I have a teacher in my family who would be forced to enter that virus sponge every day. Our schools are filthy on a good day. There were rats at Classen SAS. Schools will be death traps for faculty and staff.

People are being delusional right now because they have refused to take this seriously, but suddenly want everything to go back to “normal.” It ain’t happening in this state in this country any time soon because people are just too stupid and selfish to do the right thing and our president issues medical disinformation on a daily basis.

The discussions regarding returning to school amount to posturing. I cannot imagine the lawsuits that will ensue if they are dumb enough to go through with reopening.

You are oversimplifying an extremely complex and important issue, especially as Pete mentioned above, for people who completely rely on schools as a daycare so that they can go to work. Reopening schools is far from dumb and will in many ways be necessary for a myriad of reasons. The goal should be figuring out how to do it safely, not figuring out how to avoid doing it at all.

I have a teacher in my family who would be forced to enter that virus sponge every day. Our schools are filthy on a good day. There were rats at Classen SAS. Schools will be death traps for faculty and staff.

People are being delusional right now because they have refused to take this seriously, but suddenly want everything to go back to “normal.” It ain’t happening in this state in this country any time soon because people are just too stupid and selfish to do the right thing and our president issues medical disinformation on a daily basis.

The discussions regarding returning to school amount to posturing. I cannot imagine the lawsuits that will ensue if they are dumb enough to go through with reopening.

this has little basis in reality

What was the highest number of hospitalizations this spring?

KocoDillon posts a good graph daily.

https://twitter.com/kocodillon/status/1280896237420589056?s=21

I just looked at Italy’s data, and it shows similar trends to that described above. Their total cases peaked sometime in early April and their deaths peaked around mid-April. The interesting thing about the death curve is that it really ramped up about a week after the first cases started rolling in. The death curve didn’t stay flat either. It really ramped up quickly. I’m trying to look for any ray of positivity right now, and the best that I can find is that our growth rates look nothing like NYC and Italy early on. I’m not saying they won’t ramp up, but maybe we’ll flatten the death curve a bit with our current knowledge.

The caveat with comparing directly to NYC and Italy is the relative proportion of older folks impacted early on in this disease. Clearly, our current case counts are affecting a younger class therefore the death trends should be different.
According to the weekly OSDH report Symptoms to hospitalizations have a 6 day median time. Symptoms to death have a 14 day median time.

this has little basis in reality

Seems spot on to me.....




STAY SAFE WEAR MASKS

Better have the schools open this Fall. All I’m saying.

Please, and I can't emphasize this enough, open the schools for brian72's sake.

OKC now has reported 3,022 cases and Tulsa 2,980.

But OKC has a population of 649,000 to Tulsa's 400,000.

That means that per capita Tulsa's infection rate is fully 60% worse. And they have also been adding more cases than OKC in the last week.

https://looker-dashboards.ok.gov/embed/dashboards/79

Then it would be interesting to know if the 60% figure was present before Trump's rally.

The numbers coming out this week are pretty mind-numbing. By itself, it seems like we can attack this thing and win, but the response from the general public in Oklahoma and other southern states almost makes this entire thing feel so hopeless. I just don’t understand the “don’t tread on me crowd.”

I really hope the active case numbers don’t translate into deaths. I really hope that we have better treatments that will prevent a large number of deaths, but we will just have to see.

At this point, we really need a vaccine...

The numbers coming out this week are pretty mind-numbing. By itself, it seems like we can attack this thing and win, but the response from the general public in Oklahoma and other southern states almost makes this entire thing feel so hopeless. I just don’t understand the “don’t tread on me crowd.”

I really hope the active case numbers don’t translate into deaths. I really hope that we have better treatments that will prevent a large number of deaths, but we will just have to see.

At this point, we really need a vaccine...

It won't work. It will.be like the flu. Since it has been mutating so much, we will never be able to pinpoint the right one. So we might as well live in fear for the rest of eternity.

I just don’t understand the “don’t tread on me crowd."

I can at least wrap my head around this thinking, although it's selfish and shortsighted. But watching the Edmond City Council I saw a lot of the organic food/vegan/conspiracy nut folks who were so misinformed about so many things and who had some pretty crazy science ideas. The lady crying about how we're poisoning kids making them breath their own CO2 and how keeping us from hugging is just one step in getting us to concentration camps and something involving Nazis (I couldn't follow the logic). It's this level of crazy being given a voice at these meetings that I can't wrap my head around in the least. I can't even blame politics for a lot of these folks because some of them fall much more on the far left side of the spectrum but then again that's the whole horseshoe theory for you.

