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pw405
07-19-2020, 11:52 AM
Only 209 new positive cases today and no additional deaths.

Given the other dramatic increases of daily cases over the last week, seeing such a "low number" all of a sudden is certainly suspect.

I wouldn't be surprised, given the comments about long testing delays and backlogs, if we see additional "lumpiness" with the daily reports. When we set a record on Tuesday 7/14, It was expected IMHO. However, to then go on and set a new record on Wednesday, 7/15, was not. To then go on and log the top 3 all time high on Saturday, 7-18 was certainly not expected either.

Makes me think that a large chunk of backlog was cleared out with the Wednesday & Saturday reports.

What is interesting, is how quickly our expectations have changed. If 209 cases were reported anytime before June 12th, it would have been a new one day record.

pw405
07-19-2020, 12:00 PM
From April 1 - Now, the new daily case count record has been broken on these days:

https://i.imgur.com/MF3VfMo.jpg

Hell, just 3 weeks ago a single day with over 500 cases would unprecedented.

pw405
07-19-2020, 01:00 PM
Summarizing at the month level, we find the following if the current averages remain unchanged:

If July continues to average 604 cases/day, we will have 18,719 new cases by August 1st. (March - June had a combined total of 13,435 cases.)

If July continues to average 3.4 deaths/day, 104 Oklahomans will die by August 1st.

https://i.imgur.com/LhH5bqI.jpg

gopokes88
07-19-2020, 01:26 PM
7 day rolling average started to decline. We usually get the big data dump on Tuesday’s so yesterday’s might not be too accurate.

I think we’ve peaked and a slow step down will start to occur. We only used 10% of hospital capacity. We’re fine.

https://twitter.com/mecoy/status/1284882182155243520?s=21

PoliSciGuy
07-19-2020, 01:57 PM
I highly doubt we've peaked. Effects of measures like masks, shutdowns of restaurants, etc. take a solid 2 weeks to show up in the stats. Using a Sunday to claim we're done is out of touch with the reality of testing timeframes. Tuesday's numbers will tell a lot.

kukblue1
07-19-2020, 01:59 PM
See what wearing mask do. People started wearing them seriously over a week ago and numbers are back down. Ok now that I have that out of the way I still am taking the over set at 1275 cases for Tuesday. Are you over or under?

Libbymin
07-19-2020, 03:09 PM
Went to homeland and Trader Joe’s and it was a 100% mask rate at both which was nice to see. You hear about the occasional jerk refusing to wear one and making a stink about it, but by and large, most people are compliant and just want to do the right thing.

LocoAko
07-19-2020, 06:12 PM
7 day rolling average started to decline. We usually get the big data dump on Tuesday’s so yesterday’s might not be too accurate.

I think we’ve peaked and a slow step down will start to occur. We only used 10% of hospital capacity. We’re fine.

https://twitter.com/mecoy/status/1284882182155243520?s=21

We're "fine" if your only goal is to not overrun the hospitals (which is a good goal to have, obviously). Are all the deaths and illnesses not due to hospitals being too full meaningless?

Bunty
07-19-2020, 07:23 PM
Given the other dramatic increases of daily cases over the last week, seeing such a "low number" all of a sudden is certainly suspect.

I wouldn't be surprised, given the comments about long testing delays and backlogs, if we see additional "lumpiness" with the daily reports. When we set a record on Tuesday 7/14, It was expected IMHO. However, to then go on and set a new record on Wednesday, 7/15, was not. To then go on and log the top 3 all time high on Saturday, 7-18 was certainly not expected either.

Makes me think that a large chunk of backlog was cleared out with the Wednesday & Saturday reports.

What is interesting, is how quickly our expectations have changed. If 209 cases were reported anytime before June 12th, it would have been a new one day record.
Nah, I think and hope the media daily sensationalizing record high case totals and people responding with increased mask wear is starting to work. We'll know better in coming days.

Bill Robertson
07-19-2020, 07:49 PM
Nah, I think and hope the media daily sensationalizing record high case totals and people responding with increased mask wear is starting to work. We'll know better in coming days.Is the media sensationalizing the record days? I only see one small headline daily. I’ve thought for some time that part of the spread is due to the fact that in March and April every local newscast was COVID, COVID, COVID. While was annoying in a way but probably a good thing. Now heat, social unrest and such have an equal or greater share of your average news cast. I think this adds to so many people thinking it’s no big deal anymore. Check the three local news apps. I just did. 5 has a few COVID spots, 9 has a couple with basic today’s data, 4 had nothing.

brian72
07-19-2020, 07:57 PM
Fear and death Always has peoples attention.

