Looks Like 172 currently in hospital up 23 from 3 days ago.

I wonder how sick people are feeling before they go get tested? I certainly wouldn't want a swab poked up my nose unless I was feeling bad, such as having fever.

This single rally could do more damage then all the protests in the state because of it being held indoors. If they were holding this thing outdoors, encouraging masks, and doing some kind of social distancing then it would lower the risk so much.

Yeah I wonder why they aren’t holding it at Skelly Stadium. Maybe it’s a security issue or something but it holds more people, is outdoors so much lower risk and it should be really nice outside at that time. Seems like it would be a win win in just about every category.

I agree, same thing happened to me. I wear a mask and will now do the parking lot pick up. Any returns will have to be the same way. I am in my 60's and not wanting to take unnecessary risks.

I wonder how sick people are feeling before they go get tested? I certainly wouldn't want a swab poked up my nose unless I was feeling bad, such as having fever.

Great point. There have been a couple of times I have wondered if I am exhibiting symptoms. To preface, I am a bit of a hypochondriac, so I have learned not to overreact to initial symptoms. That being said, I totaly dreaded the nose-probe. That does not sound fun at all. Alas, my weird symptoms have totally gone away quickly after I started experiencing them.

Looks Like 172 currently in hospital up 23 from 3 days ago.

Just wait.

Yeah I wonder why they aren’t holding it at Skelly Stadium. Maybe it’s a security issue or something but it holds more people, is outdoors so much lower risk and it should be really nice outside at that time. Seems like it would be a win win in just about every category.

Exactly. This would be a way safer option.

Exactly. This would be a way safer option.

It’s painfully obvious...I wish they would make the move. If they want to do it in the BOK, power to them I guess but it seems like it should be an easy and extremely logical switch.

Yeah I wonder why they aren’t holding it at Skelly Stadium.

I'm guessing if they were asked, the University said no.

From the Oklahoma GOP Chairman “All of us are adults. People can manage themselves when to have their masks on and when to take it off”.
From what I see every day no we don’t do a good job of managing our safety.
Attendees also have to sign a waiver saying the government and BOK center are not responsible if you get sick.
This rally is just not a good idea.

From the Oklahoma GOP Chairman “All of us are adults. People can manage themselves when to have their masks on and when to take it off”.
From what I see every day no we don’t do a good job of managing our safety.
Attendees also have to sign a waiver saying the government and BOK center are not responsible if you get sick.
This rally is just not a good idea.

Really. Kinda interesting how most people dining at restaurants go in without wearing masks, but I don't blame them since you can't eat, drink and wear a mask at the same time. Some restaurants, at least in Stillwater, have reported they had employees positive with the virus. Some closed, some didn't. I've decided to quit going to any until the spike settles down.

I'm certainly not going to the Tulsa rally out of concern for public health and safety issues. Trump is taking the low road in trying to lead the nation away from the virus. At least the upside is if the after effects surprisingly aren't bad, I think we can look forward to returning to packed concert halls, arenas and stadiums this fall. Movie theaters will also reopen. I'm sure not banking on it, though.

Had to return something to Home Depot that i ordered online. I would say of the 50 or so people in there 3 maybe 4 had on mask. No employees wearing mask. Some social distancing but still a bunch closed together at self checkout. Why are people not getting it?

I get it after seeing where a 21 year old female had to get a double lung transplant because the virus destroyed her lungs. I get it after hearing a 42 year old doctor say how he was surprised by his severe reaction to the virus. He believes he's in good health and runs regularly, but had to be in ICU for 3 days. Maybe many people aren't tuning to the news.

Really. Kinda interesting how most people dining at restaurants go in without wearing masks, but I don't blame them since you can't eat, drink and wear a mask at the same time. Some restaurants, at least in Stillwater, have reported they had employees positive with the virus. Some closed, some didn't. I've decided to quit going to any until the spike settles down.

I'm certainly not going to the Tulsa rally out of concern for public health and safety issues. Trump is taking the low road in trying to lead the nation away from the virus. At least the upside is if the after effects surprisingly aren't bad, I think we can look forward to returning to packed concert halls, arenas and stadiums this fall. Movie theaters will also reopen. I'm sure not banking on it, though.

I drove over to Tamashi to pick up some ramen last weekend and I saw a bunch of people sitting outside at Blue Garten and The Collective and almost no one was wearing a mask.

