This guy predicted a pandemic back in 2014:

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/04/10/barack-obama-2014-pandemic-comments-sot-ctn-vpx.cnn



STAY SAFE WEAR MASKS

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I'm talking about decision-makers like the mayors, governors or the president.

They are the ones dictating policy, such as openings, restrictions, masks.

In a normal administration, the Head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infections Diseases would be in charge of making decisions about the pandemic.



STAY SAFE WEAR MASKS

Channel 4 just asked some questions and it does sound like only nasal swabs are being counted. Great so rapid test are not so our numbers are even higher. SMH We are f***ed

We’ve known this for some time.

Stitt presser pushed to 4:45 since he is at the police funeral in Tulsa.

Saw a picture of the funeral. Packed house with not a mask in sight. Not a great look again.

Kind of a roundabout way to defund the police, but if that's what their plan is.

So, instead of relying on the government to make some kind of decision, why doesn’t the private sector do it?. How about businesses all get together and make mask wearing mandatory to enter. No shirt, no shoes, no masks, no service. I mentioned up thread that we as a country have lost it’s resolve. It’s been obvious what we need to do. Our elected officials refuse to act quickly and decisively. So it’s up to the public to do it.

Total f***ing moron,

Certainly better than New York or Michigan or New Jersey or Massachusetts . . .

So, instead of relying on the government to make some kind of decision, why doesn’t the private sector do it?. How about businesses all get together and make mask wearing mandatory to enter. No shirt, no shoes, no masks, no service. I mentioned up thread that we as a country have lost it’s resolve. It’s been obvious what we need to do. Our elected officials refuse to act quickly and decisively. So it’s up to the public to do it.

You are too idealistic.

I work in retail. A member of staff tested positive and they gave us a choice. Either work or get tested on our dime. So what choice do people like this have? Business doesn't care about your wellbeing. They care about money.

Channel 4 just asked some questions and it does sound like only nasal swabs are being counted. Great so rapid test are not so our numbers are even higher. SMH We are f***ed

Because they are not accurate...give it a rest, before you blow your pacemaker.

Kind of a roundabout way to defund the police, but if that's what their plan is.

Thanks, my first laugh of the day...

So, instead of relying on the government to make some kind of decision, why doesn’t the private sector do it?. How about businesses all get together and make mask wearing mandatory to enter. No shirt, no shoes, no masks, no service. I mentioned up thread that we as a country have lost it’s resolve. It’s been obvious what we need to do. Our elected officials refuse to act quickly and decisively. So it’s up to the public to do it.

Starbucks just did nation wide. Many fast food places at least around me in west metro still have their lobbies close. Some are trying but then many are not like Braums. Go to the mask no mask facebook group Braums gets ripped all day long. Being a local company I figured they would care a little more then the rest.

Starbucks just did nation wide. Many fast food places at least around me in west metro still have their lobbies close. Some are trying but then many are not like Braums. Go to the mask no mask facebook group Braums gets ripped all day long. Being a local company I figured they would care a little more then the rest.

Braum's hasn't cared about anything customer-service-related for a long time, hairy arms dipping into foot-deep ice cream containers, the nasty floors and tables, getting orders wrong, cutting down portions, not staffing properly, etc. But Okies still go there in droves. :doh:

You are too idealistic.

I work in retail. A member of staff tested positive and they gave us a choice. Either work or get tested on our dime. So what choice do people like this have? Business doesn't care about your wellbeing. They care about money.

I wonder if your employer received bailout $$$. Infuriating.

Starbucks just did nation wide. Many fast food places at least around me in west metro still have their lobbies close. Some are trying but then many are not like Braums. Go to the mask no mask facebook group Braums gets ripped all day long. Being a local company I figured they would care a little more then the rest.Actually I would expect a Seattle based company like Starbucks to have a company wide mask rule long before an Oklahoma based company. Sounds much more like a Seattle thing than an Oklahoma thing. The southern states are much more “don’t mess with my rights” than Seattle will ever be.

Certainly better than New York or Michigan or New Jersey or Massachusetts . . .


The jury is out. At least those governors took action and got their situations under control instead of issuing misleading platitudes.