Bill Robertson
07-19-2020, 08:07 PM
Fear and death Always has peoples attention.
If it has everyone’s attention why so many reports of no or totally improper mask wearing, distancing or basically giving a **** about each other. I see a large number of people not paying any attention to this at all. Or still denying that it even exists.

d-usa
07-19-2020, 08:14 PM
Is the media sensationalizing the record days? I only see one small headline daily. I’ve thought for some time that part of the spread is due to the fact that in March and April every local newscast was COVID, COVID, COVID. While was annoying in a way but probably a good thing. Now heat, social unrest and such have an equal or greater share of your average news cast. I think this adds to so many people thinking it’s no big deal anymore. Check the three local news apps. I just did. 5 has a few COVID spots, 9 has a couple with basic today’s data, 4 had nothing.

I find it noteworthy that the online Oklahoman doesn’t mention the daily total in their headlines at all. It seems I always find a “new total” headline, but now a “X today” headline.

gopokes88
07-19-2020, 08:32 PM
We're "fine" if your only goal is to not overrun the hospitals (which is a good goal to have, obviously). Are all the deaths and illnesses not due to hospitals being too full meaningless?

You can’t stop death. Studies show it happens to 100% of people.
Mortality for corona is low, especially when filtering out NY’s nursing home disaster.

You can only slow a disease down, can’t stop it either. And that comes with trade offs. Those in leadership can’t be narrow minded in their path. They must consider many factors. Too many want to stop the virus at all costs.

Rover
07-19-2020, 08:42 PM
You can’t stop death. Studies show it happens to 100% of people.
Mortality for corona is low, especially when filtering out NY’s nursing home disaster.

You can only slow a disease down, can’t stop it either. And that comes with trade offs. Those in leadership can’t be narrow minded in their path. They must consider many factors. Too many want to stop the virus at all costs.
Oh, i don’t know... measles were stopped until the ignorant started resisting getting inoculated. TB and polio come to mind. The plague. And many others that have been arrested because of good public policies and actions of adult acting leaders. The anti vaccine crowd loves disease and suffering by the masses I guess.

Edmond Hausfrau
07-19-2020, 09:10 PM
Oh, i don’t know... measles were stopped until the ignorant started resisting getting inoculated. TB and polio come to mind. The plague. And many others that have been arrested because of good public policies and actions of adult acting leaders. The anti vaccine crowd loves disease and suffering by the masses I guess.

Excellent point. Zika also comes to mind. If memory serves, we sprayed pesticides in Florida to try to get a handle on the vectors, and I don't recall a ton of publicized town halls screaming about DEET in public right of ways.

PoliSciGuy
07-19-2020, 09:15 PM
You can’t stop death. Studies show it happens to 100% of people.
Mortality for corona is low, especially when filtering out NY’s nursing home disaster.

You can only slow a disease down, can’t stop it either. And that comes with trade offs. Those in leadership can’t be narrow minded in their path. They must consider many factors. Too many want to stop the virus at all costs.

Mortality is still multiple times that of the flu, even if for some reason we want to strip the humanity away from those dead in NY. Also, focusing on death misses the myriad long-term issues this thing causes, such as chronic fatigue, lung damage and brain damage. Playing this thing down or arguing that some folks just have to die to keep the economy-a-rollin’ is misinformed at best, callous and monstrous at worst.

brian72
07-20-2020, 07:07 AM
Once the mask mandate happened this board slowed way down. Hopefully it works. :cool:

C_M_25
07-20-2020, 07:32 AM
https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/6005aef3-b7ca-38c5-b750-2c2a637be325/coronavirus-drug-from.html

Some fantastic news if this proves out to be successful on a larger scale!

PoliSciGuy
07-20-2020, 08:51 AM
https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/6005aef3-b7ca-38c5-b750-2c2a637be325/coronavirus-drug-from.html

Some fantastic news if this proves out to be successful on a larger scale!


