No, they are not included, according to the director of the Save Our State page last night.

I believe that was in reference to the antibody tests, not the rapid tests. Or are they the same?

Since you bring up NY, i am glad Oklahoma didnt mimic every mandate that Cuomo made. If Oklahoma did we would already have many more deaths.

Based on what? Specifically, what did Cuomo do that relates to the OKC situation? If you are comparing the NYC situation to Oklahoma then you have probably never been to NYC. But please tell us the decisions up there and how it justifies our inaction here? Educate us with FACTs please.

Just read that integris is running out of space, and they are opening an over-flow location. That same article also referenced diminishing ppe again.

We're screwed if there isn't another lockdown put into place.

This is not great.

https://mobile.twitter.com/kocodillon/status/1280555437990043648?s=21

Just read that integris is running out of space, and they are opening an over-flow location. That same article also referenced diminishing ppe again.

We're screwed if there isn't another lockdown put into place.

Has Integris stopped elective surgeries at all locations or did the article mention this?

Elective surgeries need to be stopped, municipalities need to enact face mask requirements. We’re in the early stages of this but it’s pretty clear the next 6 weeks are gonna suck, and that’s before things get bad in the fall.

I believe that was in reference to the antibody tests, not the rapid tests. Or are they the same?They aren’t the same. But it was verified a number of pages ago that quick tests are not on the daily numbers. So the numbers reported are probably low. Then there’s this from June 24:

"Our best estimate right now is that for every case that's reported, there actually are 10 other infections," Dr. Robert Redfield, director of the CDC, said on a call with reporters Thursday”.

So there’s a lot of people out there spreading this virus. It’s very scary.

Elective surgeries need to be stopped, municipalities need to enact face mask requirements. We’re in the early stages of this but it’s pretty clear the next 6 weeks are gonna suck, and that’s before things get bad in the fall.
Wasn’t the assumption that it would get worse again in the fall based on the assumption that it would back off some during the summer. Which it hasn’t. Just one more thing about this damn virus that we just don’t know.

And shopping at Aldi's and no one is social distancing. Seems like people are thinking all is normal.

Wasn’t the assumption that it would get worse again in the fall based on the assumption that it would back off some during the summer. Which it hasn’t. Just one more thing about this damn virus that we just don’t know.

This will probably work out quite the opposite. Heat and cold temps drive people indoors, so we'll probably see spikes in the summer and winter. I bet it backs off in the fall and spring when people get back outdoors.

But it hasn't been that hot yet, so I'm not sure I buy the "everyone's inside" argument.

And if that is true, the next few weeks will get a lot worse.

Based on what? Specifically, what did Cuomo do that relates to the OKC situation? If you are comparing the NYC situation to Oklahoma then you have probably never been to NYC. But please tell us the decisions up there and how it justifies our inaction here? Educate us with FACTs please.

He was just making a drive-by troll post. If Cuomo did anything wrong it was waiting too long to take action. Everything since has been effective and it is laughable that the troller thinks Oklahoma has done better.

Elective surgeries need to be stopped, municipalities need to enact face mask requirements. We’re in the early stages of this but it’s pretty clear the next 6 weeks are gonna suck, and that’s before things get bad in the fall.

The absolute last thing this state and country needs is for more hospitals to shut down. The initial halt of elective procedures caused more financial burden on hospitals than the virus has. This state already has hospitals on the brink of closing.

This will probably work out quite the opposite. Heat and cold temps drive people indoors, so we'll probably see spikes in the summer and winter. I bet it backs off in the fall and spring when people get back outdoors.

Zero facts or evidence support this.

With a pretty much known positivity rate and pretty much known number of tests conducted over the past couple days today’s number, and high numbers for the foreseeable future, have to be expected. And the three cities that had council meetings last night had to know this and did nothing. I really don’t think we’ll ever see a shut down. I’m skeptical we’ll ever see mask mandates.

We won't have a choice to shut things down if we have no more hospitals beds. I was just going to comment on those council meetings. There are too many anti mask people out there. A mask mandate isn't going to work. I think we have already proven that in the 5 short days Oklahoma City has had it in place for restaurant and bars. Many people still reporting people not wearing mask. Those council meetings unfortunately proved people won't wear mask. I guess they would rather be out of jobs? I don't know but what i do know is when people no longer can get into a hospital there is going to be major issues.

