Herman Cain has now died from the COVID he almost certainly acquired at the President's rally in Tulsa.

Sad and yet completely unsurprising too.

I'm embarrassed to say these are my fellow citizens.

I would be afraid to trust they would wear a mask when out after they got tested positive.

Fauci suggested Wednesday that Americans should consider wearing goggles or a face shield in order to prevent spreading or catching COVID-19. I would sure want to wear goggles on a crowded plane, along with a mask.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/dr-fauci-wear-goggles-eye-shields-prevent-spread/story?id=72059055

Cain initially positive on 6/29, much earlier than Stitt.

1,117 new cases today.

The 7-day rolling average is now pushing 1,000/day at 991.

Previous high for a Thursday was last week: 737.


13 additional deaths.

84 reported deaths in just the last 10 days.

Previous 10-day high was way back in April at 80.

1,117 new cases today.

The 7-day rolling average is now pushing 1,000/day at 991.

Previous high for a Thursday was last week: 737.


13 additional deaths.

84 reported deaths in just the last 10 days.

13 more deaths is not good at all. Is 84 close to being a record in 10 days? We are averaging 1,000 cases a day, hospitals are at an all time high and deaths are going up. Are we just going to say oh we need to learn to live with it or are we going to take action to get it under control?

13 more deaths is not good at all. Is 84 close to being a record in 10 days? We are averaging 1,000 cases a day, hospitals are at an all time high and deaths are going up. Are we just going to say oh we need to learn to live with it or are we going to take action to get it under control?

The 7-day death average (keeping in mind that most of the time deaths are reported >24 hours after they occur) reached a new all-time high with today's report.

13 more deaths is not good at all. Is 84 close to being a record in 10 days? We are averaging 1,000 cases a day, hospitals are at an all time high and deaths are going up. Are we just going to say oh we need to learn to live with it or are we going to take action to get it under control?

Stitt isn't going to do anything. He's on the Trump Train. OPEN THE SCHOOLS!

Also interesting (and quite troublesome) to note that most of the recent deaths had symptom onset in the first week of July, when cases were at about 1/3 of what they are now.

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Hospitalizations and deaths are lagging indicators.

We are just starting to see the manifestation of the last several weeks of record numbers of new cases.

And it does not bode well for what we are going to see in the next 2-3 weeks and beyond.

13 more deaths is not good at all. Is 84 close to being a record in 10 days? We are averaging 1,000 cases a day, hospitals are at an all time high and deaths are going up. Are we just going to say oh we need to learn to live with it or are we going to take action to get it under control?
Well, considering this will likely be like the flu going forward (no proof, but with it being a virus, there is no way to be fully immune to it, so similar to the flu, it will always be around) we need to figure out ways to treat it. The vaccine will not be fool-proof. And anyone who thinks so is delusional.

That being said, we do need to slow the spread now. But the governor doesn't care, and no amount of bashing him on here will change his mind. So people need to be mature and wear their masks.

Well, considering this will likely be like the flu going forward (no proof, but with it being a virus, there is no way to be fully immune to it, so similar to the flu, it will always be around) we need to figure out ways to treat it. The vaccine will not be fool-proof. And anyone who thinks so is delusional.

That being said, we do need to slow the spread now. But the governor doesn't care, and no amount of bashing him on here will change his mind. So people need to be mature and wear their masks.

It will only be like the flu when there is a vaccine. There is no vaccine, yet (although I'm hopeful). But, it will never really be like the flu because it's not like the flu at all and never has been and it is ridiculous to say that. It has also proven to be completely immune to seasonality.

This is not a seasonal virus! It is just as bad in winter, spring, and summer (and soon to be, fall).

That being said, we do need to slow the spread now. But the governor doesn't care, and no amount of bashing him on here will change his mind. So people need to be mature and wear their masks.

Politicians all over the country -- including the main one in D.C. -- have been pressured into taking this more seriously and even enacting laws and ordinances.

It's beyond ridiculous to suggest that people shouldn't be leaning on these decision-makers and leaders. In fact, it's downright dangerous.

