Surveillance testing we have conducted has consistently shown that the vast majority of positive cases have zero symptoms.

Well, like I've expressed, and continue to be reminded, this is not a friendly place for people to share and discuss their opinion if it differs from the bully majority on this thread. Well, at least not unless they want to lower themselves to trying to belittle others to make their point seem more valid. I'll just have to take solace in the reality that when I do go out in public, the majority of people, including our own governmental leaders whom we elected, seem to share in my logic, my interpretation of the numbers and my level of concern for the realistic threat of the virus to myself and those around me. To me it's a difference of opinion that I can find scientific validation for just as easily as the other side can to validate their own opinion. But I don't have to call you, directly or indirectly, ignorant or make it seem as if you're callous to the welfare of others simply to express my view.

If this was directed at me it wasn't my intention to bully in the least.

In my opinion your approach of measuring the risks with your own natural (God given) intelligence and taking the measures that you think are best for yourself and the community is exactly how you should act in a western style democracy. Thank you for doing the right thing.

The following type of thing really irks me. I was on Facebook looking at pictures of my mud covered year old grandson. Next up was an ad for, supposedly, a NY Times article saying that the CDC has decided that COVID isn’t transmitted by touching contaminated surfaces, only by airborne virus. So I went to the CDC website and just as I thought. No such statement. And no, I don’t ever trust FB for news but I’m sure many do.

SOME government leaders that YOU chose to follow.

There are very many who wear masks and have different opinions but you don't agree with their politics so you disregard that.

And of course apolitical scientists who know more about this than anyone are almost unanimous on this issue.

It's fair to challenge those who disregard the advice and clear direction from scientists and merely follow the lead of politicians they agreed with long before this transpired, because that has nothing to do with logic.

Well, can't I turn that around and say almost exactly the same to you? You are choosing who to follow and you are choosing who to disregard. And yet, you qualify your statement by proclaiming mine as illogical. I'm sorry, I just don't get it. Hopefully you'll agree you are simply as bias to your own opinion as I am to mine. But I don't feel a need to bully you into seeing my perspective.

If this was directed at me it wasn't my intention to bully in the least.

In my opinion your approach of measuring the risks with your own natural (God given) intelligence and taking the measures that you think are best for yourself and the community is exactly how you should act in a western style democracy. Thank you for doing the right thing.

Thank you very much. Now, to me, that was a very sensible and mature way to address a comment you may or may not agree with. Someone could apply that same principle and come out with a completely opposite conclusion. Say, to wear a mask at all times. I would respect that decision as much as I'd expect them to respect my decision. Thank you again. It's not always a debate. Sometimes it's simply an acknowledgement that we are all entitled to our own opinion.

Well, can't I turn that around and say almost exactly the same to you? You are choosing who to follow and you are choosing who to disregard. And yet, you qualify your statement by proclaiming mine as illogical. I'm sorry, I just don't get it. Hopefully you'll agree you are simply as bias to your own opinion as I am to mine. But I don't feel a need to bully you into seeing my perspective.

No, because I follow science not politics when it comes to scientific matters. And there is almost no debate on these matters in respected scientific quarters.

That's a huge difference.

noun: freedom
the power or right to act, speak, or think as one wants without hindrance or restraint.

Given the definition above I can see how people may get the impression that freedom means you can do whatever you want. As Adults and Citizens we limit OURSELVES for the good of the community. The GOVERMENT does not limit us. Even if they could limit our freedom by force it would take to.much time and effort to enforce. The individual puts limits on themselves. This is the balance between FREEDOM and living in a Society.

So no laws apply to you because you are free? There are many things citizens would do if the government didn’t limit it. People associate what freedoms we do have with the definition you provided above meaning we have freedom to do whatever we want whenever we want. The constitution does not grant absolute freedom to citizens. There are defined freedoms. The whole point of defining freedoms is so that they can limit other things. The government has the absolute ability to force you to wear a mask if they want. The same way they force you to wear clothes in public.

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Along those lines, I read today that air travel is less than 10% what it was before virus.

And there are virtually no restrictions on domestic air travel, it's all been voluntary.

