Outlet mall parking lot was pretty full today at 2:30. When the numbers keep going up what will the excuse be. The more testing excuse is running thin on me. Still can only process a certain amount per day.

Here are some pics from last night at Twin Peaks on Memorial. The event was called "Mega Meet" and doesn't seem to comply with the spirit or the rules of the Phase One reopening.

16105Being a somewhat regular there I’m unfortunately not at all surprised.

As long as the ACTIVE cases stay flat, or decreasing, we are still in good shape. There are only 1,009 ACTIVE cases in the whole state.

Reference: https://coronavirus.health.ok.gov/

Maybe I’m being overly optimistic but I feel like most of the concern being expressed is over the government overstepping by unilaterally attempting to do more than just recommend that people wear masks in public without it going through the proper channels (though to my knowledge no state, local, or federal officials are attempting to force anyone to wear masks). I would like to think everyone here is rational enough to understand that any private business has the right to require customers to wear masks and refuse service to those who don’t if that’s what they choose to do....just like those who don’t want to wear masks have a right to not patronize those businesses if that bothers them. Maybe that’s getting lost in the translation here or I’m misunderstanding.

There isn't any misunderstanding that I know of. It's probably what gets brought to me via social media of videos of people being upset when they're being denied service and the customer starts raging. The most recent example being the costco incident.

There isn't any misunderstanding that I know of. It's probably what gets brought to me via social media of videos of people being upset when they're being denied service and the customer starts raging. The most recent example being the costco incident.

Yeah I see it too...I just generally hold people on OKCTalk to a higher standard lol

At least seven states have mask laws in place, not sure about cities, but I'll bet some do too.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/20/us/states-that-require-masks-trnd/index.html

Ha! Guess I shouldn’t have stopped watching the news!

As long as the ACTIVE cases stay flat, or decreasing, we are still in good shape. There are only 1,009 ACTIVE cases in the whole state.

Reference: https://coronavirus.health.ok.gov/

Anybody have historical data on how this has changed over time? Or know where to find it? I see the current active cases, but not historical active cases as of certain dates.

Anybody have historical data on how this has changed over time? Or know where to find it? I see the current active cases, but not historical active cases as of certain dates.
On the link you posted scroll down to
“Additional data is available for review in the Executive Order Report and the Weekly Epidemiology and Surveillance Report.”
Click on Executive Order Report.
On that page scroll down to the daily postings of the EOR. Each has what you’re looking for and lots more data.

True, The numbers are high.

However, Recoveries are higher. Which is a good sign. Hospitalizations also are down below 200.

Deaths are also down.

If you are not in a hospital 14 days after a positive test, the health department considers you recovered regardless of your actual medical status.

If you are not in a hospital 14 days after a positive test, the health department considers you recovered regardless of your actual medical status.

To be fair, by then you are either on the upswing or dead. Not much else is left after 14 days in a hospital, yet not actually in the hospital after the 14th day.

The numbers reported for today include the results for the tests we did May 12th (I know because I was contacted by the health department about the numbers and the reporting today). That is a 10 day delay between the day of testing, and the day of reporting.

To be fair, by then you are either on the upswing or dead. Not much else is left after 14 days in a hospital, yet not actually in the hospital after the 14th day.

You are not very familiar with the clinical course of this disease.

You are not very familiar with the clinical course of this disease.

To be fair to myself, there are only 2 outcomes to the virus.

That would be very wrong...

From an Oklahoman article yesterday:
Gov. Kevin Stitt on Wednesday said he’s going to let Oklahomans decide whether they should wear a face mask in public during the COVID-19 pandemic. “To me, that’s a personal preference,” he said.
“If you feel safer in a mask, then we definitely encourage you to do that. If you can remain social(ly) distance(d), we don’t think you necessarily need to have a mask, but that’s a personal preference.”
https://oklahoman.com/article/5662816/stitt-wearing-a-face-mask-a-personal-preference

The Governor doesn't get it. Masks are primarily about protecting other people, not yourself. How hard is this?

The Governor doesn't get it. Masks are primarily about protecting other people, not yourself. How hard is this?

Yeah, "personal preference" shouldn't really ever enter into mask-wearing during a pandemic....

Edit to add: now that the science shows it's beneficial for everybody (because at the beginning, I wasn't sure about general population mask-wearing effectiveness, but now that there's more data, I believe in doing it now).

How many people die in Oklahoma on average in a day pre-pandemic? Just curious.

