Yeah, I love the prosecutor's statement about how horrible it is, but they need to determine if the force was "excessive". Um, if it killed someone, it's excessive, full stop, period.

This is fundamental to our justice system. The prosecutor needs to see all of the evidence and the complete investigation before making definitive statements. If he says something definitive now and during the course of the investigation, contrary evidence is found, that is a problem. Also, everyone is innocent until proven guilty no matter how bad it looks. It is important for the rule of law to be followed. We cannot disregard the constitutional protections entitled to everyone.

I am stating this in a general sense for any criminal investigation and criminal prosecution, so please don’t play gotcha and call me a racist.

Yeah, I love the prosecutor's statement about how horrible it is, but they need to determine if the force was "excessive". Um, if it killed someone, it's excessive, full stop, period.

Ah, the old "guilty until proven innocent" theory...

Ah, the old "guilty until proven innocent" theory...

Are you implying Floyd is somehow still alive?

Derek Chauvin has been taken into custody.

https://kstp.com/news/arresting-officer-derek-chauvin-taken-into-custody-by-bca-george-floyd-case/5743589/?cat=1

Ah, the old "guilty until proven innocent" theory...

Yeah, can't be anything to it at all, they arrested and charged him with third-degree murder and manslaughter now, wonder how guilty he's going to be found?

Seriously, there's video of his actions which directly killed a man. Maybe in some twisted, perverted "blue lives matter" way, he'll get acquitted, but he'll still actually, in reality, be guilty of killing George Floyd.

Derek Chauvin has been taken into custody.

https://kstp.com/news/arresting-officer-derek-chauvin-taken-into-custody-by-bca-george-floyd-case/5743589/?cat=1

Hopefully that'll help some, but it's not enough.

Hopefully that'll help some, but it's not enough.
The other officers should be taken into custody too. They stood by and watched. I’m not a legal expert but there isn’t a charge that can be brought on them too? They could have stopped this.

Turns out he was placed in protective custody, not under arrest.

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6933246/Derek-Chauvin-Complaint.pdf

Manslaughter my ass. If someone held their knee over your neck until you quit breathing, they murdered you.

Right. Floyd gave fair warning when he said "I can't breathe". It's not worth arguing if he could really breathe, because the last person who said that died. It eventually appeared Floyd wasn't even able to try to say that he couldn't breathe. I'm glad the cop got charged with something and hopefully won't get away with it.

The other officers should be taken into custody too. They stood by and watched. I’m not a legal expert but there isn’t a charge that can be brought on them too? They could have stopped this.

Really. It was as if they don't know the last time a man detained by cops said, "I can't breathe" he died. I assume cops didn't bother putting him in the cop car, because they were waiting on the ambulance. But after he said, "I can't breathe" he should have had the knee off him and set him up. As I understand it, he had lowered himself to the ground before the video started, but that's no reason to put a knee to his neck, whether done deliberately or due to health problem.

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Yeah, can't be anything to it at all, they arrested and charged him with third-degree murder and manslaughter now, wonder how guilty he's going to be found?

Seriously, there's video of his actions which directly killed a man. Maybe in some twisted, perverted "blue lives matter" way, he'll get acquitted, but he'll still actually, in reality, be guilty of killing George Floyd.

I never said he was innocent, at all. But just assuming guilt based off incomplete video isn't fair. Also, will they even be able to have a jury trial? Everyone in that area has their opinions and biases. But you have to know that they have to toe the lines, so they don't risk hurting any case they have.

Yeah, can't be anything to it at all, they arrested and charged him with third-degree murder and manslaughter now, wonder how guilty he's going to be found?

Seriously, there's video of his actions which directly killed a man. Maybe in some twisted, perverted "blue lives matter" way, he'll get acquitted, but he'll still actually, in reality, be guilty of killing George Floyd.

So just because there is an incomplete video with no context and the public is rioting he isn’t entitled to a trial by jury and to be presumed innocent until proven guilty???

