I wonder who drew the short straw to do the contact tracing on the governor?

Coronavirus hospital data will now be sent to Trump administration instead of CDC


https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/14/politics/trump-administration-coronavirus-hospital-data-cdc/index.html

Someone just posted on Reddit a photo of Stitt at the Walmart near Penn & Memorial from Saturday and of course, he's not wearing a mask.

Are hospitals in Oklahoma still allowing elective surgeries?

Coronavirus hospital data will now be sent to Trump administration instead of CDC


https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/14/politics/trump-administration-coronavirus-hospital-data-cdc/index.html

Yes, numbers should be improving now, although deaths will continue to rise....

STAY SAFE WEAR MASKS

Are hospitals in Oklahoma still allowing elective surgeries?

That is up to the hospital companies.

I know some are doing them.

Coronavirus hospital data will now be sent to Trump administration instead of CDC


https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/14/politics/trump-administration-coronavirus-hospital-data-cdc/index.html
I realize your spin here but this article explains a little about the move.

While some former health officials worry the move could result in less transparent data, they acknowledged in interviews that the CDC’s data collection system is outdated and doesn’t meet the demands of the Covid-19 pandemic.
“The CDC’s old data gathering operation once worked well monitoring hospital information across the country, but it’s an inadequate system today,” HHS spokesman Michael Caputo said in a statement to CNBC. “The President’s Coronavirus Task Force has urged improvements for months, but they just cannot keep up with this pandemic.


https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/15/trump-administration-changes-its-process-for-collecting-and-reporting-us-coronavirus-hospital-data.html

I realize your spin here but this article explains a little about the move.

While some former health officials worry the move could result in less transparent data, they acknowledged in interviews that the CDC’s data collection system is outdated and doesn’t meet the demands of the Covid-19 pandemic.
“The CDC’s old data gathering operation once worked well monitoring hospital information across the country, but it’s an inadequate system today,” HHS spokesman Michael Caputo said in a statement to CNBC. “The President’s Coronavirus Task Force has urged improvements for months, but they just cannot keep up with this pandemic.


https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/15/trump-administration-changes-its-process-for-collecting-and-reporting-us-coronavirus-hospital-data.html

https://www.okctalk.com/showthread.php?t=45607&p=1129402#post1129402

And do you trust what an HHS spokesman says?

https://www.businessinsider.com/michael-caputo-hhs-trump-loyalist-ukraine-roger-stone-2020-4

My disgust toward Stitt has reached new heights today. Not only is he refusing to even consider a mask mandate, but he says he has "no regrets" about foolishly going around to various places without one. Who knows how many of his own citizens he's exposed, nevermind the example it sets. I have friends texting me from around the country telling me what an embarrassment our governor is.

Way to care about your own citizens, Governor.

And, relatedly, while hospital capacity is obviously important and we don't want to overwhelm the system, why is this the only metric that matters? Are we only seeking to prevent any additional deaths that would result from hospitals being over capacity? Are we not even trying to prevent deaths from this disease in general???

He is a honestly an awful governor, I can not wait until he is gone

So for the past six months or so, I've had this chronic fatigue. I turn 40 later this year but there have been days that I can only shuffle across my house like I'm twice that. I actually mentioned to my wife that we might need to look into a cane last week. There's been a couple other things I thought may have been causing this - I was working 2 jobs and 80 hour weeks and I'm a Type 2 Diabetic on a Keto diet so the fatigue didn't seem too out of place.

But I quit the second job almost two months ago and recent labs are showing everything looks great ((the Keto diet has been amazing - I would love to talk about it if anyone has any questions! Solved so many problems for me.)) Despite that, I'm still having days where I feel like I could just turn into a statue - zero energy. Some days are fine - last week was a great example, felt wonderful the first of the week and thought I was maybe making progress then just completely zapped from Wednesday through the weekend. Had a followup appt today and the doc ordered an antibody test because apparently this could be a result of having had it.