More good news, the Oxford vaccine's Phase 1 and Phase 2 trials show real promise. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-07-20/oxford-astra-covid-vaccine-shows-dual-immune-action-researcher?sref=SCKvL4TY&utm_medium=social&utm_content=business&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&cmpid=socialflow-twitter-business

soonerguru
07-20-2020, 09:21 AM
Colorado just instituted a statewide mask ordinace and a trip to Lowe's yesterday was probably about 99% compliance. I met a friend for a drink and she suggested a bar that was more of an American flag T-shirt type establishment and compliance was about 2% (us) despite the bar pleading with the patrons to put masks on. Sad that these freedom fighters are going to get these businesses shut down and lose their license for non compliance.

How has the ordinance gone in Oklahoma City so far?

We went to Costco and Target yesterday. Costco was 100% masked. The Target on NW Expressway was totally masked except for one Bubba guy. He was proud to be unmasked, although his kids were masked for some reason. But, he was the only maskless wonder in a very large store.

Later, we stopped at the gas station on Memorial and May and they had a Masks Required sign. I watched as one guy went in without a mask. I followed behind and he was arguing with the clerk, but she told him he had to leave the store, which he did. Another guy got out of his car without a mask, saw the sign, and returned to his car to get his mask before entering.

Just based upon those examples alone it is already dramatically different. It is working, just as we thought it would. It's an expectation now, unequivocally, so leagues more people are wearing them.

David
07-20-2020, 09:21 AM
You can only slow a disease down, can’t stop it either.

Ever heard of Smallpox? Know anyone that died from it recently?

TheTravellers
07-20-2020, 09:39 AM
Mortality is still multiple times that of the flu, even if for some reason we want to strip the humanity away from those dead in NY. Also, focusing on death misses the myriad long-term issues this thing causes, such as chronic fatigue, lung damage and brain damage. ...

And I believe it affects other organs besides lungs and brain, as well as causing blood clots, which can affect everything.

Libbymin
07-20-2020, 09:46 AM
I saw some young guy in his 20's start to walk in to Homeland without a mask and then he saw the sign saying masks are required and he turned around.

jn1780
07-20-2020, 09:49 AM
I highly doubt we've peaked. Effects of measures like masks, shutdowns of restaurants, etc. take a solid 2 weeks to show up in the stats. Using a Sunday to claim we're done is out of touch with the reality of testing timeframes. Tuesday's numbers will tell a lot.

If you consider that we probably still missed a lot of cases and the virus was more widespread than even the data says, and if there is some kind of cross immunity as some T-Cell studies have suggested, it is possible were seeing some kind of suppression kicking in.

I don't bring up Sweden to advocate their policies, but their peak happened several weeks ago. There is no logical explanation to explain this unless their getting some suppression effects. Herd immunity in ideal conditions occurs at 60%. So they shouldn't be there unless an unknown percentage of the population has some kind of T-Cell resistance.

Arizona has clearly peaked, They had a partial lockdown a couple of weeks ago.

For Oklahoma, the total hospitalized and ICU went down slightly Friday. Only one data point though, so that can't be used to make a claim for a peak. Could be Hospitals being less aggressive on admissions. But with testing backlog, I would expect to see hospitalizations decline before testing data shows a decline.

soonerguru
07-20-2020, 09:55 AM
I find it noteworthy that the online Oklahoman doesn’t mention the daily total in their headlines at all. It seems I always find a “new total” headline, but now a “X today” headline.

KOCO does a better job covering COVID 19 than the Oklahoman. They may have one or two enterprise stories a week, max. Then their daily "ho hum X number of cases reported today" story, completely devoid of context. For example, I find information helpful like: Yukon and Altus led the state last week in new cases for Oklahoma cities. None of that was in the Oklahoman.

They did finally cover the outbreak in Texas County when it had been happening for weeks, and then a story about McCurtain County that left more questions than answers.

ON EDIT: This is a very well written and sourced feature by Carmen Forman in today's Oklahoman. Great writing with the kind of depth that is rare in their stories these days.

https://oklahoman.com/article/5667155/what-makes-the-coronavirus-so-political

soonerguru
07-20-2020, 10:02 AM
You can’t stop death. Studies show it happens to 100% of people.
Mortality for corona is low, especially when filtering out NY’s nursing home disaster.

You can only slow a disease down, can’t stop it either. And that comes with trade offs. Those in leadership can’t be narrow minded in their path. They must consider many factors. Too many want to stop the virus at all costs.

