Weird, we still use leaches though.

I know that's what the ordinance says, but I've been wondering about this since the council meeting. I know the CDC site says "CDC does not recommend use of face shields for normal everyday activities or as a substitute for cloth face coverings." All medical professionals I've seen using face shields are using them in additional to masks, not as an alternative. Is there a benefit to folks just wearing face shields by themselves?

Posted before:


The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention continues to recommend wearing “cloth face coverings in public settings where other social distancing measures are difficult to maintain.” But some health experts say shields appear to be very effective at preventing infection — maybe even more effective than masks — for someone going about regular daily activities and not in a high-risk health care setting.

Amesh Adalja, M.D., a pandemic preparedness expert at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, says, “There's a lot of at least biological possibility to suspect that [shields] are definitely better than homemade face masks, and maybe even better than other types of masks as well, because they not only prevent you from spreading it … [and] because it also covers your eyes, it provides more protection to the mucus membranes of your face where you might be getting infected.”

and more

https://www.aarp.org/health/healthy-living/info-2020/shields-compared-to-masks.html

This is a good clip on face masks vs face shield: https://youtu.be/7F3R8_YHO8o

When they release the Updated Covid numbers, this board will light up like a Christmas tree. I'm saying 1200 infected and 3 deaths sadly.

When they release the Updated Covid numbers, this board will light up like a Christmas tree. I'm saying 1200 infected and 3 deaths sadly.

It's not just 'this board'. It's anywhere OKC news is shared and discussed.

Check out Twitter or Facebook.

I think we just need to do due diligence and add today’s number to the last two days’ and then divide by three. Not perfect but at least gives us a bit of a better idea as to the context of the numbers

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The Village just passed a mask ordinance.

TV news said it mirrors OKCs which is smart on their part.

Getting ready to go in to donate plasma again. I don’t do much in the way of civic duty usually so it feels good to try and do something for the benefit of others. especially when it seems that so many don’t give a rats.

The Village just passed a mask ordinance.

I saw Cathy Cummings' post about that last night. 5-0 vote. I didn't read the text of the ordinance.

I guess the maskholes will have to do their shopping in Edmond, Moore and Yukon.

Getting ready to go in to donate plasma again. I don’t do much in the way of civic duty usually so it feels good to try and do something for the benefit of others. especially when it seems that so many don’t give a rats.

Thank you sir

As a software guy by trade, I'm guessing the data issues plus the announcement that the county is doing it's own data tabulation boils down to an idealized "overall" system that isn't working well in practice at the individual level. This could be offices not transmitting the data in the right format, no validation of the data once submitted, inconsistencies in how or when the data is transferred... And any or all of these issues may have been present from day one. That unfortunately, suggests the data is only roughly reliable. We already know that Florida and Texas have discovered data integrity issues that may have affected their counts. I suspect there was hope at the county level the state would solve those problems, but tired of waiting and opted to just start a new process on their own. Question now is whether the state will continue its own process for all counties in addition to the county doing it's own counts. And if those data differ, whose is considered authoritative?

My fear is that the daily data is neither as robust nor verifiable as we'd like to hope. We know essentially nothing about the data reporting process.

The OK Health Dept. is already late today in their update.

As a software guy by trade, I'm guessing the data issues plus the announcement that the county is doing it's own data tabulation boils down to an idealized "overall" system that isn't working well in practice at the individual level. This could be offices not transmitting the data in the right format, no validation of the data once submitted, inconsistencies in how or when the data is transferred... And any or all of these issues may have been present from day one. That unfortunately, suggests the data is only roughly reliable. We already know that Florida and Texas have discovered data integrity issues that may have affected their counts. I suspect there was hope at the county level the state would solve those problems, but tired of waiting and opted to just start a new process on their own. Question now is whether the state will continue its own process for all counties in addition to the county doing it's own counts. And if those data differ, whose is considered authoritative?

My fear is that the daily data is neither as robust nor verifiable as we'd like to hope. We know essentially nothing about the data reporting process.