It won't work. It will.be like the flu. Since it has been mutating so much, we will never be able to pinpoint the right one. So we might as well live in fear for the rest of eternity.

It actually has been slow to mutate. People also suggest diminished antibodies as a sign you won’t retain immunity. However, the body will retain T-cells which will help the immune system recognize the virus and fight it more effectively. That is how a vaccine can help.

It won't work. It will.be like the flu. Since it has been mutating so much, we will never be able to pinpoint the right one. So we might as well live in fear for the rest of eternity.

Classic, jdizzle. Faulty flu comparison + misleading scientific claim = sweeping conclusion based on strawman argument.

It's actually impressive for someone to include so many logical fallacies and bad arguments in so few words.

You are oversimplifying an extremely complex and important issue, especially as Pete mentioned above, for people who completely rely on schools as a daycare so that they can go to work. Reopening schools is far from dumb and will in many ways be necessary for a myriad of reasons. The goal should be figuring out how to do it safely, not figuring out how to avoid doing it at all.

I completely understand the issues Pete raised. The reason it will be dumb is because it won’t be safe. I agree in fantasy land there might be a silver bullet making this something less than a public health debacle. I am all in favor of people smarter than me examining all of the scenarios to find a solution, but I don’t see much evidence of that happening.

Teachers should not have to be exposed to a deadly virus, and their families by extension, unless it is safe to do so. Also, kids will get it and bring it home with them, causing more community spread.

This country completely screwed the pooch in dealing with the virus, leaving us with few options to resume seeing much of what we resemble as normal life.

It actually has been slow to mutate. People also suggest diminished antibodies as a sign you won’t retain immunity. However, the body will retain T-cells which will help the immune system recognize the virus and fight it more effectively. That is how a vaccine can help.
And there has NEVER been the motivation to find a vaccine like there is for this virus.

Classic, jdizzle. Faulty flu comparison + misleading scientific claim = sweeping conclusion based on strawman argument.

It's actually impressive for someone to include so many logical fallacies and bad arguments in so few words.

Which part is actually wrong, though? The virus appears to have mutated multiple times since the vaccine trials started, meaning the vaccine will most likely already be outdated.

Which part is actually wrong, though? The virus appears to have mutated multiple times since the vaccine trials started, meaning the vaccine will most likely already be outdated.

Not really. This thing is mutating slowly and what mutations it has had aren't changing the fundamentals of what vaccines are targeting:

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/what-to-know-about-mutation-and-covid-19#What-this-means-for-a-vaccine

https://www.npr.org/2020/06/25/883557549/how-mutations-in-the-coronavirus-may-affect-development-of-the-vaccine

https://twitter.com/peytonyager/status/1280954832208232451



Peyton Yager
@peytonyager

OKLAHOMA Hospital STATUS:

0% availability ICU beds:
INTEGRIS SW Medical OKC
Select specialty hospital OKC
INTEGRIS Baptist Enid
INTEGRIS Baptist Portland OKC
St. John Medical - Tulsa
Hillcrest Hospital S. Tulsa
Mercy Hospital Ardmore
Mercy Hospital OKC
INTEGRIS Grove
Norman Regional

https://twitter.com/peytonyager/status/1280954832208232451

Well that is less than ideal.

Well that is less than ideal.

Everything is fine No need to worry just wear a mask. That is what will be said by our leaders. What they should be saying is we are rolling back to phase 1 but we all know that will never happen.

Is the reason people are not taking it seriously is cause they don't see it for themselves? Even I have to ask where are all these sick people. I turn on the local news I see they same people. I go to my local food place I see the same people. Meaning no one has gotten sick at these places so surly I can't get sick either right?

Everything is fine No need to worry just wear a mask. That is what will be said by our leaders. What they should be saying is we are rolling back to phase 1 but we all know that will never happen.

Is the reason people are not taking it seriously is cause they don't see it for themselves? Even I have to ask where are all these sick people. I turn on the local news I see they same people. I go to my local food place I see the same people. Meaning no one has gotten sick at these places so surly I can't get sick either right?

A good friend told me in April: Okies are no match for an invisible enemy.

I completely understand the issues Pete raised. The reason it will be dumb is because it won’t be safe. I agree in fantasy land there might be a silver bullet making this something less than a public health debacle. I am all in favor of people smarter than me examining all of the scenarios to find a solution, but I don’t see much evidence of that happening.

Teachers should not have to be exposed to a deadly virus, and their families by extension, unless it is safe to do so. Also, kids will get it and bring it home with them, causing more community spread.

This country completely screwed the pooch in dealing with the virus, leaving us with few options to resume seeing much of what we resemble as normal life.

Fair point.