All time record now: 487 currently hospitalized.

Why is Stitt claiming we have 5,000 hospital beds? Did I miss something? The Health Department Executive Order report always shows about 1,000 beds right?

I drove down Meridian on the way home from work as usual. So many hot rods for this weekend’s Nationals. Normally I’d have been stopping, checking out cars and talking to the owners. Some Nationals Thursday’s I don’t get home from work until 9 or 10. All I could think of today was “Really. You’re doing this in a pandemic?.

Because they are not accurate...give it a rest, before you blow your pacemaker.

They are accurate as far as positives being positive is concerned.

High rate of false negatives, but no real worry about false positives.

Braum's hasn't cared about anything customer-service-related for a long time, hairy arms dipping into foot-deep ice cream containers, the nasty floors and tables, getting orders wrong, cutting down portions, not staffing properly, etc. But Okies still go there in droves. :doh:

I admit when i moved here in 2012 other then milk I didn't see what the big deal was about them. I don't think their ice cream is all that great either. Burgers are just ok not even in the top 5 for fast food. Shakes are too hit or miss you can get a good one or get one that is like flavored milk. Fries are decent and take it from someone that worked there service at night sucks. Lunch it's ok but the store I worked at average drive time at night was over 6 minutes. If I'm waiting over 6 minutes for food my burger better be made fresh but with all the shakes at night it was impossible at times to give fast service. Their system is kind of flawed.

But as far as Covid they done nothing. No sneeze guards at registrars, no blocking off tables, no mask in grocery.

NEW: COVID hospitalizations in Oklahoma have increased to 487, the highest level since April 2.

Everything is fine just re-watch Stitt Press conference. Nothing to worry about. Wash your hands wear a mask.

I admit when i moved here in 2012 other then milk I didn't see what the big deal was about them. I don't think their ice cream is all that great either. Burgers are just ok not even in the top 5 for fast food. Shakes are too hit or miss you can get a good one or get one that is like flavored milk. Fries are decent and take it from someone that worked there service at night sucks. Lunch it's ok but the store I worked at average drive time at night was over 6 minutes. If I'm waiting over 6 minutes for food my burger better be made fresh but with all the shakes at night it was impossible at times to give fast service. Their system is kind of flawed.

But as far as Covid they done nothing. No sneeze guards at registrars, no blocking off tables, no mask in grocery.

Speaking of Braum’s, is anything happening with the Hi-Lo / Drunken Fry property?

Still looks like a total dump. Surely that’s not highest and best use?

Anybody bet have unknown pneumonia deadlier than coronavirus for the next 2020 disaster? At least there aren't murder hornets carrying it around...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8508129/Unknown-pneumonia-said-deadlier-coronavirus-sweeping-Kazakhstan.html

NEW: COVID hospitalizations in Oklahoma have increased to 487, the highest level since April 2.

Everything is fine just re-watch Stitt Press conference. Nothing to worry about. Wash your hands wear a mask.
But he just couldn’t impose on Oklahoma freedoms and actually wear a mask. Too bad one of the reporters didn’t ask about seat belts or non smoking laws.

Something I hadn't thought about as a consequence of this, not good at all...

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/14-million-children-going-hungry-coronavirus_n_5f07777cc5b6480493cd5e87

I went into Braums in Edmond today to grab a few items. The workers in the food/ice cream area did not wear masks. The one in the grocery area did. I set the items down at the register and back away for social distancing. She gave me the total and then stepped back from the register as I swiped my card and picked up my items. She was wearing a mask and social distancing. Folks this can be done. Its not hard.

Also out today, maybe masks is a better heading. The Archdiocese of Okc will now require masks of all at church functions and in the offices starting on the 11th. Not sure if anyone else saw the letter. i don't know how to link it. Sorry, not much of a tech head, just an old head.

It’s apparently very hard for some, including our governor. Freedom baby!

I went into Braums in Edmond today to grab a few items. The workers in the food/ice cream area did not wear masks. The one in the grocery area did. I set the items down at the register and back away for social distancing. She gave me the total and then stepped back from the register as I swiped my card and picked up my items. She was wearing a mask and social distancing. Folks this can be done. Its not hard.