What's also interesting is back around the start of the year, I had enough instances of nearly having panic attacks thinking I couldn't breathe that I mentioned it to the dr and he gave me some BS anxiety med for it. Oddly, it was mostly only when laying down and trying to sleep. It went away not too long after. I never had any other "sick" symptoms - that's one of the best parts of Keto/low carb - I don't even have headaches that much anymore. I do know a couple other people who got pretty sick earlier in the year but no one who has actually been officially diagnosed. We even had a friend's healthy mom get sick with a mysterious respiratory illness they couldn't figure out - she died within a week. This was all back before it really broke over here though so who knows.

Waiting on results. If this is some kind of side effect of having COVID, it sucks. A lot. I feel like I'm turning into Stephen Hawking.

https://www.reddit.com/r/okc/comments/hrqgx8/now_that_he_has_tested_positive_here_is_our_great/ He was in Walmart.

thelostogle
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According to one Ogle Mole, members of Stitt's cabinet / advisory council have also tested positive for Covid-19.

A restaurant in Tulsa has closed after he was there last week with no Mask.

This is bad this is very bad. You would think this would be a wake up call but it don't look that way. SMH

https://www.reddit.com/r/okc/comments/hrqgx8/now_that_he_has_tested_positive_here_is_our_great/ He was in Walmart.

thelostogle
@TheLostOgle
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According to one Ogle Mole, members of Stitt's cabinet / advisory council have also tested positive for Covid-19.

A restaurant in Tulsa has closed after he was there last week with no Mask.

This is bad this is very bad. You would think this would be a wake up call but it don't look that way. SMH

Along with meetings with his cabinet and being at Walmart this weekend he could have infected quite a few. He also (again) said that wearing a mask could have prevented him from getting it but he doesn't know and has no regrets. ....the mask stops you from giving it to others. Should have been wearing one at Walmart at the very least.

Nobody forget the massive funeral in Tulsa for the policeman. Thousands crowded into a megachurch, including the governor, without masks. That was six days ago!

When did he meet with Elon Musk? Wasn't that last week (without masks of course)?

There are pics of him side by side with the Lt. Governor on Monday without masks.

Doesn't he attend a megachurch in Jenks?

There is literally no telling how many people Stitt himself has infected with this virus.

And guess what, we are making national news again for something stupid. It's the way things are in Oklahoma.

I really hope Holt figures out that he needs to not only distance himself from the governor, but his party as well, and just lead. He can't even count on Bynum to make reasonable decisions. We need the mayor to take charge and if he does, he will come out looking good.

So why does Stittiot keep saying mask mandates are unenforceable? Aren't there dozens of states and municipalities (cities, villages, counties, parishes, whatever) in the USA that now *require* them? If so, how do they enforce them? Or do people/law enforcement just ignore them? He's an absolute buffoon if he is still toeing that particular line, especially since Norman, Stillwater, and soon OKC and maybe Tulsa have a mask mandate. And yes, I know that out in the country, the chances are way less, but all it takes is someone that's positive (like *him*) to stop at a restaurant (like Kai) on his way through a rural town/city/village and eat and talk without a mask and poof, the place and all the people in there at that time are possibly contaminated...

So why does Stittiot keep saying mask mandates are unenforceable? Aren't there dozens of states and municipalities (cities, villages, counties, parishes, whatever) in the USA that now *require* them? If so, how do they enforce them? Or do people/law enforcement just ignore them? He's an absolute buffoon if he is still toeing that particular line, especially since Norman, Stillwater, and soon OKC and maybe Tulsa have a mask mandate. And yes, I know that out in the country, the chances are way less, but all it takes is someone that's positive (like *him*) to stop at a restaurant (like Kai) on his way through a rural town/city/village and eat and talk without a mask and poof, the place and all the people in there at that time are possibly contaminated...The biggest point he seemed to make today was different areas having different levels of infection so a mask mandate would be unnecessary in some areas. OK. So make a statewide mask mandate with the stipulation that municipalities can have lesser requirements. Instead of the other way around.

The biggest point he seemed to make today was different areas having different levels of infection so a mask mandate would be unnecessary in some areas. OK. So make a statewide mask mandate with the stipulation that municipalities can have lesser requirements. Instead of the other way around.

Yes, there are multiple ways around the rural/urban differences, but he doesn't seem to grasp that (along with many other things that are common sense).

