There are trees along the roadway of the Domino property.

They couldn't put any along the east side of May in front of the renovated strip center because there isn't room without taking out parking spaces, and they barely have enough to meet code.

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There are trees along the roadway of the Domino property.

They couldn't put any along the east side of May in front of the renovated strip center because there isn't room without taking out parking spaces, and they barely have enough to meet code.

Code requires too many spaces... :)

Code requires too many spaces... :)
They could get a variance. Why wouldn’t the city grant it? They let Shadid get away with so much crap but won’t grant a variance to trim down a few parking spots?

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This place looks like a small city by itself. Other than anything involved with OAK, some other mid-rise developments would really be a great add. Preferably mixed development projects would be great for the area, it's just too bad that the bulk of the empty lots will be strip mall developments instead.

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Just south of Panda Express will be HTeaO.

South of that will be two more parcels and it looks like one will be Five Guys.

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They could get a variance. Why wouldn’t the city grant it? They let Shadid get away with so much crap but won’t grant a variance to trim down a few parking spots?

I don't fault the developer on this - why would you pay to go get a variance to pay to install not-required landscaping, when you could just restripe or repair the asphalt and be good?

I fault the old codes, which the City is working on updating...

Just south of Panda Express will be HTeaO.

South of that will be two more parcels and it looks like one will be Five Guys.

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I recall hearing somewhere that Five Guys and Starbucks are gonna be on the old Central Presbyterian site.

I recall hearing somewhere that Five Guys and Starbucks are gonna be on the old Central Presbyterian site.

Along with Taco Casa?

Along with Taco Casa?

Yes

Drove through this area over the past weekend and how just with the Domino alone that intersection looks lightyears better than it had before. Glad there's stuff going in there. When we lived nearby I would have loved to have had all that stuff there and it looking really nice. That old Shell that was razed was so ugly. Things are looking great over there!

Man, HTea0's going in everywhere........but Edmond! How in the world can Edmond of all places have an HTea0 drought?

HTea0 is good, don't get me wrong. But it is blowing my mind how popular it is. On Monday at about 3:00 I thought I'd swing by the 23rd St. location for a refreshing drink and I was not the only one. The drive through line was through the parking lot and onto 23rd for probably 50-60 feet, backing up traffic a fair bit. Pretty amazing (and it does seem like it's a perfect Edmond-type establishment).

I office at that corner - it's about to get a lot busier. Though I wish things other than fast food were going in, they are at least much better options than they could be.

HTea0 is good, don't get me wrong. But it is blowing my mind how popular it is. On Monday at about 3:00 I thought I'd swing by the 23rd St. location for a refreshing drink and I was not the only one. The drive through line was through the parking lot and onto 23rd for probably 50-60 feet, backing up traffic a fair bit. Pretty amazing (and it does seem like it's a perfect Edmond-type establishment).

I office at that corner - it's about to get a lot busier. Though I wish things other than fast food were going in, they are at least much better options than they could be.

agreed on all counts ... it is good but it is crazy to me that it is as popular and successful as it is ..

The love for it is nothing different than love for AM coffee stops people do at places like Starbucks, SummerMoon, Dutch Brothers, etc. We love iced tea and we go multiple times per week. We used to stop at places like OnCue, 7-Eleven, Sonic and let's face it sometimes it's old tasting, like it's sat for hours. But at HTea0 it's always fresh and they've got it staying cold and circulated in the things they use.

I've always thought it was crazy seeing folks lined up forever at coffee places in the mornings even though I like coffee. So I can certainly see why people would think it's crazy to see the tea place packed all the time.

HTea0 is good, don't get me wrong. But it is blowing my mind how popular it is. On Monday at about 3:00 I thought I'd swing by the 23rd St. location for a refreshing drink and I was not the only one. The drive through line was through the parking lot and onto 23rd for probably 50-60 feet, backing up traffic a fair bit. Pretty amazing (and it does seem like it's a perfect Edmond-type establishment).

