New totals finally in.

96 new cases
1 new death
86 newly recovered

https://coronavirus.health.ok.gov/sites/g/files/gmc786/f/eo_-_covid-19_report_-_6-5-20.pdf

Positive rate still below 4%, looking pretty consistent

And people still refusing to social distance. I got crowded by 4 large younger men around the check out at Home depot today. I needed stuff ie chemical gloves, (they did not have but sent me to mult areas ot the store) so that I could do a bit of spraying, a real bow saw blade not made in china (found down in the city) and hearig protectors since mine fell apart. None of them would move. I mean like 2' away on 3 sides, as an older lady I don't like men standing that close to me to begin with. They just looked up at me then went back to looking at their phones when I asked them to social distance and 2 just kept talking to each other. My internet has been down all week att said it will be up by tomarrow, yah which tomarrow. Even on my phone it was done. Not sure really how to use it one the phone. I am not real up on computer stuff. I only had in the past cell phones that made phone calls. I am getting where I dont' like going to town. And tonight tried to see a problem on my mower and lost the metric nuts in tall grass. Now I have to try to find new ones to hold my pull starter on. I will take the one and try to call them from the parking lot. No way will I go in on a Sat. Just don't understand why with all the signs no one wants to social distance. It is not about you its about keeping older and more vulnerable people safe. I am getting where i don't want to go in any stores. I live alone so no one to shop for me.

And people still refusing to social distance. I got crowded by 4 large younger men around the check out at Home depot today. I needed stuff ie chemical gloves, (they did not have but sent me to mult areas ot the store) so that I could do a bit of spraying, a real bow saw blade not made in china (found down in the city) and hearig protectors since mine fell apart. None of them would move. I mean like 2' away on 3 sides, as an older lady I don't like men standing that close to me to begin with. They just looked up at me then went back to looking at their phones when I asked them to social distance and 2 just kept talking to each other. My internet has been down all week att said it will be up by tomarrow, yah which tomarrow. Even on my phone it was done. Not sure really how to use it one the phone. I am not real up on computer stuff. I only had in the past cell phones that made phone calls. I am getting where I dont' like going to town. And tonight tried to see a problem on my mower and lost the metric nuts in tall grass. Now I have to try to find new ones to hold my pull starter on. I will take the one and try to call them from the parking lot. No way will I go in on a Sat. Just don't understand why with all the signs no one wants to social distance. It is not about you its about keeping older and more vulnerable people safe. I am getting where i don't want to go in any stores. I live alone so no one to shop for me.

Oklip955, I’ve been experiencing the same things. Seems like a lot of folks think this thing is done and won’t respect those who don’t. And Lowes is where I run into the rudest of the bunch. I went to pick up a few sticks of lumber for a fence project and remembered that I needed some nails. Rather than dragging the lumber cart to the hardware isle, I parked it on the drywall isle and walked over to hardware to grab some nails. I was gone 3 minutes tops and when I came back I found that someone had piled my stuff on a stack of drywall and took my cart. I’m glad I couldn’t identify which cart was mine because I probably would have taken it back.

By the way, I have containers full of loose metric hardware.

And people still refusing to social distance. I got crowded by 4 large younger men around the check out at Home depot today. I needed stuff ie chemical gloves, (they did not have but sent me to mult areas ot the store) so that I could do a bit of spraying, a real bow saw blade not made in china (found down in the city) and hearig protectors since mine fell apart. None of them would move. I mean like 2' away on 3 sides, as an older lady I don't like men standing that close to me to begin with. They just looked up at me then went back to looking at their phones when I asked them to social distance and 2 just kept talking to each other. My internet has been down all week att said it will be up by tomarrow, yah which tomarrow. Even on my phone it was done. Not sure really how to use it one the phone. I am not real up on computer stuff. I only had in the past cell phones that made phone calls. I am getting where I dont' like going to town. And tonight tried to see a problem on my mower and lost the metric nuts in tall grass. Now I have to try to find new ones to hold my pull starter on. I will take the one and try to call them from the parking lot. No way will I go in on a Sat. Just don't understand why with all the signs no one wants to social distance. It is not about you its about keeping older and more vulnerable people safe. I am getting where i don't want to go in any stores. I live alone so no one to shop for me.It is quickly becoming as if it’s all over and done. Not for me. I make it a point to get up and be at stores when they open the doors. Much fewer customers for the first hour or so.

