He's letting them expire.

On 7/17, I believe, hence the emergency council meeting on 7/16.

Holt issued all types of unilateral edicts regarding the Covid-19 situation (complete shutdown and reopening of businesses, curfews) but is now passing the buck to City Council on the mask issue claiming he is only "1 vote of 9". Certainly his prerogative but a purely political move to deflect heat regardless of what is decided.

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/holt071020a.jpg

He's waiting six more days before any potential action? Ridiculous and embarrassing.

He's waiting six more days before any potential action? Ridiculous and embarrassing.

More than 6.

The agenda for next Thursday's meeting says at the top: NO ACTIONS WILL BE TAKEN

More than 6.

The agenda for next Thursday's meeting says at the top: NO ACTIONS WILL BE TAKEN

Am I the only one that watch Stitt yesterday. Everything is fine. We are code Yellow meaning a low risk. We are like only 34 out of 50 states. No need to worry. What a piece of crap. Sorry probably should be in the Political board but I'm tired of our leaders not stepping up admitting they were wrong and doing something to correct it. We were locked down in April and the numbers were not nearly as bad as they are now.

Am I the only one that watch Stitt yesterday. Everything is fine. We are code Yellow meaning a low risk. We are like only 34 out of 50 states. No need to worry. What a piece of crap. Sorry probably should be in the Political board but I'm tired of our leaders not stepping up admitting they were wrong and doing something to correct it. We were locked down in April and the numbers were not nearly as bad as they are now.If your going to make a point have correct data. Hospitalizations, the thing that we were told was the determining factor were higher in early April than now. Deaths are a lot lower now. Only new cases are higher. Just check the epidemiology reports. I agree that we need to do something serious to slow this crap down but using inaccurate data doesn’t help the case.

Holt issued all types of unilateral edicts regarding the Covid-19 situation (complete shutdown and reopening of businesses, curfews) but is now passing the buck to City Council on the mask issue claiming he is only "1 vote of 9". Certainly his prerogative but a purely political move to deflect heat regardless of what is decided.

I've heard that he is hesitant to make decisions that might be controversial or unpopular because he has to worry about being re-elected. He wants the council to help shoulder the responsibility/blame.

I've heard that he is hesitant to make decisions that might be controversial or unpopular because he has to worry about being re-elected. He wants the council to help shoulder the responsibility/blame. I’m glad I’m not an elected official. I probably wouldn’t last long. I believe in doing what’s needed to fix problem no matter who doesn’t like it. I guess I’m lucky that I’ve always had positions where that was considered a good quality by my superiors. Except for one management position where I ended up being expected to be a clone of the owner. I wasn’t there long.

If your going to make a point have correct data. Hospitalizations, the thing that we were told was the determining factor were higher in early April than now. Deaths are a lot lower now. Only new cases are higher. Just check the epidemiology reports. I agree that we need to do something serious to slow this crap down but using inaccurate data doesn’t help the case.

First you get it, then you go to the hospital, then you die.

While cases are up, hospitalizations and deaths have been lagging. It would seem that the cause of this is that on average it is the under 35 crowd that first sprung from the lockdowns. Us old folk were glad just to go to the hardware store while they assembled at bars and restaurants. Consequently, the average age of Covid patients has dropped. I could not find stats for Oklahoma, but the median age of new COVID-19 cases in Florida fell from 65 in March to 35 in June. Younger patients often have milder cases, hence the drop in hospitalizations and deaths. Unfortunately, the spread of the disease remains unabated and it is likely that the younger generations have been feeling decent while infected and passed the infection on to their parents...


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First you get it, then you go to the hospital, then you die.

While cases are up, hospitalizations and deaths have been lagging. It would seem that the cause of this is that on average it is the under 35 crowd that first sprung from the lockdowns. Us old folk were glad just to go to the hardware store while they assembled at bars and restaurants. Consequently, the average age of Covid patients has dropped. I could not find stats for Oklahoma, but the median age of new COVID-19 cases in Florida fell from 65 in March to 35 in June. Younger patients often have milder cases, hence the drop in hospitalizations and deaths. Unfortunately, the spread of the disease remains unabated and it is likely that the younger generations have been feeling decent while infected and passed the infection on to their parents...