228 more cases and 4 deaths.

Not gonna lie, if these numbers don't go down soon..

Well, I would say do another lockdown.. but I do not think that is going to happen so I guess we just gotta get through it.

Beijing had an increase in cases and Sweden who has had the exact same policy since day 1 is also seeing a rise. Looks like a new variant to me that may be more infectious. The question now is what the death rate will do in the next week.

228 more cases and 4 deaths.

Not gonna lie, if these numbers don't go down soon..

Well, I would say do another lockdown.. but I do not think that is going to happen so I guess we just gotta get through it.

Another lockdown will never happen we can't even get people to wear masks what makes you think we're going to get people to stay home again. I'm glad everybody thought this was over 2-3 weeks ago smh

The hospitalizations will jump in the next week or two, then the deaths will go up a week or two after that. Certain politicians want to pretend this isn’t even happening. My doctor told me today that late summer into fall and winter is going to be catastrophic in Oklahoma. He also said state and national leadership has abandoned all pretense of listening to science and health experts. We are being gaslit by our own government. We are on our own now.

We could have reopened responsibly by requiring masks and social distancing, but Holt and Bynum just totally folded on that.

So basically we screwed the economy but did such a hasty, half-arse job of reopening that we also didn’t reduce the spread of the virus either.

New positive cases over the last 8 days:

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The hospitalizations will jump in the next week or two, then the deaths will go up a week or two after that. Certain politicians want to pretend this isn’t even happening. My doctor told me today that late summer into fall and winter is going to be catastrophic in Oklahoma. He also said state and national leadership has abandoned all pretense of listening to science and health experts. We are being gaslit by our own government. We are on our own now.

We could have reopened responsibly by requiring masks and social distancing, but Holt and Bynum just totally folded on that.

So basically we screwed the economy but did such a hasty, half-arse job of reopening that we also didn’t reduce the spread of the virus either.

I have been supportive of Holt through much of the Pandemic, and the Protest stuff, but him punting on the Mask thing was not a smart decision.

https://i.imgur.com/Lz4RsI3.jpg

https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/

What a great time for a large, indoor, political rally. Shared air conditioning, close quarters, should go well.

Yes, these new numbers are not good. People got too comfortable again, I hardly see people wearing masks anymore, everything is opening back up. Fauci warned that opening too early will initiate another spike. Everyone thought with the warmer weather the cases would go down this summer, but it looks like its getting worse, SMH. Hopefully this is just a opening impact spike and the active cases will go down in July. If not, I don't see how schools can open back up, and I dare to say no football games? lol

The hospitalizations will jump in the next week or two, then the deaths will go up a week or two after that. Certain politicians want to pretend this isn’t even happening. My doctor told me today that late summer into fall and winter is going to be catastrophic in Oklahoma. He also said state and national leadership has abandoned all pretense of listening to science and health experts. We are being gaslit by our own government. We are on our own now.

We could have reopened responsibly by requiring masks and social distancing, but Holt and Bynum just totally folded on that.

So basically we screwed the economy but did such a hasty, half-arse job of reopening that we also didn’t reduce the spread of the virus either.

Why don't we take a step back and see what happens instead of instinctively panicking and assuming the world's going to end? The goal was to slow the spread and give the hospital system time to prepare and increase capacity...not stop the virus entirely. We were successful in both of those goals. It was a given that the number of new cases was going to rise when testing increased and the economy opened back up. I think we will all be fine even if hospitalizations increase. We aren't going to see a massive spike in deaths if the hospitals aren't overwhelmed and at this point there is no reason to think they will be. The lack of mask wearing, etc is a little disconcerting but I guess time will tell how much difference it actually makes. Frankly the actual number of cases has always been a moving target and hasn't ever been that indicative of anything. Hospitalizations and deaths are the ones that really matter.

Similar to the conversation with you're doctor...my experience is also anecdotal, but I have several doctor friends between here, Boston, NYC, Tulsa, and Dallas. 3 of them have had the virus and the rest of been treating patients with it for the last three months. For the ones that had it, it wasn't any worse than the flu and in most cases was much milder. They've all said the serious cases are certainly scary but those are the minority and the risk is pretty mild for the majority of society. While they certainly don't want to see more cases, all are cautiously optimistic that, as a whole, the risk is relatively low and they aren't overly concerned about it anymore. Obviously that doesn't speak for every doctor or nurse everywhere but they are fully supportive of getting on with our lives. They've said that their hospitals are ready for a surge and are at such low capacity that they're concerned about their jobs in the nearterm.

