keeping up as well.

Is this really something you consider? OKC will never really have the larger planes coming to it, since it is in the middle of the country, and not a hub.I consider it on every single trip I book. Within reason, the experience is more important to me than price. I avoid planes where we can't get at least extra-room coach, and will often choose first if the price is reasonable (and flying to the coast or overseas). We will also purposely connect in DFW when flying some place on AA not non-stop for better equipment. So yes, we are driving to Colorado because UA isn't flying decent planes between DEN and OKC right now. Our SUV will make that more comfortable and we won't have to deal with renting an SUV in DEN during the rental car shortage so that's a bonus. But if those CRJ-200s were to magically become CRJ-700s and A320s we would strongly reconsider our decision to drive.

Same here. I 100% have made decisions based on the plane type.

Same.

I consider it on every single trip I book. Within reason, the experience is more important to me than price. I avoid planes where we can't get at least extra-room coach, and will often choose first if the price is reasonable (and flying to the coast or overseas). We will also purposely connect in DFW when flying some place on AA not non-stop for better equipment. So yes, we are driving to Colorado because UA isn't flying decent planes between DEN and OKC right now. Our SUV will make that more comfortable and we won't have to deal with renting an SUV in DEN during the rental car shortage so that's a bonus. But if those CRJ-200s were to magically become CRJ-700s and A320s we would strongly reconsider our decision to drive.

Eh.

There does appear to be some relief ahead as the August schedule shows 2x E175, 1x CR7, and 2x CR2 for UA to DEN. That's a little better.

I consider it on every single trip I book. Within reason, the experience is more important to me than price. I avoid planes where we can't get at least extra-room coach, and will often choose first if the price is reasonable (and flying to the coast or overseas). We will also purposely connect in DFW when flying some place on AA not non-stop for better equipment. So yes, we are driving to Colorado because UA isn't flying decent planes between DEN and OKC right now. Our SUV will make that more comfortable and we won't have to deal with renting an SUV in DEN during the rental car shortage so that's a bonus. But if those CRJ-200s were to magically become CRJ-700s and A320s we would strongly reconsider our decision to drive.

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Just a question for those who know. Doesn't equipment type (size) depend on loads (demand)? If so, passenger demand drives equipment size, no?

Just a question for those who know. Doesn't equipment type (size) depend on loads (demand)? If so, passenger demand drives equipment size, no?

Yes and no. Catch22 can explain better, but demand, flight banking, and the range of the aircraft all play into it...

Flying a CRJ-200 tomorrow. Thoughts and prayers.

We all seem to have opinions of the CRJ-200. I must be in the minority with 'em. I mean, I don't pick my flight schedule around them, but, if it fits the best time schedule for me, then I will fly them.

And ,when it comes to routes, if the option is a CRJ-200 or no flight at all, then I'll take the -200.

I have moved all of my biz and most of our personal travel to UA. The experience has far exceeded that of AA and Denver, Houston, and O'Hare have proven to be more than adequate for connections. Just noticed the product for our trip to OGG in November has also been upgraded to Polaris-equipped aircraft (763 out from DEN and 788 back into ORD).

I'm seriously considering doing the same! Glad there are others. I'm just tired of continuing to give money to a company that is actively trying to make their customers' experience worse and worse. I would've loved to switch to DL but their network is just so limited out of OKC (have they even resumed OKC-DTW yet?). But I think it's time we tried something else. Have had it with AA and Dougie.

We all seem to have opinions of the CRJ-200. I must be in the minority with 'em. I mean, I don't pick my flight schedule around them, but, if it fits the best time schedule for me, then I will fly them.

And ,when it comes to routes, if the option is a CRJ-200 or no flight at all, then I'll take the -200.

Same here. I am usually able to snag 1A/1B, and even at 6'1, I'm not overly cramped for the short flight from DEN-OKC or vice versa.

I am wishing for a direct flight to JFK. JFK has the most partner airlines flights going to Europe. Flying on partner airlines is a lot of fun.

