This is a really good podcast with disinformation expert Renee DiResta on how anti-vaxxers are sowing coordinated disinformation: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/your-undivided-attention/id1460030305?i=1000473857063

Gov. Stitt has made a big deal out of the fact that Oklahoma has a relatively low number of cases per capita compared to other states.

That is rapidly changing.

Yesterday, we had the 11th most per capita positive new cases out of the 50 states:

1 Arizona 587
2 Louisiana 478
3 South Carolina 431
4 Florida 428
5 Texas 381
6 Nevada 358
7 Alabama 349
8 Georgia 320
9 Mississippi 290
10 Arkansas 263
11 Oklahoma 251
12 California 242
13 Tennessee 222
14 North Carolina 183
15 Idaho 177
16 Wisconsin 166
17 Nebraska 164
18 Utah 140
19 Kentucky 128
20 Maryland 121

Whenever I come to this thread it makes me so Happy. :Smiley171

Lost Ogle tweeted something interesting yesterday at 11.

Stitt scheduled a last-minute Covid-19 press conference for 10:15AM today.

Well that's not ominous.

Also, Walmart will now require facemasks in all stores nationwide, including Sam's Club

https://www.yahoo.com/news/walmart-sams-club-require-masks-144124501.html

Does anyone know if you can download past data from that looker-dashboards page. I know they have daily reports, but I'm a little bit behind on some of the data and would like to find past zip code numbers.

Stitt scheduled a last-minute Covid-19 press conference for 10:15AM today.

Bit odd too. It is virtual and wasn't announced on his facebook page.

Where can I watch this press conference?

KOCO's website is streaming it (hasn't started yet).

Bottom line is that's it out of control and people still just don't care. My friend just messenger me that works at a the Braums I used to work at. She is scared to death. She said once again today the lobby was completely full during lunch. Over half have no mask when ordering food at the counter. Why can't people just be smart. Eat in your car, Find a shade tree, take it back to work. Doesn't even have to be wearing a mask just little things like this would help.


It is not something that I agree with, but I seen more people relax after the George Floyd protests. When people heard government officials say it was okay to protest and yell chants, they took it to mean that ordering food at Braums without a mask is acceptable. I don't agree, but it is an opinion I have heard.

In the end it is about free people making free choices. If a business requires a mask then a person has a choice if he wants to do transact with that business. The Walmart ban will be an interesting story to watch.

In the end it is about free people making free choices. If a business requires a mask then a person has a choice if he wants to do transact with that business. The Walmart ban will be an interesting story to watch.

No, in the end this is a collective action problem where we all have to make the same choice to produce the best outcome. Shrugging your shoulders and saying "well it's a free country" profoundly misstates the issue and displays a lack of understanding about what rights we actually have. Freedom isn't absolute, especially when it comes to a public health emergency.

I think Stitt recognizes that the Walmart Decision gives him the cover—politically speaking—to move for mandatory masks in all private and public buildings.

No, in the end this is a collective action problem where we all have to make the same choice to produce the best outcome. Shrugging your shoulders and saying "well it's a free country" profoundly misstates the issue and displays a lack of understanding about what rights we actually have. Freedom isn't absolute, especially when it comes to a public health emergency.

The collectivist approach may be the right answer to this problem, but I still hold the belief that is the wrong solution overall because of the enforcement costs. Let's not have this debate in this thread.

I think Stitt recognizes that the Walmart Decision gives him the cover—politically speaking—to move for mandatory masks in all private and public buildings.

Not the government's role. This is a good slide show on the governor's presentation.

Holt calling a special city council meeting on Friday at 1PM to vote on mandatory maks requirement for all indoor spaces in OKC.

Stonecipher is sponsoring the ordinance, which is a very good indication they have the necessary votes.

Looks like we broke the +1000 mark.

+1075 Cases, 4 Deaths

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Duplicate of other posts.

Details which probably tell us the mandate will pass with no problems, thread starting here: https://twitter.com/davidfholt/status/1283423222659198979


Councilman Mark Stonecipher is introducing an ordinance to require masks be worn in indoor public places (with common sense exceptions).

I wonder what the "common sense exceptions" will be.

Holt tweet:


Of the top 50 largest American cities, 46 have a requirement to wear masks in indoor public places.

(The four exceptions are Oklahoma City, Tulsa, Colorado Springs and Omaha.)

Stitt is COVID positive

Stitt has COVID.

Stitt is COVID positive

Great minds think alike. We should grab a beer when this is all over.

