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jdizzle
06-22-2020, 01:45 PM
How many are currently hospitalized? Why hasn't the EOR reports updated since the 19th? This is the key week for hospitalizations. With all the positive test results the last 10 days I would imagine the would go up possibly way up. 39 in two day while bad could be a lot worse with how many have been testing positive. If they stay flat or fairly low that is a good sign.

I have a friend who works at a hospital, and she told me that, while cases are spiking, at least at her hospital, there has not been any increase in COVID hospitalizations. Which gives some credence to the thought that a lot of the new positives are younger.

Libbymin
06-22-2020, 02:09 PM
A quote from OU Medical's COVID chief:

"I think it is likely that we will see a bump in hospitalizations, and perhaps even more deaths. Deaths tend to be delayed, they tend to occur two are three weeks after the test is confirmed," he said.

Bill Robertson
06-22-2020, 03:23 PM
How many are currently hospitalized? Why hasn't the EOR reports updated since the 19th? This is the key week for hospitalizations. With all the positive test results the last 10 days I would imagine the would go up possibly way up. 39 in two day while bad could be a lot worse with how many have been testing positive. If they stay flat or fairly low that is a good sign.The EOR has never updated on weekends. 19th was Friday, 22nd will post this evening.

oklip955
06-22-2020, 03:27 PM
I think people are getting stupider and less kind. I had to go to Sams club this afternoon. I would have liked to go in the morning but cannot. I wake up at night with knee and hip pain and don't get back to sleep for a while, so when I wake up its mid morning. Also tried the order on line and did not get if figured out. Ok so I went to the Sam's club after lunch tiem thinking it would be less people. Well I was going down the narrowest isle (maginize clothing bottle neck. I move slow due to my knee. two younger women without masks said you have to move out of the way. I told them no social distance and I cannot move. They together took their shopping cart ramed mine and litterally pushed me and the cart down the isle with their cart. I cannot move quick. I could not get out of their way. If I would have fallen they would have pushed their bery full cart over me and walked on top of me. I told the store manager and it was like well we try but we cannot do anything. This is beyond social distancing, its assult on an older lady..

Bill Robertson
06-22-2020, 04:10 PM
I think people are getting stupider and less kind. I had to go to Sams club this afternoon. I would have liked to go in the morning but cannot. I wake up at night with knee and hip pain and don't get back to sleep for a while, so when I wake up its mid morning. Also tried the order on line and did not get if figured out. Ok so I went to the Sam's club after lunch tiem thinking it would be less people. Well I was going down the narrowest isle (maginize clothing bottle neck. I move slow due to my knee. two younger women without masks said you have to move out of the way. I told them no social distance and I cannot move. They together took their shopping cart ramed mine and litterally pushed me and the cart down the isle with their cart. I cannot move quick. I could not get out of their way. If I would have fallen they would have pushed their bery full cart over me and walked on top of me. I told the store manager and it was like well we try but we cannot do anything. This is beyond social distancing, its assult on an older lady..
Sad! While I have seen a little bit of this thing bringing good out in people it it bringing out WAY more ugliness.

Ed Shadid
06-22-2020, 04:29 PM
I think people are getting stupider and less kind. I had to go to Sams club this afternoon. I would have liked to go in the morning but cannot. I wake up at night with knee and hip pain and don't get back to sleep for a while, so when I wake up its mid morning. Also tried the order on line and did not get if figured out. Ok so I went to the Sam's club after lunch tiem thinking it would be less people. Well I was going down the narrowest isle (maginize clothing bottle neck. I move slow due to my knee. two younger women without masks said you have to move out of the way. I told them no social distance and I cannot move. They together took their shopping cart ramed mine and litterally pushed me and the cart down the isle with their cart. I cannot move quick. I could not get out of their way. If I would have fallen they would have pushed their bery full cart over me and walked on top of me. I told the store manager and it was like well we try but we cannot do anything. This is beyond social distancing, its assult on an older lady..

Strongly agree. Here are my anecdotes from the last three days.
First, my teenage daughter who works at a restaurant was verbally accosted by a customer when she brought his food to the car wearing a mask. The man wanted to know why my daughter was wearing a mask and when she replied that it was restaurant policy he went ballistic about how her liberty was being denied and was incredulous as to why this teenager was putting up with it.
Then, when I took my daughters to see the Greenwood District and join the protests in Tulsa, a man began screaming at me "Take off your mask, you criminal" over and over in front of my kids.
Finally, today, working as a physician in an operating room with an elderly man on the procedure table preparing to start a procedure, a man enters the operating room without a mask to replace the oxygen tank despite signs on every door saying "no mask, no entry". This is someone at least peripherally involved in healthcare. One of the most stunning things I have seen in my 20 year medical career.