Is this Mike Gundy talking here? I cannot believe you are still making this argument. For one, we will probably lose 200,000 Americans to this this year. Nothing has come close to that since World War II and that was over several years.

Secondly, you continue to ignore the widely known fact that surviving COVID-19 is no picnic. There are going to be millions of Americans with lasting organ damage and recurring symptoms who "survived."

You might want to stop making the same points people were making in early March, you know, before they learned lots of new stuff.

silvergrove
07-20-2020, 11:03 AM
There's an interesting article on 'What makes the coronavirus so political?' by Carmen Forman on the Oklahoman website. They asked a doctor who was hesitant to wade into the political debate. He responded:


“I don’t know about the political stuff,” he said. “All I know about is the science, and I know that wearing a mask makes a difference.”

I have an advanced degree in infectious diseases and can definitely say, a good number of the public's response to the coronavirus is bewildering!

LocoAko
07-20-2020, 11:04 AM
Only +168 today.

As much as I believe in the efficacy of everyone wearing masks, something doesn't seem right about these latest numbers...

Timshel
07-20-2020, 11:04 AM
168 today. Obviously great news looking at it in a vacuum, but curious how many outstanding tests there still are and what hospitalization figures were over the weekend. While we've hopefully hit the peak, can't imagine that numbers stay this low all week long.

FighttheGoodFight
07-20-2020, 11:05 AM
168 today. Obviously great news looking at it in a vacuum, but curious how many outstanding tests there still are and what hospitalization figures were over the weekend. While we've hopefully hit the peak, can't imagine that numbers stay this low all week long.

I believe the weeknight report shows pending tests so we should see what is going on tonight.

Also this from KassieMcClung. https://twitter.com/kassiemcclung/status/1285244440991404033?s=21

“I've been told that the department of health has been having trouble with its reporting system, which would account for the numbers we've been seeing over the past couple days.“

PoliSciGuy
07-20-2020, 11:06 AM
It's a technical error https://twitter.com/KassieMcClung/status/1285244440991404033


I've been told that the department of health has been having trouble with its reporting system, which would account for the numbers we've been seeing over the past couple days.

Timshel
07-20-2020, 11:08 AM
It's a technical error https://twitter.com/KassieMcClung/status/1285244440991404033

That makes more sense. Though it is a bit troubling that they're publishing these numbers, apparently/potentially knowing there are errors, and not saying anything about it to the public.

Edit: Looks like they did release a statement/included information in the daily email, which is good. Hopefully it was released as soon as practicable after figuring out the issue.

Ohwiseone
07-20-2020, 11:09 AM
Which means that when they fix whatever issue they have the cases are going to spike.

Even if it is an error, I do like living in this world of lower cases.

LocoAko
07-20-2020, 11:09 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdYb2LOXgAEtWg9?format=png&name=900x900

I wonder if they'll go back and "fix" the past two days of reports for the purpose of having an accurate timeseries, or if we're just going to get an insane spike in the next few days.

PoliSciGuy
07-20-2020, 11:10 AM
It's definitely an error. Hopefully we get adjusted data once they fix it.

Bill Robertson
07-20-2020, 11:14 AM
N/m

TheTravellers
07-20-2020, 11:25 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdYb2LOXgAEtWg9?format=png&name=900x900

I wonder if they'll go back and "fix" the past two days of reports for the purpose of having an accurate timeseries, or if we're just going to get an insane spike in the next few days.

I'd bet the latter, hope they aren't using the same team that's working on the HHS website (is it still missing pieces of info, I haven't seen any stories in the past couple of days?).

FighttheGoodFight
07-20-2020, 11:35 AM
Ya I imagine we will get some huge number that will backdate those missing days. Kind of screws up the graphs but hopefully will be fixed soon.

RustytheBailiff
07-20-2020, 12:05 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdYb2LOXgAEtWg9?format=png&name=900x900

I wonder if they'll go back and "fix" the past two days of reports for the purpose of having an accurate timeseries, or if we're just going to get an insane spike in the next few days.

Unfortunately, these scenarios are not mutually inclusive -- they could fix it for Sunday and Monday and we could still get an ungodly spike....



SAVE OTHERS WEAR MASKS

dankrutka
07-20-2020, 12:36 PM
It's worth noting that even if all these drugs and vaccines are as successful as is possible, we're still probably looking to the 2nd quarter of 2021 before they can be produced and distributed... still probably about a year—if everything goes right—before people could get back to something resembling normal.

