https://www.koco.com/article/rossen-reports-what-every-state-requests-for-masks-in-stores/32960891# Your doing fine Oklahoma ok. Since we are changing things maybe we need to change our state song? SMH Also what winco is this one?

This is very anecdotal, but still pretty incredible. Can you even imagine 100% of Oklahomans or Texans wearing a mask to their gorcery store over an hour period like they counted in Massachusetts? If you don't want to watch it, every other grocery store from other states had 63%+ with some at or near 100%. The OKC Winco had 35% wearing masks. That's pretty damning.

Today's increases:

Cases: 395
Hospitalizations: 57 (!!)
Deaths: 2

Today's increases:

Cases: 395
Hospitalizations: 57 (!!)
Deaths: 2

Where do you find the hospitalization number so quickly? also Nationwide deaths way up over 2,000 they had been below a thousand all week

Where do you find the hospitalization number so quickly? also Nationwide deaths way up over 2,000 they had been below a thousand all week

I get a daily press release that contains that info.

On the Rt site someone linked on here a few weeks ago there were as little as 9 states above 1 a couple of weeks ago. Today there are 33.

I just got back from Sam's club mwc. (it was them or Moore for another 7 cu ft cheap Chinese freezer) I could not get or figure out the Sam's club buy on line ap. I called them last night to hold a freezer for me. Anyway, they were nice as far as taking care of checkout for me so I could just go back to my truck and wait for a guy to bring it out and load it. I did look around the short time I was in the store and no one was social distancing but all the employees and everyone I did see had a mask on. I think this at least is a step up. This was just past 9am so before regular hours but lots more people then I expected. I normally shop the Edmond Sam's club.

Yep. Happened to just check it myself. Oklahoma happens to be third to worst. Not great.

Today's increases:

Cases: 395
Hospitalizations: 57 (!!)
Deaths: 2

What was the hospitalizations number yesterday?

I've not been checking the number of cases in MWC but see that it is listed as 31 vs 406 for Edmond, Not that big of spread on population vs number of cases. 31 total with "24 Recovered" per Ok st. Dept of Health. Maybe more people ARE wearing masks in MWC compared to Edmond. Just a thought.

Here are the new hospitalization numbers for the last several days; 57 is by far the biggest total to date:

6/26: 57
6/25: 17
6/24: 31
6/23: 20
6/22: 39

State fair has been cancelled

Press release:


“The impact of the State Fair’s cancellation will be felt far beyond the loss of our annual celebration,” stated Timothy J. O’Toole, President & CEO of Oklahoma State Fair, Inc. “We are tremendously saddened for the businesses, large and small, that rely on the income and exposure that the State Fair brings them each year. We are also heartbroken for our staff, who have worked so diligently on planning for this year’s Fair; the competitors and exhibitors, who take part in our various creative arts, horse and livestock events; and of course, the general Fairgoers who look forward to attending the Fair each year.”

“We look forward to brighter, better days ahead when we can gather again to celebrate all that is exceptional about Oklahoma City and the State of Oklahoma,” O’Toole said. “Until then, stay safe, be well and support each other. We look forward to welcoming you back to the Oklahoma State Fair in 2021,” O'Toole said in a news release.

That sucks but completely unsurprising.

Just read on Nextdoor that there are quite a few people at the Hobby Lobby distribution center out, and there's maybe 2% wearing masks, and Hobby Lobby isn't doing much to combat it. Take it with a grain of salt, as it's Nextdoor, but this person has tried contacting OSDH, and a few other gov't organizations, and has now sent emails to news stations and Kendra Horn's office, so they're probably pretty convinced it's bad if they've done all those things.

While we haven’t been to the Fair in a few years it’s sad for all those that this will affect.

Just read on Nextdoor that there are quite a few people at the Hobby Lobby distribution center out, and there's maybe 2% wearing masks, and Hobby Lobby isn't doing much to combat it. Take it with a grain of salt, as it's Nextdoor, but this person has tried contacting OSDH, and a few other gov't organizations, and has now sent emails to news stations and Kendra Horn's office, so they're probably pretty convinced it's bad if they've done all those things.

They are pretty much the largest private employer in Central OK and lots of those employees work close together in their many warehouses.

In answering a do as we say, don't as we do question, Vice President Pence justifies defying local health authorities, who advise against public political gatherings, such as in Tulsa and Phoenix, in that freedom of speech and the right to peacefully assemble are enshrined in the constitution and even in a health crisis we do not forfeit that. He went on further with what I've heard before which was we need to reopen the economy because suicides went up when it wasn't. When finished answering that question Pence to no surprise of my own thought it was a good time to end the task force meeting.