You really need to stay home. I’m worried you’re to at risk. Mowing and taking care acreage is not worth sacrificing your life. Stay home

I do stay home most of the time. I forgot a few items when out shopping so I stopped in. I did not see any other customers in the store. Yep, mowing and taking care of acreage that is me. Rather the peace and quiet of the country then dealing with all the people in town. Not all of us are city folks.

I do stay home most of the time. I forgot a few items when out shopping so I stopped in. I did not see any other customers in the store. Yep, mowing and taking care of acreage that is me. Rather the peace and quiet of the country then dealing with all the people in town. Not all of us are city folks.

oklip955,... You enjoy that country living. For 10 years we lived on an acreage out your way, off Hiwassee and 164th, until serious issues with a neighbor forced us to make the decision to move. You don’t have to be cooped up in the house out there.

The U.S. set another record for new cases yesterday, over 60,000.

Texas alone had over 11,000.

This is the county heat map:

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/covidheatmap071020.jpg

You are too idealistic.

I work in retail. A member of staff tested positive and they gave us a choice. Either work or get tested on our dime. So what choice do people like this have? Business doesn't care about your wellbeing. They care about money.

I don't think so. I see a lot of people waiting on the government so be their savior through this. While it would be nice to see some leadership, we can't rely on it. The public needs to come together to help beat this thing. That's not being too idealistic.

This is making the rounds on social media; there is now a full-on anti-masker movement with lots of people also saying they won't take the vaccine:


For all who are defending wearing the mask. Let me say also that I have complied with this myself for 3 months. I shut my company down, I sent employees home, I locked my family up in the house but the truth has far from been told to the American people. This has been a successful exercise in control and power over a populace and we fell right in line like scared puppies but no more.

When you say - “It’s just a mask.” "Just wear it, it's only a mask. Do what your told and shut up"

.....”It's just a mask" can turn into "it's just a vaccine" very quickly. And it will, you can bet your bottom dollar on that!
In less than 5 months, our government has successfully divided the country into "obedient mask wearers" versus "selfish people that refuse to wear masks.”

"It's just a mask, you guys.” It's for "the greater good!”

Where have we heard this phrase before?��

In less than 5 months, our government has dictated what events are acceptable versus unacceptable to attend. Riots are OK, but church and family funerals are not. Standing in a graduation line is a "safety hazard,” but feel free to line up at WalMart, Lowes, and Home Depot.
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But it's "just a mask" & "safety precautions,” you guys.

In less than 5 months, our government successfully facilitated the closing of family-owned businesses while granting authority to large corporations that they have invested interests in.

It's "just a mask" and "safety precautions" you guys. Oh & here's a measly $1200 that we stole from you in the first place. Enjoy!

In less than 5 months, our government was able to successfully sway the population into believing that a CASHLESS SOCIETY is a good thing! In the name of a government sponsored virus.

In less than 5 months, our government closed down public schools, and has "restructured" school moving forward under the guise of "public safety" from a "virus.” These same schools fed children crap per the corrupt USDA food pyramid. But "health" matters when it comes to a government sponsored virus ��
It's "just a mask" & "heightened safety precautions,” you guys.

In less than 5 months, our government demonstrated how easily people assimilate to "guidelines" (that have NO scientific premise whatsoever) when they are fearful.

What was up with all that toilet paper?

It's "just a mask" & "6 foot social distancing,” you guys. Oh, and dooky paper.

In less than 5 months, our government has successfully instilled fear in a majority of the population in America.
But citizens are not "afraid" of the people in power who are responsible for the removal of their "freedoms.” Instead, they're fearful of their neighbors and family, human touch, and air. Government created division.
There are thousands of viruses that *could* affect the population, but these viruses do not matter because MSM didn't say they do.

It's absolutely terrifying to me that so many people do not question authority because they see that authority as "all knowing." It's even more terrifying that these same people rely on corrupt "leaders" to be led, thus lacking all critical thinking skills/independence.

Slaves to the system that keeps them oppressed.

How quickly history is forgotten and repeated!