His argument is that the government has no ability to limit your freedom, only citizens can limit themselves, which is absolutely, unequivocally false. How many people would carry a gun on the plane if the government did not take that freedom away from them?

Every U.S. citizen is subject to literally thousands of laws, at the federal state and city level.

And they are constantly changing and being added and everyone has to abide or there are also specific consequences.

His argument is that the government has no ability to limit your freedom, only citizens can limit themselves, which is absolutely, unequivocally false. How many people would carry a gun on the plane if the government did not take that freedom away from them?

Wasn't directly addressing that point, just that a huge amount of people are limiting themselves voluntarily.

noun: freedom
the power or right to act, speak, or think as one wants without hindrance or restraint.

Given the definition above I can see how people may get the impression that freedom means you can do whatever you want. As Adults and Citizens we limit OURSELVES for the good of the community. The GOVERMENT does not limit us. Even if they could limit our freedom by force it would take to.much time and effort to enforce. The individual puts limits on themselves. This is the balance between FREEDOM and living in a Society.This pretty much. If Freedom truly, literally, meant you can do whatever you want whenever you want then there would be no lines drawn. Murder, assault, etc., etc., etc., would be ok because Freedom with no limits would allow you to do what you want when you want. I will never believe that’s what the creators of our Free country and Constitution had in mind. I believe in being Free as long as my expressions of Freedom don’t do others, or could do others harm. Thinking of others is becoming a lost character trait of our society and that is extremely sad.

So no laws apply to you because you are free? There are many things citizens would do if the government didn’t limit it. People associate what freedoms we do have with the definition you provided above meaning we have freedom to do whatever we want whenever we want. The constitution does not grant absolute freedom to citizens. There are defined freedoms. The whole point of defining freedoms is so that they can limit other things. The government has the absolute ability to force you to wear a mask if they want. The same way they force you to wear clothes in public.

Natural Rights vs Legal Rights

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_rights_and_legal_rights

Do you believe in natural Rights and if so how do you define them?

I believe in being Free as long as my expressions of Freedom don’t do others, or could do others harm. Thinking of others is becoming a lost character trait of our society and that is extremely sad.

Except you can't leave it up to individuals to decide for themselves on many matters which is precisely why we have thousands of laws and corresponding consequences for not following them.

Except you can't leave it up to individuals to decide for themselves on many matters which is precisely why we have thousands of laws and corresponding consequences for not following them.

When it comes down to it a government could pass a law limiting anything, but it is up to the individual to follow the law. If a law is passed that is unjust or violates your Natural Rights then a moral man should not follow the unjust law.

For example a government could pass a law decreeing that any man named Teo should be shot onsite. Would I be right to shoot any Teos next time I see him? Of course not, because shorting someone because of their name is a violation of their natural Rights.

I need to go to work now, but I am extremely interested to see where my colleagues draw the line between natural Rights and legal rights in the context of society and COVID-19.

Well, can't I turn that around and say almost exactly the same to you? You are choosing who to follow and you are choosing who to disregard. And yet, you qualify your statement by proclaiming mine as illogical. I'm sorry, I just don't get it. Hopefully you'll agree you are simply as bias to your own opinion as I am to mine. But I don't feel a need to bully you into seeing my perspective.

You are absolutely entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts. Regardless of what politicians are saying, scientists and medical professionals have made it clear that if you are not wearing a mask in public, you are endangering people around you, as it is possible you could be an asymptomatic or presymptomatic carrier of the virus. Understand that when people see you in public they may draw conclusions about you that you don't care about their general welfare.

You are absolutely entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts. Regardless of what politicians are saying, scientists and medical professionals have made it clear that if you are not wearing a mask in public, you are endangering people around you, as it is possible you could be an asymptomatic or presymptomatic carrier of the virus. Understand that when people see you in public they may draw conclusions about you that you don't care about their general welfare.

I totally agree with this and don't see how anyone could say it is a bully opinion unless their definition of a bully opinion is one they don't agree with. The facts are clear on wearing masks and the public benefit.

