I’m amazed at the number of expired vehicle temporary paper tags that I see
on a daily basis. How is this going unnoticed by the OKCPD ?
They have really stepped up the issuance of speeding tickets in
the area of NW 150th and May. I regularly see their unmarked silver
Explorer and Taurus in the area. Do speeding tickets generate more income
than an expired tag and mostly likely lack of insurance fines ?

They need to do away with using unmarked cars for traffic enforcement. That is nothing but a double tax on citizens.

I’m amazed at the number of expired vehicle temporary paper tags that I see
on a daily basis. How is this going unnoticed by the OKCPD ?
They have really stepped up the issuance of speeding tickets in
the area of NW 150th and May. I regularly see their unmarked silver
Explorer and Taurus in the area. Do speeding tickets generate more income
than an expired tag and mostly likely lack of insurance fines ?

They have been working 150th between may and MacArthur quite heavily. I have a neighbor who got a ticket for going like 3 over. They just sit and watch in somewhat hidden spots.

They need to do away with using unmarked cars for traffic enforcement. That is nothing but a double tax on citizens.

I'd like to see unmarked cars working intersections to pick up red light runners. I don't see too much red light running anymore, but for a while it was a huge epidemic.

I'd like to see unmarked cars working intersections to pick up red light runners. I don't see too much red light running anymore, but for a while it was a huge epidemic.

I still see this regularly and it’s infuriating. NW Expressway and Portland is a bad intersection for it.

Next time at a light just look at how many regular tags are expired. I see some expired for over 6 months on a regular basis.

My elderly parents, at a point before they passed away, were getting out and driving 4 - 5 times a week for various things. I visited their house and noticed my Dad's license plate out of date by 3 years as was his inspection sticker.

We were just commenting on this yesterday. The paper tags are months old and we’re seeing it all over town.

I often see cars driving around the outskirts with no tags at all.

I often see cars driving around the outskirts with no tags at all.

I think there was a change in Oklahoma law last year that made the license plate the "property" of the vehicle owner, rather than the vehicle. In other words-the tag doesn't stay on the car when it is sold, the seller is to remove the tag and place on their replacement vehicle. They are supposed to notify the State by mail, or the tag agent, when selling an "old" or registering a "new to them" vehicle.

The flip side of that is that a person who buys a vehicle and does not have a license plate in their possession can legally drive the vehicle with no tag until they register it, IIRC.

California used to have it where you didn’t have to have tags on the car for 30 days but too many people were running tolls with no way for the state to try and get reimbursed for the toll evasion so they passed a law a year or so ago that requires temporary tags.

OKC and other Oklahoma metros have been working with a company setting cameras in fixed locations and in mobile locations around the metro to scan license plates and compare them against a state database of vehicles with insurance. This started in 2018 and no local media outlet seems to have followed this. The Enid News & Eagle did some bang-up reporting in March 2020 as about two years later, the prosecutor in charge is starting to refer some individuals for criminal prosecution.

The paper claims the company had thus far flagged 14,000 uninsured drivers and generated over $2MM in fees.

It wouldn't be difficult for the State to mandate tags be displayed, and then contract with this same company to identify drivers with unpaid taxes. In fact, it seems a no-brainer.

https://www.enidnews.com/oklahoma/first-prosecutions-of-uninsured-drivers-caught-on-camera-could-happen-this-year/article_b7060ed8-5fc4-11ea-8e2f-179b3e8b6ed1.html

Hopefully Oklahoma soon ends this camera based automated enforcement. I am hopeful we’ll see a bill banning this stupid practice.

It's a great practice which leads to safer roads and more income for the State. It's a win all around.

There have certainly been issues in other states with red-light cameras and companies willing to tweak their technology so that it produces false positives. You are supposed to stop at a yellow light if you are able to safely do so. That requires a number of subjective factors which a camera alone couldn't fairly be expected to capture.

Less so for insurance/tax issues. The only question there is whether the driver was operating a vehicle on a public roadway and had failed to properly insure or tag the vehicle.

There are valid privacy concerns of course as these cameras could be able to help determine the position of a vehicle on a roadway relative to the time of a crime being committed, but most Americans carry around phones with them which do that anyway, so that's not altogether a completely valid concern.