Yes, there are multiple ways around the rural/urban differences, but he doesn't seem to grasp that (along with many other things that are common sense).

It would be trivial to write a mask mandate that applied to counties with X population and over, for instance. Or counties with X number of cases, as Texas did. Plenty of laws and orders do that already. He's just using that as an excuse because he doesn't want to do it.

The biggest point he seemed to make today was different areas having different levels of infection so a mask mandate would be unnecessary in some areas. OK. So make a statewide mask mandate with the stipulation that municipalities can have lesser requirements. Instead of the other way around.

I was hoping stuff like that would have been part of the color coded county system. It seems to me you could tie restrictions to what the current color status of the county was.

I was hoping stuff like that would have been part of the color coded county system. It seems to me you could tie restrictions to what the current color status of the county was.

:iagree: :yeahthat: Super-simple to build that in to that project, (almost) can't believe they didn't do that at the start.

About time.

83 super rich people urge US to tax them more: ‘Immediately, substantially, permanently’ (https://www.alternet.org/2020/07/83-super-rich-people-urge-us-to-tax-them-more-immediately-substantially-permanently/)

The biggest point he seemed to make today was different areas having different levels of infection so a mask mandate would be unnecessary in some areas. OK. So make a statewide mask mandate with the stipulation that municipalities can have lesser requirements. Instead of the other way around.

I noticed Altus was the third city (after Norman and Stillwater and much more rural than both) to mandate masks after seeing cases more than double in the past two days. They were sitting at just 18 or so cases since March and bam. 128 as of today.

Impact of data centralization is already being felt. One of the main aggregate dashboards has lost access to ICU totals (https://twitter.com/rypan/status/1283287152676139009)


We do our nightly update of covidexitstrategy.org and data for ICU/beds is now unavailable from @CDCgov.

nytimes.com/2020/07/14/us/…

A critical indicator is missing. ��

hhs.gov/sites/default/…

With @HHSGov as the only source, they need to aggregate this data and make it public.

WE ARE SCREWED. Should be start a new forum called we are screwed. 77 new hospital cases. Record now of 638. It was 561 yesterday right. We start increasing 50 or more a day it's going to get bad real fast.

About time.

83 super rich people urge US to tax them more: ‘Immediately, substantially, permanently’ (https://www.alternet.org/2020/07/83-super-rich-people-urge-us-to-tax-them-more-immediately-substantially-permanently/) Heck yeah, tax em' till they are down on my level !!!!!!!

WE ARE SCREWED. Should be start a new forum called we are screwed. 77 new hospital cases. Record now of 638. It was 561 yesterday right. We start increasing 50 or more a day it's going to get bad real fast.

ICU only went up 3 so see we are fine. Sorry I panicked. We still in the low risk color coded map. Stitt said we were doing ok I just re-watched his press conference and all is well. Whew.

Here is an outline of the proposed mask ordinance.

Note that they pretty much exclude churches, which have already been identified as one of the most problematic settings. Also excluding schools and government buildings.

I can see Stoncipher's hand all over this. An attempt to proactively pass an ordinance while making some huge and odd exceptions.

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Masks would be defined as any face covering which covers both the nose and mouth. Here are some general CDC recommendations about face coverings.

The City Council may still make changes, but exceptions to the mask requirement as currently proposed would be:


Children under age 6, unless required by a school or daycare.
People working in an office who don’t have face-to-face interactions with the public.
Patrons of restaurants, bars and similar establishments while eating or drinking.
People in settings where it isn’t practical or feasible to wear a face covering, like receiving dental services, swimming or playing at a sprayground.
People engaged in sports (including for recreation) or cardio exercises.
People inside any federal, state or county building or facility
People inside a public or private school building or facility, unless required by the school.
People at a religious service or ceremony where social distancing is observed between groups of people from different households.


There’s a fine of up to $50 for a conviction on the first offense. The fine is up to $250 for a second offense and $500 for a third.

About time.

83 super rich people urge US to tax them more: ‘Immediately, substantially, permanently’ (https://www.alternet.org/2020/07/83-super-rich-people-urge-us-to-tax-them-more-immediately-substantially-permanently/)


What does taxing the uber rich have to do with Covid in okc?