Wasn’t the assumption that it would get worse again in the fall based on the assumption that it would back off some during the summer. Which it hasn’t. Just one more thing about this damn virus that we just don’t know.

No, this was not an assumption by experts. It was a proposed hypothesis from some, but most experts I paid attention to said they did not think the virus would be seasonal.

Taking a hypothesis by some and changing it into an assumption by all is really dangerous because it undermines the hard work experts have been doing to inform the public.

Zero facts or evidence support this.

It's is so disappointing when a poster offers an opinion—in this case a plausible one—and someone else comes in and shoots it down as lacking "evidence" and provides... [wait for it]... zero evidence or explanation to support their stance.

Of course, there is a lot of evidence that COVID-19 spreads much more indoors (a recent study suggests 20 times more inside than outside) and if more people are spending time inside that it's possible that could result in more spread. Of course, this depends also on how much intermixing, mask wearing, and other factors there is...

A side point on discourse is that C_M_25 actually offered a worthwhile contribution to this board with their post while soonerguru offered nothing of substance.

Trump rally kicking in.

But OKC has more cases than Tulsa. What's kicking in for OKC?

He was just making a drive-by troll post. If Cuomo did anything wrong it was waiting too long to take action. Everything since has been effective and it is laughable that the troller thinks Oklahoma has done better.

Oh, you would trade Oklahoma’s death rate for New York’s?

Very interesting.

But OKC has more cases than Tulsa. What's kicking in for OKC?

OKC now has reported 3,022 cases and Tulsa 2,980.

But OKC has a population of 649,000 to Tulsa's 400,000.

That means that per capita Tulsa's infection rate is fully 60% worse. And they have also been adding more cases than OKC in the last week.

https://looker-dashboards.ok.gov/embed/dashboards/79

It's is so disappointing when a poster offers an opinion—in this case a plausible one—and someone else comes in and shoots it down as lacking "evidence" and provides... [wait for it]... zero evidence or explanation to support their stance.

The claim, if I read right, was that heat and cold will "drive people inside". The counter claim was "no evidence". If there is "no evidence", it seems far fetched to expect written, documented evidence.

If the claim is "it will make people go indoors, therefore, due to it spreading easier indoors, it will cause cases to jump" then I don't know how you expect evidence for that as we haven't had a summer with covid...

Also, it isn't the responsibility of the counter claimant in that instance to have to be the bearer of affirmation. The original claim should be supported or not made as an assumption.

Also:

Tulsa County: 4,365 positive cases on 651,552 population
OK County: 3,819 cases on 797,434 population

That's 40% more per capita for Tulsa County.

But OKC has more cases than Tulsa. What's kicking in for OKC?

Is this a serious question?

We won't have a choice to shut things down if we have no more hospitals beds. I was just going to comment on those council meetings. There are too many anti mask people out there. A mask mandate isn't going to work. I think we have already proven that in the 5 short days Oklahoma City has had it in place for restaurant and bars. Many people still reporting people not wearing mask. Those council meetings unfortunately proved people won't wear mask. I guess they would rather be out of jobs? I don't know but what i do know is when people no longer can get into a hospital there is going to be major issues.

Okies are freaking hard headed but they aren’t that different than people elsewhere. I would propose a $400 fine to start, the same penalty you receive for simple marijuana possession. Most would follow it, and certainly a ton more that are now.

To your point, EVEN BRAUM’s employees were suddenly masked now that we have a law in OKC, so I disagree entirely with your premise. Even if we only got 80% compliance, that would be much more effective than what we are doing now.

It seems odd the reports still seem centered around total cases, verses going to something with more focus on the estimate for active cases

But OKC has more cases than Tulsa. What's kicking in for OKC?

Tulsa has more cases and has for several days in a row.

Tulsa has more cases and has for several days in a row.

Read upthread where I posted the exact #'s from the state.

It's is so disappointing when a poster offers an opinion—in this case a plausible one—and someone else comes in and shoots it down as lacking "evidence" and provides... [wait for it]... zero evidence or explanation to support their stance.

Of course, there is a lot of evidence that COVID-19 spreads much more indoors (a recent study suggests 20 times more inside than outside) and if more people are spending time inside that it's possible that could result in more spread. Of course, this depends also on how much intermixing, mask wearing, and other factors there is...

A side point on discourse is that C_M_25 actually offered a worthwhile contribution to this board with their post while soonerguru offered nothing of substance.