What's most problematic to me about all of this is that the people who are wearing masks "for the greater good" will be the first to sign up for this shiny new vaccine that's had 0 longitudinal safety tests against an inert placebo.
What's more problematic to me is that this Vaccine MAY be the deciding factor in life moving forward.
You thought a mask was inconvenient? Wait until you're told that you cannot enter a store without proof of the Covid-19 vaccine. Wait until you cannot go to public events, or travel, without proof of having received this vaccine.
To everyone that doesn't believe this is possible - do you understand that our government just successfully dictated to people WHEN they were allowed to be outside, where they were allowed to go, and how their children would be educated, in less than 5 months? And that a majority of the population followed blindly because they were told to do so.

You're kidding yourself if you believe that they're not going to repeat this behavior with a vaccine.
If people have not protested the occurrences in America over the last 5 months, they will assuredly continue to abide by unsubstantiated "guidelines" that will include a vaccine.

It’s not about a mask, it’s about CONTROL.

WOW!!! Just wow!

This is the county heat map:

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/covidheatmap071020.jpgI’m not understanding something. Nothing new there. But the morning news today had the criteria for the color code. One item is the percentage of ICU beds available. If the story from a couple days ago is accurate it seems to me that at least a few counties should be red. What am I getting wrong?

You really need to stay home. I’m worried you’re to at risk. Mowing and taking care acreage is not worth sacrificing your life. Stay home

This has it backwards. If you’re scared of wearing a mask, stay home, don’t get other people infected. Simple as that.

I can somewhat empathize with the "but my freedoms" folks. To be honest, the thought of mask mandates is pretty chilling and goes against just about every fiber of my being, except that these are extraordinary circumstances that requires extraordinary sacrifices. But I can at least empathize with that point of view because in general I share it. The government conspiracy, anti-5G, anti Bill Gates, anti Vaccine, "they're gonna send you to FEMA camps and implant you with chips" crowd, on the other hand? They're just flat out crazy.

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The thing is, several of my friends shared that craziness with lots of people 'liking' the post.

And these are educated, professional people albeit around my age, which is 60.

This is making the rounds on social media; there is now a full-on anti-masker movement with lots of people also saying they won't take the vaccine:

Oh god... I hate to even requote this post, but I have seen it too, and I've seen attached to various images. IMHO, this feels like textbook Russian Troll misinformation campaign. Everytime I see this stuff, I report the post by the person sharing it as fake news, then I go to the original account that posted it and report the ever-living-s*it out of everything I find that is incorrect. They do NOT appear to be real accounts. Guessing they are either old, inactive accounts that have been compromised, or some people just like to share 20-40 crappy memes/day that all push an idiotic agenda. I feel like Facebook has become FAR too complacent in their role in spreading dangerous misinformation.

This is making the rounds on social media; there is now a full-on anti-masker movement with lots of people also saying they won't take the vaccine:

there is pretty much 0% chance i would let any of my family take a vaccine that comes out in the next year (very unlikely there will be a vaccine this year and maybe not ever)

I am not anti vaccine at all but ...

a normal vaccine timeline is 4+ years this is for testing and all kinds of other safety measures ...

Just left the south Lowe’s. Employees wearing masks but probably 25% either not all the way or all the way down around their chin. Maybe 10% of customers and that’s being generous.

there is pretty much 0% chance i would let any of my family take a vaccine that comes out in the next year (very unlikely there will be a vaccine this year and maybe not ever)

I am not anti vaccine at all but ...

a normal vaccine timeline is 4+ years this is for testing and all kinds of other safety measures ...

Any widely available vaccine would have to pass the same rigorous testing as any other.

I have gotten the flu vaccine 1 time. Guess how many times I have had the flu? 1.

I won't take any super rushed vaccine for this virus. I will wait until the first wave of vaccine people get it, and see the effects. I am not being selfish, I just think that people will get the vaccine and think all is well again, which is dangerous, when dealing with vaccines for viruses.

We already have anti-vaxxers when there isn't even a vaccine yet.

Here's another Facebook post that has been reposted by educated people I know who are in their 30s, with several comments from their friends agreeing. Blows my mind.

PLEASE READ THIS IF YOU WEAR A MASK!!!

