Yeah and no surprise that McCurtin county (at least the last time I looked) had a disproportionate number of cases over the last few weeks. Have to assume that's directly tied to summer tourism.

Yeah and no surprise that McCurtin county (at least the last time I looked) had a disproportionate number of cases over the last few weeks. Have to assume that's directly tied to summer tourism.

I'm sure that's at least some of it, but they also have a handful of Tyson chicken outfits there, as well as lumberyards and other plants where people work in close proximity. Also, as you point out, lots of Texans and Arkansans coming to vacay there, hanging out in restaurants, bars, marinas, etc. It's a recipe for disaster. And, as someone who once dealt with a rather serious medical emergency while down there, emergency medical facilities are extremely lacking *unless you are a member of the Choctaw Nation.*

Let it surge and burn itself out. Can’t delay the inevitable spread forever.

Let it surge and burn itself out. Can’t delay the inevitable spread forever.

If you believe this, go out and purposefully contract it then.

We don't need to delay the spread forever, just until we have better therapies (many of which are currently being studied) and a widely-available vaccine (hopefully rolling out after the new year). Americans have 0 patience, I swear.

Let it surge and burn itself out. Can’t delay the inevitable spread forever.

I would prefer not to get this thing if I can help it. I posted this article earlier but this just shows all of long-term effects that can occur, even with "mild" cases or from those who are "recovered".

https://www.sfgate.com/news/editorspicks/article/What-they-don-t-tell-you-about-surviving-15347792.php

I AM NOT BEING POLITICAL. Legitimately asking for those who think it’s getting worse here because oklahomans are dumb and won’t listen to medical professionals. Why are we seeing a massive increase in California too? 7000 new cases reported today.

I AM NOT BEING POLITICAL. Legitimately asking for those who think it’s getting worse here because oklahomans are dumb and won’t listen to medical professionals. Why are we seeing a massive increase in California too? 7000 new cases reported today.

Because they have a huge, dense population and just reopened most of their businesses.

In response to this spike, they also mandated masks in Los Angeles, something we refuse to do.

Let it surge and burn itself out. Can’t delay the inevitable spread forever.

This is asinine.

Let it surge and burn itself out. Can’t delay the inevitable spread forever.

Inevitably you will die, but that's not a reason to commit suicide, is it?

Let it surge and burn itself out. Can’t delay the inevitable spread forever.

If we're careful and not stupid we can control it until better treatments and a vaccine are available.

If we're careful and not stupid we can control it until better treatments and a vaccine are available.

Right I think in 4 more months we will be close to something. Not like we are going to have to wear mask and social distance forever but if we don't nip it in the bud now who knows.

277 Now in hospital up 9 more. Which does seem a lot but that over 100 more than just 2 weeks ago.

Tell you what, all it takes to shake you back into reality is when hits almost close to home. My father-in-law took a little ill Monday, odd heart rate, felt "off," so they took him to the hospital. And there he had a slightly elevated fever. So they tested him for COVD.

What makes it even more real? We were all at their house Sunday evening for Father's day. That night, he was 100% fine. I realize instantly if he's positive, my whole family will have to get tested immediately. My wife calls our daughter, who was en route to work, to tell her we *may* have been exposed, so she comes home. It starts to get real in a hurry.

Fortunately, this morning, he calls us to tell us his test was negative, and he's fine, and we're thankful for that - for him, his wife, and for us. His doctors at the hospital said his preliminary bloodwork did not fit the profile for infection, but they couldn't rule it out without the test. Theyve referred him to his regular doctor about the heart rate issue.

Prior to this, I had gotten to the point where I thought I was the oddball being too careful. Hand sanitizer everywhere. Gas pump handles using wipes. Wiping down some groceries. I was going overboard.

Not anymore.

I'm making sure we've got masks for *every* trip outside the house other than a neighborhood walk. We picked up more wipes. We're still doing pickup groceries and I'm not yet going in to sit at a restaurant. Church is likely to be virtual for a while longer.

I don't like being this way. But I liked facing the prospect of facing this thing head-on about 1000% less. Time to keep it real, do masks, stay away from crowds, and just plain use common sense.