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My reply was very fitting to what I was replying to. There is a very valid point to be made for new case numbers being horrible, equating to spread, but to say ‘“numbers” are worse than early April is just not accurate.

More than 6.

The agenda for next Thursday's meeting says at the top: NO ACTIONS WILL BE TAKEN

As David said, ridiculous and embarrassing, but I will also add - deadly. Why are they holding an "emergency" meeting, then? And why did we elect new, progressive, forward-thinking members if it's going to be "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss"? If this is too political, move it to the political thread, please.

As David said, ridiculous and embarrassing, but I will also add - deadly. Why are they holding an "emergency" meeting, then? And why did we elect new, progressive, forward-thinking members if it's going to be "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss"? If this is too political, move it to the political thread, please.At the risk of making light of a serious comment. That’s an excellent song.

At the risk of making light of a serious comment. That’s an excellent song.

Yes, it is, but sadly we *are* getting fooled again and again and again and again. The funky organ is my favorite part...

If your going to make a point have correct data. Hospitalizations, the thing that we were told was the determining factor were higher in early April than now. Deaths are a lot lower now. Only new cases are higher. Just check the epidemiology reports. I agree that we need to do something serious to slow this crap down but using inaccurate data doesn’t help the case.

Hate to burst your bubble but 499 in the hospital is now 3rd highest total we ever have had. Half are in the ICU. Add recorded number of cases the numbers are going to keep going up. We will soon have more in the hospital then any other time before. Deaths are slowing rising too. We are past the mask stage we need to be back down to phase 1

As Colorado's numbers are now inching up, the Governor of Colorado chastised those who refuse to wear masks, yesterday, by insisting "Just wear a damn mask!" I loved it!

I've heard that he is hesitant to make decisions that might be controversial or unpopular because he has to worry about being re-elected. He wants the council to help shoulder the responsibility/blame.

I'm no politician either, but shouldn't there be some cover with " I rely on my advisors. I'm a mayor, not a military general, not a scientist. When a situation arises in those arenas, I confer with those experts, and as a leader, it's my job to disseminate that information and follow the guidance of the experts in the field."
Or something close to that.

^^^^^

Should just be common sense .

If your going to make a point have correct data. Hospitalizations, the thing that we were told was the determining factor were higher in early April than now. Deaths are a lot lower now. Only new cases are higher. Just check the epidemiology reports. I agree that we need to do something serious to slow this crap down but using inaccurate data doesn’t help the case.

Hospitalizations have now surpassed early April.

I've heard that he is hesitant to make decisions that might be controversial or unpopular because he has to worry about being re-elected. He wants the council to help shoulder the responsibility/blame.

If so that is lame. He won with like 70% of the vote. He will be reelected in a walk (unless he screws up this Covid thing very badly). If he came out for the masks he would have the same irrational tantrum-throwers yelling who already hate him and think he's a lib. I see no downside unless Stitt and the GOP have literally threatened him.

Hate to burst your bubble but 499 in the hospital is now 3rd highest total we ever have had. Half are in the ICU. Add recorded number of cases the numbers are going to keep going up. We will soon have more in the hospital then any other time before. Deaths are slowing rising too. We are past the mask stage we need to be back down to phase 1OK. I think my always trying to stay optimistic took me too far that way. Hospitalizations are not good either. You have my apologies.

Which councilors will vote for masks? I’m going to say Greiner will not, but I think it is possible we could see the rest vote “aye.” Maybe I am being too optimistic.

Stitt has been trumpeting the fact that Oklahoma's cases per capita is relatively low; although he said we have the 9th few cases using that metric and my calculations show 13th.