It may be a little awkward, but you can exercise freedom of speech through a mask. At the risk of sounding evil, maybe it's going to take Pence and Trump hospitalized at the same time before more of America is going to take the virus seriously.

It isn't a civil liberties issue; it's a public health issue.

If you hate wearing a mask your going to hate the ventilator. Heard that today thought I pass it along.

In answering a do as we say, don't as we do question, Vice President Pence justifies defying local health authorities, who advise against public political gatherings, such as in Tulsa and Phoenix, in that freedom of speech and the right to peacefully assemble are enshrined in the constitution and even in a health crisis we do not forfeit that. He went on further with what I've heard before which was we need to reopen the economy because suicides went up when it wasn't. When finished answering that question Pence to no surprise of my own thought it was a good time to end the task force meeting.

It may be a little awkward, but you can exercise freedom of speech through a mask. At the risk of sounding evil, maybe it's going to take Pence and Trump hospitalized at the same time before more of America is going to take the virus seriously.

Wouldn't that be fun.

I just saw on one of the news channels, Stillwater has had a huge spike in cases and they are talking about rolling back to phase 2. They have 143 active cases. Edmond by my figures has 101. Young people not taking this seriously. I'm wondering what class is going to be like this fall at OU and OSU plus all the smaller schools if this keeps up. I guess we'll know in 60 days.

Definitely not having football season with the way things are going.

If you hate wearing a mask your going to hate the ventilator. Heard that today thought I pass it along.
Except 90+ percent of people that get this won’t be on a ventilator.

Just last week, Gallardia CC had a large banquet with about 200 packed into their ballroom and nobody wearing masks.

There are tons of these types of events now and we're going to continue to see the ripple effects.


Haha. OKC's first community spread started at Oklahoma City Golf and Country Club. One lady attending a party after returning from Florida, and she felt sick when she went.

Except 90+ percent of people that get this won’t be on a ventilator.

Yeah, that means 10% will. WEAR A MASK.

Wouldn't that be fun.

It would be a relief -- then Nancy would be acting President. Hopefully her first move will be to fire Barr.

So this is interesting. OK's cases have definitely increased, but we are the only state whose increase in cases can be tied to an increase in tests. From https://twitter.com/ASlavitt/status/1276292709225881601

Top 10 (last 2 weeks)
Cases Tests
FL. 71%. -12%
AZ. 72%. 25%
NV. 50%. -28%
OK. 53%. 125%
ID. 83%. 17%
SC. 169%. 43%
GA. 55%. 17%
UT. 39%. -10%
TX. 78%. 25%
KS. 48%. 7%

Whoever Twitter boy is is wrong. Our mayor, Tulsa mayor, State Health Department, OKC County Health Dept., Tulsa County Health Department, Associated Press, KOCO and literally every other credible source has said our testing has not gone up and is not related to the increase.

Perhaps it is spiking a bit now because, like my wife, people are hearing from folks who tested positive. But it was not increased testing that anything remotely to do with this explosion in new cases. For the record, "spike" is out of my vocabulary for what we are seeing, as this is not a bump.

Except 90+ percent of people that get this won’t be on a ventilator.

I'm not willing to take that chance. Best of luck.

Except 90+ percent of people that get this won’t be on a ventilator.

GREAT! Problem solved! Everyone go out without a mask and get people sick! Woohoo! You probably won't die and you probably won't need a ventilator, so everything is way cool right now! Rock on, baby! Covid Party tonight!

GREAT! Problem solved! Everyone go out without a mask and get people sick! Woohoo! You probably won't die and you probably won't need a ventilator, so everything is way cool right now! Rock on, baby! Covid Party tonight!

https://www.wpr.org/wausau-area-rock-festival-billed-herd-immunity-fest-move-forward-amid-pandemic I'm sure there are many on this board planning on going.

Actually for the first time in awhile the epidemiology report posted this afternoon lists a little over 36,000 test results from last week. About 9,000 more than the week before. But that doesn’t change the higher positivity percentage being the real issue.

I just saw a post on my FB about the fair being cancelled. About half of the replies were about how this sucks since the data is all made up. This is the problem with people.