PoliSciGuy
07-20-2020, 12:43 PM
It's worth noting that even if all these drugs and vaccines are as successful as is possible, we're still probably looking to the 2nd quarter of 2021 before they can be produced and distributed... still probably about a year—if everything goes right—before people could get back to something resembling normal.

Nah, sooner. Numerous companies in India, US and UK are already making the Oxford vaccine and have been producing them since May. There will probably be ~100m doses available by the end of *this* year if the vaccine turns out to work, and a critical mass amount for the US by the middle of next year at the latest.

This fall is still going to suck, no doubt about it, but next spring should look significantly better than this year between the new vaccines and treatments (and also just fewer susceptible people).

Ronnie Jackson
07-20-2020, 12:45 PM
It's worth noting that even if all these drugs and vaccines are as successful as is possible, we're still probably looking to the 2nd quarter of 2021 before they can be produced and distributed... still probably about a year—if everything goes right—before people could get back to something resembling normal.

Right, yea, this isn’t accurate at all. CDC has said that near universal mask wear will ground it to a halt within 6 to 8 weeks, even if most businesses are open. Goldman has said the same.

oklip955
07-20-2020, 01:09 PM
I went shopping at the Sam's club in Edmond, 95% wearing masks if you count the 17 people with masks at their chin or mostly just covering their mouth and not their noses. Does that count if they refuse to cover their nose??

kukblue1
07-20-2020, 01:33 PM
If they know the numbers are not right then why release them at all?. Also on inhaler treatment I always worry about those when they never say how many people were treated. Kind of like the vaccine 30 people don't get me excited.

TheTravellers
07-20-2020, 01:40 PM
I went shopping at the Sam's club in Edmond, 95% wearing masks if you count the 17 people with masks at their chin or mostly just covering their mouth and not their noses. Does that count if they refuse to cover their nose??

No, it doesn't count, the OKC ordinance says this (bold mine), and many others do too. ****ing idiots - it's amazing how stupid our country's population is.

The face covering must cover both the nose and mouth. A face shield is an alternative to a cloth face covering or mask.

jerrywall
07-20-2020, 01:53 PM
A face shield is an alternative to a cloth face covering or mask.

I know that's what the ordinance says, but I've been wondering about this since the council meeting. I know the CDC site says "CDC does not recommend use of face shields for normal everyday activities or as a substitute for cloth face coverings." All medical professionals I've seen using face shields are using them in additional to masks, not as an alternative. Is there a benefit to folks just wearing face shields by themselves?

TheTravellers
07-20-2020, 02:10 PM
I know that's what the ordinance says, but I've been wondering about this since the council meeting. I know the CDC site says "CDC does not recommend use of face shields for normal everyday activities or as a substitute for cloth face coverings." All medical professionals I've seen using face shields are using them in additional to masks, not as an alternative. Is there a benefit to folks just wearing face shields by themselves?

Personally, I don't see how - it only protects in one direction - straight-out horizontally. Sides and bottom are open, so I have absolutely no idea how a face shield by itself can actually do any good at all, nothing is really covered tightly. Been wondering about that "guidance" of "face shields are an alternative" for a while.

kukblue1
07-20-2020, 02:11 PM
[QUOTE=jerrywall;1130477]I know that's what the ordinance says, but I've been wondering about this since the council meeting. I know the CDC site says "CDC does not recommend use of face shields for normal everyday activities or as a substitute for cloth face coverings." All medical professionals I've seen using face shields are using them in additional to masks, not as an alternative. Is there a benefit to folks just wearing face shields by themselves?[/QUOTE

I think face shields are good when you in that 6-10 feet range of someone. Your not in close contact but not super close. Another good use would be like ordering in a food in a restaurant or for picking up food in drive thru Makes it easier for the server to hear you but your still covered.

Snowman
07-20-2020, 02:28 PM
If they know the numbers are not right then why release them at all?. Also on inhaler treatment I always worry about those when they never say how many people were treated. Kind of like the vaccine 30 people don't get me excited.

It sounds like the web pages are more auto-generated than going through a release process.