However, our cases per capita are growing rapidly and we are now consistently in the Top 20 states in that category; here are the numbers for yesterday:

1 Arizona 580
2 Louisiana 568
3 Florida 532
4 Georgia 422
5 Texas 347
6 Mississippi 346
7 South Carolina 336
8 Nevada 326
9 Iowa 293
10 Tennessee 286
11 Kansas 285
12 Idaho 280
13 Alabama 272
14 Utah 270
15 Arkansas 249
16 California 222
17 North Carolina 174
18 Oklahoma 151
19 Wisconsin 145
20 New Mexico 142

My reply was very fitting to what I was replying to. There is a very valid point to be made for new case numbers being horrible, equating to spread, but to say ‘“numbers” are worse than early April is just not accurate.

Per the statistics available from the Oklahoma State Department of Health there were 579 cases for the week ended 4/29/2020 and 3,957 cases for the week end 7/9/2020. The April numbers stated that 95% of deaths and 50% of the cases were attributable to those over the age of 50. Conversely, in July 96% of the deaths were from people aged 50 and above while only 33% of the cases were from that age group.

There has been a 683% increase in the number of cases from April to July, which certainly suggest that numbers are currently worse than in April. Yes, deaths are temporarily down, but the virus rages on and has lasting effects on some. To say numbers are worse than in April appears to be entirely accurate. As the age of infections creep up so will deaths, and hospitalizations. Deaths are not the number to focus on as Covid-19 doesn't just kill, it also maims some with lasting debilitation.




Since COVID-19 was only discovered a few months ago, its long-term effects are unknown, and while researchers are trying to look at parallels with two other coronaviruses, SARS and MERS-CoV, it will take time to have a full picture of the longer-term consequences of infection with COVID-19.

COVID-19 can cause a range of symptoms of wildly varying severity in people. Some might be asymptomatic or have mild symptoms, while others are sick enough to need hospitalisation, supplementary oxygen and the use of a ventilator. Broadly, as a respiratory virus, COVID-19 causes breathlessness, fatigue and muscle ache. As the pandemic has evolved and documented clinical case histories have accumulated, a new symptom began to emerge – the partial or total loss of the sense of taste and smell. This in itself is not unusual for a respiratory viral infection, but what was unique is that people had this symptom without any of the other usual symptoms of infection.

It’s now clear that the coronavirus doesn’t just attack the respiratory system, and some people have reported gut issues and problems with their kidneys. Severe COVID-19 patients have experienced what’s called a ‘cytokine storm’ in which the body’s immune system goes into a potentially fatal overdrive and leads to multi-organ failure. This has also been seen with influenza, SARS and MERS-CoV.

LONG-LASTING HEALTH EFFECTS OF SARS
Severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS), a coronavirus that emerged in 2003, causes very similar symptoms to COVID-19. As with COVID-19, people over 60 years are at highest risk of severe symptoms.

A study of the long-term effects of SARS undertaken in Hong Kong showed that two years after they had the disease, one in two SARS survivors had much poorer exercise capacity and health status than those who had never had the disease. Only 78% of SARS patients were able to return to full‐time work 1 year after infection.

Another study, also done in Hong Kong, revealed that 40% of people recovering from SARS still had chronic fatigue symptoms 3.5 years after being diagnosed. Viral infections such as SARS and Epstein-Barr virus are known to trigger chronic fatigue syndrome that can last for months or years.

THE LONG-TERM OUTLOOK FOR COVID-19
A striking feature of COVID-19 is how long the symptoms can last. Early in the pandemic, initial medical advice on recovery times for mild COVID-19 had suggested 1-2 weeks. However, many people have seen symptoms last for 8 to 10 weeks or longer, and symptoms can seem to go away only to come racing back. A research group at King’s College London, UK, developed a COVID-19 tracker app for people to record their symptoms daily, and estimated 200,000 have been reporting symptoms for the entire six weeks since the tracker was launched.

Many people had a pattern of symptoms, where their symptoms were heightened initially, nearly disappeared, then returned again with ferocity, along with a very wide range of symptoms.