Select specialty Hospital is a joke of a place. Personal experience. Wouldn't want to be in ICU there.

https://twitter.com/peytonyager/status/1280954832208232451

The Tweet is gone now. Is she a legit source? If these numbers are real that is harrowing.

The Tweet is gone now. Is she a legit source? If these numbers are real that is harrowing.

I assume so; her bio says she works for KFOR and looks legit. There may have been some bad info in there and she decided to remove it, if so I apologize for sharing it. But I think she is legitimate, at least.

Which part is actually wrong, though? The virus appears to have mutated multiple times since the vaccine trials started, meaning the vaccine will most likely already be outdated.

Everything in your response shows scientific misunderstandings and contradicts experts. I don't think you understand what "mutation" means or how it applies to COVID-19 so you might start there. PoliSciGuy provided links if you'd like to learn more. I am not going to try to write an essay on these topics as there is plenty of available info from credible sources online, but I know enough to identify misinformation and logical fallacies when I see them.

So this seems like what should've been/should be done. Not mine, copied from the net.

A national program of free, regular COVID-19 testing for everyone, managed by a Pandemic Testing Board that would coordinate the data and provide consistent access. This includes expanding drive through test sites and test availability until no one has to wait, or to expose themselves to potential risk, to be tested for COVID-19.

A national program of contact tracing that starts with at least 100,000 new hires and is dedicated to doing nothing but tracking COVID-19 cases, their contacts, and their progress through the healthcare system or in self-isolation. This would work in conjunction with states that are currently throwing up their hands at the impossibility of working through contacts with the available resources.

A consistently managed, sustainable supply chain for PPE, test kits, and safety gear for healthcare workers. Four months into the pandemic, states are again complaining that masks, gowns, gloves, and face shields are all in short supply, just as cases are surging.

A team dedicated to looking ahead to needs that may crop up in the future, rather than just addressing the requests of states at the moment.

A national promise to provide healthcare workers with:
- priority access to supplies of PPE.
- additional pay for placing themselves at risk.
- free housing to workers coming into crisis points.
- information hotlines and trustworthy on-line consultation.
- emotional-health support and psychological first aid with a promise that seeking help will not impact future employment.
- emergency leave for workers who get sick, or need to care for a sick family member.

A coordinated global effort to develop treatments and vaccines

A guarantee that therapies and vaccines for COVID-19 will be made available to everyone, without allowing price gouging that limits benefits to the wealthy.

Consistent national guidelines for reopening businesses and schools that include protections for worker safety, guaranteed sick leave, and guaranteed leave for those caring for a family member. Also, provide systems by which consumers could know that stores were following safety guidelines and were “Safer for Shoppers” while providing small businesses with a “restart package” that would help them retain existing workers and hire new workers while dealing with necessary changes to their business.

Additional funding and testing to the elderly so that they can safely obtain the things they need and get care without facing increased risk.

So this seems like what should've been/should be done. Not mine, copied from the net.

A national program of free, regular COVID-19 testing for everyone, managed by a Pandemic Testing Board that would coordinate the data and provide consistent access. This includes expanding drive through test sites and test availability until no one has to wait, or to expose themselves to potential risk, to be tested for COVID-19.

A national program of contact tracing that starts with at least 100,000 new hires and is dedicated to doing nothing but tracking COVID-19 cases, their contacts, and their progress through the healthcare system or in self-isolation. This would work in conjunction with states that are currently throwing up their hands at the impossibility of working through contacts with the available resources.

A consistently managed, sustainable supply chain for PPE, test kits, and safety gear for healthcare workers. Four months into the pandemic, states are again complaining that masks, gowns, gloves, and face shields are all in short supply, just as cases are surging.

A team dedicated to looking ahead to needs that may crop up in the future, rather than just addressing the requests of states at the moment.

A national promise to provide healthcare workers with:
- priority access to supplies of PPE.
- additional pay for placing themselves at risk.
- free housing to workers coming into crisis points.
- information hotlines and trustworthy on-line consultation.
- emotional-health support and psychological first aid with a promise that seeking help will not impact future employment.
- emergency leave for workers who get sick, or need to care for a sick family member.

A coordinated global effort to develop treatments and vaccines

A guarantee that therapies and vaccines for COVID-19 will be made available to everyone, without allowing price gouging that limits benefits to the wealthy.

Consistent national guidelines for reopening businesses and schools that include protections for worker safety, guaranteed sick leave, and guaranteed leave for those caring for a family member. Also, provide systems by which consumers could know that stores were following safety guidelines and were “Safer for Shoppers” while providing small businesses with a “restart package” that would help them retain existing workers and hire new workers while dealing with necessary changes to their business.