Went to Homeland on 18th today, and was pretty pleasantly surprised - about 80% mask-wearing and only 2-3 people didn't follow the arrows (one of them was a hipster guy in sandals and some kind of wrap-skirt, but at least he had a mask on). We're still in deep ****, though, make no mistake.

Went to Homeland on 18th today, and was pretty pleasantly surprised - about 80% mask-wearing and only 2-3 people didn't follow the arrows (one of them was a hipster guy in sandals and some kind of wrap-skirt, but at least he had a mask on). We're still in deep ****, though, make no mistake.

Unfortunately, mask wearing has become political because of TRUMP, so I would expect high mask usage in the most progressive zip code in the state.

Went to Homeland on 18th today, and was pretty pleasantly surprised - about 80% mask-wearing and only 2-3 people didn't follow the arrows (one of them was a hipster guy in sandals and some kind of wrap-skirt, but at least he had a mask on). We're still in deep ****, though, make no mistake.

Totally anecdotal, but Crest on 164th/Santa Fe also had higher mask usage than what I've seen in the last month or so. And the goal isn't to get 100% of folks wearing masks, rather just the vast majority of folks. If we can hit 75-80%, that's enough to put a serious dent into the R0 number

Yeah, that means 10% will. WEAR A MASK.
It’s in the upper 90s, IIRC, so it’s more like a few percentage points. I’m not going to wear a mask.

I'm not willing to take that chance. Best of luck.


GREAT! Problem solved! Everyone go out without a mask and get people sick! Woohoo! You probably won't die and you probably won't need a ventilator, so everything is way cool right now! Rock on, baby! Covid Party tonight!
Whine and gripe all you want but the comparison made was ridiculous and that is my point. Dodge away. :)

I’m not going to wear a mask.

It's just good to see people are still willing to take a stand against... [checks notes] ...making an extremely minor personal sacrifice that could prevent others from experiencing deep suffering and loss and the economy not opening back up.

It's just good to see people are still willing to take a stand against... [checks notes] ...making an extremely minor personal sacrifice that could prevent others from experiencing deep suffering and loss and the economy not opening back up.
If you’re worried about it then don’t go out. There are businesses like Costco that have mandatory mask rules. Have fun shopping there. You won’t see me so I won’t be a danger to you.

I can’t wait until the inevitable debate comes where the vaccine is live and we start seeing actions taken to force people to get it. I’ll be back to respond then.

If you’re worried about it then don’t go out. There are businesses like Costco that have mandatory mask rules. Have fun shopping there. You won’t see me so I won’t be a danger to you.

I can’t wait until the inevitable debate comes where the vaccine is live and we start seeing actions taken to force people to get it. I’ll be back to respond then.

I'm sure the hospitals would love people to clean up covid rooms and have someone save on PPE. JS

I'm sure the hospitals would love people to clean up covid rooms and have someone save of PPE. JS
Do your part since you care so much and go for it.

If you’re worried about it then don’t go out. There are businesses like Costco that have mandatory mask rules. Have fun shopping there. You won’t see me so I won’t be a danger to you.

I can’t wait until the inevitable debate comes where the vaccine is live and we start seeing actions taken to force people to get it. I’ll be back to respond then.

Ooooh, are you on the "Bill Gates is microchipping us!!!" bandwagon too?

If you’re worried about it then don’t go out. There are businesses like Costco that have mandatory mask rules. Have fun shopping there. You won’t see me so I won’t be a danger to you.

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How do you know you're not a danger to him? You could have it without knowing it and be contagious, somebody else in a store next to you in a bar or wherever you hang out probably isn't wearing a mask either, they catch it, and then they end up standing next to Dan at a grocery store and not wearing a mask and then because Dan might not be wearing an N95 mask, just a surgical one, he ends up catching it, then giving it to his family and they all die. THAT'S HOW CONTAGIOUS VIRAL SPREAD WORKS - IT'S SCIENCE!

You’re making tons of assumptions that Dan and his family will die when 90+ percent of those that get it won’t even know they had it.

You’re making tons of assumptions that Dan and his family will die when 90+ percent of those that get it won’t even know they had it.

And what percentage will have long term lung effects or other long term issues with the virus. There many stores of people out there that have lost their taste and smell. some have permanent lung damage. Do you have those numbers I would love to see them.

And what percentage will have long term lung effects or other long term issues with the virus. There many stores of people out there that have lost their taste and smell. some have permanent lung damage. Do you have those numbers I would love to see them.
Funny you make a point much about this virus is unknown but not before you claim it would be significantly hindered by face masks because science knows so much about it.