Mirroring this concern, wouldn't it be easier for Oklahoma County to issue a mask order? Or any other public health orders?

The OK Health Dept. is already late today in their update.

Meh, not disagreeing with you, but the daily updates have been as late as 11:30-11:45, so no report by 11:20 ish isn't entirely out of scope at this point.

I wonder at this point if the individual labs all report from a similar template, or system, or if they call in their data, or if they report it through a standard process, or ??? Inquiring minds want to know :)

The OK Health Dept. is already late today in their update.

Retooling the county data inputs, in addition to changing the CDC interface, strike me as changing the way air traffic control functions in the days immediately post 9/11. It may be necessary but I can't think of a worse time to implement new protocols.

Mirroring this concern, wouldn't it be easier for Oklahoma County to issue a mask order? Or any other public health orders?

I don't think the county level has the enforcement capability that a municipality (like an OKC or Edmond etc) has.

Apparently it is going to be a few hours before we gets numbers, and that the last three days of numbers will be lumped into one day rather than on their "correct" date. Kinda frustrating... https://twitter.com/KOCODillon/status/1285610330194837507

KOCO Dillon Richards on Twitter saying it will be delayed multiple hours today...

Meh, not disagreeing with you, but the daily updates have been as late as 11:30-11:45, so no report by 11:20 ish isn't entirely out of scope at this point.

You are disagreeing with me and you're wrong.

I just looked through my email and the huge majority come just after 11AM and they usually update their website before that.

So are disagreeing with me and you're wrong.

I just looked through my email and the huge majority come just after 11AM and they usually update their website before that.

And I have receipt times as late as 11:19 in my inbox for the same summaries, and that's only a cursory review.

And I have receipt times as late as 11:19 in my inbox for the same summaries, and that's only a cursory review.

That is an exception; the huge majority come right after 11.

And I thought you weren't disagreeing?


Just a coincidence they have announced the numbers for today have been delayed.

That is an exception; the huge majority come right after 11.

And I thought you weren't disagreeing?


Just a coincidence they have announced the numbers for today have been delayed.

I was trying to agree with you in the broad sense that a sizeable delay from the 11:00 timeframe is unusual. I was merely trying to say that 11:15 wasnt *that* delayed. Yes, in the recent weeks, they've been more punctual.

C'mon, Pete, I think you know I'm not one to start fights here. Not trying to now.

I guess the maskholes will have to do their shopping in Edmond, Moore and Yukon.

And?

And they will not be able to shop at Walmart, Sam's club, Aldi's and Sprouts. I guess they will like shopping at Uptown, Homeland and Crest in Edmond. Not sure of their choices in Moore or Yukon.

I guess the maskholes will have to do their shopping in Edmond, Moore and Yukon.

Hopefully they stay out of Edmond. We have enough maskholes here already, including the mayor.

The president of OSMA, the Oklahoma Nurses Association, the Oklahoma hospital association, and OCCHD have all said, either via tweets or press releases to media, that there are nursing shortages. OSMA has gone further and included bed shortages and physician shortages. It's interesting to see a whole lot of local healthcare professions in pretty flagrant disagreement with the governor and the ODSH.

The president of OSMA, the Oklahoma Nurses Association, the Oklahoma hospital association, and OCCHD have all said, either via tweets or press releases to media, that there are nursing shortages. OSMA has gone further and included bed shortages and physician shortages. It's interesting to see a whole lot of local healthcare professions in pretty flagrant disagreement with the governor and the ODSH.A few months ago when the governor was a “regular businessman” that I happily voted for and a really nice guy who we ran into at church occasionally with his family I would have put faith in anything he said. Now I see him as a self serving, lying pile of something I can’t say here.

where are the numbers for today? Are they having to find a bigger calculator? They are probably trying to figure out Sun, Mon and Today totals.

https://twitter.com/KOCODillon/status/1285650077000884224?s=20

Press conference with Stitt and some hospital CEOs at 2:30 today.