I noticed yesterday at both Homeland and Penn Square Mall, the 'one way' arrows were being completely ignored.

I noticed yesterday at both Homeland and Penn Square Mall, the 'one way' arrows were being completely ignored.
Yeah. About everywhere I go also. At Homeland this morning I also noticed that about half the employees weren’t wearing masks and I know that the company policy hasn’t changed.

I noticed yesterday at both Homeland and Penn Square Mall, the 'one way' arrows were being completely ignored.

Pretty much everybody at Homeland followed the arrows when we were there yesterday afternoon, except for one couple who literally went down every aisle the wrong way (we got ahead of them pretty quickly).

https://i.imgur.com/rOWLm92.jpg

https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/

With 3 OSU and 5 Alabama players reporting to campus positive and asymptomatic I wonder how many there are out there that have or have already had COVID and had no idea. Since the NCAA regulates everything I assume Alabama had about the same 150 players as OSU. That would mean 8 out of 300 current cases. How many of the 292 left could have had it since March but would be negative now? I wish they would do and report antibody tests of the rest of the players.

Covid is done. 1,000 heath professionals signed a letter saying protesting is more important than Covid. I am not trying to make this a political post. I am saying that when I see this I say to myself, well that was all for nothing and probably the feeling of many people.

Covid is done. 1,000 heath professionals signed a letter saying protesting is more important than Covid. I am not trying to make this a political post. I am saying that when I see this I say to myself, well that was all for nothing and probably the feeling of many people.If you’re going to post stuff like this provide a link to the source. Which in ths case I have no doubt is not trustworthy.

If you’re going to post stuff like this provide a link to the source. Which in ths case I have no doubt is not trustworthy.

Untrustworthy, you bet. Real...unfortunately.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/05/health/health-care-open-letter-protests-coronavirus-trnd/index.html

It's hard when you seen 100,000 protesters in just about every major city not to think it's over. Mask or no mask these people are all bunched together. Even in London it was happening today. My only hope is that is has weaken. Some doctors have said that in Italy and Pittsburgh do a google search you will find it but even if it has we still need to be practicing social distancing

Untrustworthy, you bet. Real...unfortunately.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/05/health/health-care-open-letter-protests-coronavirus-trnd/index.htmlWow! Just wow! However it doesn’t really say protesting is more important than COVID. From the article the letter “focuses on techniques to reduce harm to people protesting racial injustice“.

Wow! Just wow! However it doesn’t really say protesting is more important than COVID. From the article the letter “focuses on techniques to reduce harm to people protesting racial injustice“.

Exactly, COVID's not done either, as the OP suggested, nice spin he tried to put on it, though.

HERE IS THE LETTER:

Open letter advocating for an anti-racist public health response to demonstrations against systemic
injustice occurring during the COVID-19 pandemic. On April 30, heavily armed and predominantly white protesters entered the State Capitol building in Lansing, Michigan, protesting stay-home orders and calls for widespread public masking to prevent the spread of COVID-19. Infectious disease physicians and public health officials publicly condemned these actions and privately mourned the widening rift between leaders in science and a subset of the communities that they serve.

As of May 30, we are witnessing continuing demonstrations in response to ongoing, pervasive, and
lethal institutional racism set off by the killings of George Floyd and Breonna Taylor, among many other Black
lives taken by police. A public health response to these demonstrations is also warranted, but this message must be wholly different from the response to white protesters resisting stay-home orders. Infectious disease and public health narratives adjacent to demonstrations against racism must be consciously anti-racist, and infectious disease experts must be clear and consistent in prioritizing an anti-racist message.

White supremacy is a lethal public health issue that predates and contributes to COVID-19. Black
people are twice as likely to be killed by police compared to white people, but the effects of racism are far more pervasive. Black people suffer from dramatic health disparities in life expectancy, maternal and infant mortality, chronic medical conditions, and outcomes from acute illnesses like myocardial infarction and sepsis. Biological determinants are insufficient to explain these disparities. They result from long-standing systems of oppression and bias which have subjected people of color to discrimination in the healthcare setting, decreased access to medical care and healthy food, unsafe working conditions, mass incarceration, exposure to pollution and noise, and the toxic effects of stress. Black people are also more likely to develop COVID-19. Black people with COVID-19 are diagnosed later in the disease course and have a higher rate of hospitalization, mechanical ventilation, and death. COVID-19 among Black patients is yet another lethal manifestation of white supremacy.