I agree that he should be charged, should be found guilty and should be punished...but by a judge and jury after his day in court...not by the public.

So just because there is an incomplete video with no context and the public is rioting he isn’t entitled to a trial by jury and to be presumed innocent until proven guilty???

I agree that he should be charged, should be found guilty and should be punished...but by a judge and jury after his day in court...not by the public.

I don't think he's saying that. You're a smart man, we have all seen the video. We aren't going off of hearsay. Of course he will have his day in court, but I don't think it will necessarily end well for him. Crazier things have happened in the legal system, however. This case might have a high chance of a mistrial.

So just because there is an incomplete video with no context and the public is rioting he isn’t entitled to a trial by jury and to be presumed innocent until proven guilty???

I agree that he should be charged, should be found guilty and should be punished...but by a judge and jury after his day in court...not by the public.
Agree. I wouldn't want to be in Minneapolis if the ex-officer is tried and found not guilty. I’m afraid the riots would make the Rodney King verdict riots look like nothing.

Now I wish I could remember where I saw the Capture, but there were a total of 3 officers on him. The second was on his mid section, the third on his legs.

I don't think he's saying that. You're a smart man, we have all seen the video. We aren't going off of hearsay. Of course he will have his day in court, but I don't think it will necessarily end well for him. Crazier things have happened in the legal system, however. This case might have a high chance of a mistrial.

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Now I wish I could remember where I saw the Capture, but there were a total of 3 officers on him. The second was on his mid section, the third on his legs.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/29/us/george-floyd-new-video-officers-kneel-trnd/index.html

The Black Lives Matter protest in Oklahoma City will be:

Sunday, May 31 at 2:30 p.m. at 36th Street & Kelley.

https://i.redd.it/r5pn60qecr151.png

White House is on lockdown. Riots outside of DC. I wonder how long it is until we see it here in OKC. CNN in Atlanta has crazy riots going on right now.

Killer Mike speaking from his heart. Super powerful. I recommend everyone watch. NSFW (language)


https://youtu.be/7lf_2JyXocY

White House is on lockdown. Riots outside of DC. I wonder how long it is until we see it here in OKC. CNN in Atlanta has crazy riots going on right now.


I highly doubt much rioting will occur in OKC. This is not the political forum, so will not get into the deep political nature of the riots. I will say, if you look at the cities that have riots, you will see a trend of who has been in charge of the local governments for the past 30-50 years and nothing has changed over this time. It is easy to blame others for the situation, but self reflection is important.

George Floyd Autopsy States Underlying Health Conditions 'Likely Contributed to His Death'

https://amp-www-complex-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.www.complex.com/life/2020/05/george-floyd-autopsy-underlying-health-conditions-likely-caused-death?usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D&amp_js_v=0.1#aoh=15908166804561&csi=1&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.complex.com%2Flife%2F20 20%2F05%2Fgeorge-floyd-autopsy-underlying-health-conditions-likely-caused-death

https://i.redd.it/r5pn60qecr151.png


Just to let you know. You are advocating for violence and destruction of personal property.

Just to let you know. You are advocating for violence and destruction of personal property.

And promoting the status quo is advocating systemic injustice that’s resulting in the deaths of countless minorities. Also that post isn’t condoning the violence but rather puts it in context. If you ignore the peaceful protests of a victimized group, they’re going to resort to more and more drastic measures to get heard.

Just to let you know. You are advocating for violence and destruction of personal property.

Telling that you would go straight to that line of thought...

I did no such thing.

George Floyd Autopsy States Underlying Health Conditions 'Likely Contributed to His Death'

https://amp-www-complex-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.www.complex.com/life/2020/05/george-floyd-autopsy-underlying-health-conditions-likely-caused-death?usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D&amp_js_v=0.1#aoh=15908166804561&csi=1&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.complex.com%2Flife%2F20 20%2F05%2Fgeorge-floyd-autopsy-underlying-health-conditions-likely-caused-death

Even if...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eggshell_skull

And promoting the status quo is advocating systemic injustice that’s resulting in the deaths of countless minorities. Also that post isn’t condoning the violence but rather puts it in context. If you ignore the peaceful protests of a victimized group, they’re going to resort to more and more drastic measures to get heard.

