I seen else where that there is a 2 week back log on results. I know someone personally that is on day 7 waiting to get results back.

If they are not counting the quick test how many of them are being done in a day? There is still a ton of information that I feel is being held back.

That's coupled with the fact that someone that just got it yesterday, isn't going to go in for testing the day after. With a potential delay of up to 14 days for symptoms you know there's at least two weeks built in since transmission aka for the person above referencing the holiday weekend. We won't see the impacts for a couple weeks at best.

Didn't somebody on here (d-usa?) say that testing results are 12 days behind?
If I remember right that post was talking about specific results from the OSDH lab. Looking at quite a few OERs the bulk of results by far are being reported by OSU, LabCorp and Regional Medical Lab. I wonder if they’re as slow.

True but direct sunlight almost kills it instantly on surfaces. So unless your kissing or coughing on someone and keep at least a few feet from someone outside in direct sunlight your probably going to be ok. That being said some of these people were probably too close to one another but it's not the end of the world that these people were outside having a good time.

Do you have a link for this? I would like to read more.

True but direct sunlight almost kills it instantly on surfaces. So unless your kissing or coughing on someone and keep at least a few feet from someone outside in direct sunlight your probably going to be ok. That being said some of these people were probably too close to one another but it's not the end of the world that these people were outside having a good time.

I'm betting this swim party was in direct sunlight. Didn't work so well for them. https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/23/us/arkansas-swim-party-coronavirus/index.html

Also, your logic confuses me. If you're outside and not kissing or coughing on someone or near other people, you're probably just fine regardless of the sun or temperature.

I'm betting this swim party was in direct sunlight. Didn't work so well for them. https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/23/us/arkansas-swim-party-coronavirus/index.html

Also, your logic confuses me. If you're outside and not kissing or coughing on someone or near other people, you're probably just fine regardless of the sun or temperature.

Ok you got me on that one true. The pool party story has way too many holes. Was it outdoors? How do they know they all got sick from the party? As far as sunlight about 7 minutes and the virus is killed a quick internet search will find you that.

Meanwhile https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/23/us/missouri-hairstylist-coronavirus-trnd/index.html

Ok you got me on that one true. The pool party story has way too many holes. Was it outdoors? How do they know they all got sick from the party? As far as sunlight about 7 minutes and the virus is killed a quick internet search will find you that.

Meanwhile https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/23/us/missouri-hairstylist-coronavirus-trnd/index.html
A quick internet search brings up a pretty equal amount of “sun kills coronavirus” and “sun might not kill coronavirus”. I’m not betting on it.

I seen else where that there is a 2 week back log on results. I know someone personally that is on day 7 waiting to get results back.

If they are not counting the quick test how many of them are being done in a day? There is still a ton of information that I feel is being held back.

My wife was tested on May 13th and still hasn’t got results back. So the two week backlog you mention seems to be pretty accurate from what I’ve seen.

Ok you got me on that one true. The pool party story has way too many holes. Was it outdoors? How do they know they all got sick from the party? As far as sunlight about 7 minutes and the virus is killed a quick internet search will find you that.

Meanwhile https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/23/us/missouri-hairstylist-coronavirus-trnd/index.html

I haven't seen any confirmation that the party outdoors, but it's a pretty safe bet it was. As for claiming it came from the pool party, I'm certain some simple contact tracing is what pointed to the swim party.

As for the Great Clips story. I really hate when they report stories like that because many people not paying attention will think that there term exposed means contracted the virus. I haven't read anything confirming any of the customers contracted the virus while getting a hair cut.

And for the record, while my family and I do not wear masks in general. We do while doing things like getting a haircut.

If I remember right that post was talking about specific results from the OSDH lab. Looking at quite a few OERs the bulk of results by far are being reported by OSU, LabCorp and Regional Medical Lab. I wonder if they’re as slow.

Correct. But even with receiving the positive results on Monday, they were not included in the official count until Friday. We are now using a private lab, and we are averaging 5 days on results right now. I will have to see how long any positives there take to be included in our count.