In addressing demonstrations against white supremacy, our first statement must be one of unwavering support for those who would dismantle, uproot, or reform racist institutions. Staying at home, social distancing, and public masking are effective at minimizing the spread of COVID-19. To the extent possible, we support the application of these public health best practices during demonstrations that call attention to the pervasive lethal force of white supremacy. However, as public health advocates, we do not condemn these gatherings as risky for COVID-19 transmission. We support them as vital to the national public health and to the threatened health specifically of Black people in the United States. We can show that support by facilitating safest protesting practices without detracting from demonstrators’ ability to gather and demand change. This should not be confused with a permissive stance on all gatherings, particularly protests against stay-home orders. Those actions not only oppose public health interventions, but are also rooted in white nationalism and run contrary to respect for Black lives. Protests against systemic racism, which fosters the disproportionate burden of COVID-19 on Black communities and also perpetuates police violence, must be supported.

Therefore, we propose the following guidance to support public health:
● Support local and state governments in upholding the right to protest and allow protesters to gather.
● Do not disband protests under the guise of maintaining public health for COVID-19 restrictions.
● Advocate that protesters not be arrested or held in confined spaces, including jails or police vans, which
are some of the highest-risk areas for COVID-19 transmission.
● Oppose any use of tear gas, smoke, or other respiratory irritants, which could increase risk for COVID19 by
making the respiratory tract more susceptible to infection, exacerbating existing inflammation,
and inducing coughing.
● Demand that law enforcement officials also respect infection prevention recommendations by
maintaining distance from protesters and wearing masks.
● Reject messaging that face coverings are motivated by concealment and instead celebrate face
coverings as protective of the public’s health in the context of COVID-19.
● Prepare for an increased number of infections in the days following a protest. Provide increased access
to testing and care for people in the affected communities, especially when they or their family
members put themselves at risk by attending protests.
● Support the health of protesters by encouraging the following:
○ Use of face coverings.
○ Distance of at least 6 feet between protesters, where possible.
○ Demonstrating consistently alongside close contacts and moving together as a group, rather
than extensively intermingling with multiple groups.
○ Staying at home when sick, and using other platforms to oppose racism for high-risk individuals,
and those unable or uncomfortable to attend in person.
○
● Encourage allies who may wish to facilitate safe demonstrations through the following:
○ Providing masks, hand-washing stations, or hand sanitizer to demonstrators.
○ Providing eye protection, such as face shields or goggles, for protection against COVID-19 and
chemical irritants used to disperse crowds.
○ Bringing wrapped, single-serving food or beverages to sustain people protesting.
○ Providing chalk markings or other designations to encourage appropriate distancing between
protesters.
○ Supplying ropes, which can be knotted at 6-foot intervals, to allow people to march together
while maintaining spacing.
○ Donating to bail funds for protesters
● Listen, and prioritize the needs of Black people as expressed by Black voices.
These are strategies for harm reduction. It is our sincere hope that all participants will be able to follow
these suggestions for safer public demonstrations, assisted by allies where possible and necessary, but we
recognize that this may not always be the case. Even so, we continue to support demonstrators who are
tackling the paramount public health problem of pervasive racism. We express solidarity and gratitude toward demonstrators who have already taken on enormous personal risk to advocate for their own health, the health of their communities, and the public health of the United States. We pledge our services as allies who share this goal.

This letter is signed by 1,288 public health professionals, infectious diseases professionals, and
community stakeholders.

The 1288 health professions said nothing about the end of Covid. They said that, "Protests against systemic racism, which fosters the disproportionate burden of COVID-19 on Black communities and also perpetuates police violence, must be supported."


Covid is here, is new, and can be deadly, Police brutality and abuse of blacks can be more deadly and has been around for centuries. All men are created equal, why don't we act like it?

Covid is here, is new, and can be deadly, Police brutality and abuse of blacks can be more deadly and has been around for centuries. All men are created equal, why don't we act like it?VERY well put. I could not agree more.