277 Now in hospital up 9 more. Which does seem a lot but that over 100 more than just 2 weeks ago.

Is that the most since this began?

Is that the most since this began? There were more current hospitalizations from March to about mid May than there are today. But the rate at which they’re increasing is bad.

I think we could all see this coming two weeks ago. I wish our leaders treated this exponential spike with the same seriousness they did the initial wave.

If you believe this, go out and purposefully contract it then.

We don't need to delay the spread forever, just until we have better therapies (many of which are currently being studied) and a widely-available vaccine (hopefully rolling out after the new year). Americans have 0 patience, I swear.

Already had it.

And we hope there’s a vaccine there is absolutely no guarantee we find a cure.

I think we could all see this coming two weeks ago. I wish our leaders treated this exponential spike with the same seriousness they did the initial wave.I’ve wondered. All along our leaders said the “shut down”, what there was of one, was about not overwhelming the hospitals and letting them prepare for an expected spike when reopening. So how does the current spike compare to what they expected upon reopening. Only the inner circle knows for sure. It would be interesting to know.

Already had it.

And we hope there’s a vaccine there is absolutely no guarantee we find a cure.

Over 102 years, and still no full flu vaccine. There are marginal treatments. Viruses are hard to cure and treat.

Over 102 years, and still no full flu vaccine. There are marginal treatments. Viruses are hard to cure and treat.
Very true. But I don’t think there’s been the motivation to create a vaccine like there is for this virus. The pharmaceutical company that first gets this one right will be the biggest world wide hero ever.

OKC seems to be doing better than the rest of the state:

https://twitter.com/davidfholt/status/1275950550052474883

You have to compare same days of the week, due to the reporting flow.

And on that basis, things look particularly bad.

Last Wed we only had 259 new cases which was a new record at the time; this week 482.

It was Thursday right through the weekend when the numbers really started to take off. If that happens again this week, we are going to have out-right panic.

I don't think there well be anything like a panic as long as hospitals don't get overwhelmed and deaths don't spike. Too bad it may take those two things to happen to get a lot more people to wear masks.

OKC seems to be doing better than the rest of the state:

https://twitter.com/davidfholt/status/1275950550052474883

Coming here to post. Spike appears to be leveling off.

OKC seems to be doing better than the rest of the state:

https://twitter.com/davidfholt/status/1275950550052474883

It's this type of short-sighted and passive "maybe it'll be ok" reasoning that really annoys me. Sure, cherry pick your statistics and ignore the fact that cases outside of city limits are still shooting up and there's a huge crisis in surrounding states. We have an invisible wall keeping those cases from affecting us right?

What people still don't get is that today's case counts are from people who were infected 2 weeks ago, and tomorrow's hospitalizations are from infections almost a month ago. Staring at the numbers each day and "giving it time" is stupid. By the time you see a spike in hospitalizations and decide to do something about it, it's already too late. There's going to be another month before it makes any kind of difference in the hospitalization rates. That's a month more exponential growth that's already happened and you're just chasing the trend watching the hospital beds fill up. Instead of trying to find ways to explain away the cases, we need proactive and forward thinking action. That may be too much to ask in our state and country though...

Coming here to post. Spike appears to be leveling off.

Weren't there 82 new cases today though? Up from the 32 yesterday?

OKC seems to be doing better than the rest of the state:

https://twitter.com/davidfholt/status/1275950550052474883

He is showing declining numbers and only 1 death in 14 days:

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ICUs have dropped in half the last two days. We still only have one death in the last 14 days. New cases seem to have declined for five straight days, and it definitely appears as if the exponential rise has halted

https://mobile.twitter.com/davidfholt/status/1275950550052474883

He is showing declining numbers and only 1 death in 14 days:

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ICUs have dropped in half the last two days. We still only have one death in the last 14 days. New cases seem to have declined for five straight days, and it definitely appears as if the exponential rise has halted

https://mobile.twitter.com/davidfholt/status/1275950550052474883

1,856 cumulative patients (+82 from June 23) So they went up today then?

1,856 cumulative patients (+82 from June 23) So they went up today then?

