Exceptions are already in place for eating, so allowing the removal of masks for communion would be in line with requirements. What other rituals do you think are impacted by this?

The only ritual that I can see there would be a problem would be a baptism with immersion. The person would simply remove their mask during this and then dry their face and replace. There is an exemption when wearing a mask is not practical. Same as with a dentist performing dental care. As someone stated earlier, churches are not exempt from fire and building codes. This is just another civil law they must follow. By the way the Archdiocese of Okc (which covers the western half of the state) has mandated masks must be worn while on church/diocesan property except while receiving communion. The parishes have been following social distancing guidelines since reopening.

Requiring masks for religious services isn’t remotely regulating religion.Jesus first called them hypocrites, and then asked one of them to produce a Roman coin that would be suitable for paying Caesar's tax. One of them showed him a Roman coin, and he asked them whose head and inscription were on it. They answered, "Caesar's," and he responded: "Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's".

Jesus first called them hypocrites, and then asked one of them to produce a Roman coin that would be suitable for paying Caesar's tax. One of them showed him a Roman coin, and he asked them whose head and inscription were on it. They answered, "Caesar's," and he responded: "Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's".

God helps those that help themselves....wear a mask!


DON"T KILL YOUR NEIGHBORS -- WEAR MASKS

Well, this is all very much a moot point now.

It’s obvious that Holt and Company are scared of Marty Green, Uncle Craig and the rest of the Chaucer’s Canterbury Tales jet set.

And I’d be scared too. Those Church Bros are perfectly comfortable spending big racks of Tithe Cash on top attorneys and appeal after appeal, even in the highest courts.

A new member to the Brown Shirts, calling the cops is always a better solution...

Because "personal responsibility" has worked out sooooooooooooooooooo well.

Because "personal responsibility" has worked out sooooooooooooooooooo well.

"Personal Responsibility" really means "it's your problem, not mine."

I'm bemused by the persons calling the citizens who follow the mask guidelines "sheep", as these are the same persons that were clamoring for herd immunity.
Talk about your mixed metaphors...

916 new cases today.

6 more people have died.

916 on a Saturday is the most cases for that day of the week thus far.

Last Saturday was the previous high at 687.


7 day rolling average is now 754.

916 on a Saturday is the most cases for that day of the week thus far.

Last Saturday was the previous high at 687.


7 day rolling average is now 754.

Over or under 1500 for Tuesday?

A coworker of mine had her mother end up in the hospital in Chickasha this week, for an injury that was bad enough she needed the ICU (i.e. non-COVID-related). She ended up needing more advanced care than Chickasha was able to provide, but none of the hospitals in OKC or Norman would accept the transfer. She ended up being sent to Lawton instead. Even that was kind of touch-and-go for a while and there had been talk of Wichita Falls being the backup plan.

Things are getting scary.

But Saturday morning on Fox News, Gov. Stitt boasted that Oklahoma was prepared with 5000 beds, but only 550 now hospitalized over covid.

916 on a Saturday is the most cases for that day of the week thus far.

Last Saturday was the previous high at 687.


7 day rolling average is now 754.

Then you better hope this liberal pediatrician, who Michael Moore recently interviewed for a podcast isn't right. He thinks there needs to be another shutdown.

"Dr. Irwin Redlener is a nationally-renowned pediatrician, scholar, longtime advocate for children’s health and a top expert on disaster preparedness who directs the Pandemic Resource and Response Initiative at Columbia University’s Earth Institute. He has been serving the American public blunt truths about the coronavirus pandemic from the very beginning, and he shares some frightening new assessments about where we might soon land: One million new cases EVERY DAY — and 800,000 to 1.5 million of us DEAD by November if we don’t get our act together. He and Michael have an animated discussion about how Trump’s America screwed up the response to Covid-19, how Joe Biden could actually just start leading the real pandemic response we need NOW (and from his basement!) which would save tens of thousands of lives, and finally Dr. Redlener gets Michael to promise to personally call Vice President Biden and tell him what he just told his podcast audience. The call will be made."
https://rumble.media/episode/episode-99-one-full-wuhan-every-single-day-in-the-usa-featuring-dr-irwin-redlener/

Besides the point. ICU beds and staffing are what concerns the professionals.
Did he brag to FOX that he secured a supply of the tRump miracle drug, hydroxy?.
Nope. Stitt says he now feels good and is at 100%. He didn't mention using Hydroxy. He also said he won't be issuing a statewide mask wear mandate, because it would be difficult to enforce and some counties in Oklahoma don't have positive cases. I'm not sure that is still currently true.

Went to both Big Truck and Coffee Slingers this morning.

100% mask compliance.

Funny how that works.

^

Same at Sam's Club.