Politics aside, it's not over 'till its over. Three weeks after Florida opening they set a new three day record of 4000 cases.

https://www.newsweek.com/florida-sets-new-single-day-record-coronavirus-cases-since-reopening-economy-over-4000-three-1509055?fbclid=IwAR03MjtR1pYiubKJnODIlnwqp_Qwgz4fS y3ZbJ-UICtkFTaY5iNoaD2Mivo

Politics aside, it's not over 'till its over. Three weeks after Florida opening they set a new three day record of 4000 cases.

https://www.newsweek.com/florida-sets-new-single-day-record-coronavirus-cases-since-reopening-economy-over-4000-three-1509055?fbclid=IwAR03MjtR1pYiubKJnODIlnwqp_Qwgz4fS y3ZbJ-UICtkFTaY5iNoaD2Mivo

It's not in Arizona, either: https://tucson.com/news/arizona_news/banner-healths-chief-clinician-urges-covid-19-precautions-or-crisis-will-worsen/article_6cf0c1ef-626e-5537-91f8-a476b3bf6cb8.html

The 1288 health professions said nothing about the end of Covid. They said that, "Protests against systemic racism, which fosters the disproportionate burden of COVID-19 on Black communities and also perpetuates police violence, must be supported."


Covid is here, is new, and can be deadly, Police brutality and abuse of blacks can be more deadly and has been around for centuries. All men are created equal, why don't we act like it?

Wait a second are you saying that Police Brutality is more deadly that COVID as in Police Brutality has kill more that 100,000 people in the US this year?

Wait a second are you saying that Police Brutality is more deadly that COVID as in Police Brutality has kill more that 100,000 people in the US this year?

The Protest vs. Covid lockdown justifications are causing a ton of hypocrisy on all sides. Mainly from the leaders vying to extend lockdowns and/or keep gatherings to a minimum who are completely okay with large groups of protestors gathered together and not wearing masks.

The Protest vs. Covid lockdown justifications are causing a ton of hypocrisy on all sides.

I think that is a fair take, however I think when it comes to protesting for something you believe in, you may take risks that would be unnecessary normally. If one were to place themselves at risk for exposure, protesting for (IMO much-needed) reform in policing is more important than standing in line at Disney world to buy a $40 stuffed animal and $12 hot dog.

Wait a second are you saying that Police Brutality is more deadly that COVID as in Police Brutality has kill more that 100,000 people in the US this year?

No, not in the last year....but Covid has been around for six months, systemic racism has been around a couple of centuries longer. Perhaps if you were black you could understand the problem.

I think that is a fair take, however I think when it comes to protesting for something you believe in, you may take risks that would be unnecessary normally. If one were to place themselves at risk for exposure, protesting for (IMO much-needed) reform in policing is more important than standing in line at Disney world to buy a $40 stuffed animal and $12 hot dog.

Agree completely though the conflicting guidelines are laughable. Here’s my favorite so far: https://www.google.com/amp/s/justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/california-county-only-permits-small-outdoor-social-gatherings-allows%3Famp

Agree completely though the conflicting guidelines are laughable. Here’s my favorite so far: https://www.google.com/amp/s/justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/california-county-only-permits-small-outdoor-social-gatherings-allows%3Famp

I think policymakers are stuck between a rock and a hard place. You have to make rules that comply with guidance from the CDC, but at the same time, you can't really legally restrict protesting. It is a fundamental right of our society.

I am a huge critic of a lot of policies right now, like closing entrances to grocery stores. How is it safer to force everyone to use the same entrance, instead of having both entrances open and letting people stay spread out? I went to a brewery the other night and they would not serve you if you were standing, you had to literally be seated to consume. I am sure some of this may be different as Colorado is in a different phase of reopening, and interpretations vary from region to region. But it makes everything a pain in the ass.

I think policymakers are stuck between a rock and a hard place. You have to make rules that comply with guidance from the CDC, but at the same time, you can't really legally restrict protesting. It is a fundamental right of our society.

I am a huge critic of a lot of policies right now, like closing entrances to grocery stores. How is it safer to force everyone to use the same entrance, instead of having both entrances open and letting people stay spread out? I went to a brewery the other night and they would not serve you if you were standing, you had to literally be seated to consume. I am sure some of this may be different as Colorado is in a different phase of reopening, and interpretations vary from region to region. But it makes everything a pain in the ass.

I always assumed they only had one grocery entrance open so it would be easier to clean the entrance and carts.

The Protest vs. Covid lockdown justifications are causing a ton of hypocrisy on all sides. Mainly from the leaders vying to extend lockdowns and/or keep gatherings to a minimum who are completely okay with large groups of protestors gathered together and not wearing masks.