A key question is what is causing the recurring symptoms – i.e. whether it is reactivation of a persistent infection, reinfection (which seems unlikely based on current data), or whether the person has become infected with another virus or even bacteria as their immune system is still recovering.

Given the multi-organ effect of COVID-19 on the body, survivors may have a variety of long-term effects on their organs, including what some doctors are calling ‘post-COVID lung disease’. Looking at the organs that are affected during infection could give an idea of where the long-term effects on the body are likely to manifest.

As we are still in the throes of the pandemic, and at a relatively early stage of a new disease, it is too early to tell what COVID-19 survivors are likely to experience in a year’s time.

Some researchers are concerned, however, that just as with SARS, many people with the new coronavirus will go on to develop post-viral chronic fatigue syndrome.

The uncertainty of the future for COVID-19 survivors is why several long-term cohort studies (that study genetic and environmental factors in large groups over a period of time) have been repurposed to study the physical, mental and socio-economic consequences of the pandemic.

https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/long-term-health-effects-covid-19


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Per the statistics available from the Oklahoma State Department of Health there were 579 cases for the week ended 4/29/2020 and 3,957 cases for the week end 7/9/2020. The April numbers stated that 95% of deaths and 50% of the cases were attributable to those over the age of 50. Conversely, in July 96% of the deaths were from people aged 50 and above while only 33% of the cases were from that age group.

There has been a 683% increase in the number of cases from April to July, which certainly suggest that numbers are currently worse than in April. Yes, deaths are temporarily down, but the virus rages on and has lasting effects on some. To say numbers are worse than in April appears to be entirely accurate. As the age of infections creep up so will deaths, and hospitalizations. Deaths are not the number to focus on as Covid-19 doesn't just kill, it also maims some with lasting debilitation.




Since COVID-19 was only discovered a few months ago, its long-term effects are unknown, and while researchers are trying to look at parallels with two other coronaviruses, SARS and MERS-CoV, it will take time to have a full picture of the longer-term consequences of infection with COVID-19.

COVID-19 can cause a range of symptoms of wildly varying severity in people. Some might be asymptomatic or have mild symptoms, while others are sick enough to need hospitalisation, supplementary oxygen and the use of a ventilator. Broadly, as a respiratory virus, COVID-19 causes breathlessness, fatigue and muscle ache. As the pandemic has evolved and documented clinical case histories have accumulated, a new symptom began to emerge – the partial or total loss of the sense of taste and smell. This in itself is not unusual for a respiratory viral infection, but what was unique is that people had this symptom without any of the other usual symptoms of infection.

It’s now clear that the coronavirus doesn’t just attack the respiratory system, and some people have reported gut issues and problems with their kidneys. Severe COVID-19 patients have experienced what’s called a ‘cytokine storm’ in which the body’s immune system goes into a potentially fatal overdrive and leads to multi-organ failure. This has also been seen with influenza, SARS and MERS-CoV.

LONG-LASTING HEALTH EFFECTS OF SARS
Severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS), a coronavirus that emerged in 2003, causes very similar symptoms to COVID-19. As with COVID-19, people over 60 years are at highest risk of severe symptoms.

A study of the long-term effects of SARS undertaken in Hong Kong showed that two years after they had the disease, one in two SARS survivors had much poorer exercise capacity and health status than those who had never had the disease. Only 78% of SARS patients were able to return to full‐time work 1 year after infection.

Another study, also done in Hong Kong, revealed that 40% of people recovering from SARS still had chronic fatigue symptoms 3.5 years after being diagnosed. Viral infections such as SARS and Epstein-Barr virus are known to trigger chronic fatigue syndrome that can last for months or years.

THE LONG-TERM OUTLOOK FOR COVID-19
A striking feature of COVID-19 is how long the symptoms can last. Early in the pandemic, initial medical advice on recovery times for mild COVID-19 had suggested 1-2 weeks. However, many people have seen symptoms last for 8 to 10 weeks or longer, and symptoms can seem to go away only to come racing back. A research group at King’s College London, UK, developed a COVID-19 tracker app for people to record their symptoms daily, and estimated 200,000 have been reporting symptoms for the entire six weeks since the tracker was launched.