So Masks?
I am OSHA 10 & 30 certified. I know some of you are too. I don’t really know WHY OSHA hasn’t come forward and stopped the nonsense BUT I wanna cover 3 things • N95 masks and masks with exhale ports • surgical masks • filter or cloth masks

Okay so upon further inspection OSHA says some masks are okay and not okay in certain situations.
If you’re working with fumes and aerosol chemicals and you give your employees the wrong masks and they get sick you can be sued.
• N95 masks: are designed for CONTAMINATED environments. That means when you exhale through N95 the design is that you are exhaling into contamination. The exhale from N95 masks are vented to breath straight out without filtration. They don’t filter the air on the way out. They don’t need to.
Conclusion: if you’re in Stewart’s and the guy with Covid has N95 mask his covid breath is unfiltered being exhaled into Stewart’s (because it was designed for already contaminated environments, it’s not filtering your air on the way out)

• Surgical Mask: these masks were designed and approved for STERILE environments. The amount of particles and contaminants in the outside and indoor environments where people are CLOGG these masks very Very quickly. The moisture from your breath combined with the clogged mask with render it “useless” IF you come in contact with Covid and your mask traps it You become a walking virus dispenser. Everytime you put your mask on you are breathing the germs from EVERYWHERE you went. They should be changed or thrown out every “20-30 minutes in a non sterile environment”

Cloth masks: today three people pointed to their masks as the walked by me entering Lowe’s. They said “ya gotta wear your mask BRO” I said very clearly “those masks don’t work bro, in fact they MAKE you sicker” the “pshh’d” me.

By now hopefully you all know CLOTH masks do not filter anything. You mean the American flag one my aunt made? Yes. The one with sunflowers that looks so cute? Yes. The bandanna, the cut up t-shirt, the scarf ALL of them offer NO FILTERING whatsoever. As you exhale you are ridding your lungs of contaminants and carbon dioxide. Cloth masks trap this carbon dioxide the best. It actually risks health. The moisture caught in these masks can become mildew ridden over night. Dry coughing, enhanced allergies, sore throat are all symptoms of a micro-mold in your mask.

Ultimate Answer: N95 blows the virus into the air from a contaminated person.

The surgical mask is not designed for the outside world and will not filter the virus upon inhaling through it. It’s filtration works on the exhale. (Like a vacuum bag it only works one way)

Cloth masks are WORSE than none.

The CDC wants us to keep wearing masks. The masks don’t work.

Wash your hands. Sanitize your hands. Don’t touch stuff. Wash your phone. Don’t touch people. And keep your distance. Why? Because your breath stinks, your deodorant is failing, your shoes are old and stink, that shirts not clean, I like my space. Trust me I can hear you from here. Lots of reasons. But trust me. The masks do not work.
*Occupational Safety & Health Administration sited.
The top American organization for safety.
They regulate and educate asbestos workers, surgical rooms, you name it.
If your mask gives you security wear it, just know it is a false sense of security.

If stores stopped enforcing it no one would continue this nonsense.

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You have to believe that a lot of this nonsense starts with Russian disinformation bots to continue to sow seeds of discontent and division in our country, which only benefits them.

This has it backwards. If you’re scared of wearing a mask, stay home, don’t get other people infected. Simple as that.
I wear a mask every time I live my place and I social distance. The problem is so many people do not and I am contantly trying to avoid people who don't in the stores. I have a bad knee so it does make it hard.

. I feel like Facebook has become FAR too complacent in their role in spreading dangerous misinformation.

I would say "social media as a whole" has become FAR too complacent in their role in spreading dangerous misinformation.


I have also noticed several of my follows on instagram post a bunch of "wear your mask" memes and then the next post have a picture of them and their friends out a bar sans mask with the post "celebrating So and so's 34th bday!"

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You have to believe that a lot of this nonsense starts with Russian disinformation bots to continue to sow seeds of discontent and division in our country, which only benefits them.

or GMA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdqU5ptG2yY



https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/news/video/officials-warn-popular-valve-face-masks-71251861

Oh god... I hate to even requote this post, but I have seen it too, and I've seen attached to various images. IMHO, this feels like textbook Russian Troll misinformation campaign. Everytime I see this stuff, I report the post by the person sharing it as fake news, then I go to the original account that posted it and report the ever-living-s*it out of everything I find that is incorrect. They do NOT appear to be real accounts. Guessing they are either old, inactive accounts that have been compromised, or some people just like to share 20-40 crappy memes/day that all push an idiotic agenda. I feel like Facebook has become FAR too complacent in their role in spreading dangerous misinformation.