Additional funding and testing to the elderly so that they can safely obtain the things they need and get care without facing increased risk.

This is America we don't do that here.

I assume so; her bio says she works for KFOR and looks legit. There may have been some bad info in there and she decided to remove it, if so I apologize for sharing it. But I think she is legitimate, at least.

Stitt probably got involved goes against his motto on how well we are doing. SMH

The Tweet is gone now. Is she a legit source? If these numbers are real that is harrowing.
The story was on KFOR’s web site also. I’ve left work so I can’t look to see if it’s still there.

Was browsing the OKC Masked and Unmasked group and saw a bunch of posts about various restaurants' workers in OKC city limits not wearing masks and the commenters were asking what to do. Holt said to call 911 in his declaration, and other commenters said that too, but *tons* of them said "Well, I don't want to be a Karen and report that" or "The police have enough to do", or "some other BS". Why *wouldn't* you call 911 - it's literally a public health emergency right now...

If I'd not paid attention and knew that they were encouraging folks to call 911, I don't think I would have felt comfortable calling in about it. I'd assume it was something to report to a city department.

On the plus side, net hospitalizations decreased by 5 https://twitter.com/kassiemcclung/status/1281002530433007616?s=21

Was browsing the OKC Masked and Unmasked group and saw a bunch of posts about various restaurants' workers in OKC city limits not wearing masks and the commenters were asking what to do. Holt said to call 911 in his declaration, and other commenters said that too, but *tons* of them said "Well, I don't want to be a Karen and report that" or "The police have enough to do", or "some other BS". Why *wouldn't* you call 911 - it's literally a public health emergency right now... That'll be a full time job calling in on people. Good luck with that. :cool:

Was browsing the OKC Masked and Unmasked group and saw a bunch of posts about various restaurants' workers in OKC city limits not wearing masks and the commenters were asking what to do. Holt said to call 911 in his declaration, and other commenters said that too, but *tons* of them said "Well, I don't want to be a Karen and report that" or "The police have enough to do", or "some other BS". Why *wouldn't* you call 911 - it's literally a public health emergency right now...Good question. And another feather in the people just don’t get it cap. If we were gonna to restaurants yet I would in a heartbeat.

Was browsing the OKC Masked and Unmasked group and saw a bunch of posts about various restaurants' workers in OKC city limits not wearing masks and the commenters were asking what to do. Holt said to call 911 in his declaration, and other commenters said that too, but *tons* of them said "Well, I don't want to be a Karen and report that" or "The police have enough to do", or "some other BS". Why *wouldn't* you call 911 - it's literally a public health emergency right now...

I think “being a Karen” would have to include staying there while making a scene and turning your 911 call into a public spectacle.

If you see that they aren’t masked and don’t follow directions, leave for your own safety and call 911 from your car while driving away.

Regarding schools: there are also already a lot of folks saying that they won’t make their kids wear masks and if masks are required they won’t let their kids go to school.

So maybe if enough of those folks stick to their guns it will result in smaller class sizes for kids who wear masks.

That'll be a full time job calling in on people. Good luck with that. :cool:

WTF? You go in a restaurant, you see employees without masks, you call 911 and then walk out (or vice versa, as was just posted), it's not that hard. Oh yeah, you're part of the problem....

If I'd not paid attention and knew that they were encouraging folks to call 911, I don't think I would have felt comfortable calling in about it. I'd assume it was something to report to a city department.

Some said report it to the Health Dept., but I'm not sure they have any enforcement power over mask wearing. Calling 911 and having a police presence there giving out warnings and fines will make people aware that this is serious sh*t real quick. Of course, it's only for OKC (and Norman and Stillwater, I guess), and people have said they knew that they could call 911, but won't.

Regarding schools: there are also already a lot of folks saying that they won’t make their kids wear masks and if masks are required they won’t let their kids go to school.

So maybe if enough of those folks stick to their guns it will result in smaller class sizes for kids who wear masks.

Yay, just what we need, more uneducated people....

The US is truly ****ed, just wait until Sep/Oct.

Yay, just what we need, more uneducated people....

The US is truly ****ed, just wait until Sep/Oct. Here's what you do. Stay home and get your food delivered. Keep calm my friend.

Texas and Florida both had 10,000 new cases today.

U.S. set another 1-day record with 62,000.

Arizona and Louisana rapidly rising with cases per capita and will soon be at the very top of the list.

Here's what you do. Stay home and get your food delivered. Keep calm my friend.
This is the bull**** I can't stand. The mask-wearers should stay home? Nah - the people that can't be bothered to care about anyone else by wearing a mask when inside should stay home.