I guess I owe C_M an apology. I must have misread his post. I will move my trigger finger away. Please excuse me for overreacting. There are at least five people here who constantly gaslight with outmoded and / or totally discredited information to the point that it is exhausting. C—M is not one of them.

My overreaction was fueled by the fact that our cases seem to spike regardless of weather so suggesting they may go down based on any change in seasonality has not been supported by the facts on the ground.

$400 is too light. I think $1,000 at the minimum. Then If they don't pay, round them up with their family and put them in some sorta camp. That'll slow the spread for sure. They can make mask and Hand sanitizer while there. :laughing_:laughing_:laughing_:laughing_:laughing_

No, this was not an assumption by experts. It was a proposed hypothesis from some, but most experts I paid attention to said they did not think the virus would be seasonal.

Taking a hypothesis by some and changing it into an assumption by all is really dangerous because it undermines the hard work experts have been doing to inform the public.

assumption: a thing that is accepted as true or as certain to happen, without proof

I didn’t say it was an assumption by experts. It was, by the above definition, an assumption made by many people because they accepted it as something that was definitely going to happen. Without any real proof.

Read upthread where I posted the exact #'s from the state.


Thank you. I think it is more relevant to post the two county stats, as you did.

It seems there was a misguided hope that warmer temps would somehow mitigate the spread of the virus.

But the simple truth is the surge in new cases is completely correlated with reopening of places like gyms, bars and churches.

So, of course, more people are going to be together inside and that doesn't have anything to do with the weather, hot or cold or in between.

It seems there was a misguided hope that warmer temps would somehow mitigate the spread of the virus.

But the simple truth is the surge in new cases is completely correlated with reopening of places like gyms, bars and churches.

So, of course, more people are going to be together inside and that doesn't have anything to do with the weather, hot or cold or in between.

This is what I was trying to say, which Pete said better. I didn’t mean to be harsh to C_M at all. Sorry, Dan, and more importantly, C_M.

We won't have a choice to shut things down if we have no more hospitals beds. I was just going to comment on those council meetings. There are too many anti mask people out there. A mask mandate isn't going to work. I think we have already proven that in the 5 short days Oklahoma City has had it in place for restaurant and bars. Many people still reporting people not wearing mask. Those council meetings unfortunately proved people won't wear mask. I guess they would rather be out of jobs? I don't know but what i do know is when people no longer can get into a hospital there is going to be major issues.
If I remember right I heard Stitt say specifically last week that he won’t shut things down again. So just as a matter of pride or whatever the right word might be I don’t think he will unless it gets pretty cold in hell.

But the simple truth is the surge in new cases is completely correlated with reopening of places like gyms, bars and churches.

Obviously that's what is driving a large part (if not most) of the curve, but I also think tourism shouldn't be underestimated. Looking at the breakdown by county, once you get past Oklahoma, Tulsa and Cleveland counties a large amount of the cases look to be in NE Oklahoma around the Grand Lake, Illinois River areas, if I'm reading the data correctly.

It seems there was a misguided hope that warmer temps would somehow mitigate the spread of the virus.

But the simple truth is the surge in new cases is completely correlated with reopening of places like gyms, bars and churches.

So, of course, more people are going to be together inside and that doesn't have anything to do with the weather, hot or cold or in between.

I've driven past Vasa Fitness several times in the past few weeks and that parking lot has been near full most of the time. With a bunch of people breathing hard in an indoor space, what could go wrong?

I just saw an ad for the Southwest Street Rod Nationals which they are still going to have this weekend. I just don’t get it. This will be the first Nationals I’ve ever not gone to but I won’t be there. There are much more important things right now than a bunch of sweet hot rods. I bet there will not be a good percentage of mask wearing either.

Based on what? Specifically, what did Cuomo do that relates to the OKC situation? If you are comparing the NYC situation to Oklahoma then you have probably never been to NYC. But please tell us the decisions up there and how it justifies our inaction here? Educate us with FACTs please.


Sending Recovering Covid patients back to nursing homes. I am glad Stitt did not follow this. Aren't you?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-york-sent-recovering-coronavirus-patients-to-nursing-homes-it-was-a-fatal-error-11589470773

I just saw an ad for the Southwest Street Rod Nationals which they are still going to have this weekend. I just don’t get it. This will be the first Nationals I’ve ever not gone to but I won’t be there. There are much more important things right now than a bunch of sweet hot rods. I bet there will not be a good percentage of mask wearing either.