I thought this was an interesting article: Putting the Risk of Covid-19 in Perspective (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/22/well/live/putting-the-risk-of-covid-19-in-perspective.html?campaign_id=154&emc=edit_cb_20200522&instance_id=18728&nl=coronavirus-briefing&regi_id=79175314&segment_id=28910&te=1&user_id=0f17e6fc2337bd9bf6ffdb7aa3ef4850)


A useful way to understand risks is by comparing them with what is called a “micromort,” which measures a one-in-a-million chance of dying. Note that we are considering only fatality risks here, not the risk of growing sick from coronavirus, or morbidity. The micromort allows one to easily compare the risk of dying from skydiving, for example (7 micromorts per jump), or going under general anesthesia in the United States (5 micromorts), to that of giving birth in the United States (210 micromorts).

The Governor doesn't get it. Masks are primarily about protecting other people, not yourself. How hard is this?

Apparently not as hard as keeping political posts in the political forum.

The numbers reported for today include the results for the tests we did May 12th (I know because I was contacted by the health department about the numbers and the reporting today). That is a 10 day delay between the day of testing, and the day of reporting.

Great so may 2, 3, 4th people go sick. Then 5-7 days to show symptoms then few days to get tested then 10 days to get results. So day 21 and 22 we should see numbers go up Oh Wait. they have. NOT GOOD. I'm afraid there is going to be a 200 day in our future. I hope not but wouldn't be shocked

If you don't want to get out then Don't. I have to work and make money. I wear the mask when I'm in grocery stores and Walmart, but I need to keep the lights on.

Now that the EOR has posted there is something to compare to. Yes the 169 was a new record. But there were over 7000 test results completed. Also a new record. By almost a thousand. If you went back to April 22 and applied the ratio of test results to positive results that occurred on that day then we would have had 359 new cases today. You have to look at the ratio not the raw number.

If you don't want to get out then Don't. I have to work and make money. I wear the mask when I'm in grocery stores and Walmart, but I need to keep the lights on.I’m not. As much as I’m DYING to go out and sit at one of my favorite hangouts to eat and have a beer with my friends we’re parked at home except for work, groceries which I’ve been doing and curb-side pickup of dinner a couple times a week. I wear a mask anytime I go in anywhere and I luckily have a stash of N95 masks that work bought during the Ebola thing. I’ve modified ten so they go over the ear instead of around the head. I rotate them so I use each one every ten days or so.

Now that the EOR has posted there is something to compare to. Yes the 169 was a new record. But there were over 7000 test results completed. Also a new record. By almost a thousand. If you went back to April 22 and applied the ratio of test results to positive results that occurred on that day then we would have had 359 new cases today. You have to look at the ratio not the raw number.

And again, back then most tests were conducted on people most likely to be positive, the increased testing includes surveillance tests, contact tests, and people who just ask to be tested. You cannot simply compare testing numbers when the population being tested has changed significantly.

To be fair, by then you are either on the upswing or dead. Not much else is left after 14 days in a hospital, yet not actually in the hospital after the 14th day.

This is not fair. My friend had this for like five weeks, and she still has lingering symptoms. She was very healthy with no underlying health conditions, and she has just accepted the fact this illness may have a permanent impact on her health. She still has vision problems in her left eye (brought on by COVID-19), and she still loses her breath after climbing one flight of stairs. She is "recovered," but she is also not dead.

Whatever you think about this illness, it is absolutely worse.

Yeah there have been people who were in the hospital for 40 days and finally recovered or succombed after 30 or 40 days.

@soonerguru 5 weeks of hell in all honesty. There are no words that can explain just how serious this is and how it just breaks your body down. Hope your friend feels better.

https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/who-china-joint-mission-on-covid-19-final-report.pdf


Using available preliminary data, the median time from onset to clinical recovery for mild
cases is approximately 2 weeks and is 3-6 weeks for patients with severe or critical disease.
Preliminary data suggests that the time period from onset to the development of severe
disease, including hypoxia, is 1 week. Among patients who have died, the time from
symptom onset to outcome ranges from 2-8 weeks.

So much for two weeks in the hospital according to this is 3 to 6 weeks so if it's more severe and your in the hospital right now then maybe you will get out in near the end of June or even in to july. The people who sadly wont make it will go home to the lord mid June to mid July. Things like this will make people realize how we are willingly playing with fire. Well more like pouring gasoline on the fire when the firefighters are halfway through fighting it.

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/corona052320a.jpg

The weekly epidemiology report is now up for the previous weeks.
Provides a bit of guidance of the massive jumps in positive cases.
http://https://coronavirus.health.ok.gov/sites/g/files/gmc786/f/2020.05.22_weekly_epi_report.pdf

The Governor doesn't get it. Masks are primarily about protecting other people, not yourself. How hard is this?

