Yes, the virus can spread at a party and a protest similarly. Sunlight does NOT kill COVID-19. It doesn’t matter if it’s day or nighttime. My understanding is that the viral load is reduced outdoors as the air and wind dissolves (maybe not the right word) it. But, the reason people view these two instances differently is not because they’re medically different, but because they’re socially different — partying vs protesting. Our response to COVID-19 is all about level of risk and why people are taking it. Besides, lots of protestors worse masks and almost none of the partiers did from what I’ve seen. That’s why the SOCIAL response has been different. But your point that both could spread it is true, but it’s also true that outdoor events are safer (not necessarily safe) than indoor ones.

Yes, the virus can spread at a party and a protest similarly. Sunlight does NOT kill COVID-19. It doesn’t matter if it’s day or nighttime. My understanding is that the viral load is reduced outdoors as the air and wind dissolves (maybe not the right word) it. But, the reason people view these two instances differently is not because they’re medically different, but because they’re socially different — partying vs protesting. Our response to COVID-19 is all about level of risk and why people are taking it. Besides, lots of protestors worse masks and almost none of the partiers did from what I’ve seen. That’s why the SOCIAL response has been different. But your point that both could spread it is true, but it’s also true that outdoor events are safer (not necessarily safe) than indoor ones.

Fair enough oh and News 4 at 6:30 only talked about the virus for 45 seconds. They said people were worried about the protest and they gave the numbers for the day. That however was it.

Here is a story about the sunlight. It Kills it pretty quickly. https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-04-sunlight-coronavirus-quickly-scientists.html

Fair enough oh and News 4 at 6:30 only talked about the virus for 45 seconds. They said people were worried about the protest and they gave the numbers for the day. That however was it.

Here is a story about the sunlight. It Kills it pretty quickly. https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-04-sunlight-coronavirus-quickly-scientists.html

Not according to USA Today:https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/03/30/fact-check-sunlight-does-not-kill-new-coronavirus/2931170001/

Not according to USA Today:https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/03/30/fact-check-sunlight-does-not-kill-new-coronavirus/2931170001/

We really don't know much about this virus when it really comes down too it. I have heard it's mutinying and weakening. Then another report says it's spreads easier.

We really don't know much about this virus when it really comes down too it. I have heard it's mutinying and weakening. Then another report says it's spreads easier.

EXACTLY. Today's Expert Opinion is tomorrow's long forgotten misinformation. I can't wait to see how the ball once again is moved in two weeks when there is no significant spike throughout the USA. We've opened major cities, more people don't wear masks than do, we've had a Memorial weekend and now close contact protesting. I predict there will be some small increase in hospitalizations, but nothing near in support of some of the doomsday predictions or insistence of some that anything resembling normalcy will result in catastrophe.

^Thanks for your opinion, Brad. It's been super helpful this entire time.

^Thanks for your opinion, Brad. It's been super helpful this entire time.

No problem. Why does a differing opinion mean I need to be the target of your sarcasm? This thread is fully of equally helpful posts. There are no certainties at this point. It's an opinion. It's all opinion.

119 new case and 5 new deaths and the pop up and redirects are back.

This explains some things, but isn't good news.

https://www.alternet.org/2020/06/new-study-helps-unravel-the-mystery-behind-the-coronaviruss-baffling-symptoms/

Here is a story about the sunlight. It Kills it pretty quickly. https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-04-sunlight-coronavirus-quickly-scientists.html

This is not a credible source.


EXACTLY. Today's Expert Opinion is tomorrow's long forgotten misinformation. I can't wait to see how the ball once again is moved in two weeks when there is no significant spike throughout the USA. We've opened major cities, more people don't wear masks than do, we've had a Memorial weekend and now close contact protesting. I predict there will be some small increase in hospitalizations, but nothing near in support of some of the doomsday predictions or insistence of some that anything resembling normalcy will result in catastrophe.

We do not have a science problem, we have a science/media illiteracy problem... and your post shows a misunderstanding of what scientists have said and what science is. Scientists and epidemiologists have actually been very careful, measured, and accurate—as they always are—about COVID-19. Scientists almost always offer very measured claims that qualify limitations and consider alternatives. That's why most studies end with something along the lines of "more research is needed." Few scientific studies can give simple answers to complex problems.

Most people that think experts haven't done a good job have been reading and sharing uncredible sources spreading misinformation. I've been carefully following experts this entire pandemic and their advice has been really consistent and helpful.

