Edmond has commenced in a study planning out the east side of town through a project titled East Edmond 2050. The website for the study is below as are a survey and a YouTube video of the shareholder meeting.

Website
https://www.eastedmond2050plan.com/

Survey
https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/eastedmond2050

Shareholder Meeting
https://youtu.be/FL_cs1-swgw

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I did see this a few days ago on the COE website. I am adjacent to this area. Its going to be interesting to see how this turns out. Major changes happening east of I 35 in Edmond.

There is a TON of new construction that part of the world, to go along with pretty subpar roads. They are staring at a major infrastructure problem in the next 10-15 years.

The county plan was for Douglas to be repaved this summer. I talked to the county commisioner and asked him if he would kindly hold off. A new road I would guess would be trash after doz of concrete trucks and other heavy trucks going up and down to building sites each day. I see them out of my window almost constantly. Makes better sense for new roads later in the build process. There already is water, sewer, fiber optic lines and cable.

There is a TON of new construction that part of the world, to go along with pretty subpar roads. They are staring at a major infrastructure problem in the next 10-15 years.

Same issue in the grid of roads roughly bounded by SH-74, Kilpatrick/Memorial, Piedmont Road, and Waterloo Road.

There is a TON of new construction that part of the world, to go along with pretty subpar roads. They are staring at a major infrastructure problem in the next 10-15 years.

Maybe they should focus on fixing "west" Edmond problems first? Edmond proper has nearly 100,000 people and outside of a few streets, the city is designed for 25,000.

Back in 1980, they kept saying that the city is planning to grow. Well the planning for major streets in town didnt happen for planning for 100K plus that we will be seeing soon.

Back in 1980, they kept saying that the city is planning to grow. Well the planning for major streets in town didnt happen for planning for 100K plus that we will be seeing soon.

Maybe they should focus on fixing "west" Edmond problems first? Edmond proper has nearly 100,000 people and outside of a few streets, the city is designed for 25,000.
No kidding. Almost every major street should be already be 3 lanes each way yet many still don’t even have turn lanes. Broadway though the city should a grade separated expressway. There should already be a NW loop freeway connecting I-35 to Hefner Parkway. Edmond should have double the bus service and double the mileage of bike lanes. Not to mention the city still needs to pay into a commuter rail connection. Infrastructure is criminally under built in this city it’s insane.

No kidding. Almost every major street should be already be 3 lanes each way yet many still don’t even have turn lanes. Broadway though the city should a grade separated expressway. There should already be a NW loop freeway connecting I-35 to Hefner Parkway. Edmond should have double the bus service and double the mileage of bike lanes. Not to mention the city still needs to pay into a commuter rail connection. Infrastructure is criminally under built in this city it’s insane.

This article is dated to 2012, but explains a lot of how Edmond "grew" to be where it is now:
https://oklahoman.com/article/3707751/city-planner-bob-schiermeyer-knows-edmonds-history

Schiermeyer retired in 2016
https://oklahoman.com/article/5531319/edmond-planning-director-with-tons-of-institutional-knowledge-retires

Thanks for those links. I’ll check it out tonight. Right now Edmond is getting by. That won’t be the case much longer until gridlock begins to choke the city to the point where it begins to prohibit growth. It’s a decade or two away from getting to that point. Today Danforth was backed up almost a mile from I-35. I get Covell is closed but that’s a sign of things to come.

Thanks for those links. I’ll check it out tonight. Right now Edmond is getting by. That won’t be the case much longer until gridlock begins to choke the city to the point where it begins to prohibit growth. It’s a decade or two away from getting to that point. Today Danforth was backed up almost a mile from I-35. I get Covell is closed but that’s a sign of things to come.

And with the new development at the Danforth northbound exit and slightly to the east -the Danforth exit will need immediate attention or exit traffic might backup all the way to Second street.

And with the new development at the Danforth northbound exit and slightly to the east -the Danforth exit will need immediate attention or exit traffic might backup all the way to Second street.

There is going to be a lot of that as far as things which should’ve been taken care of long ago but weren’t. The NIMBYness of the past is going to cause some severe headaches in the future.

They need to cut police funding and focus those funds to infrastructure. Edmond is well known for having more police on duty than crimes for the week, and bad traffic. Solve both.

