I never been a fan of comparing this to the flu. However when you look at the total of number of deaths for people under the age 50 is it much worse than the flu? I see 10 deaths in what 2 months now. So over a 6 month period we would be 30 deaths. Probably about the same as the flu?

It is not just about deaths. This disease does a number on people, many of whom end up with permanent lung damage, kidney failure, etc. Young people too.

This line of argument belies the seriousness of this disease for all involved, young and old.

No i'm totally for protecting the older population. I think we kind of are going about this all wrong. The death rate is so low for the under 50 if you will. Let them out but practice social distancing but let them work. Let them keep the economy going. Heck those NBA players still were going to play even with the virus cause they still felt good. Keep the older population home and use bail out money for them. Keep them home and away from the grand-kids. Give them the extra money to stay home.

We totally failed at protecting nursing homes

We needed a sanatorium model for nursing homes. If you work there, you stay there at a higher rate of pay. Don't like it, you find a new job. This is a "war" after all.

It is not just about deaths. This disease does a number on people, many of whom end up with permanent lung damage, kidney failure, etc. Young people too.

This line of argument belies the seriousness of this disease for all involved, young and old.

The constant moving of the goal posts gets a little exhausting - at some point we all have to agree the worst is behind us and begin living our lives again.

Updated for Tuesday:

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/corona051920a.jpg

The constant moving of the goal posts gets a little exhausting - at some point we all have to agree the worst is behind us and begin living our lives again.

What nonsense. Expressing concern about potential future medical issues we've learned are possible over the course of the pandemic so far isn't moving any goalposts, it's responding like a rational human being to new information. Maybe you are looking forward to the possible lung damage, but I suspect the rest of us aren't.

Updated for Tuesday:

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/corona051920a.jpg

No Big Tuesday Jump this is a good thing but are we counting all the test? Has anyone figured out if it's only Lab only test?

Some good context for the numbers, from here https://coronavirus.health.ok.gov/articles/situation-update-covid-19-05192020:


As highlighted in the Governor’s EO report published Monday evening, the State has processed since Saturday 16,308 specimens tested for COVID-19, which is an average of 5,400 tests processed a day. As a result, the percentage of positives derived from Oklahoma’s total COVID-19 tests has declined again to an all-time low of 4.4%.

What nonsense. Expressing concern about potential future medical issues we've learned are possible over the course of the pandemic so far isn't moving any goalposts, it's responding like a rational human being to new information. Maybe you are looking forward to the possible lung damage, but I suspect the rest of us aren't.

You should probably read the comment I was responding to, if that's your thing. Expressing concern is fine, but attempting to justify an extension to the panic, based on non-quantifiable concerns is clearly wrong headed - please point me to real evidence justifying this approach, until then it is more of the fear based reasoning.

at some point we all have to agree the worst is behind us and begin living our lives again.

No we don't have to agree the worst is behind us. The 1918 flu had a second wave that was much worse than the first. The fact is is that the virus is still out there and there is no vaccine for it. As long as that's the case and there are still sizable numbers of cases we are all susceptible to contracting Covid-19. I'm going to continue to follow CDC guidelines and in doing so minimize my risk.

You should probably read the comment I was responding to, if that's your thing. Expressing concern is fine, but attempting to justify an extension to the panic, based on non-quantifiable concerns is clearly wrong headed - please point me to real evidence justifying this approach, until then it is more of the fear based reasoning.

You mean the one that mentioned lung damage, which I also called out as a thing to be concerned about? Wow, it's almost like I did read that comment.

No Big Tuesday Jump this is a good thing but are we counting all the test? Has anyone figured out if it's only Lab only test?


Six deaths aren't a "big Tuesday jump?"

Unbelievable.

Good news out of South Korea. At least immunity doesn't appear to immediately go away.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexandrasternlicht/2020/05/18/south-korea-says-patients-who-re-tested-positive-after-recovering-were-no-longer-infectious/#c82b1a770a6c

Six deaths aren't a "big Tuesday jump?"

Unbelievable.

not all of those deaths occurred within the last 24 hrs. there is a lag in reporting, as has been discussed.

I’d say the 3-day and 7-day averages are trending in the right direction. We’re in the back end of the Supercycle.

It is not just about deaths. This disease does a number on people, many of whom end up with permanent lung damage, kidney failure, etc. Young people too.