Wife said she saw on the news to not call 911 for maskholes, but to send a text to a number. Anybody know who that number belongs to? OKCPD, OCCHD, some random person's cell phone that they only check once daily, ....?

Press conference with Stitt and some hospital CEOs at 2:30 today.

Seriously hope they call him out on his bullstitt...

I know this isn't directly Oklahoma related, but when I see tweets like this -

https://twitter.com/kingsthings/status/1285657965643661315


Have questions about coronavirus or other health matters? Leave them below for Dr. Oz, who’ll join me for an interview Wednesday.

How many Americans are getting their medical advice from Dr. Oz while people like Larry King are elevating his platform. SMH.

To bring it back to Oklahoma, I've been watching the weekly City Council Meetings in Edmond, plus any special meetings, and the OKC Council Meeting from last Friday. I've heard lots of stuff repeated at these meetings that I've also heard from Dr. Oz and repeated on talk radio a lot. This is what the experts are competing with.

Did I mishear Stitt, or did he just say that positives have started to plateau?

Did I mishear Stitt, or did he just say that positives have started to plateau?

He is a liar. He is gaslighting about medical capacity. Also, we don't even have accurate case counts for THREE FREAKING DAYS so there is no way for him to truthfully make such a claim. I am not one for conspiracy, but this is how those theories originate. We get three consecutive days of "date entry errors" and then suddenly the governor claims our cases are beginning to plateau. He is a bald-faced liar.

I cannot believe evangelicals fall for people like this.

1,714 new cases, 820 backlogged is what I read.

1,714 new cases, 820 backlogged is what I read.

What does that even mean?

1,714 new cases, 820 backlogged is what I read.

So is that 1714 number corrected, or is today’s report 1714 minus 820?

The quote was "1714 with roughly half as back logged tests from Sunday and Monday"

Wife said she saw on the news to not call 911 for maskholes, but to send a text to a number. Anybody know who that number belongs to? OKCPD, OCCHD, some random person's cell phone that they only check once daily, ....?It’s the “Action Line” number that is normally used for yard parking, excessive trash, street lights out etc.

So is that 1714 number corrected, or is today’s report 1714 minus 820?

The latter.

So is that 1714 number corrected, or is today’s report 1714 minus 820?

Right, so "new" cases today is 894 with 820 from the past 2 days.

Right, so "new" cases today is 894 with 820 from the past 2 days.
Does that mean 820 plus the numbers that were reported on Sunday and Monday? I would assume so or the numbers for those days were comparatively low.

It’s the “Action Line” number that is normally used for yard parking, excessive trash, street lights out etc.

So, completely worthless, then, thought so, thanks. I'll be calling 911 then.

I see some reporters talking and I hope they get to this in a story soon. Where are they getting more nurses for this pandemic surge plan? We were in a shortage already.

I'm fascinated that since Integris decided to open up Deaconess as Covid-19 unit after the state lost their lease option on June 30, and I think made deals with some of the other for-profit hospitals in town, they had no representative on this meeting today. Hmmm.
Also if I was CEO Chuck Spicer, I'd have to drink a gallon of Pepto to stomach playing nice with the governor after he gets continually screwed by Stitt, due to lack of Medicaid passage and underfunded trauma mandate.

So, completely worthless, then, thought so, thanks. I'll be calling 911 then.
Yeah. The few things I’ve called about over the years get looked into some time in the future and most are resolved with a message saying “Upon investigation no evidence of non-compliance was found”. One was from work about a light pole that was LAYING ON THE GROUND!!

So, completely worthless, then, thought so, thanks. I'll be calling 911 then.

They've clearly asked you not to call regarding the masks. Why do you insist on taking up an emergency line?

I think we just need to do due diligence and add today’s number to the last two days’ and then divide by three. Not perfect but at least gives us a bit of a better idea as to the context of the numbers

820 plus 168 Monday plus 209 Sunday 1,197 or avg 598 for Sunday, Monday then 894 today Seem Fair

You will call 911 to enforce a $9 fine? If enough people call the action line, it works. It got Devon to finally fix their windows.