Libbymin
06-22-2020, 04:58 PM
Strongly agree. Here are my anecdotes from the last three days.
First, my teenage daughter who works at a restaurant was verbally accosted by a customer when she brought his food to the car wearing a mask. The man wanted to know why my daughter was wearing a mask and when she replied that it was restaurant policy he went ballistic about how her liberty was being denied and was incredulous as to why this teenager was putting up with it.
Then, when I took my daughters to see the Greenwood District and join the protests in Tulsa, a man began screaming at me "Take off your mask, you criminal" over and over in front of my kids.
Finally, today, working as a physician in an operating room with an elderly man on the procedure table preparing to start a procedure, a man enters the operating room without a mask to replace the oxygen tank despite signs on every door saying "no mask, no entry". This is someone at least peripherally involved in healthcare. One of the most stunning things I have seen in my 20 year medical career.

What the hell is wrong with people? It's one thing when people complain when a business makes them wear a mask before coming inside but to chastise someone for wearing a mask? How does that affect them personally? So dumb.

kukblue1
06-22-2020, 05:08 PM
I really don't see what the big deal is about wearing a mask. Even the OU medical covid guy said something is going to have to be done soon about an ordinance. It's not really that inconvenience unless maybe you are working somewhere that will require you to wear it 8 hours a day. Then it's up the employer to move people around to different departments and give them a break from wearing it. It really should be if your coming within 6 feet of someone you wear a mask. If your not within 6 feet your good. Really no different then wearing shoes. We wear shoes to protect your feet. I hate wearing shoes but i'm not going to go walking around outside without shoes on. Not too many other people are either.

oklip955
06-22-2020, 05:12 PM
Sorry to here this Ed. It seems these people think its just about them and their wants. They don't want to consider other people including older people and those with health conditions. Its like we don't matter. If a person chooses not to social distance for themselves. ok. But when asked to please kindly social distance because the person is older or has health conidtions then it becomes about being selfish and not being kind to others. we older people don't consider ourselves expendable because it puts you unkind people out just a bit. This is not about wearing a mask its about social distancing when asked. It means when an older person or other person who might be having trouble getting around cannot move out of your way to the speed that you like and it puts you out a min or two. I cannot keep dodgeing people who refuse to social distance. My knees cannot do this. It seems that at the times set aside for older people,younger ones are coming in since the sttores are open. Not all of us have the option of grocery delievery or what about parts delviery or building material delievery on say 4 light bulbs? What about us without any family or neighobors who live out in the country. Move in town. Well I don't want to be where I cannot have my garden and open space. or fruit trees or shop or....I tried to do the Sam's club order but did not figure it out. Lots of older people not up on all this computer stuff. Please just be kind. And kind to people who have to work and like your daughter Ed have to put up with this abuse. No need for it. It should have been a thank you and a nice tip.

oklip955
06-22-2020, 05:13 PM
I really don't see what the big deal is about wearing a mask. Even the OU medical covid guy said something is going to have to be done soon about an ordinance. It's not really that inconvenience unless maybe you are working somewhere that will require you to wear it 8 hours a day. Then it's up the employer to move people around to different departments and give them a break from wearing it. It really should be if your coming within 6 feet of someone you wear a mask. If your not within 6 feet your good. Really no different then wearing shoes. We wear shoes to protect your feet. I hate wearing shoes but i'm not going to go walking around outside without shoes on. Not too many other people are either.

Thank you. no like button so here is your like.

Ohwiseone
06-22-2020, 06:43 PM
Press Conference at City-County Health Department with Mayor Holt tomorrow morning according to twitter.

Mask Mandate? Closing stuff down again?

Who knows?

HangryHippo
06-22-2020, 06:47 PM
Hopefully a mask mandate.

Ohwiseone
06-22-2020, 06:53 PM
Hopefully a mask mandate.

This seems most realistic, I think he knows that he doesn't really have the authority to shut things down again without Stitt. - at least, that is what I have figured out through all of this.