Still, I will continue to wear a mask in places like Wal-Mart, because I think it's better protection for myself than nothing. Since I have no idea, if I'm positive, likely not, I don't know if I'm protecting others. To you, though, the situation is like a gun laying on a table. Always assume it's loaded. I can't argue with that.

From the weekly epidemiology report, it sounds like a good chunk of this week’s uptick in cases is due to a rapid expansion of testing in Guymon and an outbreak at a jail in Lawton. Overall positivity rate for the week was 2%, a significant decrease overall.

From the weekly epidemiology report, it sounds like a good chunk of this week’s uptick in cases is due to a rapid expansion of testing in Guymon and an outbreak at a jail in Lawton. Overall positivity rate for the week was 2%, a significant decrease overall.

is there a place we can visit that tells us the number of new cases in each county? I of course have seen the map of total cases. I just thought it would be of interest to me to follow the trajectory in Oklahoma, Canadian, Cleveland and Logan counties.

From the weekly epidemiology report, it sounds like a good chunk of this week’s uptick in cases is due to a rapid expansion of testing in Guymon and an outbreak at a jail in Lawton. Overall positivity rate for the week was 2%, a significant decrease overall.

OKC jail has no cases. Zero.
Dr. Cooper with the jail health group attributes it to " the Lord" but I'm wondering what other factors are at play, since the Lord should also exist in Lawton.

Still, I will continue to wear a mask in places like Wal-Mart, because I think it's better protection for myself than nothing. Since I have no idea, if I'm positive, likely not, I don't know if I'm protecting others. To you, though, the situation is like a gun laying on a table. Always assume it's loaded. I can't argue with that.

The mask doesn't help you 1 bit. It can help protect those around you. If you are the only person in a place wearing a mask, you are not helping yourself with the masks most are wearing now. They don't filter stuff coming in, but can filter stuff going out.

The mask doesn't help you 1 bit. It can help protect those around you. If you are the only person in a place wearing a mask, you are not helping yourself with the masks most are wearing now. They don't filter stuff coming in, but can filter stuff going out.To make a definitive statement that they do nothing is just not accurate. They definitely aren't N95 but many DIY materials do something. According to the tests on this site many materials do at least something. And two layers of dishcloth actually do pretty well.
https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/best-materials-make-diy-masks-virus/

The mask doesn't help you 1 bit. It can help protect those around you. If you are the only person in a place wearing a mask, you are not helping yourself with the masks most are wearing now. They don't filter stuff coming in, but can filter stuff going out.

I disagree. You'll find conflicting advice on whether wearing a mask to avoid the virus does any good. I prefer to opt on the side that they're better than nothing. But common sense tells me if a mask, like a double layered cloth one, can't stop virus from filtering through, then how the heck is it going to stop virus from going out? Anyway, if I'm going to gamble with my health when going to the store, I'm going to wear a mask along with social distancing.

Wearing goggles or other eye protection would be further better. A doctor wearing a mask on a crowded plane thought he would not have caught the virus had he used eye protection. Small crowded places are best avoided without full protection.

Tests need to be easier to get and more frequently done per person.

Special Report: In Oklahoma pork-packing town, COVID stirs fear, faith and sorrow - Reuters
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-meat-plant-special/special-report-in-oklahoma-pork-packing-town-covid-stirs-fear-faith-and-sorrow-idUSKBN22Z0SK

is there a place we can visit that tells us the number of new cases in each county? I of course have seen the map of total cases. I just thought it would be of interest to me to follow the trajectory in Oklahoma, Canadian, Cleveland and Logan counties.

https://looker-dashboards.ok.gov/embed/dashboards/46

Or

https://storage.googleapis.com/ok-covid-gcs-public-download/oklahoma_cases_county.csv

Sunday update

77 new positives
0 new deaths

Sunday update

77 new positives
0 new deaths

This thing is really decelerating. Apparently it doesn’t enjoy our warm summers.

The other day we hit a new high number so how is this decelerating? Week end numbers have been lower all along.

The other day we hit a new high number so how is this decelerating? Week end numbers have been lower all along.

Data says it is: https://rt.live/

Data says it is: https://rt.live/

That's encouraging. Let's hope so! What is the potential error rate in all the mush in data, and does it still hold us below 1 when taken into account? It's still a model. But possibly at least the indicator is we aren't off the races again yet. At the same time, nothing has changed in the last 6 weeks for us on what is shown on that site.