I know I've probably come off as a total ass over the last few months but I'm really not trying to here. Just a lot of gloom and doom going around again and I don't necessarily think it's warranted yet.

At any rate, I spent the weekend in Fort Worth at a rescheduled wedding of over 150 people so I'll report back if that test case yielded any positives. Definitely am limiting my interactions with folks who are at greater risk over the next week or two.

I just can't get on board with the we open things too soon spin. Cases didn't jump at all after May 1st. I can get on board with saying people are no longer practicing social distancing or wearing mask. I'm also on board with Memorial day weekend and protest. Am I the only one that watch these protest and saw the same microphone being used over and over again without it being cleaned? Even with mask on when others around you are screaming and yelling it not a good thing. Other countries are seeing an increase in cases also. Maybe there has been another mutation that spreads easily but isn't as deadly. That is my hope at least.

Why don't we take a step back and see what happens instead of instinctively panicking and assuming the world's going to end? The goal was to slow the spread and give the hospital system time to prepare and increase capacity...not stop the virus entirely. We were successful in both of those goals. It was a given that the number of new cases was going to rise when testing increased and the economy opened back up. I think we will all be fine even if hospitalizations increase. We aren't going to see a massive spike in deaths if the hospitals aren't overwhelmed and at this point there is no reason to think they will be. The lack of mask wearing, etc is a little disconcerting but I guess time will tell how much difference it actually makes. Frankly the actual number of cases has always been a moving target and hasn't ever been that indicative of anything. Hospitalizations and deaths are the ones that really matter.

Similar to the conversation with you're doctor...my experience is also anecdotal, but I have several doctor friends between here, Boston, NYC, Tulsa, and Dallas. 3 of them have had the virus and the rest of been treating patients with it for the last three months. For the ones that had it, it wasn't any worse than the flu and in most cases was much milder. They've all said the serious cases are certainly scary but those are the minority and the risk is pretty mild for the majority of society. While they certainly don't want to see more cases, all are cautiously optimistic that, as a whole, the risk is relatively low and they aren't overly concerned about it anymore. Obviously that doesn't speak for every doctor or nurse everywhere but they are fully supportive of getting on with our lives. They've said that their hospitals are ready for a surge and are at such low capacity that they're concerned about their jobs in the nearterm.

I know I've probably come off as a total ass over the last few months but I'm really not trying to here. Just a lot of gloom and doom going around again and I don't necessarily think it's warranted yet.

At any rate, I spent the weekend in Fort Worth at a rescheduled wedding of over 150 people so I'll report back if that test case yielded any positives. Definitely am limiting my interactions with folks who are at greater risk over the next week or two.

First of all, I'm trying not to take what you are saying personally. Secondly, and I hope this is clear, I was very pleasantly surprised by the decline in new cases throughout May. I am not too proud to admit when I'm wrong (unlike Jim Traber, who makes the same claim that we know is bogus).

I'm fine with taking a step back but we are seeing the highest numbers yet, coupled with people just not giving a **** about doing the basic things to keep this in check.

On top of that, the governor has basically just moved on to other things, we are not getting national or state or even local health briefings.

I assure you my doctor is extremely connected throughout the state to all hospitals, and he is now the second physician who said things are not looking good for the fall.

Like you, I really don't want to lose my job or face another shutdown. So what you call "gloom and doom" others may view as realism. I see posts (not from you) from people saying things like: "Well this spike is young people and they won't get sick so our hospitalization rates won't go up." WTF? Just made up out of thin air. This is what I would call wishful thinking. False hope during a pandemic doesn't seem like a plan.

I see people repeating as fact that "testing is up so numbers are up," even when I have read that we are testing fewer people than we did in May. No, testing has been down the last two weeks as new cases have spiked.

Similarly, the fact hospitalizations have only gone up a bit doesn't seem to indicate they won't go up. It is a realistic expectation that hospitalizations typically occur on days 8-10 of the onset of symptoms.

Also, it stands to reason that if hospitalizations go up, so will deaths. We have quite a bit of experience with this virus locally and throughout the world now so we can safely predict what is likely to occur.