HangryHippo
06-22-2020, 06:58 PM
If people would just mask consistently, you’d likely see no need for another shutdown. But you can’t convince a surprising number of people of the benefit of masking.

Bill Robertson
06-22-2020, 07:08 PM
I know many people would ignore a mask mandate. But even if a percentage of people and businesses adhered to it the situation should improve.

pw405
06-22-2020, 07:27 PM
If you haven't seen it yet, Dr. Dale Bratzler of OU Medicine made an informative FB post with the following graphs on 6-21:



Because we have plenty of hospital beds and ICU beds available, have lots of oncologists and cancer surgeons in Oklahoma, and plenty of chemotherapy agents available, we are going to suspend all cancer screening in Oklahoma. We will take care of patients in our hospital beds when they get cancer and will suspend cancer screening until we reach our hospital capacity to take care of cancer patients……..
………..well, that would be unethical and an absurd argument for not doing cancer screening.

Yet, that seems to be the most common rationale discussed in Oklahoma right now about why we don’t need to double down on known measures that will prevent the transmission of the COVID-19 virus. In numerous press interviews this past week, it was noted that “the state is ready to continue reopening because of the expansion of testing and a low rate of COVID-19 patients in the hospital.” Prior to the rally, I also heard the Governor note that since the majority of new cases being reported in Oklahoma are younger people, and that the mortality in that age group is low, it is safe to continue reopening. (Tell that to the 5 Oklahomans between the ages of 15 and 34 who have died in the state from COVID-19 so far). We have hospital beds available, so we do not have to worry about the new peak in confirmed cases??? Seems like another unethical rationale.

Last week I went out on a limb and predicted that hospitalizations for COVID-19 would increase in Oklahoma. I was right and expect that the hospitalizations will continue to rise this week. As you can see in the attached graphics, there were only 69 people with confirmed COVID-19 in the hospital on June 1. As of last Friday, June 19, there were 135 people with confirmed disease in the hospital – 76 of whom were in an ICU bed. I have no doubt that those patients would have preferred that we prevented the infection in the first place. As I showed last week, the peak in new cases is not due to more testing. The percentage of specimens tested last week that were positive went up to 6.0% (from a low of 1.8% the week of May 25), and was 6.7% last Friday [cudos to the OSDH that have now added a new graphic to their weekly epidemiology and surveillance reports that show the daily percent positive – this is a much better metric than state officials keep quoting (the cumulative percent positive)].

We are seeing exponential growth of new cases in Oklahoma. I have personally heard of confirmed cases that have been linked to funerals, weddings, events, gyms, church, etc. Again, “reopening” did NOT mean “back to normal.” Those reopening plans included recommendations to continue physical distancing and wearing masks. Yet people are not taking personal responsibility to do those things – hence the spread of the virus continues.

Will we have to go back to stay at home (safer at home) orders and start shutting down businesses again? Can we get everyone to take personal responsibility to do the things that we know to be highly effective at preventing person-to-person transmission of COVID-19 (wearing a mask, physical distancing, and hand hygiene). Are we willing to allow our leadership to impose orders for interventions such as mandatory mask policies in public settings when people are unwilling to take personal responsibility?? (And no, it is not a violation of your civil rights during a pandemic – there are a lot of legal discussions of this readily available.) Are we willing to make the sacrifices to stop the spread of this disease which continues to hospitalize Oklahomans and will most certainly result in more deaths??

I want to give a shout out to Senator James Lankford and his wife for bucking the trend at the rally last night and responsibly wearing masks! We need more leaders that will model the behaviors we want everyone to do to stop the spread of this virus!


I think it's OK to share, so I've embedded the graphs he posted below as well:

Hospitalizations, clearly, are going down and nothing to worry about:
https://i.imgur.com/Oz153mM.jpg

The repeated record case counts are simply because we are testing so much, and the virus is totally under control in OK:
https://i.imgur.com/qeMEkWq.jpg

Average tests per week reveal a different look at the trend. OK is open for business!
https://i.imgur.com/ECYWzvB.jpg

Imagine that.

Martin
06-22-2020, 07:50 PM
Hospitalizations, clearly, are going down and nothing to worry about:


sure, hospitalizations are lower than their peak in april… but to me, the graph you've posted pretty clearly shows an increase in hospitalizations since the beginning of june and it doesn't seem to indicate a slowing of that trend.

jccouger
06-22-2020, 07:52 PM
sure, hospitalizations are lower than their peak in april… but to me, the graph you've posted pretty clearly shows an increase in hospitalizations since the beginning of june and it doesn't seem to indicate a slowing of that trend.