Is Facebook a publisher or platform?

Is Facebook a publisher or platform?

Regardless, there are still obligations when it comes to spreading disinformation.

I have gotten the flu vaccine 1 time. Guess how many times I have had the flu? 1.

I won't take any super rushed vaccine for this virus. I will wait until the first wave of vaccine people get it, and see the effects. I am not being selfish, I just think that people will get the vaccine and think all is well again, which is dangerous, when dealing with vaccines for viruses.

Flu vaccines DO NOT DO NOT DO NOT DO NOT give you the flu.

Read these (really, READ them):

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/prevent/misconceptions.htm

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/flu/in-depth/flu-shots/art-20048000

https://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/qa/can-flu-shots-cause-the-flu

https://www.livescience.com/40279-flu-shot-information.html

https://www.gohealthuc.com/library/can-flu-shot-make-you-sick

https://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases-and-conditions/10-flu-myths

https://www.menshealth.com/health/a19544378/flu-shot-side-effects/

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/326810

https://www.verywellhealth.com/why-did-i-get-sick-after-a-flu-shot-770535

https://www.vaccines.gov/diseases/flu

or GMA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdqU5ptG2yY



https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/news/video/officials-warn-popular-valve-face-masks-71251861

That first GMA video is from February. A *lot* has changed in our understanding of the virus since then. Please stop spreading misinformation.

Flu vaccines DO NOT DO NOT DO NOT DO NOT give you the flu.

Read these (really, READ them):

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/prevent/misconceptions.htm

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/flu/in-depth/flu-shots/art-20048000

https://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/qa/can-flu-shots-cause-the-flu

https://www.livescience.com/40279-flu-shot-information.html

https://www.gohealthuc.com/library/can-flu-shot-make-you-sick

https://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases-and-conditions/10-flu-myths

https://www.menshealth.com/health/a19544378/flu-shot-side-effects/

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/326810

https://www.verywellhealth.com/why-did-i-get-sick-after-a-flu-shot-770535

https://www.vaccines.gov/diseases/flu

If not, then I have terrible luck. Again, I will NOT take a super rushed vaccine for anything. There are promises of a vaccine in less than 9 months since inception. Forget that. Some can take decades. For a virus with so many unknowns (this thread states as much), how can a vaccine be created in 8 months?

That first GMA video is from February. A *lot* has changed in our understanding of the virus since then. Please stop spreading misinformation.

i was not spreading misinformation i was pointing out that the "misinformation" is not only from "russian bots"

and the doctor in that video is still a doctor right???

the point is people are still posting and sharing that video ..

If not, then I have terrible luck. Again, I will NOT take a super rushed vaccine for anything. There are promises of a vaccine in less than 9 months since inception. Forget that. Some can take decades. For a virus with so many unknowns (this thread states as much), how can a vaccine be created in 8 months?

As already stated, any widely approved vaccine would have to follow the same testing as any other.

It's being developed quickly because the U.S. and other countries are pouring in billions and there are billions to be made on behalf of the pharmaceutical companies.

or GMA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdqU5ptG2yY
https://www.goodmorningamerica.com/news/video/officials-warn-popular-valve-face-masks-71251861

“Make sure you’re wearing, not just a mask but a mask we like, God Damnit!”

-California

As already stated, any widely approved vaccine would have to follow the same testing as any other.

It's being developed quickly because the U.S. and other countries are pouring in billions and there are billions to be made on behalf of the pharmaceutical companies.

Not to mention that the Oxford vaccine was already being developed for SARS1/MERS and they just pivoted to Covid19. That is why they are already in Phase III when others are in Phase II.

Regardless, there are still obligations when it comes to spreading disinformation.

Pete, I know you know the difference, but I am not sure the general public knows about it. It is an important topic. However, it is off topic for the thread so I will not advance the discussion.