A few posts back the OU vs OSU rivalry being brought up was an indicator of normalcy returning. Well today I ran into my first post-reopening, stopped on the highway, traffic jam on I44 on the way home. Oddly I almost enjoyed it. Amlost.

OHD reported 322 recoveries against 92 new positives. That puts our actives under 800.

Again, recoveries are a bogus number and our actives are way higher. People with active disease are no longer counted after 14 days. The health department pretends they are “recovered” and simply drops them from the roster of active cases without regard to their actual clinical status. You can have active disease and continue to spread, but if you’re not dead or in the hospital you are “recovered”.

True but direct sunlight almost kills it instantly on surfaces. So unless your kissing or coughing on someone and keep at least a few feet from someone outside in direct sunlight your probably going to be ok. That being said some of these people were probably too close to one another but it's not the end of the world that these people were outside having a good time.

How hard is to NOT spread health misinformation? It’s dangerous. No, this is not true.

There is lots of evidence that being outdoors is much safer because the viral load can’t accumulate as much as indoors. Still, if someone’s cigarette smoke can reach you then their droplets can too. The best medical advice I’ve seen is to maintain a minimum of 6 feet from people whenever possible. It doesn’t matter whether the sun is out or not.

Again, recoveries are a bogus number and our actives are way higher. People with active disease are no longer counted after 14 days. The health department pretends they are “recovered” and simply drops them from the roster of active cases without regard to their actual clinical status. You can have active disease and continue to spread, but if you’re not dead or in the hospital you are “recovered”.

Could you please cite a reference that states this is their methodology?

How hard is to NOT spread health misinformation? It’s dangerous. No, this is not true.

There is lots of evidence that being outdoors is much safer because the viral load can’t accumulate as much as indoors. Still, if someone’s cigarette smoke can reach you then their droplets can too. The best medical advice I’ve seen is to maintain a minimum of 6 feet from people whenever possible. It doesn’t matter whether the sun is out or not.

UV light kills virus and bacteria. The sun produces UV light. This has been known for years that UV light is used as a sanitizer. My barber used a santizer station since the 1970s to put his razor in to sanitize. They are still sold today.

https://www.barberdepots.com/product/economy-sterilizer/

UV light kills virus and bacteria. The sun produces UV light. This has been known for years that UV light is used as a sanitizer. My barber used a santizer station since the 1970s to put his razor in to sanitize. They are still sold today.

https://www.barberdepots.com/product/economy-sterilizer/

UV light also causes skin cancer over time, but it doesn't happen instantly the moment you step out your door and get hit with sunlight.

True but direct sunlight almost kills it instantly on surfaces. So unless your kissing or coughing on someone and keep at least a few feet from someone outside in direct sunlight your probably going to be ok. That being said some of these people were probably too close to one another but it's not the end of the world that these people were outside having a good time.

Demonstrations have shown that viral particles from a cough travel 6 feet very rapidly, and can easily travel up to 12 feet within less than a minute. Loud talking, singing and yelling transmit them farther than talking normally. Sunlight, over time, will kill the virus, but not instantaneously. So, being less than 12 feet from someone infected who coughs, yells or sings is almost as dangerous as being inside. Wearing a mask dramatically decreases the volume and distance viral particles spread, indoors or out.

Since testing is behind, we don’t have universal testing, the virus has an incubation period of up to at least 14 days and symptoms can develop slowly over a period of days to weeks, it’s way too early to make any predictions about reopening effects on viral transmission. Hospitalizations and deaths over the next 4 to 6 weeks will be far more informative. I did see this article yesterday: https://kfor.com/health/coronavirus/oklahomas-hospitals-sees-25-increase-in-covid-19-patients-overnight-health-officials-concerned/amp/

UV light kills virus and bacteria. The sun produces UV light. This has been known for years that UV light is used as a sanitizer. My barber used a santizer station since the 1970s to put his razor in to sanitize. They are still sold today.

https://www.barberdepots.com/product/economy-sterilizer/

Well, your comment needs some perspective.