Oh look, an attorney who supports practices that lead to more court cases. Shocker.

Oh look, an attorney who supports practices that lead to more court cases. Shocker.

Breaking the law leads to more court cases. Those of us that don't run red lights have no reason to be concerned.

Breaking the law leads to more court cases. Those of us that don't run red lights have no reason to be concerned.

Utter simplistic talking viewpoint you just spewed but okay.

A couple observations:

Re; insurance scanning company, I recall the contractor got a fair amount of local media scrutiny when it first began because of some system failure that resulted in many people getting notices/tickets in the mail claiming no insurance, when in fact they did have insurance. I'm guessing most of those problems got worked out, since I don't read or see much about the scanner cars lately.

Re: license plates. Appears the State is moving away from using license plates to verify ownership and insurance coverage. When they changed the law so that the license plate goes with the owner, rather than the vehicle, it appears to me that they have given some grace period to people driving with no license plate. Some people will abuse that by driving with no tag, not changing the registration on the vehicle, and hoping the seller never notifies the State. If the sell does not notify the State, or does not get a replacement vehicle, then who knows how long a person could drive around with no tag.

Breaking the law leads to more court cases. Those of us that don't run red lights have no reason to be concerned.

I don't even know an attorney who practices in traffic court. My cost would far excede that of the ticket.

Breaking the law leads to more court cases. Those of us that don't run red lights have no reason to be concerned.

I explained above that I'm more skeptical about red light cameras. I don't support those as the standard for whether the driver could have safely stopped is not objectively ascertainable. At least not by a camera. Of course, as an attorney, I can speak directly to the issue of uninsured and underinsured drivers wiping out the finances and health of the folks they injure, kill, and maim. I can't imagine why anyone would take the side of uninsured drivers in any policy debate.

If you get a ticket in the mail citing you for no insurance, it is a very simple matter to prove you were insured. You shouldn't need a lawyer for that.

This link will explain your responsibilty when purchasing private or dealer. It answers all the ?'s posed.

Oklahoma Tax Commission - Keep Tag OK
https://www.ok.gov/tax/Individuals/Motor_Vehicle/Keep_Tag_OK_.html

I work with someone that didn’t get a plate, and I assume didn’t pay taxes on a newly purchased BMW for at least 3 years. Ended up buying a new car, not sure he ever paid those taxes. I’d assume you’d have to to sell.


A couple observations:

Re; insurance scanning company, I recall the contractor got a fair amount of local media scrutiny when it first began because of some system failure that resulted in many people getting notices/tickets in the mail claiming no insurance, when in fact they did have insurance. I'm guessing most of those problems got worked out, since I don't read or see much about the scanner cars lately.

Re: license plates. Appears the State is moving away from using license plates to verify ownership and insurance coverage. When they changed the law so that the license plate goes with the owner, rather than the vehicle, it appears to me that they have given some grace period to people driving with no license plate. Some people will abuse that by driving with no tag, not changing the registration on the vehicle, and hoping the seller never notifies the State. If the sell does not notify the State, or does not get a replacement vehicle, then who knows how long a person could drive around with no tag.

I work with someone that didn’t get a plate, and I assume didn’t pay taxes on a newly purchased BMW for at least 3 years. Ended up buying a new car, not sure he ever paid those taxes. I’d assume you’d have to to sell.

Nope, you don't have to catch up the taxes and they don't follow the car to the new owner,

As for a private sale... Now you keep your tag and the new owner gets 5 days with a bill of sale to get a new tag.

Not registering the car is a gamble. You may get away with something, and then again you may not. Get pulled over and pay the ticket and you're looking at a good chunk of the cost of the tag. If its a used car, you might just be paying the full price. When I purchased a new car in March, it was right at a month before the title got to me for me to be able to get my plates registered to the new car. But the tag agent didn't look/verify any dates on the paperwork. So it could have been a year later for all i know, and it wouldn't have changed anything. But again, that's a gamble that i'm not going to get pulled over.