I graduated from UCO and so that area is a soft spot for me, but don't live in Edmond, so don't really have a dog in this fight. I just had a couple comments that are probably mostly unrelated.

1) It's weird to me that they don't just use I-35 as the east/west boundary
2) I didn't realize the entirety of Lake Arcadia was not located in Edmond, that part was in OKC
3) The only thing I want to see out of this is for the trail around Lake Arcadia to get done, and for some stubs to be put in place to eventually connect it to the rest of the metro trail network; Maybe also some foresight into alternate transportation mode connectivity back toward the west side, in particular as might pertain to any future commuter rail and bike infrastructure

They need to cut police funding and focus those funds to infrastructure. Edmond is well known for having more police on duty than crimes for the week, and bad traffic. Solve both.

It’s that funding that keeps our city as safe and secure as it is. For 2019 Edmond was the 80th safest city in the country having a population of 75,000 or more. In the state, Edmond is the #1 safest city for total crime rate composed of both violent and property crimes.

With respect to the topic at hand, our police don’t have the staffing to adequately patrol east of I-35 as it is. Defunding won’t fix that and developers won’t build if their materials and equipment are free to be stolen at will without any patrol deterrent.


I graduated from UCO and so that area is a soft spot for me, but don't live in Edmond, so don't really have a dog in this fight. I just had a couple comments that are probably mostly unrelated.

3) The only thing I want to see out of this is for the trail around Lake Arcadia to get done, and for some stubs to be put in place to eventually connect it to the rest of the metro trail network; Maybe also some foresight into alternate transportation mode connectivity back toward the west side, in particular as might pertain to any future commuter rail and bike infrastructure

Lake Arcadia should be a big focus. There is a lot of potential it just takes risks. They need to complete the two parks on the east side then once done, renovate the three initial parks. Then they need to do the boardwalk and pier as has been tossed about for years. The scenic view from the patio of a nice restaurant looking west over the lake at sunset would eclipse anything you’d experience at Lake Hefner where you simply see houses and building in the distance.

Add to that the trail encircling the lake and it could be a go to spot in the metro.

I saw where Edmond is considering contracting the sheriffs for policing operations as opposed to using municipal police East if I-35 or at least the was a question in the survey.

I saw where Edmond is considering contracting the sheriffs for policing operations as opposed to using municipal police East if I-35 or at least the was a question in the survey.

Yeah that would never fly. The city has grown to accustomed to the level of service EPD provides. Those on the Sheriff side of the line would quickly grow bitter and let their voices be heard. I too found that question odd.

I’m pretty surprised they haven’t announced a new substation East of I-35. Not sure about the schedule now with COVID being a thing and all but the new high school was originally scheduled to begin construction in a few years and by then the city will be well over 100k with many residents opting for east Edmond.

Seems like a police substation around the Covell I-35 area is a no brainer with an upgraded lake Arcadia station that can support a small fleet of patrol cars and perhaps bike patrols for the path around Arcadia once that is completed.

I’m pretty surprised they haven’t announced a new substation East of I-35. Not sure about the schedule now with COVID being a thing and all but the new high school was originally scheduled to begin construction in a few years and by then the city will be well over 100k with many residents opting for east Edmond.

Seems like a police substation around the Covell I-35 area is a no brainer with an upgraded lake Arcadia station that can support a small fleet of patrol cars and perhaps bike patrols for the path around Arcadia once that is completed.

Here’s part of what I “dreamt”/envisioned on the east side of the lake and added to the survey. The pier/boardwalk with restaurants and shops that cater to the lake atomisphere (fishing, general food/drinks), running, bike shop, etc.) then toward the south end of the “boardwalk” there essentially being a Public Safety Center - East composed of the PD Substation and a Fire Station located along the paved trail.

This would provide immediate access to the trail via their UTVs then could also build a new boathouse extending off the parking area for both police and fire boats. Would integrate Public Safety into the development for community interaction and consolidate the substation and lake patrol within one facility in lieu of two.

Here’s part of what I “dreamt”/envisioned on the east side of the lake and added to the survey. The pier/boardwalk with restaurants and shops that cater to the lake atomisphere (fishing, general food/drinks), running, bike shop, etc.) then toward the south end of the “boardwalk” there essentially being a Public Safety Center - East composed of the PD Substation and a Fire Station located along the paved trail.

