That would be a more rational retort if we didn't already spend quite a bit of time and money as a society minimizing unnecessary deaths. Could we be doing more? Clearly. Are we already doing a lot? Absolutely.

we don't wear masks during flu season and that would absolutely save lives

the point is we make a choice about life/death of the populace on an everyday basis

we don't wear masks during flu season and that would absolutely save lives

the point is we make a choice about life/death of the populace on an everyday basis

This is some serious Denialist BS. I’m not even that smart of a guy, but even I can tell when a chart reflects a Tragedy.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

we don't wear masks during flu season and that would absolutely save lives

the point is we make a choice about life/death of the populace on an everyday basis

That first statement isn't necessarily true, or at least to the degree at which you're implying. It's a disingenuous statement at best, and I'm not eager to acknowledge it, but I will.

The seasonal flu is a very different situation than Covid currently is. It's been around for a while and we have multiple vaccinations, even if they're not always spot on each year, and a lot of folks have a relative immunity to it. The vulnerable have zero defense to Covid, and the only significant act we can do to prevent its spread is to wear masks. With the flu, we have other options (the vaccine). When we have a flu outbreak that can't be addressed by vaccines, then we fall back onto more traditional methods to prevent the spread, such as masks and increased social distancing. And this isn't new. We have lots of history and information to look back on for the effectiveness of masks in reducing the transmission of diseases.

But, if masks could reduce our annual flu deaths from the 12k-50k or so annual deaths to close to nothing, then yeah, let's wear them during the flu season, when there's a bad flair up. Why wouldn't someone? It's just that we have other options to try to address the flu. We don't yet have those options with Covid. So when the majority of the entire medical community, all the global organizations, and health expert after health expert are arguing for masks for the flu, absolutely I sure will follow their advice. But they aren't. They are saying so about Covid. Something that in a matter of months has a death toll higher than multiple years of flu outbreaks combined. And it's not showing signs of stopping.

This is some serious Denialist BS. I’m not even that smart of a guy, but even I can tell when a chart reflects a Tragedy.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm

per your source Oklahoma is under the average yearly death total for 2020

Nice thread hijack.

per your source Oklahoma is under the average yearly death total for 2020

and New york/ New york city / and new jersey

are the huge majority of the "extra deaths"

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/college-athletes-threaten-to-skip-season-over-coronavirus-racial-justice-demands_n_5f271f24c5b656e9b09d1ebb

The biggest difference between Covid and the Flu is day symptoms start to show. With the Flu it's usually 2 days so you stay home or if you go to work you tell others I'm not feeling well. Covid can take 5-7 days before you start to show symptoms. At that point in time you have infected many which is not always the cause with the flu cause the flu isn't nearly as contagious as Covid

Heart damage found in coronavirus patients months after recovering from COVID-19, study says (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/07/30/covid-19-patients-suffer-heart-injury-months-after-recovery-study/5536249002/)

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/college-athletes-threaten-to-skip-season-over-coronavirus-racial-justice-demands_n_5f271f24c5b656e9b09d1ebb

i admittedly don’t see much of an OKC connection here. Was a Pac-12 School scheduled to play OU?

Will be interesting if only the SEC, Big 12 and Clemson go forward with their seasons. Granted, those are the only schools that make The Playoff with any regularity as it is.

i admittedly don’t see much of an OKC connection here. Was a Pac-12 School scheduled to play OU?

Will be interesting if only the SEC, Big 12 and Clemson go forward with their seasons. Granted, those are the only schools that make The Playoff with any regularity as it is.

There's not an OKC connection, sports were being talked about in this thread, so I posted something about sports. I don't care one way or another about any sports at all, anywhere, just posting a data point I read, might've fit better in the Economic Impact thread. Pete, please move it to that one if you feel it's more appropriate over there.

