426 hospitalizations. We are now back to early April numbers.

From https://twitter.com/pmonies:

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/covidhosp070620a.jpg


http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/covidcases070620a.jpg

From https://twitter.com/pmonies:

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/covidhosp070620a.jpg

Do they have a chart that can be overlayed with deaths to compare?

The positive test rate for the last week was 4.6%.

Approximately one out of four people hospitalized will die.

Approximately one out of four people hospitalized will die.

Huh?

The Edmond City council meeting is certainly entertaining (and educational). The (new?) owner of The Real Cafe just got done with her anti-mask rant. They have UV lights at the doors so all's good there I guess...

There are another dozen or so folks waiting to speak if anyone is bored and wants to watch - http://edmondok.com/93/Watch-Live

Huh?
True. Sort of. Approx 1600 ever hospitalized, 400 total deaths. So 1 out of 4. But I’m pretty sure some of the deaths are never hospitalized so that’s not completely accurate. But still probably pretty close.

True. Sort of. Approx 1600 ever hospitalized, 400 total deaths. So 1 out of 4. But I’m pretty sure some of the deaths are never hospitalized so that’s not completely accurate. But still probably pretty close.

I think at least a quarter if not half the deaths were in nursing homes

Good tool from the financial times.

https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-chart/?areas=swe&areas=usa&areas=ita&areas=esp&areas=deu&areasRegional=usfl&areasRegional=ustx&areasRegional=usny&areasRegional=usnj&areasRegional=usga&areasRegional=usct&cumulative=0&logScale=0&perMillion=1&values=deaths

True. Sort of. Approx 1600 ever hospitalized, 400 total deaths. So 1 out of 4. But I’m pretty sure some of the deaths are never hospitalized so that’s not completely accurate. But still probably pretty close.

1,733 Long Term Care/Nursing home associated cases
Ÿ 1,080 (62.3%) of associated cases are among residents
Ÿ 653 (37.7%) of associated cases are among staff
206 deceased Long Term Care/Nursing Home cases

206 deceased in Long term Care/ Nursing homes leaving 193 deaths out of 1689 hospitalized. So a little more over 11% So lets just say 1 out of every 10?

I think at least a quarter if not half the deaths were in nursing homes
That is right. So the death to hospitalization ratio is much lower than 1 in 4.

That is right. So the death to hospitalization ratio is much lower than 1 in 4.

Correct. A few states that had high death rates forced nursing homes to take in COVID patients.

I think at least a quarter if not half the deaths were in nursing homes

Do nursing home deaths not count? The governor thinks it's totally safe for nursing homes to allow guests again.

The death numbers don't seem to matter to a significant segment of this forum regardless. A lot of Americans are totally cool with 130,000 deaths I guess.

Every year, we memorialize those lost in the OKC bombing, 168. We are up to at least 400 COVID-19 deaths in Oklahoma and counting and yet, there's just this ho-hum indifference to it by so many people. it is disturbing.

"Oh, but a lot of them were in nursing homes or old...."The point of previous posts was that there isn’t a 1 of 4 hospitalizations end in death ratio. Many of the deaths weren’t in hospitals. I will never downplay the horrible event that even one death represents.

The death numbers don't seem to matter to a significant segment of this forum regardless. A lot of Americans are totally cool with 130,000 deaths I guess.

Every year, we memorialize those lost in the OKC bombing, 168. We are up to at least 400 COVID-19 deaths in Oklahoma and counting and yet, there's just this ho-hum indifference to it by so many people. it is disturbing.

"Oh, but a lot of them were in nursing homes or old...."
It is not just the forum, a significant amount of people at Home Depot and Sam's Club were still not wearing masks today. Granted it was better than when I shopped 2 weeks ago but still pretty bad, maybe 70% masks at Sam's and 50% at Home Depot. I saw an old lady with a cane with a canister style painting respirator and a face shield on at Sam's. If she can breath through that, no reason for anyone else not to be wearing a cloth or clinical mask to keep their sneezes and coughs to themselves. I will start wearing my painting respirator if we start to get over 1000/cases a day.