Many people had a pattern of symptoms, where their symptoms were heightened initially, nearly disappeared, then returned again with ferocity, along with a very wide range of symptoms.

A key question is what is causing the recurring symptoms – i.e. whether it is reactivation of a persistent infection, reinfection (which seems unlikely based on current data), or whether the person has become infected with another virus or even bacteria as their immune system is still recovering.

Given the multi-organ effect of COVID-19 on the body, survivors may have a variety of long-term effects on their organs, including what some doctors are calling ‘post-COVID lung disease’. Looking at the organs that are affected during infection could give an idea of where the long-term effects on the body are likely to manifest.

As we are still in the throes of the pandemic, and at a relatively early stage of a new disease, it is too early to tell what COVID-19 survivors are likely to experience in a year’s time.

Some researchers are concerned, however, that just as with SARS, many people with the new coronavirus will go on to develop post-viral chronic fatigue syndrome.

The uncertainty of the future for COVID-19 survivors is why several long-term cohort studies (that study genetic and environmental factors in large groups over a period of time) have been repurposed to study the physical, mental and socio-economic consequences of the pandemic.

https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/long-term-health-effects-covid-19


STAY SAFE WEAR MASKSI already posted an apology for misstating that the hospitalizations were not at the April levels yet. And I understand the long term issues. I myself have had some minor shortness of breath issues, fatigue and days when I sweat and feel like I’m burning up when I’m maybe running a half a degree high. I humbly grovel for being wrong.

Anecdotally, it sounds like there's is now near perfect mask compliance in Norman shops, despite a mask mandate being "unenforceable".

Gee, who'd have thought....... *eyeroll*

Just left Homeland on N Rockwell. Every employee was masked but one stocker who probably works for the supplier so the company policy wouldn’t apply. It should though. Almost all customers had on masks too. Way up from a couple weeks ago. Seems like more people are catching on even without a mandate or ordinance.

Which councilors will vote for masks? I’m going to say Greiner will not, but I think it is possible we could see the rest vote “aye.” Maybe I am being too optimistic.I house your right. I’m also wondering. The mayor can make a mandate but wouldn’t anything done by the council be an actual ordinance. And would that make it more enforceable?

I find it interesting the story is cases cases cases without context. I recall when this started, I always what the denominator was because it skewed the ratio. With the high increase in testing, we are finding out the ratio and it is much lower to the point COVID is getting the flu territory. Also, the CDC is trending towards no longer calling COVID an epidemic due to the ever decreasing death ratio. Why is the death ratio going down because the increase in testing is showing the true denominator.

Another reminder of the purpose of flatten the curve. The same amount of people that were going to get COVID with or without the shutdown. The flatten the curve spread the length of when cases would happen and what seeing right now.

Another reminder 60M people got the swine flu in a one year period, I don’t remember the hysteria happening. Where was the mask shaming and the Media hysteria? What has changed?

Another fact, the hospitalization rate for COVID for children is lower than the flu. Are we going to shutdown school every year during flu season? Why didn’t we wear mask during every flu season at schools? Where was the media hysteria every flu season? What has changed?

I already posted an apology for misstating that the hospitalizations were not at the April levels yet. And I understand the long term issues. I myself have had some minor shortness of breath issues, fatigue and days when I sweat and feel like I’m burning up when I’m maybe running a half a degree high. I humbly grovel for being wrong.

I hope you have not caught the virus, if you have, my prayers go out to you with the hope of a speedy recovery.



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Where to begin...

First of all, Swine flu only killed 12,500 people in the U.S. in a year's time. Covid-19 has already killed 136,000 in the U.S. in about 4 months (with a huge lockdown) and we are still adding about 1,000 additional deaths per day. The mortality rate is exponentially higher with Covid.

