I haven't seen that anyone has reported any cases traced to the rally. I did see the one official speculating that various large events "likely" contributed to the surge. Has there been any actually traced cases to the rally?

The headlines I’ve seen related to the rally are extremely misleading. The only quotes I’ve seen are that they’ve seen a surge in cases two weeks after a weekend with SEVERAL large gatherings, the trump rally and associated protests and the Juneteenth celebration being three of them. The headlines created blaming only and definitely the Trump rally when literally no one has gone on record stating that it was the definitive cause is the media at its worst again. They’ve been chomping at the bit to post those headlines for two weeks.

The headlines I’ve seen related to the rally are extremely misleading. The only quotes I’ve seen are that they’ve seen a surge in cases two weeks after a weekend with SEVERAL large gatherings, the trump rally and associated protests and the Juneteenth celebration being three of them. The headlines created blaming only and definitely the Trump rally when literally no one has gone on record stating that it was the definitive cause is the media at its worst again. They’ve been chomping at the bit to post those headlines for two weeks.

I'm sure the rally has contributed. Doesn't take a genius to guess that. But only 6k people attended that rally. I'm sure there are a lot more people at the various Tulsa churches every weekend. Let's not even get to bar gatherings, Memorial Day, the 4th of July, etc. Plus, we've been watching the numbers. The surge was happening before the rally and I'm not sure if we've seen a specific bump from it. If the Rally was the major driving source of Tulsa's surge, the numbers would be a lot smaller, IMO.

The mayor of Tulsa is in damage control mode. “Let’s not talk about the rally,” he said. The mayoral election is next month.

It seems to me the age group of those showing up as infected would tell some of the story. If it's 20 - 30 somethings for the most part, it would signal looking at bars, lake gatherings, etc. If its 50+s, the Trump rally and/or churches would be the targets.

It seems to me the age group of those showing up as infected would tell some of the story. If it's 20 - 30 somethings for the most part, it would signal looking at bars, lake gatherings, etc. If its 50+s, the Trump rally and/or churches would be the targets.

Something caused the cases in Tulsa County to dramatically increase over Oklahoma County in the last three weeks.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/07/08/a-flawed-covid-19-study-gets-the-white-houses-attention-and-the-fda-may-pay-the-price/

Something caused the cases in Tulsa County to dramatically increase over Oklahoma County in the last three weeks.

They have been higher there all along. Not just the last few weeks

They have been higher there all along. Not just the last few weeks

Almost impossible when some test only take a couple days to get back or right away in a hospital and other test are taking up to 12 days. Who the hell knows when the got affect at this point unless that was the only place they went. Would you be able to tell? I don't go many places for me yes but i bet for many especially younger people they would have no clue

603 new cases today.

3 additional deaths.

89 (!) new hospitalizations, by far the largest day-over-day increase.

5.1% positive test rate, which is also trending up.

89 (!) new hospitalizations, by far the largest day-over-day increase.


Out of curiosity, are you getting this by tracking the "Patients currently hospitalized" total (which is at 453 today) and looking at the change from day to day or is it somewhere else?

Out of curiosity, are you getting this by tracking the "Patients currently hospitalized" total (which is at 453 today) and looking at the change from day to day or is it somewhere else?

There is a new cumulative number provided in the daily press releases.

It is not the same as the total currently hospitalized which actually fell 5 from yesterday.

89 (!) new hospitalizations, by far the largest day-over-day increase.



Not good. And will probably be overlooked by the currently hospitalized number going down 5. Which, don't get me wrong, is a good thing, but 89 new hospitalizations does not bode well at all for other numbers the next couple of weeks. I wish there were better resources for the geographic dispersion of the hospitalizations without having to look at the numbers manually. Would be interesting to be able to easily see where the increases are coming from and where the decreases are coming from.

(Was typing this as Pete also posted the information that currently hospitalized went down by 5).

Florida just announced 120 additional deaths in one day, the largest daily increase.

Remember when Gov. Stitt said, "We will continue to watch the data every day, and we will pull back if we see our cases spike or our hospitalizations increase” back in April?

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remember when gov. Stitt said, "we will continue to watch the data every day, and we will pull back if we see our cases spike or our hospitalizations increase” back in april?

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i 'member

Remember when Gov. Stitt said, "We will continue to watch the data every day, and we will pull back if we see our cases spike or our hospitalizations increase” back in April?

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I do and you do and lots of other people do, but does he?

Remember when Gov. Stitt said, "We will continue to watch the data every day, and we will pull back if we see our cases spike or our hospitalizations increase” back in April?