This line of argument belies the seriousness of this disease for all involved, young and old.

What are the statistical numbers on this? How prevalent is this among all the infections? There is always a new symptom of the week, but I never see the statistics.

I'm type 1 diabetic, and one of the theories is that type diabetes is caused by an autoimmune response to some virus. If that theory is correct, I bet a lot of people was exposed to same virus that triggered diabetes in me.

Six deaths aren't a "big Tuesday jump?"

Unbelievable.Compared to many Tuesday numbers where we assumed they were catching up on weekend data this is not like a lot Tuesday jumps have been.

not all of those deaths occurred within the last 24 hrs. there is a lag in reporting, as has been discussed.

I’d say the 3-day and 7-day averages are trending in the right direction. We’re in the back end of the Supercycle.Here are hospitalization and death graphs updated today. I don’t see how it could be argued that we aren’t better now than a month ago.
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This entire pandemic has been handled miserably in my opinion - both on the part of the government, 'experts' and the population. Hopefully we've learned something, but I doubt it.

The real hope here is that maybe the "experts" (make sure we put quotes around experts there to cast doubt on them!) on pandemics learned something from BBatesOKC about how to fight a pandemic.

The constant moving of the goal posts gets a little exhausting - at some point we all have to agree the worst is behind us and begin living our lives again.

- Said everyone in 1918 before the Influenza came back twice as hard, killing millions.

There are reasonable discussions about how we move forward as a society during a pandemic with many possible approaches. And then there are about 1/3rd of the posters here who oversimplify the pandemic to something like: I'm bored and this stupid. Let me #livemylife. A lot of these posters seem to present binary options: quarantine until the economy collapses OR live free. This pandemic really is all about nuance. Of course, we re-open businesses, but we should do so carefully. Is it so hard that we can't agree on that?

There are reasonable discussions about how we move forward as a society during a pandemic with many possible approaches. And then there are about 1/3rd of the posters here who oversimplify the pandemic to something like: I'm bored and this stupid. Let me #livemylife. A lot of these posters seem to present binary options: quarantine until the economy collapses OR live free. This pandemic really is all about nuance. Of course, we re-open businesses, but we should do so carefully. Is it so hard that we can't agree on that?

And there are about 1/3rd who literally freak out over EVERY new case (slight exaggeration, but only slight). Why do we have to have fear mongerers? There are extreme views on both sides - happy go luck and doom and gloom. The number of true moderates on this topic are few.

when is the cinco de mayo party at Kongs spike going to hit?

It was on May 5th so the spike should be happening right now right?

Pete, it sucks what this virus has done to the board. So much agitation, aggression, politics spilling out everywhere. Every body thinks their view point is so right and everybody who disagrees with them is a complete moron.

OKCtalk has been one of the few corners of the internet that could have civil discourse, but it seems like posters have come out of nowhere to do nothing but fan flames on everything.

We are dealing with the biggest catastrophe in most of our lives and all anybody wants to do is be right instead of having legitimate discussion. Its sick.

People picked a side from the very beginning based on their political leanings and have done nothing but find data that confirms their initial biases through the entire ordeal.

Pete, it sucks what this virus has done to the board. So much agitation, aggression, politics spilling out everywhere. Every body thinks their view point is so right and everybody who disagrees with them is a complete moron.

OKCtalk has been one of the few corners of the internet that could have civil discourse, but it seems like posters have come out of nowhere to do nothing but fan flames on everything.

We are dealing with the biggest catastrophe in most of our lives and all anybody wants to do is be right instead of having legitimate discussion. Its sick.

People picked a side from the very beginning based on their political leanings and have done nothing but find data that confirms their initial biases through the entire ordeal.

I agree but it is a complete parallel to what has happened in this country overall.

Absolutely everything is politicized and polarized and the discussion here is a direct reflection of that.

- Said everyone in 1918 before the Influenza came back twice as hard, killing millions.

I thought that this Coronavirus shouldn’t ever be compared to the Flu, at least that’s what the experts have been telling me.

- Said everyone in 1918 before the Influenza came back twice as hard, killing millions.

The key is that it also killed millions during the first wave...

I agree but it is a complete parallel to what has happened in this country overall.

Absolutely everything is politicized and polarized and the discussion here is a direct reflection of that.
I’m on a couple other forums that have COVID threads that are WAY worse than this.