I just posted what the mayor said, I would assume he has good stats. If you go to his twitter link he has graphs to go along with it. Any errors are his not mine

I just posted what the mayor said, I would assume he has good stats. If you go to his twitter link he has graphs to go along with it. Any errors are his not mine
Looks like his only goes up to the 23rd so doesn't include the 82 from today so our 5 day streak is over in a big way.

They’re going to be watching hospitalization and death rates much closer than new cases. Those are going to be the key statistics as to whether lockdowns and restrictions come back. It’s going to spread no matter what.

First wave was to buy the time for PPE and get hospitals ready.

It's this type of short-sighted and passive "maybe it'll be ok" reasoning that really annoys me. Sure, cherry pick your statistics and ignore the fact that cases outside of city limits are still shooting up and there's a huge crisis in surrounding states. We have an invisible wall keeping those cases from affecting us right?

What people still don't get is that today's case counts are from people who were infected 2 weeks ago, and tomorrow's hospitalizations are from infections almost a month ago. Staring at the numbers each day and "giving it time" is stupid. By the time you see a spike in hospitalizations and decide to do something about it, it's already too late. There's going to be another month before it makes any kind of difference in the hospitalization rates. That's a month more exponential growth that's already happened and you're just chasing the trend watching the hospital beds fill up. Instead of trying to find ways to explain away the cases, we need proactive and forward thinking action. That may be too much to ask in our state and country though...

Let's put this in terms people are more familiar with. Imagine the coronavirus is a bad storm cell. The case reports we're watching are the tornado warnings but they only come every half hour. The hospitalizations are live reports from the storm chasers every hour. Are you one of the people who keep mowing their lawn and wait until the storm chasers report a tornado on top of them? Or do you head over to the school gym when the sirens sound? The people out mowing their lawn are probably the same ones out at restaurants and not wearing masks. By the time you hear from the storm chasers it could already be too late... the gym will be full and you're SOL.

It's this type of short-sighted and passive "maybe it'll be ok" reasoning that really annoys me.

JHC. What a glass half empty guy. I was just pointing out that OKC has recently had better numbers compared to the rest of the state. I didn't make any predictions. Heaven forbid someone post some good news here.

I’ve wondered. All along our leaders said the “shut down”, what there was of one, was about not overwhelming the hospitals and letting them prepare for an expected spike when reopening. So how does the current spike compare to what they expected upon reopening. Only the inner circle knows for sure. It would be interesting to know.

This is an exponential spike, not a “predictable rise in cases.” They did not account for this unless the plan all along was just to have more shutdowns.

Exactly this isn't an inner circle thing. Most virologist have said it's exponential growth and well social distancing and mask help stop the growth. So unless people are required to wear mask it will keep growing. At this point when new cases double again we will be at 1000 (or 800) a day. Whether that's in 5 days or 10 days who knows maybe now we can do things to stop it from getting to 2000 a day sometime next month. At this point we should just listen to health departments and virologist.

If you think Fauci is paid off or its fake then check the Ministry of Health of Singapore or the Department of Health of Hong Kong. Considering both of these places use English as an official language, are democratic (semi democratic in one instance) and both have a strong rule of law then people can't say it's a conspiracy, lies or a hoax. For a state like Oklahoma it should be easy to lower infections considering people don't take public transportion, don't live cramped high rise apartments and population density is low. Wear a damn mask.

Let it surge and burn itself out. Can’t delay the inevitable spread forever.

The elevator isn’t working. Might as well jump out the window.

I just posted what the mayor said, I would assume he has good stats. If you go to his twitter link he has graphs to go along with it. Any errors are his not mine

I love the mayor, and I’m grateful we have him instead of Bynum (yeesh), but he vacillates between sharing OKC stats and OKC Metro stats, so I really don’t know what to make of his comments today. I do think he will take action at some point, without the support of Bynum, and he will be under tremendous pressure from his party elders and the Covidiots in our midst. We need to hold him accountable but we also need to support him.

Look which state is winning the Covid race! Great job, Oklahoma!

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The elevator isn’t working. Might as well jump out the window.