As far as I know that Tattoo convention is still happening at the Cox Convention Center this weekend. I know they're requiring masks but even then I don't see how ANYONE thinks this is a good idea.

Cases in Edmond jumped up 46 from yesterday. I have been tracking Edmond. Seeing big jumps instead of a few.

I'm just wondering how public schools will be able to reopen. I saw Okcps plan but what about other area schools. What if the number of cases keeps climbing? I don't have any kids but if kids come home sick and spread it through their household, it effects all of us one way or another.

I'm just wondering how public schools will be able to reopen. I saw Okcps plan but what about other area schools. What if the number of cases keeps climbing? I don't have any kids but if kids come home sick and spread it through their household, it effects all of us one way or another.
I just saw an article that Florida ruled that schools HAVE to open for fall semester. And their governor says they’re doing fine. So at least we’re not the only ones with leaders that have their heads stuck in the sand.

Didn't Edmond say they were going to have teachers, staff, and middle/high school students wear a mask?

I'm just wondering how public schools will be able to reopen. I saw Okcps plan but what about other area schools. What if the number of cases keeps climbing? I don't have any kids but if kids come home sick and spread it through their household, it effects all of us one way or another.

In oklahoma, not one child has died from Covid as of July 2. i believe the youngest person to pass is between 15-24, and on another page it says the youngest person to pass was 22 years old.

https://coronavirus.health.ok.gov/sites/g/files/gmc786/f/weekly_epi_report_-_7-6-20.pdf

I think at this point, best case is college football in the spring.
There’s a petition, signed by 1300 including 342 staff and faculty basically asking OU to have as much remote functions as possible. If there isn’t much of a on campus presence of regular school activities then I bet there won’t be football.

In oklahoma, not one child has died from Covid as of July 2. i believe the youngest person to pass is between 15-24, and on another page it says the youngest person to pass was 22 years old.

https://coronavirus.health.ok.gov/sites/g/files/gmc786/f/weekly_epi_report_-_7-6-20.pdf

How many hospitalized? Incapacitated? There is a huge gap between healthy and death.

In oklahoma, not one child has died from Covid as of July 2. i believe the youngest person to pass is between 15-24, and on another page it says the youngest person to pass was 22 years old.

https://coronavirus.health.ok.gov/sites/g/files/gmc786/f/weekly_epi_report_-_7-6-20.pdf
Hundreds of adults congregate in schools every day. Teachers, staff, parents, etc.

In oklahoma, not one child has died from Covid as of July 2. i believe the youngest person to pass is between 15-24, and on another page it says the youngest person to pass was 22 years old.

https://coronavirus.health.ok.gov/sites/g/files/gmc786/f/weekly_epi_report_-_7-6-20.pdf

So, in the US there have been approximately 5% of all verified cases which end in death. Another percentage which will have temporary or long term health issues as a result of having it. Now they think there is damage in many who have no OUTWARD sign of having the virus. But you seem to be saying that because kids don't DIE from it, then all is okay, even if they spread it to others who eventually do DIE. Is that what you are indicating or am I misreading?

In oklahoma, not one child has died from Covid as of July 2. i believe the youngest person to pass is between 15-24, and on another page it says the youngest person to pass was 22 years old.

https://coronavirus.health.ok.gov/sites/g/files/gmc786/f/weekly_epi_report_-_7-6-20.pdf

I'm worried about the long term effects this will have on childrens health. Of course, there may be nothing to worry about but the lack of anything concrete is concerning as a parent.

Also of course, if a kid catches it so will their parents & probably their grandparents. Kids have a very relaxed sense of hygiene so schools are going to absolutely explode with spread.

My mother is in her mid 60s and just a couple of years from retirement as a teacher. It's great that kids haven't been dying (yet), but I'd rather my mother not die. I wish she was in a place to go ahead and retire now to avoid the risks this fall.

The claim, if I read right, was that heat and cold will "drive people inside". The counter claim was "no evidence". If there is "no evidence", it seems far fetched to expect written, documented evidence.

If the claim is "it will make people go indoors, therefore, due to it spreading easier indoors, it will cause cases to jump" then I don't know how you expect evidence for that as we haven't had a summer with covid...