Went to Uptown in The Village and the Homeland just south of it on May today, first time we've been to either in months. We were wearing masks (correctly) and not touching them or our faces at all. Uptown employees were decently masked and sometimes gloved, with a few exceptions, and customers were about 50% masked. Homeland was a different story - maybe 2/3 of the employees were masked, quite a few of them didn't have the masks over their noses, some had them on their chins, some were actually rubbing their noses and eyes. About 2/3 of the customers were not wearing masks and probably half of those were wearing them incorrectly. Maybe we should just open everything up, get that second wave/spike over with instead of having so many people half-a** their protection and have this drag on for months...

The real hope here is that maybe the "experts" (make sure we put quotes around experts there to cast doubt on them!) on pandemics learned something from BBatesOKC about how to fight a pandemic.

Well, "Dankrutka," you go right on ahead and keep forgetting all the predictions that they (the 'experts') got wrong. And I'll keep reminding myself what I said from the very beginning - that I can't help but wonder if this is all a great big overreaction. Up to this point, that's exactly how it appears to me.

There could be a second spike, or not. There could be lots of little spikes, or not. It could pretty much level off at a level and stay, or not. It could (unlikely but it would be great) slowly trail off and go away, or not. It could be some conglomeration of some or all of the above. No one has a clue which will happen and won’t know until after it’s over and done with.

Heard a really interesting interview on the way home from work. I was at Twin Peaks the night of the Thunder - Utah game that was at the beginning of everything going downhill. It was odd watching a half hour of “what the hell”. Gov Stitt was on Traber’s show on the Animal and talked about it. He and his son were at the game. He got a call from the chief of the health dept. saying that a Jazz player had tested positive. At this point no one else knew. Stitt went to Sam Presti and Clay Bennett and they went to a private area and discussed the situation. The NBA Commissioner was called to see what NBA policy was but of course there wasn’t one yet. The decision was made to call off the game. Then a discussion was had about how to announce it to the crowd in order to get the calmest reaction possible. I had really been curious about what happened during that half hour.

I have real concerns about our over 65 population in Okc as well as nationally. Many have not saved adequately for retirement and many counted on continuing to work as part of their "retirement" plan. What happens to all these seniors who lose work because they are high risk or because the company can avoid an age discrimination lawsuit by saying that the layoffs are due to $ loss from Covid. We are going to end up footing the bill for a lot of seniors falling into poverty.

Well, "Dankrutka," you go right on ahead and keep forgetting all the predictions that they (the 'experts') got wrong. And I'll keep reminding myself what I said from the very beginning - that I can't help but wonder if this is all a great big overreaction. Up to this point, that's exactly how it appears to me.

Again, you think they got them "wrong" because you're not an epidemiologist and do not understand how modeling works. Models are NOT predictions. That's my point. You're misinterpreting basic stuff and blaming experts.

Again, you think they got them "wrong" because you're not an epidemiologist and do not understand how modeling works. Models are NOT predictions. That's my point. You're misinterpreting basic stuff and blaming experts.
If they aren’t to be taken as predictions then the modelers need to keep them to themselves. When published it’s human nature to assume that the model is a prediction. Otherwise why model and publish the model?

The constant moving of the goal posts gets a little exhausting - at some point we all have to agree the worst is behind us and begin living our lives again.

I don't think I understand your point. I'm living my best life (and avoiding public activity). No one is "moving the goal posts" here. The point is that a preoccupation with deaths alone obscures the fact that many survivors of all ages are permanently damaged by Covid 19. I'm sure you have read about the Swiss divers as an example.

I still don't understand the numbers sometimes. Executive Order Report for 5-18 shows COVID-19 Cases Currently Hospitalized: 63 (49 in ICU)
Persons Under Investigation in Hospital: 104 (28 in ICU) So 167 Total. Today's report shows COVID-19 Cases Currently Hospitalized: 74 (56 in ICU)
Persons Under Investigation in Hospital: 135 (36 in ICU) So 209. But the numbers today only showed I think 6 new Hospitalized. So is it just more people that were currently in the hospital they think might have Covid now?

Back and forth. What Pete posted is so true about the division in society as a whole. The division we see is a direct result of populist governments that stir up the population to not trust the government, drive conspiracy theories for political purposes, on and on it goes. It was inevitable that a pandemic (long predicted) would be politically charged by these same divisive voices. It leads to “who can you trust” thinking when populism has torn down the authority of government, and those in power feed off that very sentiment — about everything. So, here we are.