Right, but the window in question is on the 1st Floor.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html

Exactly this isn't an inner circle thing. Most virologist have said it's exponential growth and well social distancing and mask help stop the growth. So unless people are required to wear mask it will keep growing. At this point when new cases double again we will be at 1000 (or 800) a day. Whether that's in 5 days or 10 days who knows maybe now we can do things to stop it from getting to 2000 a day sometime next month. At this point we should just listen to health departments and virologist.

If you think Fauci is paid off or its fake then check the Ministry of Health of Singapore or the Department of Health of Hong Kong. Considering both of these places use English as an official language, are democratic (semi democratic in one instance) and both have a strong rule of law then people can't say it's a conspiracy, lies or a hoax. For a state like Oklahoma it should be easy to lower infections considering people don't take public transportion, don't live cramped high rise apartments and population density is low. Wear a damn mask.

Nah. I’ll go with the Swedes.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-24/sweden-s-epidemiologist-says-world-went-mad-imposing-lockdowns?sref=VEjJXJjm

Nah. I’ll go with the Swedes.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-24/sweden-s-epidemiologist-says-world-went-mad-imposing-lockdowns?sref=VEjJXJjm

From your article:


But Sweden now has one of the world’s highest Covid-19 mortality rates, with more deaths per 100,000 than the U.S., according to Johns Hopkins University data (https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality).

Nah. I’ll go with the Swedes.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-06-24/sweden-s-epidemiologist-says-world-went-mad-imposing-lockdowns?sref=VEjJXJjm

Oh yeah let's do the Swedish option, which has more deaths per capita than any other developed country on earth and is still nowhere close to herd immunity: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/total-deaths-covid-19?country=SWE~DNK~NOR~FIN

From your article:

Yep. Sucks. But it’s picking between a rock and a hard place.

The cost of lockdowns: mental health, domestic violence, increased drug abuse, and the economic toll they take > the death of people who are already over the average age.

We have a new slogan for some: “No Lives Matter ..... if It means I have to wear a mask”.

Yep. Sucks. But it’s picking between a rock and a hard place.

The cost of lockdowns: mental health, domestic violence, increased drug abuse, and the economic toll they take > the death of people who are already over the average age.

Agree with your statement. Economy is not just about money and wealth. Peoples’ mental well-being also has a large part in overall health and this risk could be equal or greater than COVID as you noted above.

Agree with your statement. Economy is not just about money and wealth. Peoples’ mental well-being also has a large part in overall health and this risk could be equal or greater than COVID as you noted above.

A large chunk of the BLM protests are about access to education and jobs. Lockdowns literally massively disrupt both.

It maybe sit at home and wait it out for some, for others it’s stuck in a broken elevator and so to fix it we set the building on fire.

Today's increases:

Positives: 438
Hospitalized: 17
Deaths: 3

A large chunk of the BLM protests are about access to education and jobs. Lockdowns literally massively disrupt both.

It maybe sit at home and wait it out for some, for others it’s stuck in a broken elevator and so to fix it we set the building on fire.

Nice attempt to change the subject: we are talking about mask usage, distancing, and coherent government communications, to AVOID further shutdowns.

Also, Sweden’s economy tanked just as badly, they just let a lot more people die unnecessarily to prove some arrogant bureaucrat’s theory, which even he now admits was a failure.

Nice attempt to change the subject: we are talking about mask usage, distancing, and coherent government communications, to AVOID further shutdowns.

Also, Sweden’s economy tanked just as badly, they just let a lot more people die unnecessarily to prove some arrogant bureaucrat’s theory, which even he now admits was a failure.

"Everything is connected."

--Ashton Kutcher (2004)

Preface this by saying this is NOT some defense of OKC or trying to imply anything positive about OKC on it.

This breakdown of new cases by the top 3 counties is telling.

Tulsa - 2949 (+207)
Oklahoma - 2410 (+93)
Cleveland - 763 (+28)

What's going on in Tulsa? Is this because they've had several manufacturing facilities get hit? Or is it Victory Church?

"Everything is connected."

--Ashton Kutcher (2004)

"The Problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence"

--Charles Bukowski

Preface this by saying this is NOT some defense of OKC or trying to imply anything positive about OKC on it.

This breakdown of new cases by the top 3 counties is telling.