Can You Kill Coronavirus with UV Light? [ BBC | 4/24/2020 ] (https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200327-can-you-kill-coronavirus-with-uv-light)

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2020/05/27/science.abc6197

Masks remain the best way to be safe and keep others safe.

Could you please cite a reference that states this is their methodology?

Recovered: currently not hospitalized or deceased and 14 days after onset/report

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Well, your comment needs some perspective.

Can You Kill Coronavirus with UV Light? [ BBC | 4/24/2020 ] (https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200327-can-you-kill-coronavirus-with-uv-light)

Yes. I well aware the sun can give a person a sun burn and eventually cause cancer for some people over long term exposure. This has been happening since the sun and man existed.

I did see this article yesterday: https://kfor.com/health/coronavirus/oklahomas-hospitals-sees-25-increase-in-covid-19-patients-overnight-health-officials-concerned/amp/

that article is a week old. hospitalized patients who were either confirmed positive or were under investigation rose 25% between may 18 and 19. the four executive reports after that each indicated a negative growth rate between -4% and -10%. there was, however, a 16% increase between may 26 and 27 but this is due to an increase of 28 patients under investigation where confirmed positives decreased by 3 patients. comparing may 18 and the last report on may 27, there was an increase of 8%. i'm not trying to suggest that oklahoma is beyond any risk, but i think that the data since a week ago suggests the 25% increase on the 18th/19th is more of an anomaly rather than the beginning of a new trend.


Since testing is behind, we don’t have universal testing, the virus has an incubation period of up to at least 14 days and symptoms can develop slowly over a period of days to weeks, it’s way too early to make any predictions about reopening effects on viral transmission. Hospitalizations and deaths over the next 4 to 6 weeks will be far more informative.

correct me if i'm wrong, but i don't see how these claims fit with what major health organizations publish about the virus. according to what i've read (cdc, who), symptoms display (i.e. the 'incubation period') in as little as 2 days or as long as 14 days with a median of 5-6 days. oklahoma 'reopened' on may 1, 27 days ago meaning that we should have a decent picture of those infected from may 13 and before... that's nearly two weeks of data into the reopening. that probably isn't long enough to have a complete picture but ought to give decision makers enough data to identify any new trends. i could see the argument that we might want more data before opening up further, but i don't see a justification for saying that it's 'way' too early.

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/corona052820a.jpg

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/corona052820a.jpg

Glad to see cases not spiking. Hospitalization not sure but probably just cause nothing was reported for 2 days so the 21 was a 3 day total? Last Friday spike was cause of cases in OKC. The major tweeted about it

That one-day new case total from a highly isolated facility caused the OKC metro to report over 70 cases on Friday, our second-highest one-day total of the entire pandemic. Otherwise, we have been averaging between 10 and 30 new cases the entire month of May

Remember that hospitalizations lag a bit - there might be a few days between when someone tests positive and when they need to be hospitalized, so the uptick in hospitalizations could be a continued impact from our high-ish caseload last week.

Daily increases for Friday:

Positive cases: 68
Hospitalizations: 7
Deaths: 3

Daily increases for Friday:

Positive cases: 68
Hospitalizations: 7
Deaths: 3

Great numbers if we are counting all labs and quick testing.

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/corona053020a.jpg

Really with all the protest and riots it's like everyone has forgotten all about the virus . Heck even look at the number of post on this board. Even those are way down. I hope people don't start letting their guard down. I'll be the first one to admit I have a bit. I'm not washing my hands at much at work. I have even gone into Dollar General and Walgreen last week. First time I have gone into business in over a month.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/29/us/ozarks-missouri-party-coronavirus/index.html?fbclid=IwAR3SibdOVXvy09hQGs7A4I1pmaVdr4 gkIrBmV1A7JAuoLB7aNBSC7S7JKfU