The point of previous posts was that there isn’t a 1 of 4 hospitalizations end in death ratio. Many of the deaths weren’t in hospitals. I will never downplay the horrible event that even one death represents.

Amen. All deaths matter but I didn't want people to think that if they were hospitalized they had a 25% chance of dying that is not the case.

Also, even the asymptomatic folks are ending up with life-long lung damage: https://www.zmescience.com/medicine/covid-19-asymptomatic-lung-damage-0523532/

Focusing just on the death rate is dangerously myopic

Right. Utah Jazz center Rudy Gobert, 28, was the first NBA player to report testing positive for COVID-19 back in March. Three months later, he still hasn't fully recovered, Gobert told the French sports publication L'Equipe.

Days before his diagnosis, Gobert had made light of the pandemic when he jokingly touched every microphone during a news conference.

He later publicly apologized and urged the public to not fall into a false sense of security like he did.

"I wish I would have taken this thing more seriously, and I hope everyone else will do so," Gobert said.
Excerpted from: https://www.koco.com/article/7-myths-are-fueling-new-covid-19-surges-avoiding-these-will-help-save-lives-and-the-economy/33214227

The Edmond City council meeting is certainly entertaining (and educational). The (new?) owner of The Real Cafe just got done with her anti-mask rant. They have UV lights at the doors so all's good there I guess...

There are another dozen or so folks waiting to speak if anyone is bored and wants to watch - http://edmondok.com/93/Watch-Live

Aren't UV lights dangerous to the eyes, especially if you look directly at them?

Aren't UV lights dangerous to the eyes, especially if you look directly at them?
UVC lights shouldn’t be used when people are around. And they aren’t a magic cure. The ability to kill is based on intensity of exposure and amount of time. You can’t just walk by it at the door and be cleansed. If that is what they are hoping then they have been sold a bill of goods.

UVC lights shouldn’t be used when people are around. And they aren’t a magic cure. The ability to kill is based on intensity of exposure and amount of time. You can’t just walk by it at the door and be cleansed. If that is what they are hoping then they have been sold a bill of goods.

It ended up being just typical crazy for the night. There was also the owner of Roughhouse Gym who's fanatically anti-mask as well, but it's OK because she opens the big doors at the gym so it's just like being outside and social distancing. And the person who was crying about the thought of people being forced to re-inhale their own toxins (which was right after her rant about how masks don't block anything). Randall Shadid gave a pretty passionate speech in favor of mask regulations including pretty stiff fines (up to $1000 IIRC) and jail time. This was right after he called most of his fellow citizens selfish and a few other choice words, so he probably didn't make a lot of friends, but it was a good speech. There were 2 or 3 other people in favor of masks, but overwhelmingly the crowd was anti-mask and I could tell the council was leaning that way also.

I listen to this COVID Daily News podcast that really focuses on evidence-based research. They just did this review of what we know up to this point so it's a nice review for those that would like one: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-biggest-things-to-know-about-covid-19-in-one-place/id1506294446?i=1000482761653

UVC lights shouldn’t be used when people are around. And they aren’t a magic cure. The ability to kill is based on intensity of exposure and amount of time. You can’t just walk by it at the door and be cleansed. If that is what they are hoping then they have been sold a bill of goods.
High powered UVC lights may be able to disinfect the air of HVAC systems so businesses are not just recirculating respirators droplets full of covid.

High powered UVC lights may be able to disinfect the air of HVAC systems so businesses are not just recirculating respirators droplets full of covid.

There is way more to it than that. I have developed uvc light units for commercial air systems with a major Hvac manufacturer and units for water purification. I am also involved with a uvc firm working with LSU on application for Covid. Kill rates depend on intensity and time and other factors. It’s effectiveness drops off greatly with distance, speed of movement, temperature of the air, humidity, size of the droplets, intensity of the virus and its own durability. Not all microbials are affected the same way. There haven’t been definitive kill rates identified for covid. But it hasn’t stopped uvc peddlers from making claims to sell a few lights.

The Edmond City council meeting is certainly entertaining (and educational). The (new?) owner of The Real Cafe just got done with her anti-mask rant. They have UV lights at the doors so all's good there I guess...