I agree but it is a complete parallel to what has happened in this country overall.

Absolutely everything is politicized and polarized and the discussion here is a direct reflection of that.
I do appreciate your charts/spreadsheets showing historical numbers. Please don't stop as it is a good point of reference for many of us. This was buried in all the posts from the last page, but here are the reposted 5/19/20 numbers:

https://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/corona051920a.jpg

Again, you think they got them "wrong" because you're not an epidemiologist and do not understand how modeling works. Models are NOT predictions. That's my point. You're misinterpreting basic stuff and blaming experts.

I'm not just talking models - which they got horribly wrong at every turn. But keep doing what you do and cherry pick to fit your narrative. We had 'experts' being presented that falsely said how the virus was spread, that we didn't need masks, the list goes on and on.

But yeah, we should instead listen to the anonymous poster on OKCTalk instead of applying common sense to what has happened up to this point. Stomp your foot and stick out your tongue all you want and tell yourself how smart you are and how ignorant everyone else is. But guess what? The country is reopening - haphazardly and with no clear plan, but it's opening nonetheless. The sad fact of the matter is the citizens have been on their own from the beginning. Lots of mistakes were made and will continue to be made. But at this point there is no option but to reopen. If people want to do it carefree and carelessly - they'll most likely be a part of the new statistics. If they want to do it while applying common sense, they fortunately will most likely fall within the overwhelming majority this virus has little or not effect on.

I'm not just talking models - which they got horribly wrong at every turn. But keep doing what you do and cherry pick to fit your narrative. We had 'experts' being presented that falsely said how the virus was spread, that we didn't need masks, the list goes on and on.

But yeah, we should instead listen to the anonymous poster on OKCTalk instead of applying common sense to what has happened up to this point. Stomp your foot and stick out your tongue all you want and tell yourself how smart you are and how ignorant everyone else is. But guess what? The country is reopening - haphazardly and with no clear plan, but it's opening nonetheless. The sad fact of the matter is the citizens have been on their own from the beginning. Lots of mistakes were made and will continue to be made. But at this point there is no option but to reopen. If people want to do it carefree and carelessly - they'll most likely be a part of the new statistics. If they want to do it while applying common sense, they fortunately will most likely fall within the overwhelming majority this virus has little or not effect on.

Dan is anything but anonymous.

This is the exact type of rhetoric that got you banned last time.

Dan is anything but anonymous.

This is the exact type of rhetoric that got you banned last time.

And now perma-banned.

By pure luck I read two articles in a row this morning...

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6920e2.htm

It's an interesting breakdown of one outbreak/spread in early March from a church service.

And then

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/19/us/community-christian-school-oklahoma-graduation-trnd/index.html

I wonder if in a month or two CDC will be publishing a report on a new outbreak.

By pure luck I read two articles in a row this morning...

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6920e2.htm

It's an interesting breakdown of one outbreak/spread in early March from a church service.

And then

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/19/us/community-christian-school-oklahoma-graduation-trnd/index.html

I wonder if in a month or two CDC will be publishing a report on a new outbreak.

I read about that case in Arkansas from the church service. I wonder if it is more to do with the part of church that involves hugging and handshaking or something with the singing for prolonged periods of time. They fact two people who were symptomatic attended church makes it worse...

Heard a really interesting interview on the way home from work. I was at Twin Peaks the night of the Thunder - Utah game that was at the beginning of everything going downhill. It was odd watching a half hour of “what the hell”. Gov Stitt was on Traber’s show on the Animal and talked about it. He and his son were at the game. He got a call from the chief of the health dept. saying that a Jazz player had tested positive. At this point no one else knew. Stitt went to Sam Presti and Clay Bennett and they went to a private area and discussed the situation. The NBA Commissioner was called to see what NBA policy was but of course there wasn’t one yet. The decision was made to call off the game. Then a discussion was had about how to announce it to the crowd in order to get the calmest reaction possible. I had really been curious about what happened during that half hour.

That does sound interesting. So how did they announce it to the crowd? Getting that many people to leave and go home while not panicking seems like a challenge.

I think declaring that COVID as a whole has been overblown is a little flippant and maybe self-centered from us here in Oklahoma. It clearly has hit some places worldwide and in the US very hard, but we are fortunate here in Oklahoma for it to not have exploded as it has in other places.