If you believe complaints to the Action Line got Devon to fix the windows then I have a great used Yugo to sell to you.

If you believe complaints to the Action Line got Devon to fix the windows then I have a great used Yugo to sell to you.

Yeah, thanks, was going to post the same thing - no way the Action Line made Devon fix their windows...

Oh, and it wouldn't be to enforce a $9 fine (which is absolutely ridiculous - someone's just going to hand a $10 bill to a cop and say "Keep the change"), it would be to enforce non-compliance with a scientific solution that is proven to reduce coronavirus transmission.

They reported 1,714 new cases today.

Averaging the last 3 days, that's 697 new cases per day.


The last Tue/Mon/Sun average was 653 and before that it was 525.

So, the number of new cases is still rising.

They've clearly asked you not to call regarding the masks. Why do you insist on taking up an emergency line?

Um, because it's a public health *emergency*? And that there's absolutely no way the so-called "Action Line" will actually take any action, much less in a timely manner. Seriously, at 5 PM, there are 10 maskholes in a store, and I text the Action Line, and 5 days later, they respond with some BS message that says "didn't find anything here that needed fixing" - what's the point? The OKC mask ordinance is completely toothless, it's all still voluntary, and yeah, it's resulting in increased compliance for now, we'll see how it's going in a week or so. Gonna be a moot point by 9/8, though, so why even give a ****, it's all going to start going to hell again then, I'll bet, if OKC reopens things more and no masks are required.

They reported 1,714 new cases today.

Averaging the last 3 days, that's 697 new cases per day.


The last Tue/Mon/Sun average was 653 and before that it was 525.

So, the number of new cases is still rising.

Bump.

They reported 1,714 new cases today.

Averaging the last 3 days, that's 697 new cases per day.


The last Tue/Mon/Sun average was 653 and before that it was 525.

So, the number of new cases is still rising.

Assuming all the numbers are accurate (which, with the data issues is questionable), the good news is the rate of increase is lower. I'll take a 7% increase over a 25% increase week to week. Obviously, no celebration until it's a decrease.

Um, because it's a public health *emergency*? And that there's absolutely no way the so-called "Action Line" will actually take any action, much less in a timely manner. Seriously, at 5 PM, there are 10 maskholes in a store, and I text the Action Line, and 5 days later, they respond with some BS message that says "didn't find anything here that needed fixing" - what's the point? The OKC mask ordinance is completely toothless, it's all still voluntary, and yeah, it's resulting in increased compliance for now, we'll see how it's going in a week or so. Gonna be a moot point by 9/8, though, so why even give a ****, it's all going to start going to hell again then, I'll bet, if OKC reopens things more and no masks are required.

Oklahoma City police released the below statement regarding their responses to any mask violation calls:

“Officers will not be proactively stopping people for mask violations.
Please do not call 911 to report mask only violations.
Currently, officers are only responding to mask violations if another criminal violation is also being committed. For example, trespassing or disorderly conduct.
If officers are faced with a mask only violation, they will encourage voluntary compliance and complete a report if necessary.”
CAPT. LARRY WITHROW, OKLAHOMA CITY POLICE DEPARTMENT

By all means, waste your time and our police resources...

Oklahoma City police released the below statement regarding their responses to any mask violation calls:

“Officers will not be proactively stopping people for mask violations.
Please do not call 911 to report mask only violations.
Currently, officers are only responding to mask violations if another criminal violation is also being committed. For example, trespassing or disorderly conduct.
If officers are faced with a mask only violation, they will encourage voluntary compliance and complete a report if necessary.”
CAPT. LARRY WITHROW, OKLAHOMA CITY POLICE DEPARTMENT

By all means, waste your time and our police resources...

As I said, it's toothless... Once the maskholes (I hope you're not one) find out nobody cares, some will most likely just stop wearing them, and after 9/8, it's gonna get ugly again anyway.