Hey, but Edmond has a mask ordinance..........wait for it........that goes into effect in a month! Way to go Edmond!

And only for 2 weeks with no penalties for non compliance. I am still seeing people going around with masks pulled down and only covering their mouth or wearing them very loosely in stores that require them.

Fauci suggested Wednesday that Americans should consider wearing goggles or a face shield in order to prevent spreading or catching COVID-19. I would sure want to wear goggles on a crowded plane, along with a mask.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/dr-fauci-wear-goggles-eye-shields-prevent-spread/story?id=72059055

i saw Fauci threw a weak opening pitch at a baseball game and followed up his performance by not wearing a mask in the stands.

i wish he would show some leadership on this issue.

“The flu” doesn’t stick around and return every year because it’s a virus.

The flu sticks around because it is actually a highly variable and always mutating family of many different viruses, with us always having to make predictions for which strains will be prevalent each year to begin producing the vaccines needed.

Coronaviruses are fairly stable overall, so we hope that we can control the spread once we have a vaccine. Long term immunity provided by such a vaccine will still need to be determined, and I wouldn’t be surprised if we end up with needing either frequent universal boosters or just targeted revaccination campaigns to target local outbreaks in the future.

And only for 2 weeks with no penalties for non compliance. I am still seeing people going around with masks pulled down and only covering their mouth or wearing them very loosely in stores that require them.

Yeah, I'm really going to hate going to Lowe's (unavoidable, been putting it off, but need certain things from them now-ish), because I'm guessing mask conformance there will not be great, so will have to talk to a manager and have them talk to the offenders, then probably end up calling 911 because they won't put on a mask (properly) or leave. :(

“His pitch sucks so his science must suck” is not a surprising argument anymore.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fauci-without-mask-baseball-game/

Shockingly I also don’t wear my mask around my family and our quarantine circle.

i saw Fauci threw a weak opening pitch at a baseball game and followed up his performance by not wearing a mask in the stands.

i wish he would show some leadership on this issue.

Oh pft, he pulled it down to take a drink. He was isolated and the only people near him were those in his circle (one of whom is his wife) and he's tested daily. So outside, socially isolated, and pulling down the mask to take a drink. That's sufficient leadership to me and people putting their finger to the side of their mouth going "oooohhh... look at Fauci" are just the antimaskers trying to score points.

It's like when people post bad articles or memes with the "I don't know but how interesting if true" crap. They think they're being clever but it's transparent and they're just operating with an agenda.

“His pitch sucks so his science must suck” is not a surprising argument anymore.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fauci-without-mask-baseball-game/

Shockingly I also don’t wear my mask around my family and our quarantine circle.

He understates the reaction, he says it's "mischievous". It's way more than that, it's designed to completely discredit him and science and to sow distrust in the entire scientific field of which he's a part. That's not "mischievous", it's verging on evil, considering the consequences of not wearing a mask.

https://www.docwirenews.com/abstracts/high-prevalence-of-sars-cov-2-and-influenza-a-virus-h1n1-co-infection-in-dead-patients-in-northeastern-iran-3/amp/

Flu season is a really important deadline for trying to slow this thing down. Especially if schools are open.

U.S. Economy Shrank At Record-Breaking 33% Rate Last Quarter (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/us-economy-record-quarterly-drop_n_5f22beb8c5b68fbfc87fa8cc)

"The Commerce Department’s estimate of the second-quarter decline in the gross domestic product, the total output of goods and services, marked the sharpest such drop on records dating to 1947. The previous worst quarterly contraction, a 10% drop, occurred in 1958 during the Eisenhower administration."

Politicians all over the country -- including the main one in D.C. -- have been pressured into taking this more seriously and even enacting laws and ordinances.

It's beyond ridiculous to suggest that people shouldn't be leaning on these decision-makers and leaders. In fact, it's downright dangerous.

Well, people have leaned on him for a month now, and gotten nowhere. He even got the dang thing, and it didn't change his tone, at all. What is the definition of insanity again?

Well, people have leaned on him for a month now, and gotten nowhere.