Really with all the protest and riots it's like everyone has forgotten all about the virus . Heck even look at the number of post on this board. Even those are way down. I hope people don't start letting their guard down. I'll be the first one to admit I have a bit. I'm not washing my hands at much at work. I have even gone into Dollar General and Walgreen last week. First time I have gone into business in over a month.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/29/us/ozarks-missouri-party-coronavirus/index.html?fbclid=IwAR3SibdOVXvy09hQGs7A4I1pmaVdr4 gkIrBmV1A7JAuoLB7aNBSC7S7JKfU

People are seeing that it's not all that bad except that 80.5% of the COVID-19 deaths have happened to people over age 65. They still better be careful about getting out, if at all. That's in sharp contrast to people age 0 to 17. They compose 5.2% of positive cases with ZERO deaths. Age 18 to 35 only have 1.2% of the deaths. So I don't see why schools can't start in August, probably with some precautions, such as teachers getting tested. Probably universities can reopen, too. But I think the problem remains how and when can you safely resume concerts and sporting events? Surely closing them down largely explains why things didn't get a lot worse.

People are seeing that it's not all that bad except that 80.5% of the COVID-19 deaths have happened to people over age 65. They still better be careful about getting out, if at all. That's in sharp contrast to people age 0 to 17. They compose 5.2% of positive cases with ZERO deaths. Age 18 to 35 only have 1.2% of the deaths. So I don't see why schools can't start in August, probably with some precautions, such as teachers getting tested. Probably universities can reopen, too. But I think the problem remains how and when can you safely resume concerts and sporting events? Surely closing them down largely explains why things didn't get a lot worse.

If you're both willing to accept 100,000 deaths as "not all that bad" and reduce the pandemic down to death statistics only, this post might make sense. However, once you consider that young people caring less will kill more older people, that morbidity (people can have long-term health effects) without mortality, and that opening things up too much or in unsafe ways could result in closing things down again, it doesn't make much sense to me. The question is not whether schools should open or not, but if they do, how will they do it safely? Indoor concerts and sporting events likely should not resume at capacity until this is over... but outdoor concerts and sporting events that follow safety precautions can potentially find safe solutions. There's a lot of evidence that outdoors is way safer than indoors in general. In short, it's really about good planning.

This is a good article on how we proceed and they even offer a SAFE acronym that is helpful (https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/05/how-will-we-ever-be-safe-inside/611953/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=masthead-newsletter&utm_content=20200530&silverid=NjQwODAyNTU0ODU4S0):



- Social distancing: This one you probably knew before you read this article. Keep a healthy distance between yourself and others—six feet is a good general rule—especially when you are near them for an extended period of time.

- Airflow awareness: Every noncontact activity—talking, eating, working out—becomes significantly safer when you take it outside. As the previously mentioned Japanese study and Hong Kong survey indicated, the odds of transmission in a closed, indoor space are several orders of magnitude higher than in open-air environments.

- Face masks: Wear them. They’re not just for you; they’re for everybody around you.

- Expectoration (sorry for using a fancy word for spit to make the acronym work): COVID-19 appears to spread both through large-droplet transmission, such as from sneezes, and through the airborne transmission of smaller, aerosolized droplets, such as those that spray out of the mouths of talkers. Beware especially of indoor environments and activities that naturally include lots of gabbing (such as a long office meeting), singing (such as a choir practice), shouting (such as a high-school gym), or heavy breathing (such as an intense indoor workout class).

If you're both willing to accept 100,000 deaths as "not all that bad" and reduce the pandemic down to death statistics only, this post might make sense.

The 2009 Swine Flu pandemic claimed 289,000 lives. But there wasn't 1/100 or even 1/1000 the attention and action drawn to it that this has.

The CDC now states that, under their "most likely scenario," the CFR (case fatality rate) is 0.004%. This is 1/850 what the WHO was predicting at the outset based on their original models and information. Would they have made the same advice had they known what the real rates were ahead of time?

I'm not saying we shouldn't be careful, shouldn't exercise precautions, but when this started there were grim predictions of *millions* of US deaths alone. Of *course* 100,000 deaths are awful, but it isn't the millions that were predicted by models that were demonstrably flawed virtually the moment they were released.