I think he was being sarcastic, but hard to translate on message boards.

pw405
06-22-2020, 08:05 PM
sure, hospitalizations are lower than their peak in april… but to me, the graph you've posted pretty clearly shows an increase in hospitalizations since the beginning of june and it doesn't seem to indicate a slowing of that trend.

Haha.. sorry, yes 100% sarcastic!!

I work in a large office that called everybody back a month ago when we can easily, 100% work from home. It makes me wonder what conclusions they reach when the shot callers in the C-suite decide that no flexibility with working from home is now the best course of action after we did it for 9+ weeks - only to receive multiple instances of praise for "how good we were doing", and "how much we continue to get done despite the challenges!"

kukblue1
06-22-2020, 08:17 PM
197 in the Hospital Friday 265 today. Not good.

Martin
06-22-2020, 08:28 PM
Haha.. sorry, yes 100% sarcastic!!
lol... it seemed so obvious that I was actually wondering if my sarcasm meter was broken. unfortunately, given what people post on the internet these days, it's getting hard to tell!

soonerguru
06-22-2020, 11:02 PM
I think people are getting stupider and less kind. I had to go to Sams club this afternoon. I would have liked to go in the morning but cannot. I wake up at night with knee and hip pain and don't get back to sleep for a while, so when I wake up its mid morning. Also tried the order on line and did not get if figured out. Ok so I went to the Sam's club after lunch tiem thinking it would be less people. Well I was going down the narrowest isle (maginize clothing bottle neck. I move slow due to my knee. two younger women without masks said you have to move out of the way. I told them no social distance and I cannot move. They together took their shopping cart ramed mine and litterally pushed me and the cart down the isle with their cart. I cannot move quick. I could not get out of their way. If I would have fallen they would have pushed their bery full cart over me and walked on top of me. I told the store manager and it was like well we try but we cannot do anything. This is beyond social distancing, its assult on an older lady..

I may have said this before, but I highly recommend Costco over Sam’s for a variety of reasons, starting with Costco’s mask policy.

oklip955
06-23-2020, 12:41 AM
I may have to drive all the way over there. I live east of I 35 in Edmond and had planned on making a quick trip to pick up some seven granules and printer ink. Well they stopped carrying the ink. ugh and don't think Costco has the granules. I should have gone to Ace. I maybe be going to Costco for basics like meat, cleaning and paper products. I was hoping to just get in and get out with few people in the store. This reaction from the women was over the top. Older people cannot move so fast.

dankrutka
06-23-2020, 01:42 AM
I know many people would ignore a mask mandate. But even if a percentage of people and businesses adhered to it the situation should improve.

A mask mandate is primarily about increasing mask use. Everyone isn't going to where a mask all the time and the purpose of the policy isn't to arrest people or ticket them. Pretty much the only way you should be punished for non-mask use is if you're explicitly putting people in harm, violating policy in a business, or being a nuisance. I just traveled between California and Texas and people aren't all wearing them where it's required in New Mexico and California than it was in Arizona and Texas (no mask mandates). The entire country should have a mask wearing policy. If we the current administration hadn't politicized I suspect there would be almost unanimous support. It's an effective and easy policy that saves lives and helps the economy.

soonerguru
06-23-2020, 02:13 AM
A mask mandate is primarily about increasing mask use. Everyone isn't going to where a mask all the time and the purpose of the policy isn't to arrest people or ticket them. Pretty much the only way you should be punished for non-mask use is if you're explicitly putting people in harm, violating policy in a business, or being a nuisance. I just traveled between California and Texas and people aren't all wearing them where it's required in New Mexico and California than it was in Arizona and Texas (no mask mandates). The entire country should have a mask wearing policy. If we the current administration hadn't politicized I suspect there would be almost unanimous support. It's an effective and easy policy that saves lives and helps the economy.