I appreciate the fact that you take responsible precautions when in public. I wish more of our fellow citizens did.

Also, if you see evidence that this spike is only temporary and everything will. be back to normal by July, August or September, feel free to share it because I would love to read it.

If we shut down again, it won’t matter about the virus. Country will be in full panic over no cash flow.

It would be helpful in gauging the situation if the feds would quit asking governors to parrot the federal government and their less than fact based assesments.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eaf8yTsXkAIhK0h?format=jpg&name=medium

Please wear masks when you go out, folks.

I just can't get on board with the we open things too soon spin. Cases didn't jump at all after May 1st. I can get on board with saying people are no longer practicing social distancing or wearing mask. I'm also on board with Memorial day weekend and protest. Am I the only one that watch these protest and saw the same microphone being used over and over again without it being cleaned? Even with mask on when others around you are screaming and yelling it not a good thing. Other countries are seeing an increase in cases also. Maybe there has been another mutation that spreads easily but isn't as deadly. That is my hope at least.

It was always going to be "too early" until a vaccine or until the virus runs it course. Beside little mask wearing, there is fecal/oral transmission because people are getting lazy about washing their hands again. But people don't want to think about touching something that someone touched after wiping their but so you don't hear about that mode of transmission much on tv.

/Those who say the spike is just young folk, well if they are sick and go out and about they will infect older people too. I am trying not to go out much but have to get some things. Ie when you lawn equipment breaks and you are mowing 10 ac, you cannot hire having you lawn done for $500 a week when you are on a fixed income. Back to wear a mask and social distance, if only to keep us older people safe.

But Pence claims coronavirus cases in Oklahoma are on the decline. The number of cases in Oklahoma has declined precipitously, he said. I don't wish them as much as death from it, but both Pence and Trump need to come down with the virus to face first hand what the reality of the situation is like. Interesting how both Pence and Trump are both risking the rally.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/16/politics/fact-check-mike-pence-oklahoma-coronvirus-spread-numbers/index.html

It was always going to be "too early" until a vaccine or until the virus runs it course. Beside little mask wearing, there is fecal/oral transmission because people are getting lazy about washing their hands again. But people don't want to think about touching something that someone touched after wiping their but so you don't hear about that mode of transmission much on tv.

Not to be overly nerdy, but the reason for hand washing with Covid is contact with contaminated surfaces.
While there is report of virus RNA present in the feces, I am not aware of any confirmation of a fecal transmission human case.
Hepatitis A is fecal-oral transmission, which is why you always wash your hands after using the bathroom, even when there is not a coronavirus pandemic.

But Pence claims coronavirus cases in Oklahoma are on the decline. The number of cases in Oklahoma has declined precipitously, he said. I don't wish them as much as death from it, but both Pence and Trump need to come down with the virus to face first hand what the reality of the situation is like. Interesting how both Pence and Trump are both risking the rally.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/16/politics/fact-check-mike-pence-oklahoma-coronvirus-spread-numbers/index.html

Part of me wonders if Trump has already had it. Would he tell us if he had? Doubtful.

Do most business now have sneeze guards in place. I don't head out much. I know 7-11 just installed them. Home depot. I know Braums don't but Braums hasn't done really anything to protect it's workers.

Do most business now have sneeze guards in place. I don't head out much. I know 7-11 just installed them. Home depot. I know Braums don't but Braums hasn't done really anything to protect it's workers.

Some of them are useless. Crest installed them but they are directly in front of register. However the debit machine and mini counter is to the right of the guard and thats where everyone stands waiting for final tally. So its really not effective in reality.

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Some important context from the Mayor. 55% of cases this month are from those under 35. As well as only 2 deaths in the last 22 days.

There’s currently only 13 people in Oklahoma County hospitals being treated for COVID.

Some of them are useless. Crest installed them but they are directly in front of register. However the debit machine and mini counter is to the right of the guard and thats where everyone stands waiting for final tally. So its really not effective in reality.
Either Homeland, Crest, Walmart Neighborhood Market weekly, Home Depot and 7-Eleven and Sean’s Spirits a couple of times are the only places I’ve been in since early March. The plastic guards everywhere are pterodactyl useless. Either they’re in the wrong places or people talk around them. Pretty much no employees are wearing masks anywhere now but Crest and Homeland. And they’re lax above how they wear them. Every trip out I’m more glad that way before this virus I bought a bunch of N95 masks. They’re the really dorky duckbill type but I really don’t give a #%$& what I look like. The masks and lots of hand sanitizer are my constant friends.