From https://twitter.com/KOCODillon:

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/covid070920a.png


http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/covid070920b.png

He'll most likely do nothing since alot of people still don't believe this is a problem, just hype. Look at Edmond city council meeting and see what the public opinion is. I think he will follow the public opinion.

I'm sure the rally has contributed. Doesn't take a genius to guess that. But only 6k people attended that rally. I'm sure there are a lot more people at the various Tulsa churches every weekend. Let's not even get to bar gatherings, Memorial Day, the 4th of July, etc. Plus, we've been watching the numbers. The surge was happening before the rally and I'm not sure if we've seen a specific bump from it. If the Rally was the major driving source of Tulsa's surge, the numbers would be a lot smaller, IMO.

Agree completely.

Stitt has scheduled a presser for 4PM today to discuss the Covid-19 situation.

There is a new cumulative number provided in the daily press releases.

It is not the same as the total currently hospitalized which actually fell 5 from yesterday.

Ah thanks. I was hoping there was some sort of data out there that I couldn't find. I was hoping for some sort of county breakdowns or more specifics.

Agree, its because no one is social distancing be it at bars, restaurants, church activities or large backyard parties. I love attending church activities but with the current situation, its better to stay at home if your church doesn't social distance or you don't feel comfortable with the situation. Same with the other activities.

The mayor of Tulsa is in damage control mode. “Let’s not talk about the rally,” he said. The mayoral election is next month.

He's been far and away the best mayor Tulsa has had in a long time. He should be easily reelected regardless of the fact that he allowed the rally to happen. Not allowing the president to speak probably would've had a much more negative effect on his reelection. But given that the surge was happening well before the rally and that only 6K people showed up (who knows how many were actually from the Tulsa area itself) and that no one is singling out the rally as the sole cause...I don't it will have any effect on his chances of reelection one way or another.

Stitt has scheduled a presser for 4PM today to discuss the Covid-19 situation.

I wonder if he will bring up his color coded county plan? Whatever happened with that?

National chains are asking governors to provide consistency on messaging because their employees are bearing the brunt of the public rage. It's not fair on the hourly workers to have constant battles with shoppers on masks or other protocols. And it's not fair on shoppers to try to guess the rules depending on what county, or state, they are eating or shopping or working in.

I wonder if he will bring up his color coded county plan? Whatever happened with that?

How much would that help anyway?

Everyone knows the most cases are in Tulsa, OKC, Norman, Stillwater and Guymon.

IMO it's just another graphic way of trying to deflect the seriousness of the disease.

He's been far and away the best mayor Tulsa has had in a long time. He should be easily reelected regardless of the fact that he allowed the rally to happen. Not allowing the president to speak probably would've had a much more negative effect on his reelection. But given that the surge was happening well before the rally and that only 6K people showed up (who knows how many were actually from the Tulsa area itself) and that no one is singling out the rally as the sole cause...I don't it will have any effect on his chances of reelection one way or another.

We will have to disagree here. He probably will be re-elected but he totally went against his “data driven” approach to governing. Not only did the data say it was a bad idea, so did the medical experts and scientists he said he is listening to, not to mention common sense. I have lost all respect for him.

National chains are asking governors to provide consistency on messaging because their employees are bearing the brunt of the public rage. It's not fair on the hourly workers to have constant battles with shoppers on masks or other protocols. And it's not fair on shoppers to try to guess the rules depending on what county, or state, they are eating or shopping or working in.

1000x this! Even between cities here in the metro - places actually in OKC city limits have Edmond addresses (and I'm sure there are other examples of other cities), so things are massively confusing and inconsistent.

And retail workers shouldn't be expected to be police/front-line workers making sure that mask guidelines/mandates are enforced. No, I don't have a solution, but if I was a min wage sales person at a Skechers store, I sure didn't sign up for that kind of stuff (getting things thrown at me and verbally abused, with the possibility of physical abuse).

We will have to disagree here. He probably will be re-elected but he totally went against his “data driven” approach to governing. Not only did the data say it was a bad idea, so did the medical experts and scientists he said he is listening to, not to mention common sense. I have lost all respect for him.

We can definitely agree that it would've been better from a health perspective to have the rally outside or not at all. As far as reelection goes, I just feel like the totality of his work (and even the way he's handled the virus outside of allowing the Trump rally) should be taken into account over a single situation in which he was put between a rock and a Trump place.

How much would that help anyway?

Everyone knows the most cases are in Tulsa, OKC, Norman, Stillwater and Guymon.

IMO it's just another graphic way of trying to deflect the seriousness of the disease.

Edmond, Broken Arrow and Jenks have more cases than Stillwater.

Edmond, Broken Arrow and Jenks have more cases than Stillwater.

The point is that the proposed map would just be color-coded by county.

I wonder if he will bring up his color coded county plan? Whatever happened with that?