So, just stop and let people needlessly die?

Citizens have a responsibility that doesn't end with voting.


And people were saying the exact same thing about Trump and others before public pressure forced change.

i saw Fauci threw a weak opening pitch at a baseball game and followed up his performance by not wearing a mask in the stands.

i wish he would show some leadership on this issue.

Your remark is less than genuine, it appears Dr. Fauci had just taken a drink while sitting next to his wife and a close friend, yet distanced from any one else.


https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fauci-without-mask-baseball-game/


STAY SAFE WEAR MASKS

So, just stop and let people needlessly die?

Citizens have a responsibility that doesn't end with voting.


And people were saying the exact same thing about Trump and others before public pressure forced change.

Not saying to stop. But putting our hopes in our state's upper management, and yelling on here is not going to make a difference. If the virus itself didn't change his mind, I don't think anything will. He is that stubborn. We need to keep at it, but also need to figure out more alternative measures, as well.

I am not bashing you, just saying that expecting anything to change Stitt's mind is, to quote Gandalf in LOTR, "a fool's hope".

Really when you think about this it's not that difficult to understand. Just stay the hell away from people as much as you can. I know at some places it might not be that easy but do you really have to go to the bar for a drink? Do you really need to go out to eat? Do you really need to go to the casino? Church? Haircut? The Mall? If we could just for 2-3 weeks stay the hell away from one another we might get the numbers back down.

really when you think about this it's not that difficult to understand. Just stay the hell away from people as much as you can. I know at some places it might not be that easy but do you really have to go to the bar for a drink? Do you really need to go out to eat? Do you really need to go to the casino? Church? Haircut? The mall? If we could just for 2-3 weeks stay the hell away from one another we might get the numbers back down.
bingo!

Not saying to stop. But putting our hopes in our state's upper management, and yelling on here is not going to make a difference. If the virus itself didn't change his mind, I don't think anything will. He is that stubborn. We need to keep at it, but also need to figure out more alternative measures, as well.

I am not bashing you, just saying that expecting anything to change Stitt's mind is, to quote Gandalf in LOTR, "a fool's hope".

1. This is a discussion forum, which is read by many people. Pete can attest to how many eyeballs pay attention to this. Regardless, there's nothing wrong with the discussion. It's the point.

2. It's highly possible to question leadership here -- and in real life. Speaking for myself, I do both.

3. Some people take a very long time to open their eyes to a given situation. Elected officials are under pressure from the public. Posts made critiquing the governor here may not be ready by him but they may be read by people who influence him directly. Also, posts here can be effective in swaying public opinion. I would be shocked if everyone on this board feels the same way today about Governor Stitt as they did on March 1st.

Really when you think about this it's not that difficult to understand. Just stay the hell away from people as much as you can. I know at some places it might not be that easy but do you really have to go to the bar for a drink? Do you really need to go out to eat? Do you really need to go to the casino? Church? Haircut? The Mall? If we could just for 2-3 weeks stay the hell away from one another we might get the numbers back down.

And I would like to add this is only a 2-3 week thing. It's not like for the next 2 months. Let's see what happens over say 19 days. Start on a Monday have two full weekends end there and end of a Friday and see what happens.

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I am not bashing you, just saying that expecting anything to change Stitt's mind is, to quote Gandalf in LOTR, "a fool's hope".

Pretty much this. Has Stittiot ever said he was wrong, mistaken, oops, or expressed anything that would indicate he messed up WRT the gaming compacts, masks, OK's current COVID-19 situation, Gateway's misdeeds, or really *anything*? Seems to me he just puts out some BS press release that doesn't state he was at fault at all, even just the teeniest bit, for anything he's done that's collapsed on him. Malignant Narcissist, Jr. IMO...

I would compare him to Fonzie saying "wroorrrorrorrrr", but he's not fit to even look at Fonzie's jacket, much less be compared to him.

I don't know how Kevin Stitt can go out there, look at a camera, and claim we haven't seen any spike in cases and are on a "plateau".

Is his team showing him fudged data? I refuse to believe someone would be that depraved to lie like this. I feel like I'm losing my mind.