I will note that the CDC and WHO have both made some mistakes in their messaging around masks and not clearly explaining scientific lingo to the general public.

Covid 19 is over with. The Media has moved on.

It's still a disease you don't want to take a chance getting since you don't know how your body will respond to it. If you're older, you especially don't want to take a chance with it. In Oklahoma, 80.5% of the deaths due to COVID-19 happened to those age 65 or over. That there still isn't a well established treatment for it or a vaccine are more reasons you don't want to take a chance getting it.

And people are still not wanting to social distance at stores, they say they don't have the time for it and just walk right up to you. Or in one case, a man pulled my shopping cart out of my hand to get to an item as I was getting someting off the shelf. I'm older over 60. It seems all I do when shopping is asking people to please respect social distancing and they just laugh at me. What is an older lady to do? I live alone, no neighbors to help and out in the country. Curb side service is fine sometimes but sometimes you have to look at something to see what you need to fix something and have to go in the store. Lowe's seems the worst about people not social distancing. Wont even go into the guy with the dog jumping on people and running around on a long long leash. (lucky I was a ways away, people thought that was cute, well until the dog knocks someone down)

And people are still not wanting to social distance at stores, they say they don't have the time for it and just walk right up to you. Or in one case, a man pulled my shopping cart out of my hand to get to an item as I was getting someting off the shelf. I'm older over 60. It seems all I do when shopping is asking people to please respect social distancing and they just laugh at me. What is an older lady to do? I live alone, no neighbors to help and out in the country. Curb side service is fine sometimes but sometimes you have to look at something to see what you need to fix something and have to go in the store. Lowe's seems the worst about people not social distancing. Wont even go into the guy with the dog jumping on people and running around on a long long leash. (lucky I was a ways away, people thought that was cute, well until the dog knocks someone down)

People can be jerks. It's sad. Shop online. Use curbside pickup. We're doing as much of that as possible. Yesterday I went inside the first building I've been in since early April. Hibdon, to rotate tires and take care of a flat on tires they sold me. I was the only one wearing a mask. They did have a barrier up to keep people 6 feet from their counter workers.

Realize not OKC but is Oklahoma
OSU football player test positive

Ogbongbemiga said he tested positive after attending the protest against police brutality toward people of color.

“After attending a protest in Tulsa AND being well protective of myself, I have tested positive for COVID-19,” Ogbongbemiga said in his tweet. “Please, if you are going to protest, take care of yourself and stay safe.”

https://www.tulsaworld.com/sports/college/osu/osu-football-after-participating-in-tulsa-protest-linebacker-amen-ogbongbemiga-tests-positive-for-covid-19/article_a7e33e03-4311-5ba3-aa34-120272ba90ef.html

rumor is 5 players have tested positive.

That seems to be a pretty quick turnaround. I thought it usually takes two weeks for the virus to be detectable after exposure? Or has testing improved recently?

That seems to be a pretty quick turnaround. I thought it usually takes two weeks for the virus to be detectable after exposure? Or has testing improved recently?

The article is misleading, or at least the title, I believe.

The article is misleading, or at least the title, I believe.

When did he take the test? I know people still waiting over a week now for results. Was he showing symptoms or did he decide to get tested on his own. Either way that would be a real quick turn around from the protest to getting it to testing positive. Maybe it was a rapid test?

113 new cases. Two days over 100. I wish we could get more details on when the test we're done. How long is the backlog 10 days 2 weeks? Are these possible Memorial Day Weekend people?

That seems to be a pretty quick turnaround. I thought it usually takes two weeks for the virus to be detectable after exposure? Or has testing improved recently?

I'm not sure about testing result turnaround, but I remember reading that the arrival of symptoms can occur anywhere from 2-12 days after exposure with a median time of I believe 5-7 days. And I'd assume it is detectable once you're symptomatic.

A family member was tested on May 18 at a drive-through site in OKC. She just received her negative results yesterday. Seems like a long turnaround to me.

Depends on the testing and the site I guess (as well as prioritizing). My son got tested this morning before his MRI tomorrow. They'll have the results before 1pm tomorrow.

Depends on the testing and the site I guess (as well as prioritizing). My son got tested this morning before his MRI tomorrow. They'll have the results before 1pm tomorrow.

Similar story for my uncle who was tested before surgery. Got a positive (he is 67 with no symptoms). Was then tested again and got a negative. I am thinking it was probably false positive but that was a wild ride.