Please observe where these issues occur. In the place where one political party has been in power over 40 years always talking about doing stuff but never taking action. The political party needs a permanent underclass to vote for them. Who is oppressing who... the political party that has ruled these cities for a long time.

Even if...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eggshell_skull

The eggshell defense wouldn't work for me as a juror, because it was time for the cop to realize he was dealing with an eggshell when Floyd said, "I can't breathe". When a stream started coming from his body was the last warning sign to realize that.

Please observe where these issues occur. In the place where one political party has been in power over 40 years always talking about doing stuff but never taking action. The political party needs a permanent underclass to vote for them. Who is oppressing who... the political party that has ruled these cities for a long time.

America. They occur in America. Hence the "systemic" part of this. The system isn't local cities, towns, etc. but the whole underlying foundation of our country. You're absolutely delusional if you don't think these kinds of outcomes happen in "red" states and cities like OKC, Tulsa, Phoenix, Dallas, Tampa, Atlanta, etc. etc. etc.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/29/us/george-floyd-new-video-officers-kneel-trnd/index.html

Thank you. That picture is disturbing. The "Murder Cop" is on his neck and chest. On the large size too.

The eggshell defense wouldn't work for me as a juror, because it was time for the cop to realize he was dealing with an eggshell when Floyd said, "I can't breathe". When a stream started coming from his body was the last warning sign to realize that.

Good observation...

There comes a point the police who can't make rational judgement while the nation witnesses a bunch of police on one handcuffed individual (like a pack of Hyenas on a wildebeest) Floyd respectfully telling them he can't breathe; regardless of his medical condition or what he was charged with 'passing a fake $20 bill' didn't deserve to be executed (murdered).

Why was he put on the ground (treated in that manner) when you should have easily placed him in the police car.

The initial report the police made on George Floyd made no mention of these officers detaining him (omission cast suspicions). Thank God for the video. People are tired of the lies and failure to mention those details leading to Floyd's death--this is how you lose trust in your own law enforcement.

We have a law that if a person in the commission of a robbery is aiding & abetting; all involved are held accountable and charged for the actions if something goes wrong. Our law enforcement officers on the scene should be held to those same standards.

(?) Attorney General William Barr, you've aligned yourself with being President Trump's personal attorney; how much faith can the American people have in you...

Every Attorney General serves at the pleasure of their respective president

Good observation...

There comes a point the police who can't make rational judgement while the nation witnesses a bunch of police on one handcuffed individual (like a pack of Hyenas on a wildebeest) Floyd respectfully telling them he can't breathe; regardless of his medical condition or what he was charged with 'passing a fake $20 bill' didn't deserve to be executed (murdered).

Why was he put on the ground (treated in that manner) when you should have easily placed him in the police car.



I think it was observed before the video started that Floyd went down on his own, whether deliberately or due to a condition, I don't know.

Kind of interesting that a year prior to this event, Floyd and Chauvin worked together at a night club as bouncers.

The eggshell defense wouldn't work for me as a juror, because it was time for the cop to realize he was dealing with an eggshell when Floyd said, "I can't breathe". When a stream started coming from his body was the last warning sign to realize that.

You misunderstood. As victimizer, if you break an eggshell victim, even if you don't know they are, it is not a defense they were weak, had a condition, or some other argument that a normal person would have been able to handle the abuse better. In other words, Floyd's "contributing" heath issues if any, don't mean anything in defense of the officers actions. He was murdered same as if he was 100% healthy.

^^^^

Everyone gets his/her day in court but l don't think a reasonable person can argue that this wasn't a murder.