He's also "not familiar" with the State Dept. of Education/Health's guidance regarding school closures with their color-coded system.

I don't know how Kevin Stitt can go out there, look at a camera, and claim we haven't seen any spike in cases and are on a "plateau".

Is his team showing him fudged data? I refuse to believe someone would be that depraved to lie like this. I feel like I'm losing my mind.

He's also "not familiar" with the State Dept. of Education/Health's guidance regarding school closures with their color-coded system.

Umm ya... That was odd saying we have plateaued for the last three weeks. Cases and deaths have all gone up in pretty much every way you read the data? He said the plateau was 700 to 1100 cases. That is not a small margin lol

Umm ya... That was odd saying we have plateaued for the last three weeks. Cases and deaths have all gone up in pretty much every way you read the data? He said the plateau was 700 to 1100 cases. That is not a small margin lol

Even if you want to quibble on that plateau point (which I still believe to be completely disingenuous) how could ANYONE say we haven't seen a spike in cases since re-opening? I'm just at a loss for words.

I get that he wants to reopen schools. But the steps to do so safely was to make sure the community didn't have many cases. He completely failed at that and has made no effort to fix it, instead choosing to plow ahead and gaslight anyone with concerns.

Must we continue to respect stupidity? (https://www.alternet.org/2020/07/must-we-continue-to-respect-stupidity/)

“One may protest against evil; it can be exposed and, if need be, prevented by use of force. Evil always carries within itself the germ of its own subversion in that it leaves behind in human beings at least a sense of unease. Against stupidity we are defenseless.

“Neither protests nor the use of force accomplish anything here; reasons fall on deaf ears; facts that contradict one’s prejudgment simply need not be believed – in such moments the stupid person even becomes critical – and when facts are irrefutable they are just pushed aside as inconsequential, as incidental. In all this the stupid person, in contrast to the malicious one, is utterly self satisfied and, being easily irritated, becomes dangerous by going on the attack.

“For that reason, greater caution is called for when dealing with a stupid person than with a malicious one. Never again will we try to persuade the stupid person with reasons, for it is senseless and dangerous.”

Must we continue to respect stupidity? (https://www.alternet.org/2020/07/must-we-continue-to-respect-stupidity/)

“One may protest against evil; it can be exposed and, if need be, prevented by use of force. Evil always carries within itself the germ of its own subversion in that it leaves behind in human beings at least a sense of unease. Against stupidity we are defenseless.

“Neither protests nor the use of force accomplish anything here; reasons fall on deaf ears; facts that contradict one’s prejudgment simply need not be believed – in such moments the stupid person even becomes critical – and when facts are irrefutable they are just pushed aside as inconsequential, as incidental. In all this the stupid person, in contrast to the malicious one, is utterly self satisfied and, being easily irritated, becomes dangerous by going on the attack.

“For that reason, greater caution is called for when dealing with a stupid person than with a malicious one. Never again will we try to persuade the stupid person with reasons, for it is senseless and dangerous.”

Sharing far-left articles from obscure websites that very few (% wise) have ever heard of does not a superb argument make.

Sharing far-left articles from obscure websites that very few (% wise) have ever heard of does not a superb argument make.

Why, if it's correct? And what makes the article "far-left"?

Do you agree with the sentiment?

Oh, and the quote wasn't written by the author of the article, it was from a Lutheran minister that got hanged in WWII, not sure if you read the article...

This is from the article and why it's relevant in this thread - (Stupidity, moreover, is not in the eye of the beholder when the medical, scientific and good-government consensus is that wearing masks is good, not wearing masks is bad.)

Why, if it's correct? And what makes the article "far-left"?

Do you agree with the sentiment?

Oh, and the quote wasn't written by the author of the article, it was from a Lutheran minister that got hanged in WWII, not sure if you read the article...

This is from the article and why it's relevant in this thread - (Stupidity, moreover, is not in the eye of the beholder when the medical, scientific and good-government consensus is that wearing masks is good, not wearing masks is bad.)