It’s odd, as someone who appreciates science, for the first time, to part ways with many who claim to be for science acting like sheep and being told I am a science denier because I think the mask thing is complete and utter BS when so little is known about this virus. Then when I’m skeptical about the vaccine those like poliguy have no argument to make other than the “oh you’re a bill gates conspiracy theorists” because they have nothing else to say. It’s cute.

Funny you make a point much about this virus is unknown but not before you claim it would be significantly hindered by face masks because science knows so much about it.

It’s odd, as someone who appreciates science, for the first time, to part ways with many who claim to be for science acting like sheep and being told I am a science denier because I think the mask thing is complete and utter BS when so little is known about this virus. Then when I’m skeptical about the vaccine those like poliguy have no argument to make other than the “oh you’re a bill gates conspiracy theorists” because they have nothing else to say. It’s cute.

Not knowing everything about this specific coronavirus does not invalidate basic science of viral spread and the use of masks to inhibit that spread. Mask science WRT viral spread has had years of research via influenza, and now there are multiple studies and metastudies that show that it works with this virus too. I was denying masks worked that well because of some of the cons (not fitting tightly, people wearing them incorrectly, etc.), but it's been pretty much proven by now that even with those deficiencies, masks are better than nothing in helping prevent the virus spread. Research is out there, google it.

More studies are coming out showing that asymptomatic people ended up with long term effects they didn’t initially notice.

Funny you make a point much about this virus is unknown but not before you claim it would be significantly hindered by face masks because science knows so much about it.

It’s odd, as someone who appreciates science, for the first time, to part ways with many who claim to be for science acting like sheep and being told I am a science denier because I think the mask thing is complete and utter BS when so little is known about this virus. Then when I’m skeptical about the vaccine those like poliguy have no argument to make other than the “oh you’re a bill gates conspiracy theorists” because they have nothing else to say. It’s cute.

I’d love to see what articles you’ve read that claim masks are pointless in this thing. Since you claim to be a man of science I’m sure you’ve got an ample abundance of peer reviewed studies that show the ineffectiveness of masks. I ask because it seems that the existing literature shows that masks, even cloth ones, are effective:

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2001468

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2001737

https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/laninf/PIIS1473-3099(20)30114-6.pdf

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0843-2

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31142-9/fulltext

https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/10.1377/hlthaff.2020.00818

As a fellow man of science, I’m always willing to reevaluate conclusions based on new evidence, especially in a situation with a novel virus, so I’d love to see the studies you’re basing you’re conclusions off of so I can reevaluate if need be

Okay “man of science” since you too appreciate science then why are you putting words in my mouth and claiming I said things I didn’t say? That isn’t very ‘science like.’ I never said I had articles claiming masks are pointless and I never said “I’m a man of science” only that I appreciate and respect the consensus though this must be a first.

I have no doubt that N95 type masks would work but no way it becomes reasonable to require everyone to wear them. Yes I’ve seen the articles claiming anything over your face works. Stay home if you’re that scared. Am I worried about the virus? Hell yes. I’ve seen videos of people on respirators and that looks scary but I won’t live my life in fear.

The more you and those like Dan claim I’m causing deaths makes me not want to wear a mask even more and not because I don’t care it’s because you are so full of sh!t it’s comical. Have fun holding your nose up and acting like you are making a difference by wearing masks.

Meanwhile I’ll keep wondering why mass gatherings for protests(tens of thousands packed) recently were perfectly fine and aren’t being a suspect to the rising COVID cases and you can pretend it’s people like me who walk into a grocery store without a mask around less then 50 people.

Not knowing everything about this specific coronavirus does not invalidate basic science of viral spread and the use of masks to inhibit that spread. Mask science WRT viral spread has had years of research via influenza, and now there are multiple studies and metastudies that show that it works with this virus too. I was denying masks worked that well because of some of the cons (not fitting tightly, people wearing them incorrectly, etc.), but it's been pretty much proven by now that even with those deficiencies, masks are better than nothing in helping prevent the virus spread. Research is out there, google it.
I have googled it and I can’t understand how a virus so small is affected by cotton masks. I also don’t get that the human breath shown by thermal detection cameras proves the virus is slowed by masks. Maybe someone likes Betts can answer this but most viruses don’t like heat and why would it be proved with thermal cameras it is slowed by masks? I don’t understand it.