Are the rich people who want to be taxed moving here b/c of the no mask requirement?

WE ARE SCREWED. Should be start a new forum called we are screwed. 77 new hospital cases. Record now of 638. It was 561 yesterday right. We start increasing 50 or more a day it's going to get bad real fast.

So +77 net hospitalizations today bring us to 638 currently.

That's a huge jump for one day and a record by a mile.


But Stitt's color-coded map says we're okay.

So +77 net hospitalizations today bring us to 638 current.

That's a huge jump for one day.


But Stitt's color-coded map says we're okay.

At the press conference today, the Commissioner of Health said we have around 6,000 beds around the state, so that means about 1 out of every 10 beds is a Covid patient. We still have lots of room.

We were informed by Southwest Integris today that they have reached capacity for “covid beds”.

Why are state, federal and county buildings exempt?

Our office is on the second floor of a three story building. We have no interaction with the public so need not to wear masks under the proposed guidelines. The downstairs office does have public trade coming into their office. Since the building's HVAC system services the entire building, it would seems that everyone in the building should be required to wear masks.



STAY SAFE WEAR MASKS

At the press conference today, the Commissioner of Health said we have around 6,000 beds around the state, so that means about 1 out of every 10 beds is a Covid patient. We still have lots of room.

1) That is rapidly changing (went up 14% in just one day - today); and 2) those beds do not necessarily match up where people are sick.

... wearing a mask could have prevented him from getting it but he doesn't know and has no regrets. ....the mask stops you from giving it to others...

Wearing a mask may do more than that:

Wearing a mask doesn't just protect others from COVID, it protects you from infection, perhaps serious illness, too (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/07/15/wearing-mask-may-offer-protection-against-catching-severe-covid-19/5431323002/)

Obviously, we can't do real controlled studies where we're exposing one group of mask wearers to a bunch of virus and another group of mask wearers to fabreeze, but there's a lot of anecdotal examples that really seem to show masks help.


On May 12, a hair stylist at a Springfield Great Clips salon developed respiratory symptoms, but kept working for eight days until a COVID-19 test came back positive.

Another stylist started getting sick three days later and worked for another seven days before testing positive and staying home. Both colleagues wore masks only when customers were present.

Six close contacts of the first stylist ended up coming down with COVID-19. But in the salon, where 98% of clients wore masks, things played out differently. Of the 67 clients exposed to one or both of the stylists and tested for COVID-19, not one tested positive.


Cruise ships in some ways are like a natural experiment," Beyrer said. "Things were done differently on different ships and the outcomes were different.

The first was the Diamond Princess, where 18% of those who got infected with COVID-19 were asymptomatic. Very few passengers wore masks.

A later infection hit the another cruise ship, the Shackleton. When the first case appeared, all passengers were issued surgical masks and all staff wore N-95 masks. While 58% of passengers and crew ended up becoming infected with COVID-19, a full 81% of them were asymptomatic.


Face masks could be key to getting back to as normal as possible before a vaccine is available. It will still require social distancing and handwashing, but masking could allow things to open up, said the CDC's Brooks.

"What weÂ’re saying is, if everybody will adopt cloth face coverings, we can begin socializing again without shutting down the economy," he said.

Ultimately, though, it's weird to me that the discussion is focused on whether there should be mandates, or whether Stitt or Holt are responsible for infections (or even deaths) because of their unwillingness to issue mandates because of a lack of political will or ability to issue mandates.

Either one of them, or both, could increase the use of masks by emphasizing the effectiveness of universal mask wearing and do this without issuing a mandate and most likely achieve BOTH an increase in the use of masks and a decrease in hospitalizations, and (bonus for the donors) avoid a stop and start economy.

Why are state, federal and county buildings exempt?

An issue is usually that a city cannot tell a higher level of government what to do, so OKC can’t regulate what people in their buildings do.

Our latest testing update is that for non-hospitalized patients, we are looking at 8-10 days for test results to come back.

Here is an outline of the proposed mask ordinance.

Note that they pretty much exclude churches, which have already been identified as one of the most problematic settings. Also excluding schools and government buildings.