I office at that corner - it's about to get a lot busier. Though I wish things other than fast food were going in, they are at least much better options than they could be.

They do happy hour from 2-4 with 1/2 priced drinks, so you were in the thick of it. I'm more of a coffee drinker, but the tea I've had from there is very good (and with sonic-style ice). I have coworkers who go every day, at least once.

Don't forget to download the HTeaO app to earn drips if you go often.

Don't forget to download the HTeaO app to earn drips if you go often.

If you go often enough, do you get enough drips to become the Drip King and get rizzed up by Livvy Dunne, a la Baby Gronk?

The love for it is nothing different than love for AM coffee stops people do at places like Starbucks, SummerMoon, Dutch Brothers, etc. We love iced tea and we go multiple times per week. We used to stop at places like OnCue, 7-Eleven, Sonic and let's face it sometimes it's old tasting, like it's sat for hours. But at HTea0 it's always fresh and they've got it staying cold and circulated in the things they use.

I've always thought it was crazy seeing folks lined up forever at coffee places in the mornings even though I like coffee. So I can certainly see why people would think it's crazy to see the tea place packed all the time.

I guess I'm missing something. I have homemade ice tea in my refrigerator all of the time and could never imagine going somewhere to buy it already made. I suspect it must just be for specialty flavors of tea.

Looks nice and tidy. Lot cleaner look o the corner. A few trees along the road would ne nice but understand they can obstruct sightlines of oncoming traffic when pulling out

I agree. I would love to see some more trees. It looks much better than before but the sight of a giant concrete parking lot with hardly any trees is so depressing to me.

I guess I'm missing something. I have homemade ice tea in my refrigerator all of the time and could never imagine going somewhere to buy it already made. I suspect it must just be for specialty flavors of tea.

For me, yes it is the many different flavors and combinations. I get what you're saying. I guess I'm missing something on the morning commercial coffee rush. I would never go and spend $5 on a cup of straight black coffee at Starbucks or Dutch Brothers as I brew my own at home in the mornings.

For me, yes it is the many different flavors and combinations. I get what you're saying. I guess I'm missing something on the morning commercial coffee rush. I would never go and spend $5 on a cup of straight black coffee at Starbucks or Dutch Brothers as I brew my own at home in the mornings.

Urban myth. A cup of straight black coffee at either of those places (or pretty much anyplace) does *not* cost $5, it's usually $2-3.

Urban myth. A cup of straight black coffee at either of those places (or pretty much anyplace) does *not* cost $5, it's usually $2-3.

No myth about it -- A venti Americano (black coffee with nothing added) at Starbucks @ Kelly and Danforth in Edmond is $4.60. Thanks for playing!

LOL, okay -- A venti Americano (black coffee with nothing added) at Starbucks at Kelly and Danforth in Edmond is $4.60. Thanks for playing!

A venti Americano is not a black coffee.....
A venti Americano is two shots of espresso and hot water.

A cup of black coffee is a drip coffee. A venti would probably be around $3.50 which would be about $2 at McDonalds.

If I get a drip coffee at Starbucks, it is usually when I am socializing at Starbucks - in which case, you can get free refills.

A venti Americano is not a black coffee.....
A venti Americano is two shots of espresso and hot water.

A cup of black coffee is a drip coffee. A venti would probably be around $3.50 which would be about $2 at McDonalds.

If I get a drip coffee at Starbucks, it is usually when I am socializing at Starbucks - in which case, you can get free refills.

Thank you so much, I stand corrected. I figured Americano was just drip -- tells you about how often I go in there. So, Starbucks Venti auto drip at that same location is $3.52. Right on, Fort.

Still more than the $2-3 expressed earlier. :)

Thank you so much, I stand corrected. I figured Americano was just drip -- tells you about how often I go in there. So, Starbucks Venti auto drip at that same location is $3.52. Right on, Fort.