Oh, I agree with it, to an extent. I will never treat people who disagree with me with hostility. I will tell them why they are wrong, but treating them angrily, it helps no one, since it usually tends to push them further away from the light. Just my opinion.

https://www.adfontesmedia.com/alternet-bias-and-reliability/

And I would like to add this is only a 2-3 week thing. It's not like for the next 2 months. Let's see what happens over say 19 days. Start on a Monday have two full weekends end there and end of a Friday and see what happens.What makes you think a couple weeks would do anything real? Here’s what would happen. We shut things down for two full weeks. In a three to four weeks the numbers would undoubtedly go down. We open back up. Within a month we’re right back where we are now. Absolutely no reason to expect otherwise. There is no quick solution to this. Any solution will be months long.

What makes you think a couple weeks would do anything real? Here’s what would happen. We shut things down for two full weeks. In a three to four weeks the numbers would undoubtedly go down. We open back up. Within a month we’re right back where we are now. Absolutely no reason to expect otherwise. There is no quick solution to this. Any solution will be months long.

There will always be Coronavirus's around, so immunity is almost impossible. The goal is to lower hospitalizations to a manageable level. Granted, hospitals usually should be operating near full, and for much of the year, haven't. But still, hospitalizations need to be the primary concern.

1. This is a discussion forum, which is read by many people. Pete can attest to how many eyeballs pay attention to this. Regardless, there's nothing wrong with the discussion. It's the point.

2. It's highly possible to question leadership here -- and in real life. Speaking for myself, I do both.

3. Some people take a very long time to open their eyes to a given situation. Elected officials are under pressure from the public. Posts made critiquing the governor here may not be ready by him but they may be read by people who influence him directly. Also, posts here can be effective in swaying public opinion. I would be shocked if everyone on this board feels the same way today about Governor Stitt as they did on March 1st.


I hold him in the same low regard now as I did when he ran for office. All one needs to do is look at the consumer complaints filed against his mortgage company to know he is a low life grifter...God I wish Cornett had won.

(1)https://www.newson6.com/story/5e348c34527dcf49dad7b4b7/truth-test:-kevin-stitts-business-record
(2)https://www.consumerfinance.gov/data-research/consumer-complaints/search/?chartType=line&dataNormalization=None&dateInterval=Month&dateRange=3y&date_received_max=2020-07-30&date_received_min=2017-07-30&from=0&lens=Overview&page=1&searchField=all&searchText=gateway%20mortgage%20&size=25&sort=created_date_desc&tab=Map&trendDepth=5


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There will always be Coronavirus's around, so immunity is almost impossible. The goal is to lower hospitalizations to a manageable level. Granted, hospitals usually should be operating near full, and for much of the year, haven't. But still, hospitalizations need to be the primary concern.
I couldn’t agree more about hospitalizations. But a two or three week shut down is going to lessen the load on hospitals for two to three weeks. Then the load won’t quickly get right back where it is now.

Hey, but Edmond has a mask ordinance..........wait for it........that goes into effect in a month! Way to go Edmond!

That is just unnecessarily insane! Contrast taht to Stillwater in which it was Thursday evening and teh council was discussing when the mask ordinance should go into effect. The mayor suggested it be Monday to give churches plenty of time to prepare for it. But the vice mayor said it should go into effect as soon as possible. So it was decided it would go into effect on Saturday.

That is just unnecessarily insane! Contrast taht to Stillwater in which it was Thursday evening and teh council was discussing when the mask ordinance should go into effect. The mayor suggested it be Monday to give churches plenty of time to prepare for it. But the vice mayor said it should go into effect as soon as possible. So it was decided it would go into effect on Saturday.I haven’t understood the delay of mandates at all. We’ve been in this thing to be used to it and be ready to adjust to any mandate immediately. And Edmond’s mandate I really don’t get. Are they living in the dreamworld that maybe by Aug 1 things will be better and they won’t have to actually have the mandate.

No just an unworkable compromise. Half the people want a mask ordinance and half do not. So lets make one but not have it go into effect for a month and not for that long. Also no teeth for enforcement. Now everyone is only a bit unhappy or they the council thinks. Basically totally ineffective except maybe to get them reelected to the council.