Now for renewals, that's a different story. Since you're already in the system, i believe you do have to true-up for back owed dollars. I don't know if that story about if you just never do it and sell the car, is true. Somehow i feel that's still illegal but again you're gambling they won't catch up with you.

Just do what you're supposed to. Register your dang car. Remember, the taxes/dollars you pay, help fund things we use. So if you aren't paying (or someone you know isn't), then you're not doing your part. It's like congratulating a billionaire for not paying taxes. Yeah, congrats, you jipped the police/fire dept/schools/military/social services/and everyone else that's funded by those dollars. You're a real gem (sarcasm).

Not registering the car is a gamble. You may get away with something, and then again you may not. Get pulled over and pay the ticket and you're looking at a good chunk of the cost of the tag. If its a used car, you might just be paying the full price. When I purchased a new car in March, it was right at a month before the title got to me for me to be able to get my plates registered to the new car. But the tag agent didn't look/verify any dates on the paperwork. So it could have been a year later for all i know, and it wouldn't have changed anything. But again, that's a gamble that i'm not going to get pulled over.

Now for renewals, that's a different story. Since you're already in the system, i believe you do have to true-up for back owed dollars. I don't know if that story about if you just never do it and sell the car, is true. Somehow i feel that's still illegal but again you're gambling they won't catch up with you.

Just do what you're supposed to. Register your dang car. Remember, the taxes/dollars you pay, help fund things we use. So if you aren't paying (or someone you know isn't), then you're not doing your part. It's like congratulating a billionaire for not paying taxes. Yeah, congrats, you jipped the police/fire dept/schools/military/social services/and everyone else that's funded by those dollars. You're a real gem (sarcasm).

I was wondering about the taxes involved, we already pay tax on the gasoline we use, which is directly correlated to our actual use of roads, except for the gas I use to run my mower which I have to use to appease the city so I don't get a fine, so why do we have to continue paying taxes for a vehicle after the first year it is registered? I know the amount of tax paid steps down over time of ownership, but I just don't see why I am taxed for just having a vehicle plus being taxed for the gas I use in it.

Not registering the car is a gamble. You may get away with something, and then again you may not. Get pulled over and pay the ticket and you're looking at a good chunk of the cost of the tag. If its a used car, you might just be paying the full price. When I purchased a new car in March, it was right at a month before the title got to me for me to be able to get my plates registered to the new car. But the tag agent didn't look/verify any dates on the paperwork. So it could have been a year later for all i know, and it wouldn't have changed anything. But again, that's a gamble that i'm not going to get pulled over.

Now for renewals, that's a different story. Since you're already in the system, i believe you do have to true-up for back owed dollars. I don't know if that story about if you just never do it and sell the car, is true. Somehow i feel that's still illegal but again you're gambling they won't catch up with you.

Just do what you're supposed to. Register your dang car. Remember, the taxes/dollars you pay, help fund things we use. So if you aren't paying (or someone you know isn't), then you're not doing your part. It's like congratulating a billionaire for not paying taxes. Yeah, congrats, you jipped the police/fire dept/schools/military/social services/and everyone else that's funded by those dollars. You're a real gem (sarcasm).

Oh I wasn't praising the dude at all. What's more irritating is that he makes around $700k a year and couldn't pay the measly $3k in TT&L that we all pay. I don't recall what his wife's car was but it didn't have tags either. I think he was just trying to look like Steve Jobs, he also wore a "uniform" everyday.

I was wondering about the taxes involved, we already pay tax on the gasoline we use, which is directly correlated to our actual use of roads, except for the gas I use to run my mower which I have to use to appease the city so I don't get a fine, so why do we have to continue paying taxes for a vehicle after the first year it is registered? I know the amount of tax paid steps down over time of ownership, but I just don't see why I am taxed for just having a vehicle plus being taxed for the gas I use in it.

Gas tax already doesn't cover the entire road budget, and this is going to become more of a problem over time as more and more people switch to electric vehicles.

Gas tax already doesn't cover the entire road budget, and this is going to become more of a problem over time as more and more people switch to electric vehicles.

Isn’t there an electric vehicle tax already? I’m sure that will just be raised.