When did he take the test? I know people still waiting over a week now for results. Was he showing symptoms or did he decide to get tested on his own. Either way that would be a real quick turn around from the protest to getting it to testing positive. Maybe it was a rapid test?

OSU has been testing football players and staff.

OSU has been testing all football players.And OSU’s lab has been cranking out more results than any other lab so........

And OSU’s lab has been cranking out more results than any other lab so........

Sounds like 3 out of 150. Not shocked by that at all. I have a feeling the NBA is going to see the same results. People have it and just don't know they have it. I wonder of the 3 that tested positive if they had any symptoms at all.

If you tested 150 workers say at a Wal-mart I bet you would get a few back positive.

Sounds like 3 out of 150. Not shocked by that at all. I have a feeling the NBA is going to see the same results. People have it and just don't know they have it. I wonder of the 3 that tested positive if they had any symptoms at all.

If you tested 150 workers say at a Wal-mart I bet you would get a few back positive.All 3 showed no symptoms. And OSU, like I’m sure all the schools and pro leagues have a plan in place for when the expected positives happen. That’s one big difference between March and now. Back then positives were met with, not panic, but closer to that than calm control. Now positives are dealt with much more calmly.

And yes. It’s everywhere. Now that we have everyone back at the office I’m sure there would be at least one positive, asymptomatic result if we tested everyone.

102 new cases today. So now three days in a row? On another note how is the mask wearing going. I don't get out much so I can't say are less people wearing them everyday or is it about the same

And people are still not wanting to social distance at stores, they say they don't have the time for it and just walk right up to you. Or in one case, a man pulled my shopping cart out of my hand to get to an item as I was getting someting off the shelf. I'm older over 60. It seems all I do when shopping is asking people to please respect social distancing and they just laugh at me. What is an older lady to do? I live alone, no neighbors to help and out in the country. Curb side service is fine sometimes but sometimes you have to look at something to see what you need to fix something and have to go in the store. Lowe's seems the worst about people not social distancing. Wont even go into the guy with the dog jumping on people and running around on a long long leash. (lucky I was a ways away, people thought that was cute, well until the dog knocks someone down)

I would suggest trying, if you haven't already tried, to go to stores at less busy hours. Maybe early to mid morning.

102 new cases today. So now three days in a row? On another note how is the mask wearing going. I don't get out much so I can't say are less people wearing them everyday or is it about the same

I haven't gotten out much, but I went to visit my barber today for the first time in over 3 months. She owns her own shop and her clientele is mostly men over 65. She wasn't wearing a mask which I thought was against the current restrictions for barbers. I left and went to a SportsClips and all of their stylists were wearing masks.
I won't go to places that don't wear masks because it tells me that they don't care about their customers health.

I haven't gotten out much, but I went to visit my barber today for the first time in over 3 months. She owns her own shop and her clientele is mostly men over 65. She wasn't wearing a mask which I thought was against the current restrictions for barbers. I left and went to a SportsClips and all of their stylists were wearing masks.
I won't go to places that don't wear masks because it tells me that they don't care about their customers health.

Totally agree with the last sentence. Hopefully you told her why you left (some people don't like confrontation and will just leave a restaurant, etc. and not tell a manager/supervisor/et al why their experience was subpar, but that doesn't let the establishment know what the problem is, hence they can't/won't fix it). Here are the guidelines for salons, etc., they're pretty watered down and don't mean much ("... consider using personal protective
equipment such as gloves or face masks if the customer requests.").

https://www.okcommerce.gov/wp-content/uploads/Hair-and-Nail-Salon-and-Barbershop-Guidance.pdf

I do try to go to stores early in the morning and at senior times but not all stores have them, The most problem atic has been Lowe's. Yes I know about parking lot pickup but sometimes you just have to look at items to see what will work to fix the problem. I've also noticed that more and more younger people are coming to the reserved for senior/more vulnerable people times. Seems like people don't care. I've asked some and they just say they don't, they say they just need to shop and don't care to wear a mask or social distance. " I don't have time for that"

I do try to go to stores early in the morning and at senior times but not all stores have them, The most problem atic has been Lowe's. Yes I know about parking lot pickup but sometimes you just have to look at items to see what will work to fix the problem. I've also noticed that more and more younger people are coming to the reserved for senior/more vulnerable people times. Seems like people don't care. I've asked some and they just say they don't, they say they just need to shop and don't care to wear a mask or social distance. " I don't have time for that"

Sadly, just wait until phase 3 is over, which is the end of June, I think. A huuuuuuuge percentage of people are going to care even less and say "screw it, I'm done with all this, they say everything can re-open, it's over", and it's going to be back to "normal", and COVID-19 is still going to be out there, infecting/injuring/killing people.