The following type of thing really irks me. I was on Facebook looking at pictures of my mud covered year old grandson. Next up was an ad for, supposedly, a NY Times article saying that the CDC has decided that COVID isn’t transmitted by touching contaminated surfaces, only by airborne virus. So I went to the CDC website and just as I thought. No such statement. And no, I don’t ever trust FB for news but I’m sure many do.

Well, the CDC *did* come out with new info regarding surface transmission, but it's not "it isn't transmitted that way", you're right, it's more along the lines of "doesn't transmit as easily from surfaces as we thought".

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/05/21/coronavirus-news-what-cdc-saying-covid-19-surfaces/5235317002/

Well, the CDC *did* come out with new info regarding surface transmission, but it's not "it isn't transmitted that way", you're right, it's more along the lines of "doesn't transmit as easily from surfaces as we thought".

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/05/21/coronavirus-news-what-cdc-saying-covid-19-surfaces/5235317002/

Ok. So it was only kinda fake FB news. I’ve always considered myself a solid guy in the common sense department but this virus crap has me tied up in knots.

Well, like I've expressed, and continue to be reminded, this is not a friendly place for people to share and discuss their opinion if it differs from the bully majority on this thread. Well, at least not unless they want to lower themselves to trying to belittle others to make their point seem more valid. I'll just have to take solace in the reality that when I do go out in public, the majority of people, including our own governmental leaders whom we elected, seem to share in my logic, my interpretation of the numbers and my level of concern for the realistic threat of the virus to myself and those around me. To me it's a difference of opinion that I can find scientific validation for just as easily as the other side can to validate their own opinion. But I don't have to call you, directly or indirectly, ignorant or make it seem as if you're callous to the welfare of others simply to express my view.

Agree, and I’m another minority poster here who has to watch words closer than others.

I’d like to comment on the mask wearing. Take the politics out of it and still a majority of people do not wear masks in public. And unless we ask each non wearer their party we have no idea which way they lean. For some reason its assumed only one side wears them and the other doesn’t and I think thats a false assumption. The bigger picture is a majority don’t and that is an important distinction.

Agree, and I’m another minority poster here who has to watch words closer than others.

I’d like to comment on the mask wearing. Take the politics out of it and still a majority of people do not wear masks in public. And unless we ask each non wearer their party we have no idea which way they lean. For some reason its assumed only one side wears them and the other doesn’t and I think thats a false assumption. The bigger picture is a majority don’t and that is an important distinction.And again, that majority, regardless of the reasoning, simply doesn’t care about others and that’s the saddest thing about what our society has become.

To offer another point of view this article is written by someone a whole lot smarter than me. I looked and could not find any political affiliation associated with either him or the article. He lists 13 reference studies. The main takeaway is this is one of many and each individual person needs to decide for themselves what to believe or not. No one is right or wrong.

The one thing I like about his article he goes into the “why” a mask can be actually harmful. In detail. He talks about there being no studies to prove Covid is stopped by masks. He says masks have never stopped other viruses.

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A clip:

As for the scientific support for the use of face mask, a recent careful examination of the literature, in which 17 of the best studies were analyzed, concluded that, “ None of the studies established a conclusive relationship between mask/respirator use and protection against influenza infection.”1 Keep in mind, no studies have been done to demonstrate that either a cloth mask or the N95 mask has any effect on transmission of the COVID-19 virus. Any recommendations, therefore, have to be based on studies of influenza virus transmission. And, as you have seen, there is no conclusive evidence of their efficiency in controlling flu virus transmission.

The recommendations by the CDC and the WHO are not based on any studies of this virus and have never been used to contain any other virus pandemic or epidemic in history.