This would provide immediate access to the trail via their UTVs then could also build a new boathouse extending off the parking area for both police and fire boats. Would integrate Public Safety into the development for community interaction and consolidate the substation and lake patrol within one facility in lieu of two.

While the land/scenery is nice around the lake. The actual water is so NOT attractive. Wish it was clearer type water but that muddy look is just ugly.

While the land/scenery is nice around the lake. The actual water is so NOT attractive. Wish it was clearer type water but that muddy look is just ugly.

I defy you to find a clear lake anywhere in Oklahoma. Your best chance is Lake Tenkiller which has scuba diving certification and is still a muddy junk pile.

Broken Bow Lake is clear.

I was looking at Google maps. I didn't realize how much land Edmond occupies. It could easily be a quarter million population city if it were developed right.

I would go a step further and claim it could host over 300k people easily. Norman has a lot of land as well.

I would go a step further and claim it could host over 300k people easily. Norman has a lot of land as well.

While I agree this is possible...with the current inner city traffic being as bad as is it -I can imagine how much worse it can become. Yikes!

Could but Edmond has got to get over the mindset it is a small, Suburban town. It’s a good sized city with a small town attitude. That and if they are going to do anything, they need to get the ball rolling while you see many relocating to the middle of the country in search of a more peaceful life. Wait to long and everyone that is relocating will be in Texas spending their tax dollars there.

Edmond has the usual busy section line streets but it is getting large enough it needs to have through-ways - that is, at least two east-west streets with limited commercial development and preferred-priority, timed traffic lights (since limited access parkways are too late on the west side) and 2 more north-south streets. It's not too late on the east side. Plan ahead, Edmond!

Douglas blvd with 90 ft from center line right of way Covell to Waterloo is the plan.

I defy you to find a clear lake anywhere in Oklahoma. Your best chance is Lake Tenkiller which has scuba diving certification and is still a muddy junk pile.


Broken Bow Lake is clear.

Yes, the bottom of Broken Bow is slate instead of clay and it's a beautiful lake/area.

I believe Lake Murray has a rock bottom and clear water.

I believe Lake Murray has a rock bottom and clear water.

lake of the arbuckles is very clear ..

New survey up:

https://www.edmondok.com/CivicAlerts.aspx?AID=830

https://www.eastedmond2050plan.com/

New survey up:

https://www.edmondok.com/CivicAlerts.aspx?AID=830

https://www.eastedmond2050plan.com/

Pretty disappointing survey results, but to be expected I guess.

Edmond really needs a Frisco style dev to anchor its east side.

Pretty disappointing survey results, but to be expected I guess.

Edmond really needs a Frisco style dev to anchor its east side.
Completely agreed. I even said that in the additional suggestions along with ensuring all roads can be widened to six lanes and accommodate dense developments not rural.

Pretty disappointing survey results, but to be expected I guess.

Edmond really needs a Frisco style dev to anchor its east side.

What results?

What results?
The scenarios drafted by the city based on some of the results and input from the last poll. To be fair, I really have my doubts Edmond is going to implement some grand master plan or truly follow it if it does do so in any fashion.

They do have a scenario what they call “community of villages” which they sorta kinda hint at those being mixed use type scattered around.

The scenarios drafted by the city based on some of the results and input from the last poll. To be fair, I really have my doubts Edmond is going to implement some grand master plan or truly follow it if it does do so in any fashion.

They do have a scenario what they call “community of villages” which they sorta kinda hint at those being mixed use type scattered around.

So it's not really a problem with any survey results - it's more based on a bunch of assumptions with no basis? The limited survey results I could find - https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5f32b61b7f26bd446af8da41/t/5fb8231a402a8a362bacad20/1605903132788/East+Edmond+Survey+Summary.pdf - don't really have anything that seems to upsetting to me. Besides the fact that 35% of the respondents were over 75 and probably won't even be alive in 2050. That and how few folks actually did the survey.

As for Edmond following their master plan, do you have any evidence that they won't implement or follow it? Because Edmond has pretty consistently been developing these plans and following them for a while and I've seen no evidence they won't follow them. From the trails master plan, to the downtown master, to the overall Edmond plan (which is our main long term plan document).

The scenarios drafted by the city based on some of the results and input from the last poll. To be fair, I really have my doubts Edmond is going to implement some grand master plan or truly follow it if it does do so in any fashion.