From the site:

Known Issues

There is an incubation period in which people are likely infectious but not symptomatic. This model assumes infectiousness begins with symptoms. While future versions may correct for this, a simple heuristic is to shift all values of Rt 5 days into the past.
While we make a best effort to accurately describe Rt, nothing can do that perfectly. Please calibrate with other sources, like epiforecasts.io, as well.

Our count still doesn’t include non-lab confirmed positives, as far as I know. Which includes the majority of people with a positive rapid test.

Data says it is: https://rt.live/

Can you explain how you interpreted the graph you linked to (shown below) as "really decelerating"?

16107

Can you explain how you interpreted the graph you linked to (shown below) as "really decelerating"?

16107

I was going to say the same thing. .93 April 5th .92 today? I'm confused. Steady yes decelerating help me out here. Just don't click on where it shows new cases. Nothing to see there only a slight incline. SMH

The mask doesn't help you 1 bit. It can help protect those around you. If you are the only person in a place wearing a mask, you are not helping yourself with the masks most are wearing now. They don't filter stuff coming in, but can filter stuff going out.

Yes we know. This has been mentioned dozens of times in this thread. It is the right thing to do to protect others. Hopefully they will be just as considerate.

Stay in your house if you don't feel safe to go out.

Stay in your house if you don't feel safe to go out.

We heard you the first time. Some people don't have the choice to go out, as they have to work. To ensure their safety, please reconsider your position on wearing a mask, as doing so protects people other than yourself.

Stay in your house if you don't feel safe to go out.

Dumbest thing I have seen in a while.

Dumbest thing I have seen in a while.
Thanks Bro. Like all the so called experts on these Posts.

Some of us older people have to go out shopping for food and other needed items since we live in areas where there is no grocery delivery and have no one to shop for us. Please be considerate and mask for us (masks are for other to prevent the spread. Also so many people refuse to social distance. i thought I could get an item or two at Braums in order to forgo a trip to a larger store. 2 people in there, and they refused to social distance after I asked them to. They just said "I'm shopping and will not" but they stood in the line at the 6; marks. Is this too hard for people to consider. Can they not just step back a step and let an older person through or at least no box them into a corner between freezers? So many people out there are not thinking of others, espically older people, only them selves. I tried getting out shopping but I spend 80% of my time dodging other people. I had to give up since my knee is hurting and had to go home. Its still hurting me. Why can't some people be kind to other folks?

Dumbest thing I have seen in a while.

Did you miss his post earlier about how he fears Bill Gates putting microchips in the vaccines? Brian is on a tear lately.

Did you miss his post earlier about how he fears Bill Gates putting microchips in the vaccines? Brian is on a tear lately.
Just a matter of time my friends. Sad to say, but it's the only way people will feel safe in this world.https://lccn.loc.gov/gm69002717

Before everyone gets all excited and see the new numbers for today just keep in mind it's a holiday. They will go back up middle of the week this is far from being over just sayin

Before everyone gets all excited and see the new numbers for today just keep in mind it's a holiday. They will go back up middle of the week this is far from being over just sayin

Yep.

By all accounts we have gone the Sweden approach.

Yep.

By all accounts we have gone the Sweden approach.

Not even close. We shut down for a long period of time (albeit in a scattershot matter), while Sweden never closed down restaurants or anything. Their curve never flattened, while ours is down from April.

Nm

For Mon report

53 new positives
2 new deaths

Thanks Bro. Like all the so called experts on these Posts.

You totally disregarded the person on this thread, oklip, who has no choice but to go out for various essential reasons. Why would you be so callous to oklip, who is making a sincere request?

The “experts” are not posters here. It is just that people on this forum are heeding and sharing the advice of experts. This Twitter thread was interesting.

https://mobile.twitter.com/bschapiroMD/status/1263896233346838531

You totally disregarded the person on this thread, oklip, who has no choice but to go out for various essential reasons. Why would you be so callous to oklip, who is making a sincere request?

The “experts” are not posters here. It is just that people on this forum are heeding and sharing the advice of experts. This Twitter thread was interesting.

https://mobile.twitter.com/bschapiroMD/status/1263896233346838531

Yea, you are free to wear a mask if it makes you feel more comfortable. I’ve been wearing my Ventilated N95s around to various Shoppes.

But I’m not going to go out of my way to patronize a business that requires masks (i.e.., Costco). I canceled my Double Platinum Diamond Membership immediately upon learning of the Company’s mask policy. I’ll take my $75k in annual spend to Sam’s.

And I will likely wear a mask to Sam’s, but it will be MY choice.

But I’m not going to go out of my way to patronize a business that requires masks (i.e.., Costco).

Yeah, why would you want to shop somewhere that wants to protect their customers and employees?