My biggest (or easiest) argument is, if you don't like wearing a mask, or don't want to fine - I don't think anyone enjoys it. Even if you disagree with the science behind it, just wear it so you don't look like an asshole. Do you really want to be the person walking barefoot in WalMart? Rules are rules and sure most places probably won't escalate it too far for fear of a scene arising, but you still look like a jerk.

If there is one thing “2nd Amendment Audits” have taught me, it’s that people don’t give a crap about looking like assholes.

Just walked Quail Springs Mall, pretty busy and only saw five people without a mask on and everybody in the line at Blue Zoo, which was from the entrance to BZ back to the mall entrance had a mask on.

If there is one thing “2nd Amendment Audits” have taught me, it’s that people don’t give a crap about looking like assholes.
Nailed it.

I went into a Best Buy, bancfirst, and an oncue this morning. (Oncue already had signs on their door)
I saw 99% mask compliance. It was the first time I felt like EVERYONE had masks on.

Shocking..

It's actually liberating...

Now that we know that almost everyone will be wearing a mask, I think most people will get out more.

Texas Roadhouse at Penn and Memorial already with a “Masks required upon entry” sign on the door.

Walmart Penn and Memorial: Guy in front of me tries to go in without a mask on, greeter or whoever says “you have to have a mask on” but let’s him go and says “I can’t break his leg to stop him”.

Talked to a manager and she says “All we can do is tell them what the city ordinance is. We can’t stop them from shopping”. I then asked what about Wal-Mart’s policy starting on Monday, her response “It will be the same thing”. Wow.

Also, a guy is walking around the store without his mask on and yelling “I am not a follower. If you make me wear a mask, I will sue you”.

Walmart Penn and Memorial: Guy in front of me tries to go in without a mask on, greeter or whoever says “you have to have a mask on” but let’s him go and says “I can’t break his leg to stop him”.

Talked to a manager and she says “All we can do is tell them what the city ordinance is. We can’t stop them from shopping”. I then asked what about Wal-Mart’s policy starting on Monday, her response “It will be the same thing”. Wow.

Also, a guy is walking around the store without his mask on and yelling “I am not a follower. If you make me wear a mask, I will sue you”.

Actually, yes, they can stop someone from shopping, pretty much as long as the reasons don't fall into a protected class and aren't covered by existing discrimination laws (sex, age, race, etc.). Private businesses can do that - no shirt, no shoes, no service, just add masks to that. Wal-mart HQ needs to educate store managers.

Yet one more reason not to shop at Walmart.

Yet one more reason not to shop at Walmart.

Meh. It’s so cheap tho.
I’ll just wear my Ventilated N95.
Will be Cool-De-La.

Meh. It’s so cheap tho.
I’ll just wear my Ventilated N95.
Will be Cool-De-La.

The Target Tax is worth it...

Walmart is REQUIRING masks staring on Monday, the 20th...no need to keep bashing them. There will also be employees at the front of the store to keep those without masks out, or give them masks, most likely.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/15/business/walmart-masks/index.html

Yet one more reason not to shop at Walmart.

Yep, we quit shopping there long ago. Ended up buying a few things at their Neighborhood Market that nobody else carried - Manwich Bold, a few frozen things, but not even gonna do that anymore.

Walmart is REQUIRING masks staring on Monday, the 20th...no need to keep bashing them. There will also be employees at the front of the store to keep those without masks out, or give them masks, most likely.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/15/business/walmart-masks/index.html

But they clearly are *not* keeping those without masks out of the store:

https://www.okctalk.com/showthread.php?t=45625&p=1130294#post1130294

Maybe it'll change on Monday and they actually *will* stop people from going inside, who knows...

Yep, we quit shopping there long ago. Ended up buying a few things at their Neighborhood Market that nobody else carried - Manwich Bold, a few frozen things, but not even gonna do that anymore.

I do go to a neighborhood market fairly often, it has that Walmart brand but without the Walmart feel, if that makes sense.

I do go to a neighborhood market fairly often, it has that Walmart brand but without the Walmart feel, if that makes sense.
Same here. I can't remember the last time I went in a Walmart Supercenter, but I go to WMNM regularly.

But they clearly are *not* keeping those without masks out of the store:

https://www.okctalk.com/showthread.php?t=45625&p=1130294#post1130294

Maybe it'll change on Monday and they actually *will* stop people from going inside, who knows...

I still wonder about the quote he put at the end. No one actually says stuff like that, not even in Oklahoma. I won't say it didn't happen, but it doesn't seem real. And I think it will keep people from going. I like to think that a company making such a huge public statement about it would prefer not to lose some goodwill.

I still wonder about the quote he put at the end. No one actually says stuff like that, not even in Oklahoma. I won't say it didn't happen, but it doesn't seem real. And I think it will keep people from going. I like to think that a company making such a huge public statement about it would prefer not to lose some goodwill.

It absolutely did happen. I heard it. If you don’t want to believe it, that’s fine.