Still more than the $2-3 expressed earlier. :)

Ooooh, a whole 52 cents more, I lose, how horrible..... FWIW, I have never bought a venti coffee at any *$, I always got a grande when I was patronizing them, so that's what I was basing my pricing on. :rolleyes:

And a Starbucks Venti Americano is 4 shots of espresso - equal to two to four cups of drip coffee from a caffeine perspective (lots of variables here) and is 20 oz. of coffee - which is a lot of coffee at one time. Not saying it's the cheapest thing in the world (and I'm not really a Starbucks fan at all), but it's kinda like saying you're surprised ordering a fast food double cheeseburger is exponentially more expensive than the cost of the raw ingredients to make a single cheeseburger at home. Of course it is.

And a Starbucks Venti Americano is 4 shots of espresso - equal to two to four cups of drip coffee from a caffeine perspective (lots of variables here) and is 20 oz. of coffee - which is a lot of coffee at one time. Not saying it's the cheapest thing in the world (and I'm not really a Starbucks fan at all), but it's kinda like saying you're surprised ordering a fast food double cheeseburger is exponentially more expensive than the cost of the raw ingredients to make a single cheeseburger at home. Of course it is.

Absolutely and totally makes sense.

Totally didn't mean to hijack the thread. Bottom line is that whether it's a $3.52 cup of black Joe or a $4.60 Americano, folks will and do happily pay a premium for coffee and tea at these specialty places even though they can make this stuff at home.

Anyway, Mayfair really is looking good.

Actually, Five Guys is going south of HTeaO in the northernmost bay of a small strip center; will have a drive-thru.

Other than filling a couple of small bays in that same new strip, that will do it for the east side of May and really Mayfair in general. The Taco Casa and new strip center on the NW corner of the intersection was never part of Mayfair.

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Nothing in this world will make me a fan of strip centers with large parking lots or drive-thru businesses, but I’m so thrilled at the resurgence and momentum of Mayfair. I wish they could’ve remodeled/kept all the structures in the style of the SW structure but seeing the area become much more active is the next best thing.

Actually, Five Guys is going south of HTeaO in the northernmost bay of a small strip center; will have a drive-thru.

Other than filling a couple of small bays in that same new strip, that will do it for the east side of May and really Mayfair in general. The Taco Casa and new strip center on the NW corner of the intersection was never part of Mayfair.

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Mayfair-ea, Pete. Or Mayfairea. /s

Actually, Five Guys is going south of HTeaO in the northernmost bay of a small strip center; will have a drive-thru.

Other than filling a couple of small bays in that same new strip, that will do it for the east side of May and really Mayfair in general. The Taco Casa and new strip center on the NW corner of the intersection was never part of Mayfair.

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Regarding the Five Guys, where is the strip mall it's going?

Regarding the Five Guys, where is the strip mall it's going?

South of HTeaO instead of the two stand-alone drive-thru buildings.

South of HTeaO instead of the two stand-alone drive-thru buildings.

Ah, ok. I understand now.

The building permit applications have been filed for HTeaO (immediately south of Panda Express) and the retail building immediately to the south of that, which will contain Five Guys and a couple of spaces for tenants yet to be identified.

Work has started at the north end of the northwest corner of this project, in the area of Taco Casa.


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As I am reading this, on the west side of May Avenue, across from Target and going north to south, it will be (existing) Whataburger, (existing) Jack In The Box, new Taco Casa and other retail/restaurant?

As I am reading this, on the west side of May Avenue, across from Target and going north to south, it will be (existing) Whataburger, (existing) Jack In The Box, new Taco Casa and other retail/restaurant?

Correct.

And south of Taco Casa and the retail building will be a 3rd building to be determined; on the hard corner.

I guess there is some sort of building code requirement but that seems like an excessive amount of parking.

thanks for the new illustration of the Panda Express/Five Guys area. I didn't fully understand the new layout with Five Guys, etc until now.