There are another dozen or so folks waiting to speak if anyone is bored and wants to watch - http://edmondok.com/93/Watch-Live

Stillwater will try again for mandatory mask wear. The city council voted unanimously for it. A majority of the speakers supported adopting the mask ordinance. This, even though there are only two covid patients in the Stillwater hospital. But Stillwater has the 8th most number of cases with 378 as of Monday.
https://www.stwnewspress.com/news/local_news/early-adopter-stillwater-city-council-advances-mask-ordinance-for-residents/article_18453428-ace4-5310-9533-4a8d980ab81d.html

So Jerry, did the council enact anything, or is everything staying the same? I was outside working until dark so I missed it.

So Jerry, did the council enact anything, or is everything staying the same? I was outside working until dark so I missed it.

Apparently not.

https://kfor.com/news/edmond-city-council-meets-as-covid-19-cases-continue-to-rise/

Apparently not.

https://kfor.com/news/edmond-city-council-meets-as-covid-19-cases-continue-to-rise/

Yeah not was pretty obvious early on they weren't going to actually do anything. This meeting ended up mainly being about putting down rumors of any sort of business closings or mask requirements. Oh, and they declared they don't have to do something just because Holt does it. Dan O'Neil tried to argue that Edmond had nothing in place that would allow them to fine people or businesses on the chance they did impliment a mandate. The city manager had to correct him and let him know that yes, the city has the power to impliment fines and does so all the time for various codes and infractions. SMH.

Yeah not was pretty obvious early on they weren't going to actually do anything. This meeting ended up mainly being about putting down rumors of any sort of business closings or mask requirements. Oh, and they declared they don't have to do something just because Holt does it. Dan O'Neil tried to argue that Edmond had nothing in place that would allow them to fine people or businesses on the chance they did impliment a mandate. The city manager had to correct him and let him know that yes, the city has the power to impliment fines and does so all the time for various codes and infractions. SMH.

It's like a city council scene from Parks and Rec huh?

While the numbers in the table haven't updated yet for me, if the updated banner on the OSDH website is accurate we're in for an 858 case day. Showing 17,220 vs. 16,362 yesterday.

Wow just wow is all I have to say about today's numbers. Action is going to be needed to be taken

Yep, 858 (!!!) new cases; 5 more have died.

52 new hospitalizations with a net increase of 35.

4.9% positive test rate.

The next two weeks are likely to be brutal given all the 4th of July celebrations and current trend.

I'm starting to worry about reopening schools and getting back to any type of sports this year.

Yep, 858 (!!!) new cases; 5 more have died.

52 new hospitalizations with a net increase of 35.

4.9% positive test rate.

Like I've been saying I don't want to shut down but a shut down is the only way at this point

https://www.koco.com/article/new-york-adds-oklahoma-to-covid-19-quarantine-list/33234689

No surprise here...

The next two weeks are likely to be brutal given all the weekend celebrations and current trend.
I'm starting to worry about reopening schools and getting back to any type of sports this year.

We're also now on the mandatory 2 week quarantine for travel to NY, which is definitely a factor for business travelers.

From https://twitter.com/KassieMcClung:

Where the new cases came from (by county):
Tulsa: +261
Oklahoma: +212
Texas: +50
Caddo: +40
Payne: +21
Canadian: +27
Wagoner: +17

Yep, 858 (!!!) new cases; 5 more have died.

52 new hospitalizations with a net increase of 35.

4.9% positive test rate.

The Oklahoman said +125 new hospitalizations! This is spreading like wildfire now. There will be a lot more deaths and we only have about 20-some percent of ICU beds available. I imagine the number of hospitalizations will continue to climb. It has risen 200% in the last three weeks.

From https://twitter.com/KassieMcClung:

Where the new cases came from (by county):
Tulsa: +261
Oklahoma: +212
Texas: +50
Caddo: +40
Payne: +21
Canadian: +27
Wagoner: +17

Trump rally kicking in.

FYI, RCB banks in OKC are not masking in their facilities and still meeting with people. Tellers not masking either. Not wiping down pens etc between users.