I watched an interview with a Trumper on MSNBC Friday. They asked him point blank if he was going to wear a mask, and his answer was interesting: he said he would wear a mask if it was a “rule.” He went on to say he wears masks everywhere “it is a rule.” But he said he would not wear one if it wasn’t required. I found that very revealing about the moment we are in. I would guess 85% would comply if it were a rule, which would be a far sight better than where we are now, in the “personal responsibility” realm.

jerrywall
06-23-2020, 08:30 AM
I can't understand why so many people need a rule or an example to do the right thing. This is how we get bad laws like seatbelt laws.

jedicurt
06-23-2020, 08:37 AM
it truly is a confusing time. This is a summarized conversation with my Parents (who taught me to never listen to what "they" are telling you, and to always get information for yourself, when i was a child)


Them: well show me the numbers!
Me: okay, here they are
Them: well the real numbers, where did you get these.
Me; well the same place that the President does.
Them: well i don't believe those numbers
Me: well that is an executive branch office, so under the President
Them: well i don't believe them. they are lying.
Me; well what numbers do you want me to find
Them: the same numbers the President uses
Me: well i did. that is an executive Branch office, so under the President.

i mean, i'm just at a complete loss. These are educated people, who when i was a child would have made a comment about i deserve to be slapped on the side of my head for ignoring information and just listening to what i'm told... they also don't wear masks... i'm curious if they would if it were a rule though... if i talk to them again before the election in November, i will report back if they would fall into that 85% that soonerguru things might.

Libbymin
06-23-2020, 09:55 AM
it truly is a confusing time. This is a summarized conversation with my Parents (who taught me to never listen to what "they" are telling you, and to always get information for yourself, when i was a child)



i mean, i'm just at a complete loss. These are educated people, who when i was a child would have made a comment about i deserve to be slapped on the side of my head for ignoring information and just listening to what i'm told... they also don't wear masks... i'm curious if they would if it were a rule though... if i talk to them again before the election in November, i will report back if they would fall into that 85% that soonerguru things might.

The older I get, the more I realize that a lot of people will believe what they WANT to believe. And that goes for educated people as well as people who are close to us.

soonerguru
06-23-2020, 10:19 AM
Pete, I read elsewhere that hospitalizations jumped to 265. Can you confirm?

FighttheGoodFight
06-23-2020, 10:49 AM
Pete, I read elsewhere that hospitalizations jumped to 265. Can you confirm?

You can read it nightly in the EO Report on the coronavirus site https://coronavirus.health.ok.gov/sites/g/files/gmc786/f/eo_-_covid-19_report_-_6-22-20.pdf

soonerguru
06-23-2020, 10:59 AM
You can read it nightly in the EO Report on the coronavirus site https://coronavirus.health.ok.gov/sites/g/files/gmc786/f/eo_-_covid-19_report_-_6-22-20.pdf

So, yes, 265 when you include “cases under investigation.” Pretty big jump.

Pete
06-23-2020, 11:03 AM
Tuesday:

295 new cases
20 new hospitalizations
2 additional deaths

Pete
06-23-2020, 11:08 AM
Here is a week over week comparison of new cases, current week first, last week second:

Tuesday: 295 vs. 228
Monday: 218 Vs. 186
Sunday: 478 vs. 158
Saturday: 331 vs. 225
Friday: 352 vs. 222
Thursday: 450 vs. 146
Wed: 259 vs. 117

Total: 2,383 vs. 1,282

So, almost double last week, which had been the highest week since this began.

Pete
06-23-2020, 11:11 AM
From https://twitter.com/KassieMcClung :

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbNXej0U0AA33pK?format=jpg&name=medium

AP
06-23-2020, 11:11 AM
Am I reading it correctly that we have used 73% of our adult ICU beds and only have 27% available?

https://coronavirus.health.ok.gov/executive-order-reports

Pete
06-23-2020, 11:12 AM
And the argument "we are just testing more" is false. We are also getting a higher percentage of positive results:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbNYC3KUcAAmY5T?format=jpg&name=medium

kukblue1
06-23-2020, 11:18 AM
Basically the major just said starting wearing a mask or we are going to have to roll back openings. That's what i got out of that. If numbers keeps going up this week shut downs might be coming again?

Ohwiseone
06-23-2020, 11:21 AM
Not doing a mask requirement is dumb.

oklip955
06-23-2020, 11:21 AM
The numbers this week would reflex people already exposed and then sick for a day or two plus time to process the test. Too late to change the numbers for this week I would think. Next week numbers will be telling.

Pete
06-23-2020, 11:22 AM
Basically the major just said starting wearing a mask or we are going to have to roll back openings. That's what i got out of that. If numbers keeps going up this week shut downs might be coming again?

There are steps to take before shutting things down again, such as required social distancing at restaurants and other places where people gather; limiting crowds to no more than 50, etc.