Tulsa - 2949 (+207)
Oklahoma - 2410 (+93)
Cleveland - 763 (+28)

What's going on in Tulsa? Is this because they've had several manufacturing facilities get hit? Or is it Victory Church?

Not sure churches matter - OKC has about 8 branches of Life Church.

"The Problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence"

--Charles Bukowski

"Yawn . . ."

--Charles Bukowski

Yep. Sucks. But it’s picking between a rock and a hard place.

The cost of lockdowns: mental health, domestic violence, increased drug abuse, and the economic toll they take > the death of people who are already over the average age.

Here's what everyone making this argument is missing: IF COVID CASES ARE HIGH THE ECONOMY WILL STAY LOW! "Re-Opening" is going to fail if COVID cases stay high because people will change their behavior. For example, I don't go to businesses or restaurants because cases are high and there is no mask requirement. WE NEED TO REQUIRE MASKS. Period. If you want economic growth then people need to feel safe. But since we haven't done this since the beginning the only way to gain control again may be another shut down. This could have been avoided if not for failed leadership.

And why are we even talking about lockdowns?

I haven't seen a single person advocating for this. It's just a red herring.

93 new cases in OKC is still almost twice what we experienced during our peak in April, so still not good. Anecdotally, my colleagues in Tulsa, as well as my wife, who has had to travel there twice in the last three weeks, have said that probably less than 10% of Tulsans are wearing masks. Owasso just had a large indoor graduation event that looked like the Trump rally in terms of mask usage and distancing. It doesn’t send the right message either when the city’s mayor “welcomes” a likely superspreader event to his city. If that’s OK to attend without a mask, why should I worry about QuikTrip or the gym?

Not sure churches matter - OKC has about 8 branches of Life Church.

In-person church services were cited by the health department this week as one of the 7 culprits that have led to the current explosion in cases.

I'm not sure how effective social distancing at churches is. I am saying like every other pew closed and family groups siting 6' apart, with people seated as they come in. Doesn't matter the denomination, anyone have any in put on this. It is something I am very concerned about, since I am a church attender. Wondering how air movement in a large open building is related to spreading since people are seated for an hour or more vs a trip to the grocery store or hardware store for say 15 to 30 min. Any input for anyone on this.

I'm not sure how effective social distancing at churches is. I am saying like every other pew closed and family groups siting 6' apart, with people seated as they come in. Doesn't matter the denomination, anyone have any in put on this. It is something I am very concerned about, since I am a church attender. Wondering how air movement in a large open building is related to spreading since people are seated for an hour or more vs a trip to the grocery store or hardware store for say 15 to 30 min. Any input for anyone on this.

There was a early spread case in the EU where they determined the spread was from prolonged singing inside a church. I am guessing that is the main issue. Unless everyone wears a mask inside church then I don't see social distance really working while there is singing.

My wife and I haven't been back to our church since it opened. We still do online.

I read a story today in the WSJ saying the main way this transmits is from person to person contact. We could almost forget the mask if people would just stay 6 feet apart. Are restaurants and bars even blocking off sections? Walmart and stores still letting so many people in? This is what we need to get back too. I know the Braums I work at is not. People that still work there tell me it's a lobby fully of people at lunch. If you want to go out to eat with a friend stay 6 feet apart if it's not crowed sit at a table next to you. Don't sit at the next bar stool leave one inbetween. You can still carry on a conversation. We need to get back to keeping our distance cause people are just not going to wear a mask. For one it's too hot. Then you have the people that don't think it works. Then your have the political people. We just need to be social distancing better. Back to only so many in a store. Back to maybe even carry out only. Maybe set up tents and have a few tables outside for people to eat in. SOCIAL DISTANCING IS THE KEY

Also since the mayor of OkC was talking about possible reopening roll backs, and I am thinking if that happens, other metro area cities would follow suit on this. Any in put to what or how the roll backs would look like. I would think it would be in person church services, nail, beauty and barber shops, gyms, large gatherings and in restaurant dinning and bars. Hopefully it won't come to that but..... We are going to have to make some changes some where, whether in individual behaviors such as social distancing in stores etc and or mask wearing or face continuing climbing numbers. I don't want numbers to go up and I don't want a roll back but something is going to have to give.