I can see Stoncipher's hand all over this. An attempt to proactively pass an ordinance while making some huge and odd exceptions.

***************

Masks would be defined as any face covering which covers both the nose and mouth. Here are some general CDC recommendations about face coverings.

The City Council may still make changes, but exceptions to the mask requirement as currently proposed would be:


Children under age 6, unless required by a school or daycare.
People working in an office who don’t have face-to-face interactions with the public.
Patrons of restaurants, bars and similar establishments while eating or drinking.
People in settings where it isn’t practical or feasible to wear a face covering, like receiving dental services, swimming or playing at a sprayground.
People engaged in sports (including for recreation) or cardio exercises.
People inside any federal, state or county building or facility
People inside a public or private school building or facility, unless required by the school.
People at a religious service or ceremony where social distancing is observed between groups of people from different households.


There’s a fine of up to $50 for a conviction on the first offense. The fine is up to $250 for a second offense and $500 for a third.

I agree that the limits are kind've ridiculous, but it also ensures that this thing doesn't get immediately held up in court through First Amendment suits or concerns about different levels of government. I also wouldn't be surprised if Stonecipher didn't run this past other city members and had to add these exceptions to ensure he had the votes. Never hold a vote where you don't know the outcome ahead of time.

^

The discussion in the meeting should be interesting.

And I wouldn't make that assumption about Stonecipher. He's introduced some very controversial ordinances without talking to several of the council members.

About time.

83 super rich people urge US to tax them more: ‘Immediately, substantially, permanently’ (https://www.alternet.org/2020/07/83-super-rich-people-urge-us-to-tax-them-more-immediately-substantially-permanently/)

Ahhh, this is a classic Travellers Move.
Always looking for a rich guy bailout.
Never fails!

^

The discussion in the meeting should be interesting.

And I wouldn't make that assumption about Stonecipher. He's introduced some very controversial ordinances without talking to several of the council members.

I yield to your expertise, should be interesting viewing. I hope even this watered down ordinance gets passed. Something is better than nothing.

FYI:

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/hospitals071520a.jpg

https://oklahoman.com/article/5666881/coronavirus-testing-results-slowing-down-as-some-wait-weeks-for-answers

Our latest testing update is that for non-hospitalized patients, we are looking at 8-10 days for test results to come back.

Since it takes some time for symptoms to manifest before most people will go get tested, this means we are yet to see the full spike after the 4th of July weekend.

What does taxing the uber rich have to do with Covid in okc?

Are the rich people who want to be taxed moving here b/c of the no mask requirement?

Should've probably been in the Economic Impact thread, it is COVID-19 related, though.

Ahhh, this is a classic Travellers Move.
Always looking for a rich guy bailout.
Never fails!

Um, no, income inequality is at historic highs, I've been talking about how unsustainable it is for *years*, as have been other people, and you can now see how badly it has hurt the US during this fiasco. And why am *I* "looking for a rich guy bailout"? Those words in quotes are *their* words, not mine. Did you even read the article? :doh::doh::doh:

^

The discussion in the meeting should be interesting.

And I wouldn't make that assumption about Stonecipher. He's introduced some very controversial ordinances without talking to several of the council members.

Also the First Christian Church thing.

Our latest testing update is that for non-hospitalized patients, we are looking at 8-10 days for test results to come back.

Apologies if you've said before, but what industry are you in? You seem to be in charge of a large amount of people and have good info, just curious...

Apologies if you've said before, but what industry are you in? You seem to be in charge of a large amount of people and have good info, just curious...

I’m an RN working as an infectious disease coordinator. I work at a large non-medical institution, and I am involved with a public heath agency.

I know that’s fairly vague, but I’m trying to share general information without coming across as speaking for my agencies. “All thoughts and opinions are mine and do not represent X and Y” basically. Any guesses for specifics will neither be confirmed or denied!

Um, no, income inequality is at historic highs, I've been talking about how unsustainable it is for *years*, as have been other people, and you can now see how badly it has hurt the US during this fiasco. And why am *I* "looking for a rich guy bailout"? Those words in quotes are *their* words, not mine. Did you even read the article? :doh::doh::doh:

I sure did. Those rich guys are free to write additional checks to the Treasury anytime they please.