In this world of “Karen’s” and whatever you call the male version of them, people will say anything.

Meanwhile, the Trump admin is hindering testing, tracing and isolating programs. I honestly don’t know how this is defensible

https://apple.news/AgDjbzkpyQCq6FVO-p9uFkA

Walmart pick up though is outstanding and trust me i'm not pro Walmart. In fact they pissed me off that from 2013-2018 i never stepped foot in a Walmart. However no other places around here do car side pick up. Target might. Crest will Deliver but the fees are not really worth it when I can just go to Walmart tell them I'm there they load the trunk and off I go. First of April is the first time I ever did car side pick up and first time I ever brought grocery at walmart. I LOVE IT. I do kind of miss going around and looking at things however I can do that online too :) It's so easy and saves me a lot of time.

I do go to a neighborhood market fairly often, it has that Walmart brand but without the Walmart feel, if that makes sense.

Yeah, it does, and the one on 23rd isn't *too* bad (the one in Edmond on 2nd is crazy busy and big, might as well be a real Wal-mart), but Homeland, Sprouts, and Uptown serve our needs well enough that we don't really need to go to them...

Meanwhile, the Trump admin is hindering testing, tracing and isolating programs. I honestly don’t know how this is defensible

https://apple.news/AgDjbzkpyQCq6FVO-p9uFkA

*None* of what that idiot's admin has done during this pandemic has been defensible, this is just #547 on that list.

Meh. It’s so cheap tho.
I’ll just wear my Ventilated N95.
Will be Cool-De-La.

Did you know some N95 masks only have a one way filter? Some only filter air coming in and provide no filtering for exiting air.

I have been observing mask wearers and quite the comedy, so public service announcement.

If you didn’t know when you have your mask on as soon as you touch the front of it, you just infected your hand and then anything your hand touches. If you leave the store and take it off, put it in your pocket it or touch any part of the front, you just infected everything the front of the mask touched. If you go home and take your make off and put it on a table or counter, you just infected that area.

The only way to not infect anything with your mask is when taking off is to immediately throw away or put in a virus proof bag to then throw away the mask.

If you are taking off your mask between errands, you just infected everything the front of the mask is touching.

If a store employee touches the front of their mask and then touches an item at check out, they just infected that item that you will then touch infecting you.

I have been observing mask wearers and quite the comedy, so public service announcement.

If you didn’t know when you have your mask on as soon as you touch the front of it, you just infected your hand and then anything your hand touches. If you leave the store and take it off, put it in your pocket it or touch any part of the front, you just infected everything the front of the mask touched. If you go home and take your make off and put it on a table or counter, you just infected that area.

Given your history of comparing this to the flu, you’ll have to understand the skepticism of some members of this board when it comes to your general knowledge about this thing.

The only way to not infect anything with your mask is when taking off is to immediately throw away or put in a virus proof bag to then throw away the mask.

If you are taking off your mask between errands, you just infected everything the front of the mask is touching.

If a store employee touches the front of their mask and then touches an item at check out, they just infected that item that you will then touch infecting you.

You're going to need to cite some peer reviewed studies for these claims, because these fly in the face of existing studies on the topic. Contamination via surfaces is not how the vast majority of these cases spread. See updated CDC guidance:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/how-covid-spreads.html

If you follow what has been said from the outset, to wash your hands before touching your face, you significantly lower the odds of getting a meaningful viral dose.

Given your history of comparing this thing to the flu, you’ll have to forgive some of us on this board of being skeptical of your general knowledge on these matters.

He has no interest in discussion or even reading responses.

He does a drive-by troll post of disproven bull**** every few days, and then leaves.

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and yet, where people wear masks, infection rates decline.

You're going to need to cite some peer reviewed studies for these claims, because these fly in the face of existing studies on the topic. Contamination via surfaces is not how the vast majority of these cases spread. See updated CDC guidance:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/how-covid-spreads.html

If you follow what has been said from the outset, to wash your hands before touching your face, you significantly lower the odds of getting a meaningful viral dose.

Given your history of comparing this thing to the flu, you’ll have to forgive some of us on this board of being skeptical of your general knowledge on these matters.

To be fair, what emtefury said was a concern at the beginning of this, and was one of *my* concerns (do the pros of wearing a mask outweigh the cons of people not wearing them correctly and/or screwing with them constantly?). But now, as you said, they've found that surface contact isn't nearly as contagion-prone as they thought, so the current thinking is actually "Masks won't protect you completely, but even with the disadvantages, they're still better than nothing and do a decent job of decreasing transmission".

No love for Oklahoma on CNN tonight Texas 10,000 cases in Texas but also has a population of 29 million people Oklahoma have 1,000 cases but only a population of 4 million so I think we are actually worse shape than Texas. SMH

Again...the primary reason to wear a mask is to keep you from blowing infected droplets out where they can infect others, so if you aren't a healthcare worker, and your mask is infected enough that you could spread the infection by touch, the infection probably came from you. If not, you were probably way too close to someone else who was infected and/or were not wearing a mask. Wear a mask and distance.