The importance of these findings is that a drop in oxygen levels (hypoxia) is associated with an impairment in immunity. Studies have shown that hypoxia can inhibit the type of main immune cells used to fight viral infections called the CD4+ T-lymphocyte. This occurs because the hypoxia increases the level of a compound called hypoxia inducible factor-1 (HIF-1), which inhibits T-lymphocytes and stimulates a powerful immune inhibitor cell called the Tregs. . This sets the stage for contracting any infection, including COVID-19 and making the consequences of that infection much graver. In essence, your mask may very well put you at an increased risk of infections and if so, having a much worse outcome.5,6,7

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Again, this is one doctor out of thousands. You will find many differences of opinion. Its best to get and read as many as possible to form your own decision and not rely on just one. The other point is its not settled science and doctors are not even decided.

https://www.technocracy.news/blaylock-face-masks-pose-serious-risks-to-the-healthy/

His bio:

Dr. Russell Blaylock, author of The Blaylock Wellness Report newsletter, is a nationally recognized board-certified neurosurgeon, health practitioner, author, and lecturer. He attended the Louisiana State University School of Medicine and completed his internship and neurological residency at the Medical University of South Carolina. For 26 years, practiced neurosurgery in addition to having a nutritional practice. He recently retired from his neurosurgical duties to devote his full attention to nutritional research. Dr. Blaylock has authored four

There are literally people who have commented on this forum thread whose lives are endangered by people not wearing a mask. It is truly sad. Being a contrarian when the overwhelming body of science and medicine declares otherwise seems indifferent to the needs of others.

And again, that majority, regardless of the reasoning, simply doesn’t care about others and that’s the saddest thing about what our society has become.


But you make an assumption they don’t care. Perhaps some feel a mask can trap and enhance ones chances of catching it? Unless a person stops every non wearer and asks they can’t therefore assume their reasons. Not everyone reads the same information.

Surveillance testing we have conducted has consistently shown that the vast majority of positive cases have zero symptoms.

But I hope the majority don't stay symptom free. Otherwise, you'll never know you're a carrier while positive.

There are literally people who have commented on this forum thread whose lives are endangered by people not wearing a mask. It is truly sad. Being a contrarian when the overwhelming body of science and medicine declares otherwise seems indifferent to the needs of others.

And it's not like people are being asked to storm the beaches at Normandy. They are being asked to wear a mask at the grocery store.

Looking back at my last number of posts I can’t believe how serious I’ve become about the world. The night of the cancelled Thunder game I was talking to a guy about buying his Mini-Sprint car, parts and trailer. I was going to try dirt track racing again at 61 yrs old with two man-made hips. Yes, insane, I know. Now I’m infatuated with discussing data points and whether or not wearing a mask is the right thing to do. This whole situation is crazy.

https://factcheck.afp.com/misleading-article-warns-against-face-masks-during-covid-19-pandemic

Looking back at my last number of posts I can’t believe how serious I’ve become about the world. The night of the cancelled Thunder game I was talking to a guy about buying his Mini-Sprint car, parts and trailer. I was going to try dirt track racing again at 61 yrs old with two man-made hips. Yes, insane, I know. Now I’m infatuated with discussing data points and whether or not wearing a mask is the right thing to do. This whole situation is crazy.

At least you'd be safe from the virus out on the track while racing, though. :)

At least you'd be safe from the virus out on the track while racing, though. :)
Yeah. I’m still actually thinking about it once this crap is over with. I wouldn’t be competitive but I don’t think I’d embarrass myself either.

To offer another point of view this article is written by someone a whole lot smarter than me. I looked and could not find any political affiliation associated with either him or the article. He lists 13 reference studies. The main takeaway is this is one of many and each individual person needs to decide for themselves what to believe or not. No one is right or wrong.

The one thing I like about his article he goes into the “why” a mask can be actually harmful. In detail. He talks about there being no studies to prove Covid is stopped by masks. He says masks have never stopped other viruses.

—-

A clip:

As for the scientific support for the use of face mask, a recent careful examination of the literature, in which 17 of the best studies were analyzed, concluded that, “ None of the studies established a conclusive relationship between mask/respirator use and protection against influenza infection.”1 Keep in mind, no studies have been done to demonstrate that either a cloth mask or the N95 mask has any effect on transmission of the COVID-19 virus. Any recommendations, therefore, have to be based on studies of influenza virus transmission. And, as you have seen, there is no conclusive evidence of their efficiency in controlling flu virus transmission.