Heart damage found in coronavirus patients months after recovering from COVID-19, study says (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/07/30/covid-19-patients-suffer-heart-injury-months-after-recovery-study/5536249002/)

While this does sound scary, it's hard to draw a true comparison to other viruses and establish a "what does this really mean" answer. For instance, there are many other virus that can attack the heart. Flu for example can cause heart damage. However, MRI of the heart are rarely done after people recover from the other viruses. For all we know, heart inflammation can be found in those patients too. Also, heart inflammation sounds scary, but in many cases, it's only minor and subsides over time. Occasionally, it can become severe enough to cause scary complications. In all likelihood, this headline sounds scary than it really is.

There's not an OKC connection, sports were being talked about in this thread, so I posted something about sports. I don't care one way or another about any sports at all, anywhere, just posting a data point I read, might've fit better in the Economic Impact thread. Pete, please move it to that one if you feel it's more appropriate over there.

Oh, okay. I wasn’t aware that Huffington Post wrote Sports articles.

Interesting to hear that they do.

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Yes!!! ... Good stuff!

Hospitalizations have dropped sharply to 504, their lowest level since July 10, but Commissioner Frye is apparently asking all the reporting hospitals to double check their submissions.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eeh45S0U8AAkDj1?format=png&name=medium

https://twitter.com/KOCODillon/status/1290414357789188100
https://twitter.com/KOCODillon/status/1290422639589236738

And here is why trying to follow our stats is overwhelmingly difficult. Even averages and trends when almost 19,000 pending tests just disappear.

8/3/2020
504 persons hospitalized (-124 from Friday)
232 in ICU (-26 from Friday)

537 persons seen in hospital in previous 24 hours sent into self-quarantine

223 of 922 ICU beds available statewide (24%)
95% of hospitals reported (+4% from Friday)

2,835 tests pending, 5,770 results reported
(22,607 were listed Friday, 19,147 of those at Clinical Pathology Laboratories. CPL only shows 65 results reported and 2,131 pending... something is up here)

So... hospital #'s came out. Friday, it was reported that 628 patients were in hospital.

Today...504.

Hospital trends, thus far, have never been subject to such dramatic swings. The % of hospitals responding to the survey is way higher than usual (95%) on today's report.

So... possible conclusions, near as I can tell:

1. An unprecedented # of patients experienced a miraculous recovery and were sent home over the last 72 hours.
2. An unprecedented # of patients died over the last 72 hours.
3. The data is bad.

very serious questions 1.8 mil people have died in the united states this year. are we taking all of those deaths seriously and reporting on them as such??

Unless you are the first one to report them, then yes, those deaths have been reported as such... that is, as deaths.


we don't wear masks during flu season and that would absolutely save lives

That's a good suggestion. Masks save lives, and maybe we should wear them to save lives. Unless, of course, you don't want to be inconvenienced in the effort to save lives.

And, actually, well, some people have been and do wear masks around immunocompromised people for, I don't know, I'm probably shorting this a bit, but for like for 120 years.

The bulk of them work in hospitals, but if you've ever had a family member that is in chemo therapy or just hanging on, you wear a mask around them, right? Especially, if the doctors caring for him/her asked you to. You'd do that, right?


the point is we make a choice about life/death of the populace on an everyday basis

Is this a "selfawarewolf" moment?

Yes, WE do DO that. That's exactly the point.

You're really good at counting the dead. I just can't believe that you think there aren't people risking their safety and committing their lives to commuting that death. They have committed their lives to lowering your benchmark of deaths.

You have decided that the best course of action is to marginalize those deaths. You won't care until it reaches a level you do care about. And, honestly, that statistical level is 1. It just has to affect you.

COVID is going to be the #3 cause of death in the US this year. That sucks. The thing is, though, since it is a CONTAGIOUS disease, it could be stopped by a change in community behavior. It is up to individuals to end it. It's actually a choice. The medical hardship, the economic hardship that is going to happen is the result of a collective choice. The defining moment of our nation, that is.

So, are we gonna do somemthing about it, or just follow your lead, which is basically, we're all gonna die anyway.

That's some lazy ass ****, boulder sooner.