They do have a scenario what they call “community of villages” which they sorta kinda hint at those being mixed use type scattered around.

I picture these as the mega neighborhoods along 380 in Texas, near Prosper.

Here's a breakdown of the 5 scenarios - https://files.halff.com/wl/?id=CGZijFuQGGXFL5UwmdGZq2rgip9GuHZF

When I did the survey option E (The community of villages) jumped out to me as a top contender, as it protects the rural feel while still allowing good urban concepts in limited clusters. Otherwise I prefer D. I don't think we can continue C without some additional planning, and A and B would be too limiting for our expected growth.

So it's not really a problem with any survey results - it's more based on a bunch of assumptions with no basis? The limited survey results I could find - https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5f32b61b7f26bd446af8da41/t/5fb8231a402a8a362bacad20/1605903132788/East+Edmond+Survey+Summary.pdf - don't really have anything that seems to upsetting to me. Besides the fact that 35% of the respondents were over 75 and probably won't even be alive in 2050. That and how few folks actually did the survey.

As for Edmond following their master plan, do you have any evidence that they won't implement or follow it? Because Edmond has pretty consistently been developing these plans and following them for a while and I've seen no evidence they won't follow them. From the trails master plan, to the downtown master, to the overall Edmond plan (which is our main long term plan document).
Do I have any evidence they will or won’t do something that haven’t done yet? Is that a serious question?

As for them following their master plan, they often amend the zoning and deviate from it and it’s happened dozens of times since I’ve been waiting city planning and council meetings. I should rephrase what I said however given that if the scenarios of either continuing development as currently shown or maintaining the rural feel, if either of those scenarios are chosen, then I’m sure Edmond will follow that plan as it’s good at doing that. Anything innovative or transformational, no I don’t see Edmond following that plan.

I picture these as the mega neighborhoods along 380 in Texas, near Prosper.

Here's the description from the 2018 Edmond Plan -


Areas that provide a unique opportunity to create a rural village reflective of the nearby character and history. Small-scale commercial activity surrounded by a pedestrian-friendly neighborhood creates the feeling of a traditional small-town or village. An important civic resource (library, public safety building, fire station) might anchor a key corner in the area. The intensity of this Category helps protect the nearby Agricultural and Rural Neighborhoods by absorbing development demand.

I picture these as the mega neighborhoods along 380 in Texas, near Prosper.
It would be nice but we need a new freeway loop through east Edmond. Had this been Texas we’d already have a freeway loop north of Edmond with wife arterials in east Edmond with second street by Arcadia being looked at for a freeway conversion and Broadway being a half freeway by now. Those are things that should happen and would have 3 hours south but noooooo that’s too ambitious and scary for Edmond. Whatever is chosen the infrastructure needs to be seriously looked at and the council seems to be doing just that so we’ll see what they propose as the finer details start to come out on this.

Do I have any evidence they will or won’t do something that haven’t done yet? Is that a serious question?

As I thought.

It would be nice but we need a new freeway loop through east Edmond. Had this been Texas we’d already have a freeway loop north of Edmond with wife arterials in east Edmond with second street by Arcadia being looked at for a freeway conversion and Broadway being a half freeway by now. Those are things that should happen and would have 3 hours south but noooooo that’s too ambitious and scary for Edmond. Whatever is chosen the infrastructure needs to be seriously looked at and the council seems to be doing just that so we’ll see what they propose as the finer details start to come out on this.

It does help that they can piss money, but state and federal, whenever they want. Oklahoma gets jack squat, especially federally, and that inhibits those types of things. They have to be more selective in what they propose.

And cities don't typically build freeways. That's more a state thing. Additionally, there are clear traffic/population criteria and the idea that there needs to be a freeway or tons of 6 lane roads east of I-35 is completely absurd and not based in any sort of reality.

And cities don't typically build freeways. That's more a state thing. Additionally, there are clear traffic/population criteria and the idea that there needs to be a freeway or tons of 6 lane roads east of I-35 is completely absurd and not based in any sort of reality.
You must have missed my part of the proposal where I suggested adequate ROW as opposed to embarking on a massive construction spree right now or perhaps way to spin my words.