Basically, we would go back one step rather than al the way to shutdown.

PoliSciGuy
06-23-2020, 11:28 AM
There are steps to take before shutting things down again, such as required social distancing at restaurants and other places where people gather; limiting crowds to no more than 50, etc.

Basically, we would go back one step rather than al the way to shutdown.

Yeah with better mask usage/requirements and shutting down bars I think we could get this back to a manageable level. I don't see us going back to the April measures unless things get *really* out of hand. I just don't know what Stitt and others are waiting for. AZ, TX, SC, FL all show that this thing isn't going to just magically level off by itself. The sooner you act, the more lives you save, the sooner the curve moderates.

Pete
06-23-2020, 11:31 AM
Texas now has a record number of hospitalizations and their numbers continue to increase.

chuck5815
06-23-2020, 11:34 AM
I think a lot of folks would wear the masks if they were required. Problem is, almost anything made mandatory must be enforced by the Police Department, and the George Floyd Fiasco has shown us we have some real Phi Beta Kappas wearing blue.

Very tough situation.

Pete
06-23-2020, 11:36 AM
I just don't know what Stitt and others are waiting for. AZ, TX, SC, FL all show that this thing isn't going to just magically level off by itself. The sooner you act, the more lives you save, the sooner the curve moderates.

Stitt is never, ever going to shut things down again after going on record countless times about how well Oklahoma is doing and then mocking people for being careful.

We just better pray things don't get crazy bad because state leadership is not going to do much now, if anything.

Ohwiseone
06-23-2020, 11:37 AM
I understand the Mayors reasoning, and he is right that is unenforceable. But still, even if he implemented it, it would still be something.

Pete
06-23-2020, 11:37 AM
I just don't know what Stitt and others are waiting for. AZ, TX, SC, FL all show that this thing isn't going to just magically level off by itself. The sooner you act, the more lives you save, the sooner the curve moderates.

Stitt is never, ever going to shut things down again after going on record countless times about how well Oklahoma is doing and then mocking people for being careful.

We just better pray things don't get crazy bad because POTUS and state leadership are not going to do much now, if anything.

jerrywall
06-23-2020, 11:38 AM
From the mayor's press conference...

"Wearing a mask is not a political statement. Not wearing a mask is not a political statement. Wearing a mask is a statement that you value not just the lives of others, but you value your own."

Libbymin
06-23-2020, 11:42 AM
I wish more people understood what it actually meant to be "recovered" from COVID-19.

https://www.sfgate.com/news/editorspicks/article/What-they-don-t-tell-you-about-surviving-15347792.php

What they don’t tell you about surviving COVID-19

'Recovered' doesn't mean healthy again

Most people who catch the new coronavirus don’t experience severe symptoms, and some have no symptoms at all. COVID-19 saves its worst for relatively few.
ICU nurse Sherie Antoinette has seen the serious cases first hand.

“When they say ’recovered,’ they don’t tell you that that means you may need a lung transplant,” Antoinette wrote in a Twitter post. “Or that you may come back after discharge with a massive heart attack or stroke, because COVID makes your blood thick as hell. Or that you may have to be on oxygen for the rest of your life.”

Antoinette’s tweet prompted a flurry of responses from former COVID-19 patients, family of patients and nurses working on the frontline of the disease.

I'm currently in the hospital after having a heart attack caused by clotting that resulted from COVID 19. I have a stent in my heart and need to wear a heart monitoring vest at all times. Now I face months of recovery including physical and occupational therapy. I'm only 29.
—Dan

I went into acute kidney failure and needed dialysis. I now have asthma, chronic cough and an irregular heartbeat. I have conditions I never had before, plus I’m wiped all the time. I hope this gets better, but you [Sherie] are on the money. And, mine was considered a low-moderate case.
— Stephanie McCarroll

These are my observations (of hospitalized patients):
1) Everybody is so swollen their skin has blisters and is so tight it looks like it’s about to burst, from head to heel. And skin so dry peeling and flaky that to slather Vaseline on every shift is almost necessary — all over.
2) Everybody’s skin is weeping clear fluid and has sores and the skin just slides off with slightest turn or rub, all over the body.
3) Everybody’s blood is thick as slush. Can’t figure out what’s making it clot like that, but it’s dark and thick.
4) Everybody’s kidneys are failing. Urine dark or red, which could contribute to the swelling, but we don’t know yet.
5) Everybody has an abnormal heart rhythm. Not sure of the cause. But even without underlying heart problems, it’s not beating normally.
6) Seems counterproductive, but the ones that are not breathing on the ventilator have to lay flat on their stomachs to breathe better. And even some on the ventilator are on their stomachs. And the slightest turn for some is what leads to their almost immediate death. Bathing, cleaning and turning to prevent skin breakdown causes most to code blue, so a decision has to be made on which is most important.
7) Everyone has a Foley catheter and a rectal tube — incontinent of bowel and bladder.
8) Everybody on tube feeding. Everybody.