The recommendations by the CDC and the WHO are not based on any studies of this virus and have never been used to contain any other virus pandemic or epidemic in history.

The importance of these findings is that a drop in oxygen levels (hypoxia) is associated with an impairment in immunity. Studies have shown that hypoxia can inhibit the type of main immune cells used to fight viral infections called the CD4+ T-lymphocyte. This occurs because the hypoxia increases the level of a compound called hypoxia inducible factor-1 (HIF-1), which inhibits T-lymphocytes and stimulates a powerful immune inhibitor cell called the Tregs. . This sets the stage for contracting any infection, including COVID-19 and making the consequences of that infection much graver. In essence, your mask may very well put you at an increased risk of infections and if so, having a much worse outcome.5,6,7

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Again, this is one doctor out of thousands. You will find many differences of opinion. Its best to get and read as many as possible to form your own decision and not rely on just one. The other point is its not settled science and doctors are not even decided.

https://www.technocracy.news/blaylock-face-masks-pose-serious-risks-to-the-healthy/

His bio:

Dr. Russell Blaylock, author of The Blaylock Wellness Report newsletter, is a nationally recognized board-certified neurosurgeon, health practitioner, author, and lecturer. He attended the Louisiana State University School of Medicine and completed his internship and neurological residency at the Medical University of South Carolina. For 26 years, practiced neurosurgery in addition to having a nutritional practice. He recently retired from his neurosurgical duties to devote his full attention to nutritional research. Dr. Blaylock has authored four

Dr. Blaylock - chem trail conspiracy nut job.

https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/controversial-science-health-news-supplements/seems-neurosurgeons-are-not-immune-neuroses

Would you rather have someone sneeze in your face, or turn and cover their mouth?

Why does the majority of the population keep getting brought up. Is this a vote? Is this a competition?

Why is the whole "loss of freedoms" thing so overblown? Do you feel any time you are told/asked to do something its time to go to war like we are fighting for our freedoms against Nazi Germany? I just don’t get it.

Yes, its slightly annoying to have to put on a mask and they are uncomfortable but its nearly conclusive that masks help prevent the spread. Yes, I know you can dig up a plethora of articles From the dark corners of the internet that will help feed your appetite for being “right” to argue this point.

If it happens to be proven that masks don’t stop the spread, oh well. At least I can say I tried to help others.

Remember to love your neighbors as yourself. Or you can keep being a freedom fighter that generations will look back in great admiration in history books.

SOME government leaders that YOU chose to follow.

There are very many who wear masks and have different opinions but you don't agree with their politics so you disregard that.

And of course apolitical scientists who know more about this than anyone are almost unanimous on this issue.

It's fair to challenge those who disregard the advice and clear direction from scientists and merely follow the lead of politicians they agreed with long before this transpired, because that has nothing to do with logic.

The part that I don't understand is that presumably these politicians want to "open up the economy" and return to normal. But I would be far more likely to eat out, shop, stay in a hotel, and so forth if I know others will be wearing masks. The CDC story yesterday suggests that it is a lot harder to get infected from this thing via surfaces. That means it is being transmitted when we are breathing the same air. Masks aren't perfect, but they do make it harder for those particles and droplets to travel.

Why does the majority of the population keep getting brought up. Is this a vote? Is this a competition?

It's a pretend majority at that. All serious polling shows overwhelming support for measures such as wearing masks to help contain the pandemic.

Why does the majority of the population keep getting brought up. Is this a vote? Is this a competition?

Why is the whole "loss of freedoms" thing so overblown? Do you feel any time you are told/asked to do something its time to go to war like we are fighting for our freedoms against Nazi Germany? I just don’t get it.

Yes, its slightly annoying to have to put on a mask and they are uncomfortable but its nearly inconclusive that masks help prevent the spread. Yes, I know you can dig up a plethora of articles From the dark corners of the internet that will help feed your appetite for being “right” to argue this point.

If it happens to be proven that masks don’t stop the spread, oh well. At least I can say I tried to help others.

Remember to love your neighbors as yourself. Or you can keep being a freedom fighter that generations will look back in great admiration in history books.