Let’s help each other out by sharing which businesses are doing a good job of protecting their customers and let’s give them our business while avoiding those that disregard their customers’ safety.

Just announced the State Fair of Texas has been cancelled.

Like I've been saying I don't want to shut down but a shut down is the only way at this pointWith a pretty much known positivity rate and pretty much known number of tests conducted over the past couple days today’s number, and high numbers for the foreseeable future, have to be expected. And the three cities that had council meetings last night had to know this and did nothing. I really don’t think we’ll ever see a shut down. I’m skeptical we’ll ever see mask mandates.

FYI, RCB banks in OKC are not masking in their facilities and still meeting with peoples. Tellers not making either.

Thanks for this. Pete, can we start a new thread about which businesses are doing well and which ones are not when it comes to COVID-19 protocols? I believe such a thread would be widely read and may force action since the mayor is unwilling to do so.

Isn't there already a thread for that?

Just announced the State Fair of Texas has been cancelled.

OU-Texas is going to feel a little weird now. Of course, I've been skeptical that they'd be able to even have football as things have been going lately anyway.

I think at this point, best case is college football in the spring.

FYI, RCB banks in OKC are not masking in their facilities and still meeting with people. Tellers not masking either. Not wiping down pens etc between users.

Let’s help each other out by sharing which businesses are doing a good job of protecting their customers and let’s give them our business while avoiding those that disregard their customers’ safety.

The Oklahoma City Masked and Unmasked FB group does this.

For comparison, the entirety of New York state (with 4.9X as many people as Oklahoma), previously the epicenter of the outbreak, only reported 588 cases today.

What is going to take for our leaders to make even the most basic action (e.g., mandatory masks)??

Does anyone know if the rapid test results are reported?

They’re too damn stupid and entrenched in their political idiocy to do what’s right.

For comparison, the entirety of New York state (with 4.9X as many people as Oklahoma), previously the epicenter of the outbreak, only reported 588 cases today.

What is going to take for our leaders to make even the most basic action (e.g., mandatory masks)??

Sadly, probably for one of them or their loved ones to die.

I think at this point, best case is college football in the spring.
I’m as big a baseball, Thunder an of course my beloved OU Sooners fan as anyone can be. And I can’t believe I’m typing this but at this point there are higher priorities than sports. Damn that hurt!

I just get the sense that there are a lot of people who are not super concerned about getting it because either they're young and healthy so they think we'll be OK or they think it'll be just like getting an icky cold. Anyone who has been reading articles about this thing know that that's just not true.

Sadly, probably for one of them or their loved ones to die.
But one of the oddities of this virus, as serious as it is, is that statistically that’s not likely to happen.

If you live in OKC, email or call your councilmember and tell them to institute a mandatory mask policy. They need to feel pressure from the pro-mask people because you can be sure they will be hearing from the rabid nutcases on the other side. There's a special meeting of the Council on the 16th to address Covid-19. They need to hear from you.

Someone posted this (paraphrasing):

Like racism, Covid-19 doesn't exist unless it happens to you.


That seems to be very much the case for far too many.

Does anyone know if the rapid test results are reported?

No, they are not included, according to the director of the Save Our State page last night.

For comparison, the entirety of New York state (with 4.9X as many people as Oklahoma), previously the epicenter of the outbreak, only reported 588 cases today.

What is going to take for our leaders to make even the most basic action (e.g., mandatory masks)??NY seems to have it under control. They also have a social distancing mandate with fines if not obeyed. Also mask wearing is mandated. But we’re told here that those mandates can’t be made to work.

We're also now on the mandatory 2 week quarantine for travel to NY, which is definitely a factor for business travelers.

And if we stay on the list until September means no OU trip to Army

For comparison, the entirety of New York state (with 4.9X as many people as Oklahoma), previously the epicenter of the outbreak, only reported 588 cases today.

What is going to take for our leaders to make even the most basic action (e.g., mandatory masks)??


Since you bring up NY, i am glad Oklahoma didnt mimic every mandate that Cuomo made. If Oklahoma did we would already have many more deaths.