Sadly, just wait until phase 3 is over, which is the end of June, I think. A huuuuuuuge percentage of people are going to care even less and say "screw it, I'm done with all this, they say everything can re-open, it's over", and it's going to be back to "normal", and COVID-19 is still going to be out there, infecting/injuring/killing people.I don’t think they’re waiting. I stopped at Buy For Less on the Expressway on the way home from work yesterday. I felt pretty unique wearing my mask. Only a couple other people had one and one of them unhooked it from one ear and just had it hanging by the other ear. I hope one or more of the vaccines works out soon.

I think people are doing that right now. I just try to stay home as much as possible and use curbside pick up as much as possible. I am so tired of trying to dodge people who think its ok to just walk right up next to you and stand right next to you in stores. With a bad knee its hard to keep moving away. I spend about 90% of my shopping time dodging people and 10% shopping. I wind up giving up and just going back home. Cannot do grocery delivery out in the country. No one to shop for me. I'm over 60 so just do what I can.

I think people are doing that right now. I just try to stay home as much as possible and use curbside pick up as much as possible. I am so tired of trying to dodge people who think its ok to just walk right up next to you and stand right next to you in stores. With a bad knee its hard to keep moving away. I spend about 90% of my shopping time dodging people and 10% shopping. I wind up giving up and just going back home. Cannot do grocery delivery out in the country. No one to shop for me. I'm over 60 so just do what I can.

I see people shaking hands on a daily basis with no gloves masks or anything. It's not all the way back to pre-covid but it's getting there.

A day behind I think. I have not looked up numbers for today.

https://i.imgur.com/yJQDegV.jpg

https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/

I think people are doing that right now. I just try to stay home as much as possible and use curbside pick up as much as possible. I am so tired of trying to dodge people who think its ok to just walk right up next to you and stand right next to you in stores. With a bad knee its hard to keep moving away. I spend about 90% of my shopping time dodging people and 10% shopping. I wind up giving up and just going back home. Cannot do grocery delivery out in the country. No one to shop for me. I'm over 60 so just do what I can.

Is there a way to you can do grocery pickup? I believe most Walmarts have this if that is an option for you. Sorry to hear about people being rude... I am young and do my best to mask up and get in and out of the store quickly. Starting to see people not really following the rules day by day.

I see people shaking hands on a daily basis with no gloves masks or anything. It's not all the way back to pre-covid but it's getting there.

What line of work are you in? I haven't seen anybody shaking hands or been approached to do so, thankfully. I have no problem being rude & declining.

What line of work are you in? I haven't seen anybody shaking hands or been approached to do so, thankfully. I have no problem being rude & declining.

Some state house candidate knocked on my door recently and extended his hand when I opened it. I'm guessing just so much built in habit for so many people. Like you, I have no problem declining and no one has taken it poorly so far.

Some state house candidate knocked on my door recently and extended his hand when I opened it. I'm guessing just so much built in habit for so many people. Like you, I have no problem declining and no one has taken it poorly so far.

For some reason I thought to myself, "I should get a fake hand to reach out to people who come to door during this time."

For some reason I thought to myself, "I should get a fake hand to reach out to people who come to door during this time."

Great idea! I've thought about a water gun to get people to back off. That might end as bad as getting the virus though.

A day behind I think. I have not looked up numbers for today.

https://i.imgur.com/yJQDegV.jpg

https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/

Well on one hand no major jumps after being open now since May 1st and 15th. On the other hand numbers still the same now for a month with maybe only a slight decrease so weather is not affecting it.

At this point you just have to accept we accomplished what we set out to do. We flattened the curve, allowed our hospitals to prepare, allowed PPE manufacturers to produce, allowed time for scientists to study the virus & learn how it effects people and for how to prevent it from spreading out of control. Most people learned how to get through their day to day lives safely through changing behavior. I wish more people took it seriously & wore a mask. If they did we could prevent even more deaths.

It sucks the virus happened, its a natural disaster. People have died & will continue to do so but I totally agree at this point with reopenings now. The closings we had were completely necessary & were the right decision. We've prepared as well as we could going forward, just dont relax & treat the threat with respect.

At this point you just have to accept we accomplished what we set out to do. We flattened the curve, allowed our hospitals to prepare, allowed PPE manufacturers to produce, allowed time for scientists to study the virus & learn how it effects people and for how to prevent it from spreading out of control. Most people learned how to get through their day to day lives safely through changing behavior. I wish more people took it seriously & wore a mask. If they did we could prevent even more deaths.