I have googled it and I can’t understand how a virus so small is affected by cotton masks. I also don’t get that the human breath shown by thermal detection cameras proves the virus is slowed by masks. Maybe someone likes Betts can answer this but most viruses don’t like heat and why would it be proved with thermal cameras it is slowed by masks? I don’t understand it.

Really, all you need is the last four words of this post and some humility. You’ve been defensive and dismissive yet have offered no real proof of your claims or dismissal of masks. It’s not a matter of “just stay home if you’re scared,” it’s a collective action problem that we all need to work together on to mitigate the risk. If you can’t understand the difference between indoor and outdoor settings, or between thermal detection of breath and actual viral load, maybe do some research (i posited some articles you can get started on) and educate yourself a bit.

I have googled it and I can’t understand how a virus so small is affected by cotton masks. I also don’t get that the human breath shown by thermal detection cameras proves the virus is slowed by masks. Maybe someone likes Betts can answer this but most viruses don’t like heat and why would it be proved with thermal cameras it is slowed by masks? I don’t understand it.

As Ed Shadid said in another thread, the virus is 1 micron small, but carried on droplets bigger than that (3 microns and larger, maybe). Read up more on it.

... I won’t live my life in fear.

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It's not just about you or fear of any sort, it's about EVERYBODY, that's why it's called PUBLIC HEALTH.

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The more you and those like Dan claim I’m causing deaths makes me not want to wear a mask even more and not because I don’t care it’s because you are so full of sh!t it’s comical. Have fun holding your nose up and acting like you are making a difference by wearing masks.

Meanwhile I’ll keep wondering why mass gatherings for protests(tens of thousands packed) recently were perfectly fine and aren’t being a suspect to the rising COVID cases and you can pretend it’s people like me who walk into a grocery store without a mask around less then 50 people.

I had to respond to the rest. We're not full of sh!t, go read all the articles, masks make a difference, and you're basically a science denier to say they don't at this point.

As far as the protests, there have actually been reports and studies done that show being outdoors and mostly masked helped the virus spread less than it does indoors and without masks (yes, it did spread at protests, but just far less). Go read about that too, easily findable.

Okay “man of science” since you too appreciate science then why are you putting words in my mouth and claiming I said things I didn’t say? That isn’t very ‘science like.’ I never said I had articles claiming masks are pointless and I never said “I’m a man of science” only that I appreciate and respect the consensus though this must be a first.

I have no doubt that N95 type masks would work but no way it becomes reasonable to require everyone to wear them. Yes I’ve seen the articles claiming anything over your face works. Stay home if you’re that scared. Am I worried about the virus? Hell yes. I’ve seen videos of people on respirators and that looks scary but I won’t live my life in fear.

The more you and those like Dan claim I’m causing deaths makes me not want to wear a mask even more and not because I don’t care it’s because you are so full of sh!t it’s comical. Have fun holding your nose up and acting like you are making a difference by wearing masks.

Meanwhile I’ll keep wondering why mass gatherings for protests(tens of thousands packed) recently were perfectly fine and aren’t being a suspect to the rising COVID cases and you can pretend it’s people like me who walk into a grocery store without a mask around less then 50 people.

No offense, but are you from Moore? The reason I ask is that you totally remind me of some uneducated know-it-alls that I know from there.

I don't want to live my life in fear that would come from not going into stores without wearing a mask. Society's failure to get the virus under control will mean a lot more stores closed. Some bars and restaurants and other businesses have already reclosed. They're not waiting to be told by the city or state. A bunch of other countries that had it bad several months ago now have their cases greatly down. It probably had a lot to do with mandatory mask wear.

No offense, but are you from Moore? The reason I ask is that you totally remind me of some uneducated know-it-alls that I know from there.
Yeah, I’m your anonymous, uneducated know-it-all friend from Moore. You got me.

Yeah, I’m your anonymous, uneducated know-it-all friend from Moore. You got me.

Lol. Try at least to make cogent arguments based on facts, and not bizarre, sophistic rhetorical positions. It is not a good look during a historic pandemic.

Yeah, I’m your anonymous, uneducated know-it-all friend from Moore. You got me.

For a second I thought you two were friends on Facebook without realizing it and I had a good laugh but checked and I was incorrect...laugh rescinded. Random thoughts at 2:45 AM. Y’all have a good night.

As Ed Shadid said in another thread, the virus is 1 micron small, but carried on droplets bigger than that (3 microns and larger, maybe). Read up more on it.

Yeah really. For someone telling everyone to just "Google it" this sort of information is quite readily accessible ..