Hopefully United returns its direct flight to SFO soon. Again, there are a lot of partner airline flights from SFO to Asia.

I am wishing for a direct flight to JFK. JFK has the most partner airlines flights going to Europe. Flying on partner airlines is a lot of fun.

Hopefully United returns its direct flight to SFO soon. Again, there are a lot of partner airline flights from SFO to Asia.

SFO nonstop is back on the schedule for the fall -- not sure exactly of the start date.

Looks like United has upgauged the SFO-OKC route :)

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Looks like United has upgauged the SFO-OKC route :)

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Whoa is that a typo or did they really run a 777 on this route?

Whoa is that a typo or did they really run a 777 on this route?
It’s headed back out to Riverside, a charter probably. No idea what for.

SFO nonstop is back on the schedule for the fall -- not sure exactly of the start date.

Great to see. I know this is now the highest priority route for TUL to connect to the SF Bay Area, seems like a natural fit for UA in a E-175.

Whoa is that a typo or did they really run a 777 on this route?

Haha, not a typo, but also not an up-gauge for that route. That specific 777 looks like it's been running charter flights, possibly for Air Force and/or Army. I saw it on approach, just floating into WRWA; it was beautiful to see with the new United livery.

Flying a CRJ-200 tomorrow. Thoughts and prayers.

Did you survive

omg, would LOVE to see pics of the 777 landing in the city (background).

Not the landing, but here's the takeoff roll, with a brief snippet of the OKC skyline

https://fb.watch/6EEmrWhGPk/

Haha, not a typo, but also not an up-gauge for that route. That specific 777 looks like it's been running charter flights, possibly for Air Force and/or Army. I saw it on approach, just floating into WRWA; it was beautiful to see with the new United livery.

Can’t get it to edit via phone - I mistook the livery. It’s still the old paint. Regardless, pretty awesome to see a 777 gliding into OKC.

It’s headed back out to Riverside, a charter probably. No idea what for.

DOD charter.

Did anyone see where it parked? I don’t think the contract company who handles UA at OKC is widebody qualified. They flew in a ramp crew from SFO to work the flight. I wonder if they rented a can loader from UPS or FedEx?

I'm seriously considering doing the same! Glad there are others. I'm just tired of continuing to give money to a company that is actively trying to make their customers' experience worse and worse. I would've loved to switch to DL but their network is just so limited out of OKC (have they even resumed OKC-DTW yet?). But I think it's time we tried something else. Have had it with AA and Dougie.

I'm flying Delta from DTW to OKC in December so it's at least getting resumed by then. Flying Southwest into DTW with a layover in STL because I absolutely refuse to take a 5:55 a.m. flight, but the return flight is 8:10 - 10:20 p.m. which isn't bad.

omg, would LOVE to see pics of the 777 landing in the city (background).

Looks like a 773 landing in OKC today (Saturday) and tomorrow Sunday as well.....

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SFO nonstop is back on the schedule for the fall -- not sure exactly of the start date.I went looking for it today. Trying to figure out when we are going there next. Looks like it starts 10/31. That's far enough away it makes me wonder if it's still part of a dummy schedule. I don't want to plan a trip and then the non-stop get pulled.

Anything in the UA schedule past September is not firm.

Yeah, I was at Hefner when the 777 was on approach. At first I thought it was a FedEx/UPS plane due to the size. Yeah, that thing is massive.

Looks like 2 flights today, one just left a little after 3. SFO-OKC-RIV

Not the landing, but here's the takeoff roll, with a brief snippet of the OKC skyline

https://fb.watch/6EEmrWhGPk/

Wonderful, simply wonderful. Excellent when the take off roll has downtown skyscrapers in the background - that is what I was looking for.

Beautiful BIG airplane!

Huge growth (obviously)

American now the largest carrier.

https://flyokc.com/sites/default/files/News/21-12%20June%20Enplanement.pdf

Excellent! They really jumped ahead in OKC. That’s great to see.