But I suppose quietly writing a check is less fun than Virtue Signaling in a dramatic letter to Congress.

So +77 net hospitalizations today bring us to 638 currently.

That's a huge jump for one day and a record by a mile.


But Stitt's color-coded map says we're okay.

Plus 2,000 cases in 2 days. Even only at 10% that's going to be another 200 in the hospital and that is just from the last two days.

I’m an RN working as an infectious disease coordinator. I work at a large non-medical institution, and I am involved with a public heath agency.

I know that’s fairly vague, but I’m trying to share general information without coming across as speaking for my agencies. “All thoughts and opinions are mine and do not represent X and Y” basically. Any guesses for specifics will neither be confirmed or denied!

Gotcha, thanks, and yep, I understand, I don't post my employer freely either...

I sure did. Those rich guys are free to write additional checks to the Treasury anytime they please.

But I suppose quietly writing a check is less fun than Virtue Signaling in a dramatic letter to Congress.

So how exactly would writing a check to the Treasury Dept. work? I'm serious, how exactly would a rich person just give some money to the US Gov't (possibly to be used for a specific purpose)? The tax code will most likely never be changed to tax them more, so yeah, it's not going to amount to anything, but it may start a conversation or enable some changes eventually......

So how exactly would writing a check to the Treasury Dept. work? I'm serious, how exactly would a rich person just give some money to the US Gov't (possibly to be used for a specific purpose)? The tax code will most likely never be changed to tax them more, so yeah, it's not going to amount to anything, but it may start a conversation or enable some changes eventually......

The drafters of the letter employ some of the finest Accountants and Tax Attorneys in the country — professionals who know their way around the Code. Surely if they are smart enough to find their clients millions in deductions, they could figure out ways for them to overpay. It wouldn’t be hard.

Ouch I looked at the national total of cases, over 71,000 new record high again today.

The Georgia governor just literally overruled any local municality's ability to pass their own mask ordinances. Both Savannah and Atlanta had passed mask ordinances. Unbelievable. Hopefully Gov. Covidiot doesn't try something like that.

By the way, Tulsa passed its mask ordinance 7-2.

Ya those +77 hospitalizations... we will see an mask mandate in two weeks at this point. Too late but Stitt will give in. The growth is going to get worse

are mask required in casinos?

i guess Remington Park is inside the city limits correct?

But what about like Winstarr?

Ya those +77 hospitalizations... we will see an mask mandate in two weeks at this point. Too late but Stitt will give in. The growth is going to get worse

People still won't wear them. Just watch the news. Tonight on news 9 so many people won't wear one. Only thing that will work is a shut down. We will get there look at the numbers. California is there Texas is almost there.

People still won't wear them. Just watch the news. Tonight on news 9 so many people won't wear one. Only thing that will work is a shut down. We will get there look at the numbers. California is there Texas is almost there.

Went to Norman, to shop at box stores and to do something. Everyone was wearing a mask in Target, Metro Shoes, Natural Grocer, and the Spirit Shop. It wasn’t that difficult. Really, only the employees that have to be masked for their whole shift, they should get kudos, everyone else, 25 minutes of little effort, to reduce the spread.

are mask required in casinos?

i guess Remington Park is inside the city limits correct?

But what about like Winstarr?

I think an OKC mask order would apply to Remington because it's technically operated by a private company, Global Gaming, that is owned by a tribe, and is regulated by the state.

WinStar, Riverwind, Newcastle, etc. are all operated directly by the Chickasaw tribe and have been under a mandatory mask order from Governor Anoatubby since they reopened.

I am not sure about the status of other tribes, or whether a theoretical mask mandate issued by Governor Stitt could apply to the tribes or not. Especially in light of the recent SCOTUS decision. That's a question for a good lawyer, for sure... Hopefully any tribes that are not currently mandating masks would voluntarily go along with a state order.

are mask required in casinos?

i guess Remington Park is inside the city limits correct?

But what about like Winstarr?

Masks are required at all Choctaw Casino locations.