I see people repeating as fact that "testing is up so numbers are up," even when I have read that we are testing fewer people than we did in May. No, testing has been down the last two weeks as new cases have spiked.To this one point. In most of May days with high new cases were the same days with high reported test results. So mathematically it was true that positives followed the same track as test results and I was one that pointed this out often. The past week to ten days have thrown that correlation out the window. Some of the lowest test results per day reported since March and record new cases by a large margin.

I have been supportive of Holt through much of the Pandemic, and the Protest stuff, but him punting on the Mask thing was not a smart decision.

I think Holt knows a mask rule would be completely unenforceable in a city like OKC. It would last about as long as Stillwater's attempt did.

He's not an idiot.

I think Holt knows a mask rule would be completely unenforceable in a city like OKC. It would last about as long as Stillwater's attempt did.

He's not an idiot.Anyone that thinks such an order would work go to mayor Holt’s FB page and read the comments replying to him just suggesting that everyone should wear a mask when in public.

This stupid virus gets weirder and weirder. Integris Baptist has spent 20 million on being ready for a surge and has treated zero COVID cases according to KFOR. I’m a believer that it’s real but I can see stories like this fueling the “It’s all a big scam” theory.

This stupid virus gets weirder and weirder. Integris Baptist has spent 20 million on being ready for a surge and has treated zero COVID cases according to KFOR. I’m a believer that it’s real but I can see stories like this fueling the “It’s all a big scam” theory.

I would say the over 100,000 people who have died in the U.S. over the last few months would be enough to not even repeat a conspiracy theory.

100,000 doesn't matter if it did then people would wear a mask instead of saying "everybody's gotta go sometime." Or saying I dont believe its real or its a scam some people are stuck in the denial stage. I also agree that memorial day and the protest contributed to this spike.

But I just dont understand how anyone could think its not a terrible idea to have a trump rally with 20,000 people (most of whom wont wear a mask). Why doesnt the city of Tulsa just shut this down or say we cant have a meeting with 20,000 people. Maybe people will get it if College Football season is cancelled.

This stupid virus gets weirder and weirder. Integris Baptist has spent 20 million on being ready for a surge and has treated zero COVID cases according to KFOR. I’m a believer that it’s real but I can see stories like this fueling the “It’s all a big scam” theory.

OU has spent even more and they have treated a few...but not near what the funding would indicate that they’ve prepared for....and their staff had to take a 15% pay cut across the board.

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Some important context from the Mayor. 55% of cases this month are from those under 35. As well as only 2 deaths in the last 22 days.

There’s currently only 13 people in Oklahoma County hospitals being treated for COVID.

I was going to post this. Good info.

Anyone that thinks such an order would work go to mayor Holt’s FB page and read the comments replying to him just suggesting that everyone should wear a mask when in public.

So is the conclusion that Oklahomans are just a particularly stupid and/or stubborn bunch? Because other places in the U.S. (anecdotally) have near 100% mask compliance. Friends back home on the East Coast were shocked when I told them most people here aren't wearing masks. That'd be the only conclusion to be left with if we really believe a mandate wouldn't at least help somewhat...

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/16/us/politics/trump-coronavirus-rally.html?fbclid=IwAR0NBcf3gYd6VenGTbJVlwTTa910Q7 tgAq-A9acEVoAqFvVpEwJ4x4F7eNE


“It’s the perfect storm of potential over-the-top disease transmission,” said Bruce Dart, the executive director of the Tulsa health department. “It’s a perfect storm that we can’t afford to have.” . . .

“Like any other public health official, I’m a little angry,” Mr. Dart said about the rally. “Frankly, I’m afraid for a lot of people. It hurts my heart that we know this is a possibility and we’re doing it anyway. It’s like seeing the train wreck coming.”


“There’s just nothing good about this, and particularly in an enclosed arena,” said Karen Keith, a Tulsa County commissioner who oversees the area where the rally is supposed to take place. “I don’t want people to lose a parent. I don’t want them to lose a grandma. I don’t want them to lose a family member over this.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/16/us/politics/trump-coronavirus-rally.html?fbclid=IwAR0NBcf3gYd6VenGTbJVlwTTa910Q7 tgAq-A9acEVoAqFvVpEwJ4x4F7eNE
How close do we have to get to Saturday before the logistics train is going too fast to cancel the rally? My gut feeling is they will cancel as pressure mounts from health officials, but that’s just a guess.