It sucks the virus happened, its a natural disaster. People have died & will continue to do so but I totally agree at this point with reopenings now. The closings we had were completely necessary & were the right decision. We've prepared as well as we could going forward, just dont relax & treat the threat with respect.

+1 Captured my feelings exactly.

Is there a way to you can do grocery pickup? I believe most Walmarts have this if that is an option for you. Sorry to hear about people being rude... I am young and do my best to mask up and get in and out of the store quickly. Starting to see people not really following the rules day by day.

Saw a tweet that went something like this (paraphrased, of course): "As far as expecting people to follow mask, hand-washing, and social distancing guidelines, I used to work in retail and had so many people take dumps in the fitting rooms, it was insane. You're way overestimating people if you think they'll follow the guidelines."

I avoid Walmart on a good day, and usually shop once a month or so for non food items. I shop Sprouts and Aldi's for groceries. Its just a bit hard to shop for meat when you don't know what they have and what it looks like. Canned foods and packaged foods are easier. I do also go to Natural Grocer for a few items (milk and bread) Usually no issues. One of the last times in there only one other shopper and nope would not follow the signs at the check out. ughhh.

Glad to know that Hunter determined the OK Health Dept. can keep informing the public.

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For some reason I thought to myself, "I should get a fake hand to reach out to people who come to door during this time."

Not shaking someone's home from your door seems a little too paranoid, since you're steps away from being able to wash your hands when you're through with the person, while being careful not to touch your face. I can better understand when it's outside the home and it isn't easy to promptly wash your hands.

Sadly, just wait until phase 3 is over, which is the end of June, I think. A huuuuuuuge percentage of people are going to care even less and say "screw it, I'm done with all this, they say everything can re-open, it's over", and it's going to be back to "normal", and COVID-19 is still going to be out there, infecting/injuring/killing people.

Pretty sure that's already happening, if this tweet is any indication: https://twitter.com/Ballislife/status/1268668289892397058

Not shaking someone's home from your door seems a little too paranoid, since you're steps away from being able to wash your hands when you're through with the person, while being careful not to touch your face. I can better understand when it's outside the home and it isn't easy to promptly wash your hands.

. . . my house, my door, my rules!! :):)

For some reason I thought to myself, "I should get a fake hand to reach out to people who come to door during this time."

well... now i want to get a fake hand for anytime a salesperson or politician comes by. i'll just put that thing under my sleeve when i answer the door and then shake hands with it like everything's normal. i'm not even that concerned about catching the virus through a handshake... i just want to see their expression.

Not shaking someone's home from your door seems a little too paranoid, since you're steps away from being able to wash your hands when you're through with the person, while being careful not to touch your face. I can better understand when it's outside the home and it isn't easy to promptly wash your hands.

Really? If a dude is knocking door to door asking to shake hands, there's a good chance he has just shook dozens of other hands before yours without ever having the opportunity to wash his own hands. There is no reason to risk it.

Really? If a dude is knocking door to door asking to shake hands, there's a good chance he has just shook dozens of other hands before yours without ever having the opportunity to wash his own hands. There is no reason to risk it.

Then don't answer the door to strangers in the first place, especially if you don't want to put on a mask to greet them.

I simply don’t answer the door unless I’m expecting someone and I know it’s them.

Anyone going door to door had better have the good sense to expect no handshakes. If they're offended, it really isn't my problem.

Anyone have updated numbers today. On a side note do you see where 5 Alabama players tested positive. It didn't say out of how many but i have a feeling actually i have thought all along way more people have this then we think. I just don't see how the NBA is going to be able to do it. Players are going to test positive I just don't see a way they won't unless they just go to the gym and back. I think they would of been better off doing all this in May when the resort was still closed.

Anyone have updated numbers today. On a side note do you see where 5 Alabama players tested positive. It didn't say out of how many but i have a feeling actually i have thought all along way more people have this then we think. I just don't see how the NBA is going to be able to do it. Players are going to test positive I just don't see a way they won't unless they just go to the gym and back. I think they would of been better off doing all this in May when the resort was still closed.

This is the latest I've ever seen us go without an update.

The OSDH reports technical issues are preventing an update for June 5.

The OSDH reports technical issues are preventing an update for June 5.

Their computer system got a virus?

Their computer system got a virus?

Or someone spilled a Corona on it?