Its not just about planning, its about planning based on credible information. Yes, use science, but the science needs to establish its own consistency. Some sanity has to be brought to bear on this, and some sort of confidence restored to what is presented by health experts, or a "next time" for a pandemic - whether a year, five years, twenty years, or ??? years down the road, the credibility assigned to what they suggest will be severely damaged. And I think that's been a huge factor in the reticence some have shown about wearing masks, social distancing, etc, because the *reality* of the virus, while *obviously* potentially deadly and very serious, has *not* matched the magnitude of the grim predictions that marked its arrival.

Hope that makes some kind of sense.

The 2009 Swine Flu pandemic claimed 289,000 lives. But there wasn't 1/100 or even 1/1000 the attention and action drawn to it that this has.

There were just over 12,000 deaths in the U.S.; we are nearly 10x that in just a few months even after a comprehensive lockdown and we are still losing over 1,000 a day. The two are not remotely comparable.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/2009-h1n1-pandemic.html

The 2009 Swine Flu pandemic claimed 289,000 lives. But there wasn't 1/100 or even 1/1000 the attention and action drawn to it that this has.

US Comparison:

COVID-19: 100,000 and growing in 3 months.
Swine Flu: 12,469 in 19 months.

Worldwide Comparison:

COVID-19: 369,000 + deaths on 6 months.
Swine Flu: 289,000 deaths in 19 months.

The 2009 Swine Flu pandemic claimed 289,000 lives. But there wasn't 1/100 or even 1/1000 the attention and action drawn to it that this has.

The CDC now states that, under their "most likely scenario," the CFR (case fatality rate) is 0.004%. This is 1/850 what the WHO was predicting at the outset based on their original models and information. Would they have made the same advice had they known what the real rates were ahead of time?

I'm not saying we shouldn't be careful, shouldn't exercise precautions, but when this started there were grim predictions of *millions* of US deaths alone. Of *course* 100,000 deaths are awful, but it isn't the millions that were predicted by models that were demonstrably flawed virtually the moment they were released.

Its not just about planning, its about planning based on credible information. Yes, use science, but the science needs to establish its own consistency. Some sanity has to be brought to bear on this, and some sort of confidence restored to what is presented by health experts, or a "next time" for a pandemic - whether a year, five years, twenty years, or ??? years down the road, the credibility assigned to what they suggest will be severely damaged. And I think that's been a huge factor in the reticence some have shown about wearing masks, social distancing, etc, because the *reality* of the virus, while *obviously* potentially deadly and very serious, has *not* matched the magnitude of the grim predictions that marked its arrival.

Hope that makes some kind of sense.

Makes no sense, in 2009 they has a Swine Flu Vaccine,which ameliorated much of the damage, there is no vaccine for Covid-19.

The 2009 Swine Flu pandemic claimed 289,000 lives. But there wasn't 1/100 or even 1/1000 the attention and action drawn to it that this has.

i'm with pete on this… you have to compare the 289k total swine flu pandemic deaths with the current global count of covid-19 at 370k... and it hasn't run its course yet.

I'm not saying we shouldn't be careful, shouldn't exercise precautions, but...

I'll just point out that you actually agreed with my post. All I stated is that we need to be careful and smart about how we proceed in re-opening schools, businesses, etc. There is no such thing as returning to normal until there's a vaccine that is widely distributed. With thoughtfulness and planning, we can find a forward without unnecessarily risking lives.

The rest of your post about the swine flu (and modeling) aren't really pertinent to my post and others have addressed that comparison.

i'm with pete on this… you have to compare the 289k total swine flu pandemic deaths with the current global count of covid-19 at 370k... and it hasn't run its course yet.

That's a fair criticism. Improper comparison on my part.

That's a fair criticism. Improper comparison on my part.

Thanks, Dave. There are some on this board that couldn't admit that. I appreciate it.

Thanks, Dave. There are some on this board that couldn't admit that. I appreciate it.