With all these pending test shouldn't we have an "non test day" to let thing get caught up. At this point if I get tested on the 5th i won't get results to the 10th. If we had a where we didn't test and I had to wait until the 6th maybe I could still get my results back on the 10th anyway? Just a thought. Other than those really sick of course

With all these pending test shouldn't we have an "non test day" to let thing get caught up. At this point if I get tested on the 5th i won't get results to the 10th. If we had a where we didn't test and I had to wait until the 6th maybe I could still get my results back on the 10th anyway? Just a thought. Other than those really sick of course
You sitting a day waiting to take the test or your sample sitting in a lab for a day is essentially the same thing. And presumably there would be the same number of samples per week. Just collected in 6 days instead of 7. The labs still wouldn’t keep up.

861 new cases today.

15 more deaths reported, the highest since April.

So... hospital #'s came out. Friday, it was reported that 628 patients were in hospital.

Today...504.

Hospital trends, thus far, have never been subject to such dramatic swings. The % of hospitals responding to the survey is way higher than usual (95%) on today's report.

So... possible conclusions, near as I can tell:

1. An unprecedented # of patients experienced a miraculous recovery and were sent home over the last 72 hours.
2. An unprecedented # of patients died over the last 72 hours.
3. The data is bad.

A swing from 628 from to 504 over a two day period doesn't really sound that crazy. Discharges usually happen a lot quicker on a Monday.

I'm very interested to see what the hospital numbers show when they are released later this afternoon.

861 new cases today.

15 more deaths reported, the highest since April.

Is this the lowest Tuesday number in over a month? Let's hope the under 1,000 keeps up and then under 500.

Is this the lowest Tuesday number in over a month? Let's hope the under 1,000 keeps up and then under 500.

Yeah, barely. Too many large swings in reporting to really look at daily numbers. Have to use rolling averages and overall trend. The 7 day average still looking promising in maintaining a downward trend.

How many weeks has it been since most of the metro put a mask ordinance into place? This could be misplaced optimism, but maybe we're seeing the effect already?

Is this the lowest Tuesday number in over a month?

No.

Just two weeks ago on 7/21 there were fewer at 821.

Lower numbers than I was expecting. But who knows tomorrow.

How many weeks has it been since most of the metro put a mask ordinance into place? This could be misplaced optimism, but maybe we're seeing the effect already?

Whatever the reason for the decrease, just glad were following the path of other Southern states that are seeing a decline.

EOR has hospitalizations back up to 645. Yesterday was not the right number. And I was so hopeful.

EOR has hospitalizations back up to 645. Yesterday was not the right number.
...

A swing from 628 from to 504 over a two day period doesn't really sound that crazy. Discharges usually happen a lot quicker on a Monday.

Reminder of why I said this:


So... hospital #'s came out. Friday, it was reported that 628 patients were in hospital.
....
3. The data is bad.

That hospitalization number is an all-time high.

We had 15 additional deaths reported today.

We still have a huge backlog of tests to process.

Nationally, 1,300 deaths were reported today and the total is now over 160,000.


There is absolutely no sign that things are leveling off, let alone getting better.

I know this is small time compared to the OSDH reporting but. I manage federal government contracts. A LOT of my job is gathering and reporting data to show the government contract officers that we’re performing the contract within the required parameters. The OSDH should have a simple set of data points that each lab/hospital/office must report to them by some time each day. Just like I require of my employees. I just don’t get why the labs/hospitals/offices that the OSDH has to get reports from seems to be like herding cats. And they’ve been doing this for 5 months now. It should have been perfected a long time ago.

I know this is small time compared to the OSDH reporting but. I manage federal government contracts. A LOT of my job is gathering and reporting data to show the government contract officers that we’re performing the contract within the required parameters. The OSDH should have a simple set of data points that each lab/hospital/office must report to them by some time each day. Just like I require of my employees. I just don’t get why the labs/hospitals/offices that the OSDH has to get reports from seems to be like herding cats. And they’ve been doing this for 5 months now. It should have been perfected a long time ago.