What happen to that? WHAT THE HELL HAPPEN TO FLATTING THE CURVE. Seriously when is the last time you have heard that phrase. Total causes and hospitalizations are no where flat. I guess you could say deaths are flat but those are still happening every day.

What happen to that? WHAT THE HELL HAPPEN TO FLATTING THE CURVE. Seriously when is the last time you have heard that phrase. Total causes and hospitalizations are no where flat. I guess you could say deaths are flat but those are still happening every day.The phrase is obsolete. It was the basis for reopening. I believe new cases were pretty flat mid-April. Hospitalizations and deaths were decreasing. So we reopened. I’ve already covered why high numbers had to be expected if everyone just went back to normal. Which is largely what happened.

I’ve already covered why high numbers had to be expected if everyone just went back to normal. Which is largely what happened.

Absolutely nobody expected these record-high numbers in so many places.

Please provide proof of where this was ever mentioned by anyone making decisions about Covid-19.

Absolutely nobody expected these record-high numbers in so many places.

Please provide proof of where this was ever mentioned by anyone making decisions about Covid-19.

I did, and didn't most sane, rational people think the same as Bill? I know I posted the same weeks/months ago, but yeah, the bolded part above is the crux of it...

Absolutely nobody expected these record-high numbers in so many places.

Please provide proof of where this was ever mentioned by anyone making decisions about Covid-19.

https://www.ama-assn.org/delivering-care/public-health/harvard-epidemiologist-beware-covid-19-s-second-wave-fall
AMA and this Harvard Epidemiologist had it on their radar, back in early May.
WHO seemed quite aware, but our political leadership has not found them to be viable partners.
Fauci gave interview back in March about learning lessons from NY or suffering the consequences later. He reiterated it in May, especially his concern about possible spikes in the 18-35 group.
All of our political leaders have access to all the top global and national public health experts. What they choose to do with the scientific data and evidence-based practices? That's a different question.

Yeah, being able to predict the consequences of just returning back to normal is not the same as saying "everything is good and we were planning on these numbers". And it doesn't mean folks in charge were expecting these large numbers.

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My point is that people keep trying to put forth the idea that what we are experiencing now was expected by the people making the decisions to open businesses and make other decisions.

That these daily record highs across the board are all part of the original plan.

https://www.ama-assn.org/delivering-care/public-health/harvard-epidemiologist-beware-covid-19-s-second-wave-fall
AMA and this Harvard Epidemiologist had it on their radar, back in early May.
WHO seemed quite aware, but our political leadership has not found them to be viable partners.
Fauci gave interview back in March about learning lessons from NY or suffering the consequences later. He reiterated it in May, especially his concern about possible spikes in the 18-35 group.
All of our political leaders have access to all the top global and national public health experts. What they choose to do with the scientific data and evidence-based practices? That's a different question.

This line from that article was prescient -


“But the downside,” Lipsitch warned, “is that many jurisdictions will have a plan to open up but not a plan to reclose, leading to more situations like New York, New Orleans and Detroit where there’s extreme strains on the heath care.”

This has been my concern. I didn't have a problem (and in fact supported) with our reopen plan, but I thought there was going to be more planning/steps in place for moving backwards if and when needed.

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My point is that people keep trying to put forth the idea that what we are experiencing now was expected by the people making the decisions to open businesses and make other decisions.

That these daily record highs across the board are all part of the original plan.

Yeah, but just based on his past posts and comments, I don't think that's what Bill or anyone was saying.

My bad, if true.

Some of the countries and city's that are doing better at containment now are also some that had some of the largest outbreaks. That certainly helps people remember to be more careful. Having a good amount of your population with at least some kind of immunity(How ever long that lasts) helps lower R0 to the point where testing and contact testing is more effective.

Mayor Holt has called a special meeting for July 16th that will jointly feature City Council and the Oklahoma City-County Board of Health.

The purpose is to discuss Covid-19 issues.


Holt recently posted to Twitter:


As I said last week, this pandemic is a long term challenge & long term challenges require long term responses that are created through a democratic process & are supported by comprehensive enforcement mechanisms.
Mayor David Holt
@davidfholt
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Jul 7
As the mitigation aspects of our pandemic response re-enter the realm of representative democracy, please reach out to your Councilmembers to let them know your views.

Be well, OKC. Wear your mask.

Stitt presser pushed to 4:45 since he is at the police funeral in Tulsa.

Saw a picture of the funeral. Packed house with not a mask in sight. Not a great look again.

Stitt presser pushed to 4:45 since he is at the police funeral in Tulsa.

Saw a picture of the funeral. Packed house with not a mask in sight. Not a great look again.