Wow.

No, in the end this is a collective action problem where we all have to make the same choice to produce the best outcome. Shrugging your shoulders and saying "well it's a free country" profoundly misstates the issue and displays a lack of understanding about what rights we actually have. Freedom isn't absolute, especially when it comes to a public health emergency.

Yes, this x1000! Is it up to personal responsibility to decide to stop at stop signs or stoplights? Obey *any* traffic laws? Allowable to blow cigarette smoke in anybody's face anywhere? Drive drunk? Ad nauseum.... We're all *supposed* to be in this together as a society, but massive numbers of ill-informed and uneducated idiots are not making that possible.

First governor to test positive! Oklahoma first in the nation!

KARMA. What goes around comes around.

I appreciated the numbers they mentioned about total hospital beds - about 5k beds total in the state with a 1k surge capacity. Good thing to keep in mind as we see the rise in hospitalizations.

Holt calling a special city council meeting on Friday at 1PM to vote on mandatory maks requirement for all indoor spaces in OKC.

Stonecipher is sponsoring the ordinance, which is a very good indication they have the necessary votes.

About ****ing time!!!!!! Surprised it's Stonecipher sponsoring it, though. Really, really sad it came to Stittiot having it to get some movement on what should've been done weeks, if not months ago, but not surprised about that.

edit: nm, didn't see Pete's post.

I appreciated the numbers they mentioned about total hospital beds - about 5k beds total in the state with a 1k surge capacity. Good thing to keep in mind as we see the rise in hospitalizations.

Does that jibe with what Edmond Hausfrau is saying and the numbers that show there are some hospitals with no beds available? And their estimate of something along the lines of 7000 positives for 2 weeks in a row (paraphrasing, not sure if exact, but close, I think) is what would be needed to overwhelm the hospitals seems way too large.

First governor to test positive! Oklahoma first in the nation!

He's succeeded in making OK a top ten state in at least one category...

I appreciated the numbers they mentioned about total hospital beds - about 5k beds total in the state with a 1k surge capacity. Good thing to keep in mind as we see the rise in hospitalizations.

Lance Fry mentioned we need 7200 cases per day for two weeks until we hit capacity.

I believe Frye said 1,075 new cases today, although that number hasn't been officially released yet through the health department.

Lance Fry mentioned we need 7200 cases per day for two weeks until we hit capacity.

At current hospitalization rates, which are not a constant.

First governor to test positive! Oklahoma first in the nation!

We're number 1!!! Woohoo!!!

Everything is fine. We could be over 1,000 cases a day for 14 days and everything is fine. Oklahoma is doing better than most states. OMG I think the virus is affecting his brain.

I am happy to see Walmart and Sams Club requiring masks as of July 20th.

KARMA. What goes around comes around.

Lol I mean I guess. It seems like he has symptoms consistent with a mild flu. It probably would be better for those who want more restrictions going forward if he actually felt the burn a little (*To be clear, I'm obviously not advocating for that in anyway and hope he makes a quick recovery*). If he blasts through this after being mildly sick for 2 or 3 days, what's that going to do to the mentalities of Oklahomans who already aren't taking this very seriously.

I wonder if now the other cities around Okc will now consider a mandatory mask ordinance?

I wonder if he took one of those cognitive tests that seem to be in vogue now.

So based off of that press conference, it seems at a state level we are going to basically wait around until we hit a daily case count of 7,000+? This is insanity.

So based off of that press conference, it seems at a state level we are going to basically wait around until we hit a daily case count of 7,000+? This is insanity.

It is called the "Florida Method"

Just keep raising the bar.

I wonder if now the other cities around Okc will now consider a mandatory mask ordinance?

Norman has been out in front of this already. Holt and company had cover then.

Norman has been out in front of this already. Holt and company had cover then.

Mayor Holt just tweeted that they're voting on a mask mandate this Friday.

Lol I mean I guess. It seems like he has symptoms consistent with a mild flu. It probably would be better for those who want more restrictions going forward if he actually felt the burn a little (*To be clear, I'm obviously not advocating for that in anyway and hope he makes a quick recovery*). If he blasts through this after being mildly sick for 2 or 3 days, what's that going to do to the mentalities of Oklahomans' who already aren't taking this very seriously.

I think his house has a RATT problem.

I wonder if he took one of those cognitive tests that seem to be in vogue now.

It wouldn't help matters. Trump said doctors were astounded by how well he did on his. Yet, yesterday he said Obama and Biden stopped the tests.