I blame it on fax machines and computers running Windows XP.

That hospitalization number is an all-time high.

We had 15 additional deaths reported today.

We still have a huge backlog of tests to process.

Nationally, 1,300 deaths were reported today and the total is now over 160,000.


There is absolutely no sign that things are leveling off, let alone getting better.

Imagine what we will be looking at 15-20 days after schools reopen.

1101 new cases.

17 new deaths (second highest one-day total ever). 6 of them in Oklahoma County.

On a 7-day rolling average, we are averaging almost 9 reported deaths per day.

That has doubled in just 2 weeks.

# of new cases is clearly starting to level off. Deaths lag so it's not a surprise they're rising but % wise they remain lower than this spring.

We had 32 deaths reported in two days. We had 55 for the entire month of June. The high cases are catching up.

Imagine what we will be looking at 15-20 days after schools reopen.

College students should get tested soon, if they think they have been exposed to covid. Stillwater schools wonder if schools will have to go back online if return of college students raise number of cases in Payne County.
https://www.stwnewspress.com/covid-19/school-board-makes-distance-learning-subject-to-community-spread/article_81e2ce70-d6ad-11ea-a49c-273eb0e5973a.html (https://www.stwnewspress.com/covid-19/school-board-makes-distance-learning-subject-to-community-spread/article_81e2ce70-d6ad-11ea-a49c-273eb0e5973a.html)

Usual updates - Rolling 7 Day Deaths have reached a new all time high:

From June 1 - Now:

https://i.imgur.com/3gsVyzx.png

From April 1 - Now:

https://i.imgur.com/3uH126a.png

Looking at the 7/14/21 Day Average of new cases only, there are some signs of new daily growth stopping - although the 21-day average is at a level that would have been unprecedented before July 14th:

https://i.imgur.com/i1Rgibr.png

I made a new plot to compare hospitalizations to the rolling 14-day average of deaths. As you can see - some of the plateau in hospitalization rates is due to 109 people that have been reported dead in the last 14 days:

https://i.imgur.com/czdgHkf.png

***EDIT - Corrected the Rolling 14 Day & Hospital Plot. I made an error in my Rolling 14 day calculation the value labels and axis have been corrected. Plot that was visible between 1:30 PM and 3:10 PM on 8-5 had incorrect value labels for 14 day average deaths.

We had 32 deaths reported in two days.
Why stop at 2 days? extend to 4 days.



we had 34 deaths in the last 4 days according to posts on this thread

Why stop at 2 days? extend to 4 days.



we had 34 deaths in the last 4 days according to posts on this thread

And in the last 7 days, we've had 87 deaths. Compare that to the flu with 85 deaths going back to September 2019.

Why stop at 2 days? extend to 4 days.



we had 34 deaths in the last 4 days according to posts on this thread

Is that supposed to make it look better?

And in the last 7 days, we've had 87 deaths. Compare that to the flu with 85 deaths going back to September 2019.

Or the 55 deaths in the entire month of June. But plateau and winning and something I guess.

# of new cases is clearly starting to level off. Deaths lag so it's not a surprise they're rising but % wise they remain lower than this spring.

While there is some signs that new cases leveling off, and some knowledge for better treatments is now being practiced, now that we have more data you can tell that our testing in spring was outrageously below where it needed to be. Not a surprise given how quickly things developed. IMHO - this should in no way be interpreted to mean the virus is less deadly now. (I realize you aren't explicitly making that claim.)

We've never known the TRUE number of cases - and we never will. As such, the actual fatality rate is MUCH lower than the case fatality rate. Now that testing infrastructure is in place - even if woefully inadequate as it is today, the % of deaths from known cases is expected to lower as it will gravitate towards the actual fatality rate.

Is that supposed to make it look better?

the poster posted a statement of fact.

I posted a statement of fact.

nm

With only 5 days of data to report for August - the month is so far shaping up to be the most deadly and have the most new cases.