Vehicles are constantly getting better gas mileage along with Electric becoming more common. We need to switch to a mileage tax model and get away from a tax based on fuel consumption.

Vehicles are constantly getting better gas mileage along with Electric becoming more common. We need to switch to a mileage tax model and get away from a tax based on fuel consumption.

Mileage and vehicle weight both.

Here's a bit of info.

We bought a new car last month, from a large Tulsa dealer. We still don't have the title. Their title clerk office has, apparently, their *entire* staff out with COVD. They've already told us that local law enforcement is giving a lot of leeway with temporary tags expiring because more than a few dealers, banks, and related offices are behind for the same reason. We already received an extended temporary tag. No effort to dodge any taxes or fees; but I can't register the vehicle without a title.

As a side-note, almost the exact same story was relayed to me by a friend who bought a Hertz bankruptcy sell-off vehicle; month-plus delay in getting the title and extended temporary tag was issued.

Oh I wasn't praising the dude at all. What's more irritating is that he makes around $700k a year and couldn't pay the measly $3k in TT&L that we all pay. I don't recall what his wife's car was but it didn't have tags either. I think he was just trying to look like Steve Jobs, he also wore a "uniform" everyday.

Sorry if you thought that was directed at you. "you" was meant more generally as "one", i should say.

I work with someone that didn’t get a plate, and I assume didn’t pay taxes on a newly purchased BMW for at least 3 years. Ended up buying a new car, not sure he ever paid those taxes. I’d assume you’d have to to sell.
I used to run into a guy at my favorite haunts that was a master at somehow talking his way into cars he couldn't possibly afford. Like Mercedes AMGs and such. Then he would drive them for months with the paper tags. It really ticked me off that someone would do that.

A lot of supercar owners don't run a tag at all, like even paper ones.

A lot of supercar owners don't run a tag at all, like even paper ones.

Special treatment and privlage concerning enforcement of the laws? Shocked I tell you, shocked.

I think many supercar owners tag their cars out of Montana, IIRC.

Special treatment and privlage concerning enforcement of the laws? Shocked I tell you, shocked.

At least we don't have front license plates. The scourge of making my hobby cars looks like crap

I think many supercar owners tag their cars out of Montana, IIRC.

Still illegal if you are a resident of OK.

Still illegal if you are a resident of OK.Out of state plate? How is it illegal if you have a registrable address in Montana? So if you’re a resident of Oklahoma and you have multiple homes in other states, say Alaska, you have to have Oklahoma tags? That doesn’t make sense.

Out of state plate? How is it illegal if you have a registrable address in Montana? So if you’re a resident of Oklahoma and you have multiple homes in other states, say Alaska, you have to have Oklahoma tags? That doesn’t make sense.

I believe you have to register your car in the state you live in the most days of the year and have a license in.

I believe you have to register your car in the state you live in the most days of the year and have a license in.
I thought there was a loophole somehow that allows people to register expensive cars in Montana but they live in other states. Not sure how it’s done but I definitely know people that do it.

I thought there was a loophole somehow that allows people to register expensive cars in Montana but they live in other states. Not sure how it’s done but I definitely know people that do it.

Was curious about this because I've never heard of it, and it seems like it is indeed a thing, though the actual legality of it is as questionable as you'd expect: https://jalopnik.com/the-pitfalls-of-the-montana-license-plate-scam-1711216059

Was curious about this because I've never heard of it, and it seems like it is indeed a thing, though the actual legality of it is as questionable as you'd expect: https://jalopnik.com/the-pitfalls-of-the-montana-license-plate-scam-1711216059

Steve Lehto. Great guy. Has an excellent daily Youtube called "Lehto's Law". Often quite informative and often entertaining.

Gas tax already doesn't cover the entire road budget, and this is going to become more of a problem over time as more and more people switch to electric vehicles.

The federal gas tax hasn't been raised since 1993, and is not indexed to inflation. Construction materials and labor have gone up a whole lot since 1993.

Oklahoma has the 7th lowest gas tax in the nation, so a lot of the transportation costs that gas tax pays for in the other states we have to pay for with things like license plate fees. And I believe the most recent state gas tax increase was earmarked to education.