Also, it isn't the responsibility of the counter claimant in that instance to have to be the bearer of affirmation. The original claim should be supported or not made as an assumption.

I could be misunderstanding your post (and forgive me if so), but you seem to have reduced my comment to requiring "evidence," including future evidence. All I requested is that we provide each other "evidence OR explanation to support their stance" so we can learn from each other. The original post was a reasonable contribution to the discussion about something that could happen. The response offered neither evidence nor reason for shooting down the other post. That was my complaint. I'd love to learn why soonerguru thinks the post was unreasonable or incorrect, but they offered nothing. It's intellectually (and literally) lazy.

I'm not trying to follow the rules of a debate team competition. Just asking that posters offer some evidence OR reasoning for shooting down someone else's post.


This is what I was trying to say, which Pete said better. I didn’t mean to be harsh to C_M at all. Sorry, Dan, and more importantly, C_M.

I appreciate you saying that. You don't owe me an apology and there's no hard feelings. All I was trying to point out is that I wanted to understand you're reasoning. As I've said before, I love this forum when I learn so I try to fight for that spirit in it. :)

$400 is too light. I think $1,000 at the minimum. Then If they don't pay, round them up with their family and put them in some sorta camp. That'll slow the spread for sure. They can make mask and Hand sanitizer while there. :laughing_:laughing_:laughing_:laughing_:laughing_


Why should I go to a "camp" if my wife is caught without a mask and doesn't pay?



STAY SAFE WEAR MASKS

Why should I go to a "camp" if my wife is caught without a mask and doesn't pay?



STAY SAFE WEAR MASKS

I'm pretty sure he is trolling.

https://occhd2.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/2c0fbe6497004e098cdb9678f4d33cc9 Only 62 cases according to this with a 7 day and 3 day average going down.

assumption: a thing that is accepted as true or as certain to happen, without proof

I didn’t say it was an assumption by experts. It was, by the above definition, an assumption made by many people because they accepted it as something that was definitely going to happen. Without any real proof.

Okay, I understand you. I don't think the idea it could be season was without proof though. There was some evidence from other viruses, but the counter evidence was stronger. The idea the virus was going to die out with heat seemed more like wishful thinking than anything to me. People were gravitating to the possibilities and evidence they wanted to be true.

There’s a petition, signed by 1300 including 342 staff and faculty basically asking OU to have as much remote functions as possible. If there isn’t much of a on campus presence of regular school activities then I bet there won’t be football.

Hate to say it but I see a lot of colleges push for in class. As funding at a state level has dried up they have to have bodies in seats and on campus to survive. Not the mention the businesses around Norman and Stillwater (maybe to a lesser degree Edmond) need that revenue to keep going.

OKC can learn from the hiccups of the EU countries. Many appear to have successfully reopened

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-school-reopen-millions-children-europe-asia-return-covid-guidlines-2020-05-21/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/18/french-minister-tells-of-risks-of-missing-school-as-more-pupils-return-covid-19

https://www.wsj.com/articles/is-it-safe-to-reopen-schools-these-countries-say-yes-11590928949

I think the main worry is having 50 million kids spreading the virus throughout every community in the country.

Remember when people on this board were lauding Sweden for their continuing life as normal approach?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/business/sweden-economy-coronavirus.html


More than three months later, the coronavirus is blamed for 5,420 deaths in Sweden, according to the World Health Organization. That might not sound especially horrendous compared with the more than 129,000 Americans who have died. But Sweden is a country of only 10 million people. Per million people, Sweden has suffered 40 percent more deaths than the United States, 12 times more than Norway, seven times more than Finland and six times more than Denmark.

The elevated death toll resulting from Sweden’s approach has been clear for many weeks. What is only now emerging is how Sweden, despite letting its economy run unimpeded, has still suffered business-destroying, prosperity-diminishing damage, and at nearly the same magnitude of its neighbors.

OKC can learn from the hiccups of the EU countries. Many appear to have successfully reopened

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-school-reopen-millions-children-europe-asia-return-covid-guidlines-2020-05-21/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/18/french-minister-tells-of-risks-of-missing-school-as-more-pupils-return-covid-19

https://www.wsj.com/articles/is-it-safe-to-reopen-schools-these-countries-say-yes-11590928949

The countries mentioned in these articles overall did a much better job at slowing the spread of this virus. These measures will only work in areas where the virus isn't spreading unchecked.