Fauci himself said 4 days ago no one should take comfort from the mortality rate dropping in the near term:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/07/politics/fauci-coronavirus-pandemic-us-response/index.html


Another fact, the hospitalization rate for COVID for children is lower than the flu. Are we going to shutdown school every year during flu season? Why didn’t we wear mask during every flu season at schools? Where was the media hysteria every flu season? What has changed?

Kids have been out of school since March. The virus is spreading much faster now than when schools closed. Do you honestly believe that school closures haven't been directly responsible for kids not getting sick?


The same amount of people that were going to get COVID with or without the shutdown.

This is absurd. Since reopening cases have gone through the roof and it was only slowed by the closures.

BTW, the U.S. had more than 70,000 (!) new cases yesterday, another record by a fair measure.

We are racing toward over 100,000 new cases per day at a time when almost every other country has this under control.

What has changed?

*vaguely points to the previous posts of this thread where this question has been asked and answered over and over again*

We can post it for you, but we can’t make you read it, and we certainly can’t make you comprehend it.

I find it interesting the story is cases cases cases without context. I recall when this started, I always what the denominator was because it skewed the ratio. With the high increase in testing, we are finding out the ratio and it is much lower to the point COVID is getting the flu territory. Also, the CDC is trending towards no longer calling COVID an epidemic due to the ever decreasing death ratio. Why is the death ratio going down because the increase in testing is showing the true denominator.

Another reminder of the purpose of flatten the curve. The same amount of people that were going to get COVID with or without the shutdown. The flatten the curve spread the length of when cases would happen and what seeing right now.

Another reminder 60M people got the swine flu in a one year period, I don’t remember the hysteria happening. Where was the mask shaming and the Media hysteria? What has changed?

Another fact, the hospitalization rate for COVID for children is lower than the flu. Are we going to shutdown school every year during flu season? Why didn’t we wear mask during every flu season at schools? Where was the media hysteria every flu season? What has changed?

Holy cow, this is all wrong. Let's walk through it:


I find it interesting the story is cases cases cases without context. I recall when this started, I always what the denominator was because it skewed the ratio. With the high increase in testing, we are finding out the ratio and it is much lower to the point COVID is getting the flu territory. Also, the CDC is trending towards no longer calling COVID an epidemic due to the ever decreasing death ratio. Why is the death ratio going down because the increase in testing is showing the true denominator.

It's not just cases, it is percentage of positives. If this was simply a result of more testing, the percentage rate would be going down. For example, check out New York. They've had a surge in testing since May and their positivity rate continues to decrease: https://twitter.com/thehowie/status/1281733146619392001?s=20

Second, most studies have the CFR of COVID between 0.5%-1%, or more than 5 to ten times the severity of the flu. This is still significantly higher than "flu territory." https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01738-2

Third, the death ratio is going down because deaths, as we've been saying for a couple weeks now, lag. And we are now seeing deaths in Texas, Florida, and Arizona begin to rise up and there is no indication that this rise is going to arrest any time soon: https://www.axios.com/coronavirus-deaths-rising-hotspots-b4c6863f-b733-42e5-a9be-7f4e66f38667.html


Another reminder of the purpose of flatten the curve. The same amount of people that were going to get COVID with or without the shutdown. The flatten the curve spread the length of when cases would happen and what seeing right now.

No, the same amount of people weren't going to get COVID with or without the shutdown. Unless you have some sort of proof to back up such an absurd claim, that flies in the face of the experience of Italy, France, Spain, Germany, Japan, South Korea, etc.


Another reminder 60M people got the swine flu in a one year period, I don’t remember the hysteria happening. Where was the mask shaming and the Media hysteria? What has changed?

The swine flu was a flu virus, to which we already had some native immunity, could modify the flu vaccine to expand that immunity, and the swine flu had a CFR of 0.09% (https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2009/12/researchers-estimate-relatively-low-h1n1-fatality-rate), or about the same as a typical flu season.

Your error is in comparing a novel virus of which we still don't know the long-term ramifications of and have no native immunity to, to an influenza virus which we have fought before, have treatments and vaccinations for, and which we have kept the death rate down significantly. Apples and oranges.