Of course this will change as we get further in to the month, so take the September 1 projections with a grain of salt:

https://i.imgur.com/oxSqGTU.png

Ahhh, just a single death. Maybe two.

https://kfor.com/health/coronavirus/covid-19-claims-the-life-of-a-young-mother-and-her-unborn-child/

Thankfully, her loved ones can rest easy knowing that the % of cases that end up dead is lower than it was in April!

Ahhh, just a single death. Maybe two.

https://kfor.com/health/coronavirus/covid-19-claims-the-life-of-a-young-mother-and-her-unborn-child/

Thankfully, her loved ones can rest easy knowing that the % of cases that end up dead is lower than it was in April!

Yes. We should make massive decisions that impact every single aspect of society based one or two cases.

All loss of life is sad.

But this isn’t that, you have to make decisions on what is the best path for the most amount of people. And you can’t just factor in, what stops covid (nothing really), you have to weigh mental health, unemployment, etc etc.

With only 5 days of data to report for August - the month is so far shaping up to be the most deadly and have the most new cases.

Of course this will change as we get further in to the month, so take the September 1 projections with a grain of salt:

https://i.imgur.com/oxSqGTU.png

This assumes there’s no leveling off and there already is. Other hot spot states like Florida and Texas have leveled off as well.

Hospitalizations not going up which considering we have been reporting over 1,000 cases for a month now i guess is a good sign. I know they lag but I would think we would of seen more of an increase

Have there been updates on the backlog? I hope the leveling of is including processing some of that.

Just an observation... I go by the OUHSC every day, where on Monday free, unrestricted PCR testing by appointment was instituted. Just call 271-7774, make the appointment, stay in your car, and, I am told, the labs are all done in house at OU Med, and are at most 48hrs turnaround. Over the last three days I have seen a grand total of ONE car in line for testing. I don't know if this has any real bearing or meaning relating to this conversation, but I just found it odd that if you can get basically "right now" testing and comparatively fast turnaround on the result, there would be more people taking advantage of this. You don't need money, you don't need any condition. Feel like a test, just call the number. Sounds pretty good to me!

I read that Dr. Brix is coming to Oklahoma to advise about slowing down our current spike. Being sent by the White House Task force to several states. It is all just wild that a letter from congress is "political" but the white house is deeming us a state that needs extra help to stop the spikes.

I hope she gives some good advice that the governor will take and implement.

I read that Dr. Brix is coming to Oklahoma to advise about slowing down our current spike. Being sent by the White House Task force to several states. It is all just wild that a letter from congress is "political" but the white house is deeming us a state that needs extra help to stop the spikes.

I hope she gives some good advice that the governor will take and implement.
I anticipate that same response Dr. Brix was given by the Tennessee Governor.

I read that Dr. Brix is coming to Oklahoma to advise about slowing down our current spike. Being sent by the White House Task force to several states. It is all just wild that a letter from congress is "political" but the white house is deeming us a state that needs extra help to stop the spikes.

I hope she gives some good advice that the governor will take and implement.

Ha, after Gov. Stitt came down with only a mild, brief case of it, why should I expect him to take covid any more seriously? Maybe Oklahomans who had severe cases, especially well known ones, requiring hospitalization need to come out.

Just an observation... I go by the OUHSC every day, where on Monday free, unrestricted PCR testing by appointment was instituted. Just call 271-7774, make the appointment, stay in your car, and, I am told, the labs are all done in house at OU Med, and are at most 48hrs turnaround. Over the last three days I have seen a grand total of ONE car in line for testing. I don't know if this has any real bearing or meaning relating to this conversation, but I just found it odd that if you can get basically "right now" testing and comparatively fast turnaround on the result, there would be more people taking advantage of this. You don't need money, you don't need any condition. Feel like a test, just call the number. Sounds pretty good to me!

I did that exact test and got my results back in 24 hrs.

Fortunately, no mention of OKC or Oklahoma here:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/05/health/birx-warning-cities-coronavirus/index.html