I’d probably move somewhere like Minnesota (or Norman) if I wanted my politicians to tell me what to do.

And, for the record, I’ve been wearing my stash of ventilated N95s when I go out (not on the golf course, though), but I’m not in the business of forcing other people to take measures that run counter to their closely held beliefs.

I’d probably move somewhere like Minnesota (or Norman) if I wanted my politicians to tell me what to do.

And, for the record, I’ve been wearing my stash of ventilated N95s when I go out (not on the golf course, though), but I’m not in the business of forcing other people to take measures that run counter to their closely held beliefs.
I keep reading posts like this, and I get it from a personal freedom standpoint. But I’m just curious as to what closely held beliefs cause people to be against wearing a mask. Did they hold these steadfast beliefs on masks 3 months ago? Just trying to figure out what the point of dying on the face mask hill is.

Freedom of religion? Sure. Political beliefs that run deep? I get it. But wearing a mask to potentially slow the spread? That’s what some people are getting passionate about? Not sure I get it.

I’d probably move somewhere like Minnesota (or Norman) if I wanted my politicians to tell me what to do.

And, for the record, I’ve been wearing my stash of ventilated N95s when I go out (not on the golf course, though), but I’m not in the business of forcing other people to take measures that run counter to their closely held beliefs.

Nobody is forcing anyone.

I'm stuck on why people never got upset when businesses had the signs saying "No shoes, no shirts, no service"? Minor extension of that.

Dr. Blaylock - chem trail conspiracy nut job.

https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/controversial-science-health-news-supplements/seems-neurosurgeons-are-not-immune-neuroses

Thanks for the research, a regular on Alex Jones? Maybe if people actually followed the social distancing, masks in public, and washing hands, we could reopen.

Dr. Blaylock - chem trail conspiracy nut job.

https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/controversial-science-health-news-supplements/seems-neurosurgeons-are-not-immune-neuroses

Even back in 2013.
From The Encyclopedia of American Loons
#505 Russell Blaylock (http://americanloons.blogspot.com/2013/04/505-russell-blaylock.html)

Another good resource:
The Septic’s Dictionary
Entry for Russell Blaylock (http://www.skepdic.com/blaylock.html)

”Russell Blaylock is one of the big legends in the most radical quackery and denialist movements, and one of the most influential peddlers of, shall we say, nonconformistic medical advice in the US (indeed, you can hardly enter any quack-related or denialist discussion, regardless of the particular topic, without encountering a reference to Blaylock – he is absolutely everywhere)”

Another 6 dead.

I think it is time to be honest. The US is going after herd immunity. We aren't stopping this this month, the next month or possibly six months from now. Our game plan is to play Russian Roulette.

Stay safe everyone.

Another 6 dead.

I think it is time to be honest. The US is going after herd immunity. We aren't stopping this this month, the next month or possibly six months from now. Our game plan is to play Russian Roulette.

Stay safe everyone.

After several months it’s fairly obvious there is no plan.

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/corona052220a.jpg

Yes I'm going to be negative Nancy again these numbers just are not good to me. I don't want to hear it's because we're doing more testing or because of some plant the numbers are what they are just as high as a month ago

True, The numbers are high.

However, Recoveries are higher. Which is a good sign. Hospitalizations also are down below 200.

Deaths are also down.

Numbers not looking good. I am going to continue to stay home. Maybe not going grocery shopping every 2 or 3 weeks and then doing curbside pick up. I am in my 60's and not worth the risk.

True, The numbers are high.

However, Recoveries are higher. Which is a good sign. Hospitalizations also are down below 200.

Deaths are also down.

"Recovery" numbers are very highly problematic. OSDH just considers one "recovered" after 14 days. There are people out there who still have symptoms after being classified as recovered. There was a big story in the Oklahoman this week about a lady who had been classified as recovered who then had to return to the hospital and was placed on a ventilator. So I think we should take those numbers with a grain of salt.

ON EDIT: earlier this week I was prepared to publicly acknowledge that I was wrong because we had several days in a row with numbers of new cases under 100. My wife and I were talking about it last night. We were sure there would be a spike after the reopening (and seeing video of people at Kong's, etc.). It's been three weeks since the reopening and I was surprised to not see a spike.