All I know is I really hope people wear mask and goggles when they protest. God knows Covid is still hiding so if people are gonna go out at least be safe. Maybe even bring some umbrella's to deflect some tear gas. Also BLM needs to bring these protest to Edmond, Moore, Norman, Yukon and Mustang. Be peaceful but it would get it to bring to the burbs.

Oh look another reporter getting shot at(rubber bullets) by the police

https://twitter.com/chrisbishopl1c4/status/1266546753182056453?s=21

That was bad and needless. I was just annoyed by protestors interfering with reporters, while on the scene of the protests last night in downtown OKC. One, possibly drunk, even swiped a reporter's mike.

Please observe where these issues occur. In the place where one political party has been in power over 40 years always talking about doing stuff but never taking action. The political party needs a permanent underclass to vote for them. Who is oppressing who... the political party that has ruled these cities for a long time.

Well there goes that theory.

There are still things being done by the police that shouldn't be happening. I don't understand those who are targeting the press in situations where they can clearly be identified as press and not rioters. Denver TV press has been hit more than once by gas balls and tear gas but they are in the middle of the action or were, on one occasion, broadcasting in the dark so they couldn't be identified.

Otherwise, I fully understand these police are being verbally abused, being gassed back, having fireworks, urine, food thrown at them, baited in multiple ways to get video of reactions and standing in full riot gear for hours. They are human and simply have points where they may lash out. All the training in the world won't stop occasional actions.

The "rioters" aren't going to Tweet the good work the police are doing but will only post the negative, will edit to make the police appear at their worst and support the rioter mentality.

Interesting we can excuse these officers for being human and lashing out after a few hours of supposed verbal abuse, getting gassed "back" (meaning, of course, they started the gassing), etc. and yet when an entire race of people is oppressed for centuries they should... just live it with it?

Interesting we can excuse these officers for being human and lashing out after a few hours of supposed verbal abuse, getting gassed "back" (meaning, of course, they started the gassing), etc. and yet when an entire race of people is oppressed for centuries they should... just live it with it?

With many exceptions, the police have been a disgrace. Even in OKC, the police were very heavy handed in their approach when Saturday's protest was still happening at 23rd and Classen.

"Clearing the intersection for traffic" is not a valid reason to 1) Fire tear gas into a crowd, and 2) drive a police SUV straight into people in the intersection. I observed these actions live on KOCO. I'm sure there were many more.

It became immediately clear we have a new police chief from jump. Bill Citty would have had a different approach, in my opinion. I don't personally know Chief Gourley and he seems like a nice guy but I have read too many accounts from credible sources that things were really ratcheted up Saturday night at the outset by the police.

I was disturbed by the rioting as well. It was obvious that so many of the people doing the riotous actions were not affiliated with any legitimate protest movement. Many were white. I can only speculate if they were left-wing agitators, right-wing provocateurs, or simply people who are angry and took advantage of the opportunity to create mayhem. Indeed, the events that occurred Saturday night were not organized by Black Lives Matter or any other recognized group, which poses many questions.

OTOH, I was more supportive of OKCPD's actions on Sunday night. While I didn't care for the grotesque look of military checkpoints in our city, I would agree they showed restraint and didn't make matters worse, as I believe they did on Saturday. I feel similarly about the Oklahoma County Sheriffs, although I thought the tanks were not a good look.

If you live a financially comfortable, relaxing life with low stress, I would hope by now it is obvious to you that the status quo in our society is not equitable and must change. I found Sunday's Black Lives Matter demonstration and march to be an uplifting moment. And, since the chaotic events of last weekend, the real peaceful protest movement is now front and center, not the scattered hooligans and criminals who took advantage of the chaos.

This is a historic moment in the history of this country and in our own city. I was proud to watch Tuesday's city council meeting. Despite so many bad things happening, I see reason to be optimistic about our future because I believe we are on the cusp of major social change.