+1000

If the purpose of discussions is to learn then it’s healthy to grow/change/admit we were wrong on something. It doesn’t happen a lot on the Internet.

Watching News 9 last night during the protest at the police station. They one reporter was letting other people talk into his microphone. I saw him shake hands with someone. Had no mask on the whole time. UGH. Glad Nation wide we really haven't seen a huge spike anywhere after opening thing back up. The next test is going to be what happens in these big cites in 2-3 weeks with all the protesters being so close. Yeah some had on mask but still if numbers don't spike that would be a good thing.

Watching News 9 last night during the protest at the police station. They one reporter was letting other people talk into his microphone. I saw him shake hands with someone. Had no mask on the whole time. UGH. Glad Nation wide we really haven't seen a huge spike anywhere after opening thing back up. The next test is going to be what happens in these big cites in 2-3 weeks with all the protesters being so close. Yeah some had on mask but still if numbers don't spike that would be a good thing.

The amount of protesters you are worried about is not very large.

I'm not saying we shouldn't be careful, shouldn't exercise precautions, but when this started there were grim predictions of *millions* of US deaths alone. Of *course* 100,000 deaths are awful, but it isn't the millions that were predicted by models that were demonstrably flawed virtually the moment they were released.


But the worst model of 2 million deaths was based upon doing nothing at all. I think it's why governments decided they had to do something.

If you're both willing to accept 100,000 deaths as "not all that bad" and reduce the pandemic down to death statistics only, this post might make sense. However, once you consider that young people caring less will kill more older people, that morbidity (people can have long-term health effects) without mortality, and that opening things up too much or in unsafe ways could result in closing things down again, it doesn't make much sense to me. The question is not whether schools should open or not, but if they do, how will they do it safely? Indoor concerts and sporting events likely should not resume at capacity until this is over... but outdoor concerts and sporting events that follow safety precautions can potentially find safe solutions. There's a lot of evidence that outdoors is way safer than indoors in general. In short, it's really about good planning.

This is a good article on how we proceed and they even offer a SAFE acronym that is helpful (https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/05/how-will-we-ever-be-safe-inside/611953/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=masthead-newsletter&utm_content=20200530&silverid=NjQwODAyNTU0ODU4S0):

103,000 deaths, so far, isn't all that bad? Seemingly not. Medical errors contribute to more than 250,000 deaths in the United States each year, according to a 2016 Johns Hopkins study. Other studies put the figure as high as 440,000. Yet, the media doesn't present a daily updated record of the deaths. Maybe it should to remind people every day something needs to be done about that problem.

The amount of protesters you are worried about is not very large.

not so much here in OKC but in the other large cities around the country yes the mayor of Atlanta just told everybody to go get tested

103,000 deaths, so far, isn't all that bad? Seemingly not. Medical errors contribute to more than 250,000 deaths in the United States each year, according to a 2016 Johns Hopkins study. Other studies put the figure as high as 440,000. Yet, the media doesn't present a daily updated record of the deaths. Maybe it should to remind people every day something needs to be done about that problem.

Medical error literature does exist, and a huge report was published in 1999 called "To Err is Human", an update was published 10 years later. It's put out by the Institute of Medicine. Those reports absolutely changed many of the responses to medical errors, but they do still occur.

People still should take precautions and social distance, but it's also increasingly evident that COVID-19 primarily spreads indoors and outdoor spaces are much safer. So, it's less likely that outdoor marches served as super-spreading events. Also, there were a lot of people with masks.

People still should take precautions and social distance, but it's also increasingly evident that COVID-19 primarily spreads indoors and outdoor spaces are much safer. So, it's less likely that outdoor marches served as super-spreading events. Also, there were a lot of people with masks.

We will soon find out cuz I'm seeing thousands of people down there today in Oklahoma City and they are bunched together in a parking lot

We will soon find out cuz I'm seeing thousands of people down there today in Oklahoma City and they are bunched together in a parking lot

Yeah, you can only beat a drum so long before it just tears.

Yeah, you can only beat a drum so long before it just tears.