Has officer Zarkeshan recovered? Being a police officer is hard, and I would think it would be hell on the families.

Some of the countries and city's that are doing better at containment now are also some that had some of the largest outbreaks. That certainly helps people remember to be more careful. Having a good amount of your population with at least some kind of immunity(How ever long that lasts) helps lower R0 to the point where testing and contact testing is more effective.

I think those counties and cities had much longer shut downs too. I know I have family that live in Michigan and they had a ton of restriction but now they are in much better states than most. I posted back in May we would hit 500 cases and everyone thought i was crazy. The first phase of opening really didn't do much even the second phase. it was the 3rd phase where everything opened back up, Memorial Day, and yes I believe protest all helped the numbers spiked. Now we are to the point of really no return. Wearing mask might not even get it under control. If there ever was a time to flatten the curve again it's now and in order to do so I think we need to go back to phase one of the opening maybe 2.

This line from that article was prescient -



This has been my concern. I didn't have a problem (and in fact supported) with our reopen plan, but I thought there was going to be more planning/steps in place for moving backwards if and when needed.

I didn't have a problem with the plan either, but they didn't follow the plan and basically just said, "Screw it, we're reopening."

I have learned the council meeting on the 16th is "informational." Not sure what that means but I don't think we can afford to go another week with inaction.

The KFOR story about ICU beds is back up, and real. We are running out and we are spiking in new hospitalizations.

I wish Mayor Holt would just bite the bullet and take action prior to the meeting, and then allow a council vote to make it permanent. He was essentially abandoned by Bynum over the rally situation and I don't think he can afford to wait to bring Bynum on board.

It's staggering to thing that tiny Stilwell, OK took action on masks before OKC and Tulsa.

Absolutely nobody expected these record-high numbers in so many places.

Please provide proof of where this was ever mentioned by anyone making decisions about Covid-19.No one in charge did. But how could they not know if a basic guy like me could see it was going to happen.

Yeah, but just based on his past posts and comments, I don't think that's what Bill or anyone was saying.

Actually I’m saying it wasn’t expected by our leaders but should have been.

Stitt presser pushed to 4:45 since he is at the police funeral in Tulsa.

Saw a picture of the funeral. Packed house with not a mask in sight. Not a great look again.

Just saw a picture. Where are the masks?! And these are, in large part, LEOs!

I feel like I'm living in some bizzaro world when I think of the cautious, isolated life I'm leading right now and then I see pictures like that....... and yet we have people wondering how it is spreading like wildfire. Oof. It is infuriating and just means I'll be cooped up in my house even longer.

Just saw a picture. Where are the masks?! And these are, in large part, LEOs!

I feel like I'm living in some bizzaro world when I think of the cautious, isolated life I'm leading right now and then I see pictures like that....... and yet we have people wondering how it is spreading like wildfire. Oof. It is infuriating and just means I'll be cooped up in my house even longer.
I could not possibly agree more!

I think the reopening would have worked if people would have took to heart that they needed to social distance and wear a mask. At the least social distance. There should have been more then just signs up at local stores. It needed to be enforced. A friend in another state told me that a major chain store was asking people to leave if they did not social distance in the store. It would take a few of the major stores taking this seriously. If they did and your major grocery and home goods type stores, restaurants etc did this, and a few people got thrown out, word would spread, you have to do this or else. But no everyone wanted to go back into their fairytale world that everything is just fine.

Of course no mask mandate, he just says you should “consider” wearing a mask SMH.

So our goal is to hit 2,000 cases a day? We are doing so well. Covid is over. Oklahoma County is low risk in the yellow. Woo hoo. SMH

Stitt: We have handled this better than any other state. I'm not comfortable with mandating masks. We're not going to mandate masks in the state of Oklahoma. We're not going to "mask-shame" either.

Stitt: We have handled this better than any other state. I'm not comfortable with mandating masks. We're not going to mandate masks in the state of Oklahoma. We're not going to "mask-shame" either.

We're also f***ed.

Channel 4 just asked some questions and it does sound like only nasal swabs are being counted. Great so rapid test are not so our numbers are even higher. SMH We are f***ed

Absolutely nobody expected these record-high numbers in so many places.

Please provide proof of where this was ever mentioned by anyone making decisions about Covid-19.

THE CORONAVIRUS CRISIS
Fauci Estimates That 100,000 To 200,000 Americans Could Die From The Coronavirus
March 29, 20202:17 PM ET

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/03/29/823517467/fauci-estimates-that-100-000-to-200-000-americans-could-die-from-the-coronavirus


STAY SAFE WEAR MASKS

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I'm talking about decision-makers like the mayors, governors or the president.

They are the ones dictating policy, such as openings, restrictions, masks.