It would be nice but we need a new freeway loop through east Edmond. Had this been Texas we’d already have a freeway loop north of Edmond with wife arterials in east Edmond with second street by Arcadia being looked at for a freeway conversion and Broadway being a half freeway by now. Those are things that should happen and would have 3 hours south but noooooo that’s too ambitious and scary for Edmond. Whatever is chosen the infrastructure needs to be seriously looked at and the council seems to be doing just that so we’ll see what they propose as the finer details start to come out on this.

Your own words. Nothing is being spun.

And cities don't typically build freeways. That's more a state thing. Additionally, there are clear traffic/population criteria and the idea that there needs to be a freeway or tons of 6 lane roads east of I-35 is completely absurd and not based in any sort of reality.
The point of post wasn’t to say Edmond should bear the responsibility but rather they would oppose any proposal either way.

Your own words. Nothing is being spun.
You are spinning my words.

You conveniently skipped over my post responding directly to the survey and proposal for east Edmond


Completely agreed. I even said that in the additional suggestions along with ensuring all roads can be widened to six lanes and accommodate dense developments not rural.

Read that.

My other post was responding to another poster who brought up Texas and their planning. That’s more in line with what Texas would do or have done by this point. Edmond isn’t notorious for its traffic for no reason.

You are saying I’m proposing Edmond embarks on a road and freeway building spree right now in east Edmond which is bloody ridiculous. Stop spinning my words.

It does help that they can piss money, but state and federal, whenever they want. Oklahoma gets jack squat, especially federally, and that inhibits those types of things. They have to be more selective in what they propose.
Yeah, you’re not wrong there. Unfortunately I can’t help but also think some of it has to do with inaction on the part of the state. I think Oklahoma could do more than it is.

New email on this today:


The East Edmond 2050 Plan has entered its final phase of review and action by the City of Edmond's Planning Commission and City Council. The draft planning document will be presented by our lead consultant at a City Council Workshop on Monday, February 14 at 3:30pm. The workshop will be broadcast on the City's live stream and recorded for later viewing.

The Planning Commission will make its recommendation on the plan in March and then forward the plan to City Council for their consideration.

Thank you for your continued interest in this project.

This is related to east Edmond and location being chosen due to center of Edmonds 90 square miles.
City is looking to acquire land from Henderson Hills Baptist Church to build a new YMCA on east side and another city library and then utilize existing parking from Henderson Hills.

This seems like a good plan. East edmond is far from Mitch park so replicate this and also close enough to tie into the Arcadia trails. And utilizes HHBC parking lots that are empty 6 days of the week

This is related to east Edmond and location being chosen due to center of Edmonds 90 square miles.
City is looking to acquire land from Henderson Hills Baptist Church to build a new YMCA on east side and another city library and then utilize existing parking from Henderson Hills.

This seems like a good plan. East edmond is far from Mitch park so replicate this and also close enough to tie into the Arcadia trails. And utilizes HHBC parking lots that are empty 6 days of the week

why would the city build a YMCA??

why would the city build a YMCA??

Well they already did the Mitch park YMCA so it’s not unprecedented.
Same reasons okc build senior centers or other capital program buildings. It’s seem as a community asset that will increase valuation of city and health benefits. Etc.

I’m sure they build the building and then turn it over to YMCA for operations.

Well they already did the Mitch park YMCA so it’s not unprecedented.
Same reasons okc build senior centers or other capital program buildings. It’s seem as a community asset that will increase valuation of city and health benefits. Etc.

I’m sure they build the building and then turn it over to YMCA for operations.

the city of edmond didn't build that for the YMCA ..

it was a 3 way partnership and the City didn't spend the most money the School district did at over 11 mil YMCA spent 6.2 the city spent about the same ..

It looks like the plan has been adopted:

https://www.edmondok.gov/CivicAlerts.aspx?AID=958&fbclid=IwAR0xFYsiP3tu2G93XT5UJ3_mMM9WgUudUKsf6EZZq n6JiwzVn5Ou3Ya51oY

Glad they are addressing run off and drainage. I responded to their survey a while back as an affected resident and glad this was included.

Yes a Edmond Police Sub-Station is needed Norman may want to look into getting one as well

Yes a Edmond Police Sub-Station is needed Norman may want to look into getting one as well

While not a sub station, there is a new facility in the works to house the Lake Patrol component of the agency. This will be collocated with other lake staff offices along Highway 66 across from the temporary Lake Patrol office. That said, while an increased presence out east would be constructive, that’d require adding more officers and finding people to hire for those positions is problematic nowadays.