Really when you think about this it's not that difficult to understand. Just stay the hell away from people as much as you can. I know at some places it might not be that easy but do you really have to go to the bar for a drink? Do you really need to go out to eat? Do you really need to go to the casino? Church? Haircut? The Mall? If we could just for 2-3 weeks stay the hell away from one another we might get the numbers back down.

No haircuts no showers no shave lets just go all hippy til vaccine is out. People will social distance.

Updated high-res graphs.

7-day average of deaths is at an all time high.

June 1 - Current:
https://i.imgur.com/ZY1Y9rG.png

April 1 - Current:
https://i.imgur.com/YjZJ8Xh.png

I don't know how Kevin Stitt can go out there, look at a camera, and claim we haven't seen any spike in cases and are on a "plateau".

Is his team showing him fudged data? I refuse to believe someone would be that depraved to lie like this. I feel like I'm losing my mind.

He's also "not familiar" with the State Dept. of Education/Health's guidance regarding school closures with their color-coded system.

We're still living in the Twilight Zone with some Idiocracy, the movie, thrown in.

Even if you want to quibble on that plateau point (which I still believe to be completely disingenuous) how could ANYONE say we haven't seen a spike in cases since re-opening? I'm just at a loss for words.

I get that he wants to reopen schools. But the steps to do so safely was to make sure the community didn't have many cases. He completely failed at that and has made no effort to fix it, instead choosing to plow ahead and gaslight anyone with concerns.

I feel you...

Found this on Twitter in response to the idiot in the Governor's mansion idiotic statement:

https://twitter.com/dy_nasty7/status/1288976434808197120

https://i.imgur.com/Wj8DhGE.jpg?1

Dillon Richards
@KOCODillon
Only on 5: Oklahoma has not been including positive results from COVID antigen tests, or "rapid tests," in its number of "confirmed cases" -- unless the person also goes to get a positive PCR test.


https://mobile.twitter.com/KOCODillon/status/1288985923590520832

https://mobile.twitter.com/KOCODillon/status/1288985923590520832

Did the OSDH not say that they were including them? I thought I saw a link a few days ago that said that they are. Too much conflicting information out there. What a cluster...

Did the OSDH not say that they were including them? I thought I saw a link a few days ago that said that they are. Too much conflicting information out there. What a cluster...Oklahoma Source posted that they had started including rapid test results. Now Dillon Richards says they’re not. Both sources have been very reliable. Add this to the list of who the hell knows. And if you read all his posts in the link it gets really confusing. For this reason I’ve almost quit giving much thought to new case and percent positive rate. Hospitalizations and deaths mean something to me and there bad end to cause me all the worrying I need.

They have had the “only lab confirmed positives” since this mess started, that’s the answer I got when I talked to the health department back in April/May.

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I'm done with the constant political posts and targeting of other posters.

The next person that posts outside the political forum "stittiot" or any other political party reference is getting a 30-day ban.


I've been deleted tons of posts and I'm completely out of patience.

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I'm done with the constant political posts and targeting of other posters.

The next person that posts outside the political forum "stittiot" or any other political party reference is getting a 30-day ban.


I've been deleted tons of posts and I'm completely out of patience.

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THANK YOU. This went from an informative forum about COVID in OKC to the equivalent of an "olds" Facebook rant.

747 new cases today.

Rolling 7-day average is 1,053.


5 more people have died.

BTW, 747 new cases is a record for a Friday.

BTW, 747 new cases is a record for a Friday.

What about hospitalizations? I'm starting to wonder if that's the better metric right now. I know it lags cases, but the case numbers are so jacked up because of the backlog data. Could you report the total new hospitalizations and maybe the net change?

From https://twitter.com/pmonies:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EeRG4fOWoAIXD_3?format=png&name=medium


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EeRG8xnXkAE4mXf?format=png&name=medium


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EeRG6sAXsAALsXT?format=png&name=medium


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EeRG-n0XsAYZxhZ?format=png&name=medium