So is the conclusion that Oklahomans are just a particularly stupid and/or stubborn bunch? Because other places in the U.S. (anecdotally) have near 100% mask compliance. Friends back home on the East Coast were shocked when I told them most people here aren't wearing masks. That'd be the only conclusion to be left with if we really believe a mandate wouldn't at least help somewhat...I think stubborn to the point of becoming stupid. Another part of the issue is personal experience of many people. I’ve had conversations with a few groups of people, co-workers and such, the past month. No one I’ve talked to has had, knows anyone that has had or knows anyone that knows anyone that has knowingly had the virus. So it just doesn’t hit home with them that it can be that serious.

How close do we have to get to Saturday before the logistics train is going too fast to cancel the rally? My gut feeling is they will cancel as pressure mounts from health officials, but that’s just a guess.
I would think that at this point the time spent planning for Secret Service and all the other things that come into play for a Presidential visit would really tick off the administration if local authorities tried to cancel. And good or bad local authorities don’t want to tick off an administration.

I would think that at this point the time spent planning for Secret Service and all the other things that come into play for a Presidential visit would really tick off the administration if local authorities tried to cancel. And good or bad local authorities don’t want to tick off an administration.

I would give it a zero percent chance of being cancelled. Stitt won't let that happen.

Trump coming here is a huge deal for the GOP in the state.

Another record today in terms of new positive cases: 259

That's 1,699 new cases in the last 9 days.

Yikes....

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EaudwvvX0AEQ5Hv?format=jpg&name=medium

I got beat up pretty bad by some people on this forum for suggesting that we would have 200 cases one day hell this point we might hit 300

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/coronavirus/dallas-woman-battling-coronavirus-again/2389265/

So much for the "let's all just get out there and get COVID so we can all get this over with" argument.

I got beat up pretty bad by some people on this forum for suggesting that we would have 200 cases one day hell this point we might hit 300

To be fair, you'd have a good future as an Oklahoma weatherman. If you predict rain every day, it doesn't make you a meteorologist when it finally rains.

But I just dont understand how anyone could think its not a terrible idea to have a trump rally with 20,000 people (most of whom wont wear a mask). Why doesnt the city of Tulsa just shut this down or say we cant have a meeting with 20,000 people. Maybe people will get it if College Football season is cancelled.

It's simply because the Tulsa mayor is a Republican rather than a Democrat. Look on the bright side. If Trump can pull off the rally without the aftermath being a public health disaster, then we could possibly look forward to concert halls, arenas and stadiums being reopened and filled by this fall after taking the same precautions the rally will be doing.. But the ones going to the rally are like guinea pigs, hopefully cooperative ones. The Oklahoma Health Dept. advises everyone going to have recent negative test. Everybody should wear masks that will be provided, even though it may not look good on TV. Of course things could backfire, such as both Trump and Pence getting the virus. Interesting how they have such a low regard for the virus that both will be there.

It's simply because the Tulsa mayor is a Republican rather than a Democrat. Look on the bright side. If Trump can pull off the rally without the aftermath being a public health disaster, then we could possibly look forward to concert halls, arenas and stadiums being reopened and filled by this fall after taking the same precautions the rally will be doing.. But the ones going to the rally are like guinea pigs, hopefully cooperative ones. The Oklahoma Health Dept. advises everyone going to have recent negative test. Everybody should wear masks that will be provided, even though it may not look good on TV. Of course things could backfire, such as both Trump and Pence getting the virus. Interesting how they have such a low regard for the virus that both will be there.Didn’t it used to be policy that the POTUS and VP never traveled together in case something bad happened.

So is the conclusion that Oklahomans are just a particularly stupid and/or stubborn bunch? Because other places in the U.S. (anecdotally) have near 100% mask compliance. Friends back home on the East Coast were shocked when I told them most people here aren't wearing masks. That'd be the only conclusion to be left with if we really believe a mandate wouldn't at least help somewhat...

Okies are no match for an invisible enemy.

Yikes....

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EaudwvvX0AEQ5Hv?format=jpg&name=medium

This is not good.