Like the Govern of Michigan who had not problem being in a large group of protesters but still has business close.

i deleted all references to a pretty over the top post. if you feel the need to shout expletives at another user, then maybe you need to step away from the keyboard for awhile. we don't expect everybody to agree, but we expect you to be at least a little civil in the way you express your disagreements.

i deleted all references to a pretty over the top post. if you feel the need to shout expletives at another user, then maybe you need to step away from the keyboard for awhile. we don't expect everybody to agree, but we expect you to be at least a little civil in the way you express your disagreements.Thank you.

No, not in the last year....but Covid has been around for six months, systemic racism has been around a couple of centuries longer. Perhaps if you were black you could understand the problem.
Judging people by their skin color is ignorant and the very definition of racism. I encourage the posters on this board to focus on the issues and not on someone's skin color. The nature of the internet means that we do not know the age, sex, or skin color of the other posters. This should allow us to talk about the issues of the day rationally.

I oppose any system of belief that tells the individual what he or she can or can not do, think or understand based on thier skin color.

We all agree, but Rusty’s post had nothing in it that did what you claimed

We all agree, but Rusty’s post had nothing in it that did what you claimed

We disagree and I'll let it rest there. The people lurking in this thread can read what he wrote and make up their own mind about the topic. I am moving on from the topic.

The Protest vs. Covid lockdown justifications are causing a ton of hypocrisy on all sides. Mainly from the leaders vying to extend lockdowns and/or keep gatherings to a minimum who are completely okay with large groups of protestors gathered together and not wearing masks.

Sounds like we won’t need mail-in voting anymore since it is safe enough to get out and protest.

Judging people by their skin color is ignorant and the very definition of racism. I encourage the posters on this board to focus on the issues and not on someone's skin color. The nature of the internet means that we do not know the age, sex, or skin color of the other posters. This should allow us to talk about the issues of the day rationally.

I oppose any system of belief that tells the individual what he or she can or can not do, think or understand based on thier skin color.

I believe we were discussing the differences between the BLACK LIVES MATTER (BLM) Protests vs the LOCK DOWN Protests. Nothing I wrote was designed to be racist and if you took it that way, I am sorry. What I tried to convey is that if you lived in a black man's shoes you would know what the BLM Protests were about and would likely agree that they are far more important that Lock Down protest or whatever you want to call them. As you noted, this is an internet conversation, I have no idea whether you are black, red, white, yellow or brown. I was refuting your attitude, not your skin color.

Additionally, I was supporting the 1288 Health Care workers who signed the letter referenced above which was the basis of my original post.

I believe we were discussing the differences between the BLACK LIVES MATTER (BLM) Protests vs the LOCK DOWN Protests. Nothing I wrote was designed to be racist and if you took it that way, I am sorry. What I tried to convey is that if you lived in a black man's shoes you would know what the BLM Protests were about and would likely agree that they are far more important that Lock Down protest or whatever you want to call them. As you noted, this is an internet conversation, I have no idea whether you are black, red, white, yellow or brown. I was refuting your attitude, not your skin color.

Additionally, I was supporting the 1288 Health Care workers who signed the letter referenced above which was the basis of my original post.

In the broad, historical scheme of things the BLM protests are probably more important but to the small business owners and those thrown out of their means of supporting their families, the Lock Down protests are no less important to them. Until you've walked in the shoes of a franchise owner, a waiter, cook or independent contractor who can't work OR file for unemployment due to state law or income level you would understand what they are about.

Like the Govern of Michigan who had not problem being in a large group of protesters but still has business close.

BOO. Ugly post. Woman has faced death threats for doing a good job. Her state capitol was invaded by paid white supremacists carrying semi-automatic rifles.

BOO. Ugly post. Woman has faced death threats for doing a good job. Her state capitol was invaded by paid white supremacists carrying semi-automatic rifles.

LOL, you’ve become such an extremist. It’s comical.

It’s okay to not like the lockdown protests but at the same time acknowledge the hypocrisy of being fine with large groups of people gathered closely together to protest one cause vs being against another while citing social distancing, fear of covid infection ramifications, etc as being reasons for being against the lockdown protests but totally throwing that out for the George Floyd protests. Not to mention emphatically extending lockdowns a week or two earlier (thus not allowing businesses to open) but being completely okay with people packing-in close together for protests.