On camera, Stitt didn't look real well.

1,075 new positive cases confirmed.

4 additional deaths.

My disgust toward Stitt has reached new heights today. Not only is he refusing to even consider a mask mandate, but he says he has "no regrets" about foolishly going around to various places without one. Who knows how many of his own citizens he's exposed, nevermind the example it sets. I have friends texting me from around the country telling me what an embarrassment our governor is.

Way to care about your own citizens, Governor.

And, relatedly, while hospital capacity is obviously important and we don't want to overwhelm the system, why is this the only metric that matters? Are we only seeking to prevent any additional deaths that would result from hospitals being over capacity? Are we not even trying to prevent deaths from this disease in general???

It wouldn't help matters. Trump said doctors were astounded by how well he did on his. Yet, yesterday he said Obama and Biden stopped the tests.

On camera, Stitt didn't look real well.

Here's the test Trump took - it could've been "aced" by a 5 year old (it's a PDF):

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwj7tN-B08_qAhXVG80KHaWoBhoQFjAAegQIBBAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.parkinsons.va.gov%2Fresource s%2FMOCA-Test-English.pdf&usg=AOvVaw3-nfnLe1BIyMU1Ntq3iD4I

And here's a screenshot of it:

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And, relatedly, while hospital capacity is obviously important and we don't want to overwhelm the system, why is this the only metric that matters? Are we only seeking to prevent any additional deaths that would result from hospitals being over capacity? Are we not even trying to prevent deaths from this disease in general???

Because it's just about the only one they can still spin as cover for a parade of bad decisions and leadership.

If they are talking about 1 later this year, how is that normal course of determining the efficacy of a vaccine?? Don't most take years to develop, not months? Normal vaccines take waaaayyyyy longer than the vaccines for this virus are looking like. Combining steps scares me, a bit. Not off of science, but off of 1 vaccine.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/30/opinion/coronavirus-covid-vaccine.html

Good article, seems to confirm there won't be a vaccine this year. Also, this pretty much says the same thing:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/ken-frazier-merck-coronavirus-vaccine_n_5f0e9d6cc5b6df6cc0b32fcc

At current hospitalization rates, which are not a constant.
Absolutely.
All you need is one Code Black for a natural or manmade disaster (those NEVER occur in Oklahoma), one Hep A outbreak at an area restaurant, one food contaminant recall, or early influenza or RSV season, and things look a bit different.
Covid 19 does not exist in a vacuum, all other diseases, pathogens, and human error are still out there too.

We're number 1!!! Woohoo!!!

I say this with no malicious intent, I hope he gets a little sick... Sick enough to actually see how much of a b**** this virus actually is. If he shows no symptoms, he can say, "See! It's not that big of a deal!"

Holt just tweeted he plans to vote for the mask ordinance on Friday so you can bet the mortgage it will pass.

As I've stated before, you can be sure he already knows how the rest of the council will vote.

Pretty telling study: folks with lower cognitive ability are less likely to follow masking/social distancing guidelines

https://www.psypost.org/2020/07/study-lower-cognitive-ability-linked-to-non-compliance-with-social-distancing-guidelines-during-the-coronavirus-outbreak-57293

Pretty telling study: folks with lower cognitive ability are less likely to follow masking/social distancing guidelines

https://www.psypost.org/2020/07/study-lower-cognitive-ability-linked-to-non-compliance-with-social-distancing-guidelines-during-the-coronavirus-outbreak-57293

Yep, not surprising (and yes, I know the cons of actual IQ tests).

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Pretty telling study: folks with lower cognitive ability are less likely to follow masking/social distancing guidelines

https://www.psypost.org/2020/07/study-lower-cognitive-ability-linked-to-non-compliance-with-social-distancing-guidelines-during-the-coronavirus-outbreak-57293

The actual research article is talking about a small component of our cognitive processes, which is working memory.
It's such an ongoing issue with media outlets writing headlines to grab views, especially in the sciences.
Looking at the supplemental data for the study, it looks like education level, SES all were the same.
Stupidity has nothing to do with not wearing masks, anymore so than it does with denying climate change.
Science literacy is poor in the US and I am embarrassed by our test scores, but that's not what is going on this particular study.

Holt just tweeted he plans to vote for the mask ordinance on Friday so you can bet the mortgage it will pass.

As I've stated before, you can be sure he already knows how the rest of the council will vote.

Why wait until Friday.. The genius' we elect.....



SAVE OTHERS WEAR MASKS