I spent 10 days on a ventilator last March with ARDS [Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome] and I'm still on oxygen. Going home is just the beginning of the next steps in recovering. Every aspect of my life has changed for the worse. Please support and help anyone you know who survived. And wear a mask!
— Nurse @liveV4Vendetta

I'm just getting over a "mild" case after over two months. There's scarring in my lower right lung and my stomach and digestion are a mess like never before. But I'm coughing way less and can take walks again.
And, btw, this is the third time in two months that I've "gotten better." I'm just hoping it's the last and it doesn't all come back AGAIN.
— Eli

I’m a nurse on a COVID floor, I caught it. I am a relatively healthy 24-year-old and could barely walk up a half flight of stairs. My blood pressure skyrocketed, chest pain was debilitating. I’m 8 weeks out and still feeling the chest pain and shortness of breath. This is no joke.
— Alicia

I had COVID for over 60 days. I’m 33 years old, was super healthy, pescatarian, 125 pounds, and ran and did yoga every day. I couldn’t walk for two weeks besides a couple steps. It was the worst illness of my life.
I didn’t realize I had COVID symptoms for weeks. Here were the early signs:

- Waking up sweaty (I normally don’t sweat at night).
- Slight sporadic chills but no fever (or I thought I had no fever bc I only took my temp during the day).
- I could smell fine but would have weird smells like metallic or gas. Also, tasted metallic in the past 2-3 weeks. Apparently, a metallic taste or smell is related to lung problems.
- Loose stool but not terrible.
— Covid teacher (To read more about her symptoms and treatment, see her blog.)

I "recovered" March 29. I was born 65 years ago with chronic bronchitis that usually popped up maybe twice a year. Now, after COVID-19, I have acute bronchitis attacks 3-4 times a month and get winded walking to the mailbox.
— Hollis Charles

I got COVID in March, and in May, developed symptoms of encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue syndrome that leave me bedridden for days at a time. I’m so glad someone mentioned this so I know that I’m not the only one experiencing this.
— @PinkkYaYa

My mom worked on a COVID ward and contracted it, spent a month in ICU. She’s lucky enough to be home now, but she struggles to get up stairs and it’s going to be a long road to recovery. Thank you for everything that you do.
— Leanne

My coworker — an otherwise totally healthy 30-year-old — is still having issues breathing, two full months later. We’ve got patients coming back to the ER after they’re “recovered” because they can’t breathe or they get a blood clot. It’s so insane.
— Andi

I had it back in March and did 6 days on a ventilator. To date, I’m still short of breath with little exertion. I have pains all over that I have never had before. I’ve noticed I don’t urinate as much as I use to. And my legs & feet keep swelling so large no shoes fit. Even flops.
— Melly B.

I’m a healthy, active 23 year-old and I still have significant lung damage two months after I’ve “recovered.”
— Laney Whitney

Yeah, my mom "recovered" mid-May, except she had *nothing* left. Couldn't even eat or drink, they wanted to surgically insert feeding tube into her stomach. I had to invoke her DNR instructions, that SUCKED. She passed May 25. Thanks for all you do, be safe, good luck.
— @DevinCojones

Worst sickness ever. Left me and my husband sick and weak for almost two months. Almost killed my perfectly healthy 41-year-old nephew. Took down a 36-year-old friend with two bouts of pneumonia. Wear a freaking mask, people. How hard is that?
—Padma’s mom

My husband and I caught COVID two and a half months ago. While my symptoms were mild, he nearly had to be admitted because he couldn't breathe, and now, a month after he's recovered, we've discovered he has PERMANENT LUNG DAMAGE.
This is not “just the flu.” It isn't.
— Sue Mii

I had a "mild" case in February. I wasn’t hospitalized. Still extremely ill with a myriad of symptoms, including inflammation and lots of pain for 3 weeks. I have no doubt this virus causes permanent damage. Talk with someone who's had it before you decide to go without a mask.
— Leicia Faye

The lucky ones — if you can call them that — recover, but not in the sense that their lives are back to normal. For some, the damage is permanent. Their organs will never fully heal.