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Is something in the works on the old church site?

Is something in the works on the old church site?

There have been a bunch of posts. Read upthread.

Oh, sorry I had the Taco Casa and the Panda Express parts confused in my mind and thought that was all the development on the south end.

On the NW corner of 50th & May -- site of the old Presbyterian church -- work is moving along.

The center building is well under construction and Starbucks will be taking the northern half.


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Thanks for the update, Pete!

What a spectacular waste of that corner. Bunch of middling fast food or coffee places. I wish there was some forethought and creativity in this development. Or some housing with this.

What a nice addition to that area!

Thanks for the update, Pete!

What a spectacular waste of that corner. Bunch of middling fast food or coffee places. I wish there was some forethought and creativity in this development. Or some housing with this.
This. Just waste.

That’s how I feel about this whole development.

You're not the only one. Holy crappy strip mall string of crap Batman.

You sure sound like a pleasure to be around.

I don't care for mediocrity strip centers either, but not every corner in the city needs to be a multi-level mixed retail and housing development. Besides, right down the road is going to be one of the largest in the city. To me, i'm just happy that there will be new buildings -- cookie cutter as they may be -- and as a result be nicer than what was there before. I'm glad they were able to revamp some of the original building there close to Aldi and wish the would've been able to do the same across the street, but nonetheless the area already looks better than it was.

I don't care for mediocrity strip centers either, but not every corner in the city needs to be a multi-level mixed retail and housing development. Besides, right down the road is going to be one of the largest in the city.
This part is why they could (and imo should) have tried to aim higher.

I don't care for mediocrity strip centers either, but not every corner in the city needs to be a multi-level mixed retail and housing development. Besides, right down the road is going to be one of the largest in the city. To me, i'm just happy that there will be new buildings -- cookie cutter as they may be -- and as a result be nicer than what was there before. I'm glad they were able to revamp some of the original building there close to Aldi and wish the would've been able to do the same across the street, but nonetheless the area already looks better than it was.

This is exactly what I meant. Some people wouldn't be happy unless it was a multi-use infill, high-rise, arena of some kind or God knows what. I live in Mayfair West, and I'm thrilled that they're developing that lot into something simple, decent and new. With so much eyesore lots littered around OKC, just be happy and chill out Dudes (not you MagzOK).

The lack of ability to recognize nuance is frustrating. I’m not pointing to any particular poster, but to the internet in general. This corner does not have to be a multi-level mixed use masterpiece or some grand palace of urban design. Just building these same shops and restaurants in a more or less architecturally consistent fashion with some modern design and a few pedestrian-friendly touches would have been more than sufficient for most of us that are disappointed in what this strip has become.

The lack of ability to recognize nuance is frustrating. I’m not pointing to any particular poster, but to the internet in general. This corner does not have to be a multi-level mixed use masterpiece or some grand palace of urban design. Just building these same shops and restaurants in a more or less architecturally consistent fashion with some modern design and a few pedestrian-friendly touches would have been more than sufficient for most of us that are disappointed in what this strip has become.

Always easy to complain when its not your money or risk but the fact is the parts of Mayfair that remain were completely refurbished and brought in good new tenants. The parts of Mayfair and the church that was torn down are being replaced with businesses that will bring tons more economic activity than what was there previously. The amount of increased sales and ad valorem taxes from on these 3 corners will be huge. Not everything has to be, or even can be OAK.

Sigh. I am frustrated and it is my own fault that I am really not able to get my point across. Let me try once more.

I am not saying these new places will not have increased economic activity. I am talking about design. One last attempt at what I am getting at:

Look at Nichols Hills Plaza. Look at Classen Curve. Those are developments in the same general vicinity. Yes, they cater to high incomes and the Mayfair area does not have to. But what do those retail centers have in common? They invite people into - I don't know - a "place." They give people a reason to congregate a little bit. To some degree they are architecturally continuous. To some degree they can work with the surrounding neighborhood. Chisholm Creek is trying to do the same thing in a more suburban context.