It could be we are seeing that now or maybe we are not. Maybe as we have read and discussed they are just behind in processing the tests and we therefore have no real information we can lean on to gauge what is happening.

Highest one day increase since this started. Okay, more testing and whatever else might be going on.

Arkansas posted a 455 yesterday, their largest one day increase too. They said it was from more testing.

Still standing by in my hidyhole for the foreseeable future.

"Recovery" numbers are very highly problematic. OSDH just considers one "recovered" after 14 days. There are people out there who still have symptoms after being classified as recovered. There was a big story in the Oklahoman this week about a lady who had been classified as recovered who then had to return to the hospital and was placed on a ventilator. So I think we should take those numbers with a grain of salt.

ON EDIT: earlier this week I was prepared to publicly acknowledge that I was wrong because we had several days in a row with numbers of new cases under 100. My wife and I were talking about it last night. We were sure there would be a spike after the reopening (and seeing video of people at Kong's, etc.). It's been three weeks since the reopening and I was surprised to not see a spike.

It could be we are seeing that now or maybe we are not. Maybe as we have read and discussed they are just behind in processing the tests and we therefore have no real information we can lean on to gauge what is happening.


Hmm... Interesting about the recovery numbers. I read the EO reports, so I probably just missed that definition of a "recovered patient" so in that case, I will probably stop focusing on the numbers as much.

This could be the spike from re-opening, which is what was always was going to happen. It is hard to know without them showing if these spike in cases are from the hotspots in guymon and at the Correctional Facility that has been reported on, or if this is more uniform across the state.

I kinda wish Mayor Holt was still doing is daily updates, He was usually fairly good about posting the numbers locally in OKC.


Personally, I hope this spike is from a backlog of the tests and the on-going nature of the re-opening and not something else. But again, I am a fairly positive person in general.

It appears Oklahoma County gained quite a few this week...

found this website that answers some questions
https://www.bing.com/covid

I was wondering how the testing numbers would start to look after the reopening. It'll be interesting to see how they look at the beginning of June when Phase II was enacted.

It appears Oklahoma County gained quite a few this week...

Guymon has the second highest total for city's in Oklahoma.

Guymon has the second highest total for city's in Oklahoma.

Yes. Been followed that nightmare for a while.

Maybe all the Cinco De Idiots are starting to show up positive.

This could be a spike from opening but it's too hard to say. How long are labs taking to get results back. I heard there is a a back log of up to 9 days for some of them. Real opening was May 1st. I'm sure people didn't rush out right away but 2nd 3rd 4th more and more went out. 5 days to get infected. Then about day 5 on average you start showing symptoms. Wait a few more days to get tested looking at 7-8 days. Then call the doctor schedule a test another couple more days. Up to 15 days now. 6-7 day back log and we are around 22 days. Very possible we are seeing the spike from opening. If they stay above 100 for a few more days then yes i would say it's from the opening.

Here are some pics from last night at Twin Peaks on Memorial. The event was called "Mega Meet" and doesn't seem to comply with the spirit or the rules of the Phase One reopening.

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I'm stuck on why people never got upset when businesses had the signs saying "No shoes, no shirts, no service"? Minor extension of that.

Maybe I’m being overly optimistic but I feel like most of the concern being expressed is over the government overstepping by unilaterally attempting to do more than just recommend that people wear masks in public without it going through the proper channels (though to my knowledge no state, local, or federal officials are attempting to force anyone to wear masks). I would like to think everyone here is rational enough to understand that any private business has the right to require customers to wear masks and refuse service to those who don’t if that’s what they choose to do....just like those who don’t want to wear masks have a right to not patronize those businesses if that bothers them. Maybe that’s getting lost in the translation here or I’m misunderstanding.

Excuse the profanity:

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... (though to my knowledge no state, local, or federal officials are attempting to force anyone to wear masks). ...

At least seven states have mask laws in place, not sure about cities, but I'll bet some do too.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/20/us/states-that-require-masks-trnd/index.html