Bunty
06-23-2020, 11:57 AM
Having to wear a mask isn't about being denied freedom and liberty. Instead, it's about protecting all your freedom and liberty. Those still opposing masks may not understand that until they end up in ICU at the hospital. That seems to include many of our political leaders.

mkjeeves
06-23-2020, 11:59 AM
From the mayor's press conference...

"Wearing a mask is not a political statement. Not wearing a mask is not a political statement. Wearing a mask is a statement that you value not just the lives of others, but you value your own."
Short version...
If it gets worse we will roll back to former stage. You should wear a mask.

TheTravellers
06-23-2020, 11:59 AM
‘Heartbreaking’: Global experts alarmed at signs US has ‘given up’ fight to stop COVID-19 (https://www.alternet.org/2020/06/heartbreaking-global-experts-alarmed-at-signs-us-has-given-up-fight-to-stop-covid-19/)

“The U.S. will endure much higher, persistent negative effects from something that other countries have solved; we’ll normalize it and convince ourselves nothing can be done,” Rozier tweeted.

David
06-23-2020, 12:04 PM
Anyone have a link to Holt's statement from today?

Jersey Boss
06-23-2020, 12:06 PM
Stitt is never, ever going to shut things down again after going on record countless times about how well Oklahoma is doing and then mocking people for being careful.

We just better pray things don't get crazy bad because POTUS and state leadership are not going to do much now, if anything.

What makes it worse now is Stitt stripping the authority of mayors to act in the best interest of their locale. Sickening.

TheTravellers
06-23-2020, 12:23 PM
What makes it worse now is Stitt stripping the authority of mayors to act in the best interest of their locale. Sickening.

Dillon's Rule state, happens a lot here (https://www.tulsaworld.com/news/capitol_report/bills-limiting-local-regulation-of-oil-and-gas-drilling-get/article_e6694c9a-3657-532d-b0ff-6a8849a29c8a.html), and yes, it's sickening.

jerrywall
06-23-2020, 12:40 PM
What makes it worse now is Stitt stripping the authority of mayors to act in the best interest of their locale.

In what ways (I haven't seen anything about this and couldn't find anything just now)?

mkjeeves
06-23-2020, 12:43 PM
Anyone have a link to Holt's statement from today?

I haven’t seen a text version. Here’s the video. It starts around 18:30 https://www.facebook.com/cityofokc/videos/966124967172113/

Bunty
06-23-2020, 12:49 PM
‘Heartbreaking’: Global experts alarmed at signs US has ‘given up’ fight to stop COVID-19 (https://www.alternet.org/2020/06/heartbreaking-global-experts-alarmed-at-signs-us-has-given-up-fight-to-stop-covid-19/)

“The U.S. will endure much higher, persistent negative effects from something that other countries have solved; we’ll normalize it and convince ourselves nothing can be done,” Rozier tweeted.

Of what good has the economy gained from trying to normalize things if most businesses end up closing, due to lack of help from employees being positive and others having to quarantine? Maybe the gamble is it won't be that way.

TheTravellers
06-23-2020, 12:51 PM
Interesting article, haven't ever thought about this.

The right way to breathe during the coronavirus pandemic (https://theconversation.com/the-right-way-to-breathe-during-the-coronavirus-pandemic-140695)

Ohwiseone
06-23-2020, 12:55 PM
In what ways (I haven't seen anything about this and couldn't find anything just now)?

I am still trying to dig up the actual text of the bill, but this is from an AP report.


Among the changes the bill makes is to strip local officials of the authority to separate ill or exposed people, issue vaccinations and take other steps to prevent, manage and contain health threats. Instead, it would give the governor the power to delegate local officials certain authorities.

I believe this bill is a response to the Norman Mayor making much more drastic changes regarding church re-openings, after stitt said they could re-open.

Jersey Boss
06-23-2020, 01:04 PM
In what ways (I haven't seen anything about this and couldn't find anything just now)?

It is SB 1102. While I am well aware of Dillons rule, this legislation stripped local authority powers that were previously awarded to local officials. The powers previously granted were in the Catastrophic Health Emergency Powers Act.