If I have to enter a place—and I barely go anywhere right now—I just ask the employees, why won't you wear a mask to protect my health? Try to get an answer and let them know I'll go to businesses that care about my health. Maybe follow up and ask if they know about the mask ordinance (if one is in place). I don't make a scene and I'm not sure it makes sense to call 911 unless the situation is really dangerous.

Here's what you do. Stay home and get your food delivered. Keep calm my friend.

We'll come back and revisit my post in a few months....

This is the bull**** I can't stand. The mask-wearers should stay home? Nah - the people that can't be bothered to care about anyone else by wearing a mask when inside should stay home.

Brian is on the record stating he believes Bill Gates is going to plant micro chips in us through the vaccine, so don’t really waste any time on interacting with someone so delusional, not worth it.

If I have to enter a place—and I barely go anywhere right now—I just ask the employees, why won't you wear a mask to protect my health? Try to get an answer and let them know I'll go to businesses that care about my health. Maybe follow up and ask if they know about the mask ordinance (if one is in place). I don't make a scene and I'm not sure it makes sense to call 911 unless the situation is really dangerous.

I appreciate the sentiment behind that, but isn't it too late for being nice now? It's kinda like Captain Sandy in Below Deck Med with her always trying to have her crew work things out amongst themselves instead of just firing someone (that's been her strategy multiple times since the show started). Sometimes it just is not going to work itself out because some people are just not going to get along with each other, ever, period, so one has to go. I'd assume that every restaurant/bar worker in OKC knows by now that they have to wear a mask, so if they're not, then call the police (as d-usa said, leave, call 911 while driving off, don't make a scene). Of course, that doesn't apply anywhere else because we have no other mask mandate in place.

Wait, so we do need police now?

i thought we were Defunding them since they so bad?

Brian is on the record stating he believes Bill Gates is going to plant micro chips in us through the vaccine, so don’t really waste any time on interacting with someone so delusional, not worth it. That was trolling my friend. I figured you would've gotten that.

That was trolling my friend. I figured you would've gotten that.

Given the tenor and lack of critical thinking in your other posts, I thought it was genuine.

There are so pissed of people in Norman. Wow I guess they would rather have things shut down again then. Would they be happier to be out of a job or to wear a mask? What i mean by that if things keep getting worse people are going to stop going out and businesses are going to be closing.

There are so pissed of people in Norman. Wow I guess they would rather have things shut down again then. Would they be happier to be out of a job or to wear a mask? What i mean by that if things keep getting worse people are going to stop going out and businesses are going to be closing.

Vocal minority. If you look at the city council and mayor it shows that many people support this council. I would be very very surprised if they get a recall. 25% signature of each ward is near impossible.

Then it would be interesting to know if the 60% figure was present before Trump's rally.

Some in TULSA think the surge is connected to the rally.

https://apnews.com/ad96548245e186382225818d8dc416eb

Some in TULSA think the surge is connected to the rally.

https://apnews.com/ad96548245e186382225818d8dc416eb

OKC increases with the Tulsa tallies definitely point to the protest

OKC increases with the Tulsa tallies definitely point to the protest

Not according to the paid contact tracers and the OKC City County Health Department. They affirmed this week that the spread is occurring from the following: Bars, Weddings, Gymns, Funerals, Church Activities, Family Gatherings and Other Small Gatherings.

Notably, both the mayor and the director of the OCCHD both stated that protests were not a cause of the current spike.

Makes sense since the protests happened outside and most of the participants wore masks.

Not according to the paid contact tracers and the OKC City County Health Department. They affirmed this week that the spread is occurring from the following: Bars, Weddings, Gymns, Funerals, Church Activities, Family Gatherings and Other Small Gatherings.



Apparently, cases can not be traced to the Trump Rally in Tulsa?

Apparently, cases can not be traced to the Trump Rally in Tulsa?

Why would the Oklahoma County Health Department be doing contact tracing in Tulsa County?

From Tulsa City/County Health Department
https://apnews.com/ad96548245e186382225818d8dc416eb

Why would the Oklahoma County Health Department be doing contact tracing in Tulsa County?

I don't know. I was wondering if anybody in OKC thought they got the virus at the Tulsa Trump Rally.

Apparently, cases can not be traced to the Trump Rally in Tulsa?

That is not what I said. The Tulsa Health official said they have traced cases to the Trump rally. I was referencing the claim that OKC’s surge related to the protests.

The Tulsa Health official said they have traced cases to the Trump rally.

I haven't seen that anyone has reported any cases traced to the rally. I did see the one official speculating that various large events "likely" contributed to the surge. Has there been any actually traced cases to the rally?