Another fact, the hospitalization rate for COVID for children is lower than the flu. Are we going to shutdown school every year during flu season? Why didn’t we wear mask during every flu season at schools? Where was the media hysteria every flu season? What has changed?

...and your flawed comparison continues. We don't shut down every school year for flu season (though some schools shut down when they have an inundation of cases) because we have treatments and vaccines for the flu and a native immunity. Also, the big issues with opening schools up isn't necessarily the kids but the numerous adults who work there, and the families of the kids who go to school who may get infected.

You really need to stop making false comparisons to the flu virus, and just do some general reading, otherwise you end up with really flawed posts.

BTW, the U.S. had more than 70,000 (!) new cases yesterday, another record by a fair measure.

We are racing toward over 100,000 new cases per day at a time when almost every other country has this under control.

Damn it, I kinna hoped I would be wrong when I said this back on July 5th:




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If the US % positive rate gets to 10%, then we can expect to see daily case counts in the 70,000+ range.

Here to report more bad news!

Surprised this hasn't been mentioned more, but the Weekly Report (https://coronavirus.health.ok.gov/weekly-epidemiology-and-surveillance-report) from the state comes out at the end of every week, and this week's has a VERY bad sign: we've jumped from mid-6% positive rate in testing, all the way up to 9.7%.

To show how this weekly figure has trended over time, I overlaid the testing section from June 5 - current. Last week's report actually showed a sliver of hope for a (very small) decreasing positive rate. That's gone now.

https://i.imgur.com/Nhwk3lU.jpg

687 new cases today; 2nd highest ever.

5 more people died.

687 new cases today; 2nd highest ever.

Don't Saturday's tend to be low

Don't Saturday's tend to be low

Sundays and Mondays tend to be the lowest.

Sat 7/11: 687
Sat 7/4: 580
Sat 6/27: 299
Sat 6/20: 331
Sat 6/13: 225

Looked at that early today pw405, the positive rate for last week being 9.7% is honestly terrifying. I believe once Texas went over 10% they started to mandate masks and shut things down again.

Net hospitalizations went up by 12.

Our 7-day rolling average for new cases is now 591.

It frustrates the hell out of me that we would wait to do a mask mandate until the numbers have already skyrocketed.

It frustrates the hell out of me that we would wait to do a mask mandate until the numbers have already skyrocketed.

Pretty soon we'll get to the point where mask won't even work cuz we'll have so many cases. I'm looking at the past numbers on Saturday compared to today's numbers we are going to hit a thousand this week

It frustrates the hell out of me that we would wait to do a mask mandate until the numbers have already skyrocketed.

Yeah I honestly don't know what our leaders are waiting for. This thing isn't going to magically get better anytime soon. We're on Texas/Arizona pace now.

Pretty soon we'll get to the point where math won't even work cuz we'll have so many cases. I'm looking at the past numbers on Saturday compared to today's numbers we are going to hit a thousand this week

Speaking of math... the author of the spreadsheet that showed OKC in Tulsa in the top 20 for week over week % increase also shared this, which was interesting(terrifying):

https://i.imgur.com/1TofYkm.jpg

Somebody responded to that Tweet (asking for confirmation, using the same logic) that in two weeks, OK's weekly counts will jump up to 5,400 cases/week.
(760 cases, on average, for 7 days. Due to variability in testing, I would imagine we'll cross the 1,000 daily case mark on or before July 25th. (I hope I am wrong, and it doesn't happen)).

It frustrates the hell out of me that we would wait to do a mask mandate until the numbers have already skyrocketed.

IF it even passes in OKC and/or Tulsa

And even then, outside those city limits there are very few mandates.

This should be done on the state level and Stitt has said he isn't going to do it and you can bet he will not change his mind no matter what happens.

IF it even passes in OKC and/or Tulsa

And even then, outside those city limits there are very few mandates.

This should be done on the state level and Stitt has said he isn't going to do it and you can bet he will not change his mind no matter what happens.