Bill Robertson
07-20-2020, 02:40 PM
It sounds like the web pages are more auto-generated than going through a release process.
I’m thinking they are. The email comes out at almost exactly the same time every day.

jerrywall
07-20-2020, 03:04 PM
I’m thinking they are. The email comes out at almost exactly the same time every day.

Yeah, I'd bet that too, and also if it's like 90% of the government systems I've seen, it's probably something where various agencies and hospitals upload a CSV or XML file somewhere, and they all get automatically processed and the data added everywhere automatically. All it takes is for an extra character somewhere and the file won't process correctly, assuming a file was even sent at all. So many opportunities for failure here. You would have thought that humans would be reviewing the data and the feed to confirm before distributing the data.

Timshel
07-20-2020, 03:35 PM
While I tend to agree with everyone here, it should be noted that the other times there have been technical issues (two that I can remember) they delayed posting the numbers until the issue was resolved. Could have been a different issue that couldn't be caught, was missed, or there was a change in policy, etc.

I'm also not sure what "technical data entry issues" means. A "technical issue" and a "data entry issue/error" seem like different things to me...

pw405
07-20-2020, 04:01 PM
While I tend to agree with everyone here, it should be noted that the other times there have been technical issues (two that I can remember) they delayed posting the numbers until the issue was resolved. Could have been a different issue that couldn't be caught, was missed, or there was a change in policy, etc.

I'm also not sure what "technical data entry issues" means. A "technical issue" and a "data entry issue/error" seem like different things to me...

It is could be that a data entry issue caused a technical issue. As an example.... Say some new secretary was uploading a .CSV file (stands for comms sperated value. . CSV files are actually just text, but there's a specific order to where the commas go in order to create a table format from the text.) Anyways, say this person had a bad format when they tried to upload. Maybe Excel translated the table too many times causing the data to no longer be in the format the website recognizes. A million things can go wrong, who knows. Then say, perhaps this bad upload caused their system to get stuck in an infinite loop of retry attempts. Perhaps this went on for 48 hours undetected. Eventually, this infinite loop of attempts could cause the server to run out of memory, or make the application crash.

Now, this is totally just a guess. It may not work like this at all, but having spent a large amount of my career working on systems that represent some intersection of data & user experience, things like this are not surprising at all.

Jersey Boss
07-20-2020, 04:03 PM
Maybe the Oklahoma Unemployment Agency took over the oversight.

FighttheGoodFight
07-20-2020, 04:23 PM
Maybe the Oklahoma Unemployment Agency took over the oversight.

The one fax machine went down and their backup dot matrix printer was offline.

OKC Talker
07-20-2020, 06:06 PM
I don't know if Quest will be doing pooled testing locally but it would decrease costs and dramatically speed up the time it takes to return results.

https://fortune.com/2020/07/20/us-coronavirus-testing-batch-pool-method-wuhan/amp/

Bill Robertson
07-20-2020, 06:12 PM
The one fax machine went down and their backup dot matrix printer was offline.
I thought we at the Federal level were the only ones with ancient equipment!

Snowman
07-20-2020, 06:42 PM
While I tend to agree with everyone here, it should be noted that the other times there have been technical issues (two that I can remember) they delayed posting the numbers until the issue was resolved. Could have been a different issue that couldn't be caught, was missed, or there was a change in policy, etc.

I'm also not sure what "technical data entry issues" means. A "technical issue" and a "data entry issue/error" seem like different things to me...

My guess is that it means the statement is coming from communications or public relations staff, who tend to have backgrounds in writing and/or artwork, not programming and/or data management. Granted you probably do not want your programmers or database staff doing your writing or editing either.

GoOKC1991
07-20-2020, 07:43 PM
Via Wendy Suares of Fox 25 on Twitter: A downtown business owner claims all masks except N95 masks don't filter out coronavirus and can't work. (Countless studies refute this claim, btw.) Says a mandate would "only make these people feel good," but we'd be "losing all common sense."

Next commenter is also apparently an expert in mask effectiveness. Says God already knows when each of us will die anyway and we shouldn't bow down to fear tactics. She was especially upset a doctor was allowed to comment even though he is not an Edmond resident.

Now we have a business owner who doesn't like "science," prefers history, and cited atrocities when "science was wrong." (Like using leaches) So we shouldn't go off of science right now, because the science is being manipulated. Or something.

Edmond city council will NOT make a decision on a mask mandate tonight. Next action could possibly happen next week. @OKCFOX