As long as the protests are peaceful, anyone who wants to protest should be allowed regardless of how governors, health officials, the president, or anyone else feels about it and they all rightfully were. You can dislike/ridicule the lockdown protestors all you want, they might have been carrying big scary guns (which they were doing legally)...but I don't remember any of those protests descending into widespread looting, vandalism and violence as night fell (and someone please correct me if I'm wrong but I never saw widespread violence erupt as a result of the lockdown protests). Obviously the VAST majority of the George Floyd protestors were peaceful and conducted themselves honorably but to act like carrying large rifles (the worst thing that can be said about the lockdown protestors' actual actions) is worse than looting, vandalism, burning down businesses, and ACTUAL violence is a bit disingenuous.

In the broad, historical scheme of things the BLM protests are probably more important but to the small business owners and those thrown out of their means of supporting their families, the Lock Down protests are no less important to them. Until you've walked in the shoes of a franchise owner, a waiter, cook or independent contractor who can't work OR file for unemployment due to state law or income level you would understand what they are about.

100%. A little more empathy all around would be welcomed these days.

... carrying large rifles (the worst thing that can be said about the lockdown protestors' actual actions) ...

Hanging effigies and making death threats is a bit worse than carrying large rifles.

Back to the topic shall we. 55 new cases no deaths. I'm liking this under a hundred a day trend. However Tuesdays have usually not been good so we shall see. Meanwhile So far, most states are not there. As of June 4, just six states — Connecticut, Kentucky, New Jersey, New York, Oklahoma, and Wyoming — met four or five of the goals, which demonstrates strong progress You can read that story here https://www.vox.com/2020/5/28/21270515/coronavirus-covid-reopen-economy-social-distancing-states-map-data

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asymptomatic-coronavirus-patients-arent-spreading-new-infections-who-says.html

"From the data we have, it still seems to be rare that an asymptomatic person actually transmits onward to a secondary individual," Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove, head of WHO's emerging diseases and zoonosis unit, said at a news briefing from the United Nations agency's Geneva headquarters. "It's very rare."

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asymptomatic-coronavirus-patients-arent-spreading-new-infections-who-says.html

"From the data we have, it still seems to be rare that an asymptomatic person actually transmits onward to a secondary individual," Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove, head of WHO's emerging diseases and zoonosis unit, said at a news briefing from the United Nations agency's Geneva headquarters. "It's very rare."

Interesting but not sure I'm ready to trust WHO just yet.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asymptomatic-coronavirus-patients-arent-spreading-new-infections-who-says.html

"From the data we have, it still seems to be rare that an asymptomatic person actually transmits onward to a secondary individual," Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove, head of WHO's emerging diseases and zoonosis unit, said at a news briefing from the United Nations agency's Geneva headquarters. "It's very rare."

This goes against most of the researchers I've been reading for months... so the virus has spread to this many people almost solely based on transmissions from those who are symptomatic? That seems unlikely, but that would be good news if true. I'll definitely have to read more to .


Interesting but not sure I'm ready to trust WHO just yet.

I generally trust the CDC and WHO, but just read them with a critical eye and weigh their recommendations against other evidence. Both organizations offered wrong advice about mask-wearing in contradiction to epidemiologists and the emerging science. So, they can get stuff wrong, but they're not bad sources in general.

KOKC just reported a spike in numbers for Covid? What am i really missing here? I do see that cases are on an upward trend for the OKC metro area not sure I would call it a "spike". Increase yes spike not really. Anyone have more info?

KOKC just reported a spike in numbers for Covid? What am i really missing here? I do see that cases are on an upward trend for the OKC metro area not sure I would call it a "spike". Increase yes spike not really. Anyone have more info?
Typical news sensationalism?

27 of the 55 new cases were from one nursing home in Hugo. I think we will see that more and more. We do need to protect those as much as possible.

27 of the 55 new cases were from one nursing home in Hugo. I think we will see that more and more. We do need to protect those as much as possible.
Agreed. My mom is in a south side OKC nursing home. I want to see her but I’m absolutely willing to not see her in the effort to keep everyone there safe.

Agreed. My mom is in a south side OKC nursing home. I want to see her but I’m absolutely willing to not see her in the effort to keep everyone there safe.

I'm sorry for your situation. My mom died in a nursing home a few months before COVID and it would have hurt a lot to not be able to see her at all.