It should have been done on the national level months ago -- you know when we watch China, then Europe, then New York..but us Americans are a very foolish lot.....



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It should have been done on the national level months ago -- you know when we watch China, then Europe, then New York..but us Americans are a very foolish lot.....


No mechanism available on the national level.

That Pesky Constitution, always getting in the way.

IF it even passes in OKC and/or Tulsa

And even then, outside those city limits there are very few mandates.

This should be done on the state level and Stitt has said he isn't going to do it and you can bet he will not change his mind no matter what happens.

IF it passes in OKC, I feel the suburbs will follow. Probably the same in Tulsa.

IF it passes in OKC, I feel the suburbs will follow. Probably the same in Tulsa.

We'll see. Norman mayor and some council members now being targeted for recall over this issue.

We'll see. Norman mayor and some council members now being targeted for recall over this issue.

That is why Holt is hesitant to enact what this board wants.

I house your right. I’m also wondering. The mayor can make a mandate but wouldn’t anything done by the council be an actual ordinance. And would that make it more enforceable?

No. The mayor is just saying this as an excuse. On Twitter he said we are moving away from emergency proclamations. Mayor Bynum said something similar, which is galling. Without arguing their premise, they should at least make temporary proclamations until their councilors can vote on it.

The science on mask wearing is clear. There is no debate. And while we have hospital capacity now, we are close enough to the brink that waiting another week to do something seems reckless and weak.

To your question: a mayoral emergency proclamation is just as enforceable as an ordinance adopted by council.

We'll see. Norman mayor and some council members now being targeted for recall over this issue.

That will fail spectacularly. They won’t even get the signatures, let alone the votes. Those councilors and the mayor are popular.

Similar efforts against Holt or our councilors would also fail.

These anti-maskers are going to door to door in Norman. Lunacy.

TLO has a good read on the back ground of the two that are behind this. One of them is a real homophobe.

Angry Normanites Fight To Take Back Town That's Passing Them By... – The Lost Ogle
https://www.thelostogle.com/2020/07/10/angry-normanites-fight-to-take-back-town-thats-passing-them-by/

These anti-maskers are going to door to door in Norman. Lunacy.

They better wait to see if they have a case. If positive cases are well down a month or two from now, they don't have a case against masks.

That will fail spectacularly. They won’t even get the signatures, let alone the votes. Those councilors and the mayor are popular.

Similar efforts against Holt or our councilors would also fail.

Yes, I'm sure you are correct.

If some anti-masker comes to my door requesting signatures, legally speaking, can I spray them with pepper spray?

If some anti-masker comes to my door requesting signatures, legally speaking, can I spray them with pepper spray?

Oh man, that’s an expensive idea.

If some anti-masker comes to my door requesting signatures, legally speaking, can I spray them with pepper spray?

Lol right now thinking of those nitwits knocking doors for that quixotic effort. If you have never knocked before, it’s easy to do for a couple of days or so, but after that it takes extreme commitment to keep going. Especially in this heat. And, people are literally going to be yelling for them to GTFO. Doors slammed in their faces. People infuriated that these mask-less morons even have the gall to knock their door.

This will be a hilarious fail.

I hope you have not caught the virus, if you have, my prayers go out to you with the hope of a speedy recovery.



STAY SAFE WEAR MASKSI posted the whole story a number of pages ago. In a nutshell I had very minor symptoms in mid-March. Some of which weren’t listed yet as being COVID symptoms yet so I wondered but didn’t worry about it much. Then in late May I donated blood and got a call that I tested positive for antibodies. Their test isn’t the FDA approved one though. I had a second FDA approved test and it was positive also. I then got a call asking me to be listed on a register of recovered cases and to donate plasma, which I did and will continue to do as long as they say my antibodies are still high enough.

Too many anti-maskers out there for a mandate to work. You want the numbers to go down you want to get things under country. You shut thing down for 4 weeks. It will never happen but that is the only way we get this under control unless the virus keeps mutating and kills its self somehow.