Just wait two more weeks

We will soon find out cuz I'm seeing thousands of people down there today in Oklahoma City and they are bunched together in a parking lot

Fear-mongering does not help anyone. Just saying. Your beloved spike in cases you have shouted from the rooftops about for a month, has not happened. We are to the point where, just maybe, it is somewhat seasonal. And Oklahoma summers, being so hot, are pretty good virus killers. We could be wrong, but I think the time for fear is over. Just be cautious and careful, and don't be wanton and stupid.

Fear-mongering does not help anyone. Just saying. Your beloved spike in cases you have shouted from the rooftops about for a month, has not happened. We are to the point where, just maybe, it is somewhat seasonal. And Oklahoma summers, being so hot, are pretty good virus killers. We could be wrong, but I think the time for fear is over. Just be cautious and careful, and don't be wanton and stupid.

Does Covid spread during massive street riots and peaceful protest or just in bars, restaurants and hair salons? At this point with thousands all bunched together in every major city we might as well just go back to normal. Concerts, kids back to school if it don't spread so easily and it's over with why are we still social distancing?

Fear-mongering does not help anyone. Just saying. Your beloved spike in cases you have shouted from the rooftops about for a month, has not happened. We are to the point where, just maybe, it is somewhat seasonal. And Oklahoma summers, being so hot, are pretty good virus killers. We could be wrong, but I think the time for fear is over. Just be cautious and careful, and don't be wanton and stupid.

I certainly hope we continue trending in the right direction but I don't think there's any evidence to support the idea that hot weather will kill this virus. In fact, the virus is starting to get bad in countries that have pretty warm climates. Brazil just passed 500,000 cases for example. I do think Oklahoma being less densely populated has helped.

I hope the executive order is renewed so we don’t lose public data... https://oklahomawatch.org/2020/06/01/oklahoma-pulls-back-on-coronavirus-data-transparency/

OHD already released an email stating that city and zip-based reporting would be discontinued with expiration of that order. County-only from here on.

OHD already released an email stating that city and zip-based reporting would be discontinued with expiration of that order. County-only from here on.

Covid 19 is over with. The Media has moved on.

Does Covid spread during massive street riots and peaceful protest or just in bars, restaurants and hair salons? At this point with thousands all bunched together in every major city we might as well just go back to normal. Concerts, kids back to school if it don't spread so easily and it's over with why are we still social distancing?

Another false equivalency, binary post. It is very likely that COVID-19 will spread from the protests, but the odds of spread are likely greatly reduce by protests being outdoors. Some studies suggest indoor areas are near 20 times more likely spaces for spread. There should be no going "back to normal," but more activities can resume with caution and procedures. However, indoor concerts and schools can be superspreader events. Near 100 kids just contracted COVID-19 at a school in Israel.


Covid 19 is over with. The Media has moved on.

Do you speak about EVERYTHING in binary? You're either eating or starving, silent or screaming, open everything now or close everything forever. Post after post after post that's how you talk about COVID-19 and other issues. This may be a discussion board, but it just feels like you're not interested in the "discussion" part very much.

Binary, good word for it. Plus negativity and now adding drama and sarcasm. Pretty much why I don’t post on here lately and most likely has a lot to do with the thread dying off.

I admit I was wrong the virus was just made up after all. I'm sure that makes many of you very happy.

I have said from day one we need to protect the older population. I even said I thought it was Bull**** that the media was making a big deal about all these memorial day swim parties where people were outside. I said it's hard to spread in sunlight and being outdoors. I didn't see anything wrong with young people being out as long as they don't take it home to the older population. I got ripped for saying that. Now I'm being told " but the odds of spread are likely greatly reduce by protests being outdoors". Didn't I kind of already say that? So what is it? Can we have mass gatherings outdoors and be safe?

All I'm saying now is it's like the virus has just disappeared. Even again tonight on both local and National news there was very very little about the virus. You would think, in the local and national media, that all these large VERY large gatherings should be worrisome just like the people over Memorial pool parties but too me it doesn't seem that way at all.