That said, yeah, you should mind how you touch everything, how you might spread covid by touch to yourself and to others. If someone else touches their self infected mask and then a surface you are going to touch, you have a better chance of stopping the transmission by minding all of that. A lot better then trying to dodge airborne droplets.

You're going to need to cite some peer reviewed studies for these claims, because these fly in the face of existing studies on the topic. Contamination via surfaces is not how the vast majority of these cases spread. See updated CDC guidance:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/how-covid-spreads.html

If you follow what has been said from the outset, to wash your hands before touching your face, you significantly lower the odds of getting a meaningful viral dose.

Given your history of comparing this thing to the flu, you’ll have to forgive some of us on this board of being skeptical of your general knowledge on these matters.

D-USA I don’t troll on here. I post my opinions and facts I know and research. An opinion contrary to yours or a fact that you don’t like is not trolling. I don’t have time to check everyone post and possible responses to my posts, so I check the forum every few days to see what is going on and respond if I have time.

About touching a mask and being infected. From what everyone on here is saying, the mask prevents fluids and droplets from infecting a person. The fluid or droplet is what contains the virus. When someone touches the fluid droplet with their hand (that was on their mask), then their hand is now infected. If that hand then goes into your eye nose or mouth, you now have the possibility of infecting yourself.

I don’t need to read or site a peer reviewed article for something that is common sense.

Went by OnCue today, full mask compliance for everyone I saw. "Unenforceable" quickly becomes 99% voluntary compliance once you set the rules. Only the small number of "muh freedom" types are going to make a big point about it, and they will hopefully be few enough that the mandate mostly accomplishes what it needs to.

No love for Oklahoma on CNN tonight Texas 10,000 cases in Texas but also has a population of 29 million people Oklahoma have 1,000 cases but only a population of 4 million so I think we are actually worse shape than Texas. SMH
Using your numbers, Oklahoma would be at 7250, assuming population of 29 million. So, less than 10,000 texas on 29 million population.

Maybe we should close our southern border w/texas.

D-USA I don’t troll on here. I post my opinions and facts I know and research. An opinion contrary to yours or a fact that you don’t like is not trolling. I don’t have time to check everyone post and possible responses to my posts, so I check the forum every few days to see what is going on and respond if I have time.

About touching a mask and being infected. From what everyone on here is saying, the mask prevents fluids and droplets from infecting a person. The fluid or droplet is what contains the virus. When someone touches the fluid droplet with their hand (that was on their mask), then their hand is now infected. If that hand then goes into your eye nose or mouth, you now have the possibility of infecting yourself.

I don’t need to read or site a peer reviewed article for something that is common sense.

I think you do because you're demonstrating a really poor understanding of how long this thing lives on surfaces and its main mode of contagion. Your "common sense" is about 4 months out of date, and reading up on research might serve to educate you to the point where you're no longer seen as a troll. Until then....

I don’t need to read or site a peer reviewed article for something that is common sense.

Says every PhD right before they are denied tenure.

Using your numbers, Oklahoma would be at 7250, assuming population of 29 million. So, less than 10,000 texas on 29 million population.

Maybe we should close our southern border w/texas.

Then our two big colleges wouldn't have football teams.

No love for Oklahoma on CNN tonight Texas 10,000 cases in Texas but also has a population of 29 million people Oklahoma have 1,000 cases but only a population of 4 million so I think we are actually worse shape than Texas. SMH

29/4 = 7.25 * 1000 = 7,250. No, we are not doing worse than Texas, at least off this metric.

Then our two big colleges wouldn't have football teams.

Ouch. But true.

Colorado just instituted a statewide mask ordinace and a trip to Lowe's yesterday was probably about 99% compliance. I met a friend for a drink and she suggested a bar that was more of an American flag T-shirt type establishment and compliance was about 2% (us) despite the bar pleading with the patrons to put masks on. Sad that these freedom fighters are going to get these businesses shut down and lose their license for non compliance.

How has the ordinance gone in Oklahoma City so far?

[QUOTE=jonny d;1130332]29/4 = 7.25 * 1000 = 7,250. No, we are not doing worse than Texas, at least off this metric.[/QUOT
We are still close given the size of Texas

Only 209 new positive cases today and no additional deaths.

[QUOTE=jonny d;1130332]29/4 = 7.25 * 1000 = 7,250. No, we are not doing worse than Texas, at least off this metric.[/QUOT
We are still close given the size of Texas

Not really. We are, proportionately, doing BETTER than Texas. Your own stats prove it. Not saying OK is doing well, but your own stats you stated show OK is proportionately better than TX.