The only thing I don't get is that some people were talking about fire Fauci and how bad he was. Trump even promoted this stuff (but maybe he knows he shouldn't). But Fauci has always been level headed and science based (except for lying about mask at the begining). But Fauci is right when he says there will be outbreaks from these BLM protest just like there are some new cases from Memorial Day.
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Maybe people will have to start dressing up like this during protest. It's pretty damn hot but I've seen people dressed up like this protesting in incredibly humid and fairly hot weather in hong kong for the past year. Granted it came to a hault in January once Covid hit. But no matter what Covid isn't over though.

27 of the 55 new cases were from one nursing home in Hugo. I think we will see that more and more. We do need to protect those as much as possible.

Intriguing.

I know it cannot be proven, but I would bet money that a majority of cases are asymptomatic. There seems to be a lot of cases in nursing homes. I think maybe this is due to visitors eith no symptoms.

So I did a little research on the CNBC story that asymptomatic people don’t spread the virus and—as you’d expect—that’s not the case. Here’s an expert explaining: https://twitter.com/CT_Bergstrom/status/1270105417838784512?s=20

Read the whole thread, but here’s the most relevant tweets:


The details get a bit tangled and to my dismay not all data are made available, but in short the @WHO statement pertains to "truly asymptomatic" people who never show classic symptoms, not to pre-symptomatic people who we know can transmit days before showing symptoms.

Even if truly asymptomatic spread is very rare, pre-symptomatic transmission is likely to be important.

We still need to wear masks and distance to avoid spreading the virus during this period, probably concentrated in days 3-6 after infection.

So I did a little research on the CNBC story that asymptomatic people don’t spread the virus and—as you’d expect—that’s not the case. Here’s an expert explaining: https://twitter.com/CT_Bergstrom/status/1270105417838784512?s=20

Read the whole thread, but here’s the most relevant tweets:

Wait, so we shouldn't believe the WHO anymore? I thought we should always trust them, and the CDC, and they were nothing but honest throughout this whole pandemic?

Wait, so we shouldn't believe the WHO anymore? I thought we should always trust them, and the CDC, and they were nothing but honest throughout this whole pandemic?

I dont think that is what he said. The WHO report looks like it doesn't do a good job explaining true asymptomatic versus pre-symptomatic people. That being said of course WHO and the CDC didn't get everything right. It is a new virus and the science changes daily. We don't even have a good treatment for this yet.

... But Fauci has always been level headed and science based (except for lying about mask at the begining). ...

"lying"???? Do you realize how science works? You get a hypothesis, you test it, it might or might not work, if it doesn't, you test it again with modified parameters, etc. He wasn't "lying", he was working off the best information they had at the time and once that hypothesis hit a dead end, they modified it. :doh:

Wait, so we shouldn't believe the WHO anymore? I thought we should always trust them, and the CDC, and they were nothing but honest throughout this whole pandemic?

Your sarcasm aside, it was a statement that meant something clinical to scientists and was misrepresented in the way it was reported by a lot of outlets (so yes, was admittedly careless). They're holding a press conference this morning to clarify. This was an example of poor scientific communication, but that doesn't mean they are useless or inaccurate.

https://twitter.com/ASlavitt/status/1270348830958063618


@ASlavitt
BREAKING: WHO clarifies that they estimate 16% of people are asymptomatic and can transmit the virus.

https://twitter.com/ASlavitt/status/1270349431825666052

@ASlavitt
BIG NEWS: WHO says 40% of transmissions may be through asymptomatic people per models.

I'm sorry for your situation. My mom died in a nursing home a few months before COVID and it would have hurt a lot to not be able to see her at all.She has been going downhill mentally and physically for awhile. So it wouldn’t amaze me if she goes before we can get to see her again. I hope not. Especially for my sisters. It would be really be hard on them.

Daily increases reported today (all big numbers):

Positives: 158
Hospitalized: 22
Deaths: 5

Daily increases reported today (all big numbers):

Positives: 158
Hospitalized: 22
Deaths: 5

They'll be some sort of excuse like it came from one town or Correctional Facility or something JS. Covid is here to stay.

Daily increases reported today (all big numbers):

Positives: 158
Hospitalized: 22
Deaths: 5

Meh. These were from 2 weeks ago. That is the problem with OK's system. It is behind. But, as long as hospitals are handling things, there will be no changes coming.