The intersection of 50th and May is not the most important intersection in the closer-in city but it does have a history and it does represent one of the few spots in the older area where you have enough room to create something that looks like a community. Not creating a series of boxes each with their own parking that looks and acts like Memorial Road. The 36th and Walker area is another area that could hold the same potential.

I am not a designer or an architect or a planner but I just kind of know in my gut what I am talking about. Enough said.

Sigh. I am frustrated and it is my own fault that I am really not able to get my point across. Let me try once more.

I am not saying these new places will not have increased economic activity. I am talking about design. One last attempt at what I am getting at:

Look at Nichols Hills Plaza. Look at Classen Curve. Those are developments in the same general vicinity. Yes, they cater to high incomes and the Mayfair area does not have to. But what do those retail centers have in common? They invite people into - I don't know - a "place." They give people a reason to congregate a little bit. To some degree they are architecturally continuous. To some degree they can work with the surrounding neighborhood. Chisholm Creek is trying to do the same thing in a more suburban context.

The intersection of 50th and May is not the most important intersection in the closer-in city but it does have a history and it does represent one of the few spots in the older area where you have enough room to create something that looks like a community. Not creating a series of boxes each with their own parking that looks and acts like Memorial Road. The 36th and Walker area is another area that could hold the same potential.

I am not a designer or an architect or a planner but I just kind of know in my gut what I am talking about. Enough said.

I'm completely tracking with you.

Sigh. I am frustrated and it is my own fault that I am really not able to get my point across. Let me try once more.

I am not saying these new places will not have increased economic activity. I am talking about design. One last attempt at what I am getting at:

Look at Nichols Hills Plaza. Look at Classen Curve. Those are developments in the same general vicinity. Yes, they cater to high incomes and the Mayfair area does not have to. But what do those retail centers have in common? They invite people into - I don't know - a "place." They give people a reason to congregate a little bit. To some degree they are architecturally continuous. To some degree they can work with the surrounding neighborhood. Chisholm Creek is trying to do the same thing in a more suburban context.

The intersection of 50th and May is not the most important intersection in the closer-in city but it does have a history and it does represent one of the few spots in the older area where you have enough room to create something that looks like a community. Not creating a series of boxes each with their own parking that looks and acts like Memorial Road. The 36th and Walker area is another area that could hold the same potential.

I am not a designer or an architect or a planner but I just kind of know in my gut what I am talking about. Enough said.I see your point. The mention of Classen Curve being "a place to get people to congregate" I get. But I see something like Classen Curve and Nichols Hills Plaza as being on a different planet. Maybe I'm biased because I grew up very close to Mayfair. And to us those two areas could have been on a different planet. The other two developments fit where they are. The housing additions east and west of Mayfair haven't drastically changed in at least the 60 years I'm directly familiar with. In my view Mayfair fits perfectly in with the area.

Bill,
I appreciate your response. In full disclosure I did not grow up close to Mayfair and I do not have much personal history with it at all. I just enjoy studying cities and one thing I have come to appreciate is that what makes cities unique from suburbs is this idea of "community." Again I don't know Mayfair but I can picture those neighborhoods being full of people that might like to walk a block - for example - to a coffee shop. And I know there will be a Starbucks at the corner and I assume there will be a sidewalk but it's not the same thing. Mayfair has a name and a history. Even growing up 20 minutes away, we could pinpoint "Mayfair" and what it was. I remember it from the BC Clark commercials LOL. There are not very many nodes like that in OKC. Much of OKC looks like NW Highway or Memorial Road, in the sense that there is not one distinguishing characteristic about what you see from one mile to the next. And when you are talking about the suburbs, that's what you get. But that's what has traditionally made older parts of cities shine and I think in a few years there will be no Mayfair at all. It will just be "the spot on May Avenue where there are some new er buildings."