I hope as more and more business re-open and more and more people become comfortable resuming their "normal lives" that that things at worst stay at the same levels they had been. Maybe it is something about OK or OKC that has prevented the virus from propagating like it has in NYC or some other locations - population density or something else.

I fear that our response to the virus as soon as we had cases in-state is what has prevented the spread and that re-opening too soon will result in additional, needless cases cropping up and damaging human lives.

I am not an oracle, however, or have the education or experience necessary to make an informed prediction on how things will turn out. Neither are most (all?) of the posters on this board. But these are my thoughts.

That does sound interesting. So how did they announce it to the crowd? Getting that many people to leave and go home while not panicking seems like a challenge.
They announced that “For unforeseen circumstances tonights game has been postponed. Please leave the arena calmly and courteously”. The first sentence is verbatim. The second might be worded a bit off but was something very close to that.

Having trouble uploading my graphic but today's numbers showed the following increases:

Positive cases: 43
Hospitalized: 8
Deaths: 5

4 days in a row that new cases are below 100. Only second time that has happened. Both in May.
Also yesterday’s 91 new cases were from 4831 test results. One of the best percentages yet. All three days below 100 were very good percentages.

BTW, I haven't been out to dine in a restaurant or sit in a bar but I'm hearing from operators that bars have been doing great business, just about what it was before all this.

Restaurants are slow, however. And that makes sense because there are loads of ways to get food. Same with alcohol but with bars there is a much stronger social component and most of the people that go out to drink are younger and at less risk.

Will be interesting to see how business for both restaurants and bars evolves.

BTW, I haven't been out to dine in a restaurant or sit in a bar but I'm hearing from operators that bars have been doing great business, just about what it was before all this.

Restaurants are slow, however. And that makes sense because there are loads of ways to get food. Same with alcohol but with bars there is a much stronger social component and most of the people that go out to drink are younger and at less risk.

Will be interesting to see how business for both restaurants and bars evolves.

I went to Picasso's for dinner last night. It was the first time I've been to a restaurant (or any non grocery establishment) since this began. They only have their patio open and every other table was blocked off to create distance, so they could only serve 5 parties. I did drive by Social Capital and it looked like they were doing well.

I went out to do some grocery as well as some other needed shopping yesterday. i am trying to go out every 2 or 3 weeks since I am in my 60's with asthma. No problems with shopping at my usual Sprouts and Aldi's shopping. I had to go to Lowe's for light bulbs and a few other essential items. (I did stock up before hand but went through a bunch) No one would social distance or if I asked them to social distance, people who ignor me. I am have a bad knee and it was clearly bothering me. People made me move instead. I had one employee who came up to me close and asked if I needed help finding anything. I asked her to social distance and waved her away. She kept following me and said, that she could not hear me and let me get close to you to hear. I mean should just kept following me around. She finally got the message. Later at the check out, I was watching a man stand in the exit door way with his kids. Well after a few price checks and a few delays, the lady got me checked out. I asked the man to move so that i could get my cart out the door and he refused to even make room for me to leave the store with the cart. Really, forget social distancing. People are just rude. At Target, I choose the wrong doors, the set was closed, so I walked to the open set. About 8 people shoulder to shoulder spanning the width of the sidewalk and younger then men refused to move a bit and I had to step off into traffic. What happened to being a gentleman?? What kind of person makes an older lady step off a side walk into the road full of cars? Not even talking about social distancing. I walked about 4 x as much as I should have for the amount of shopping I needed to do and now trying to get my knee to feel better after this. If we are not talking social distancing, can we at least be a bit polite to older people? If one doesn't want to social distance because they don't believe this is anything, then at least do so for those who are at greater risk. I live out in the country so delivery is not an option. And no I don't have anyone to shop for me. Please can people think about those who are older. I am not attacking anyone on this group. I am afraid that if we don't follow basics on this, if we do get a large second wave, we may be in trouble.

The Death rate for over 65 is 80%. How do we protect our older generation? Let's give these people an extra $600 a week in their Social Security instead of giving it to the healthy 30 year old that should be out working. JMO

Dan is anything but anonymous.

I literally use my own name and have posted here for a decade!

I went to Picasso's for dinner last night. It was the first time I've been to a restaurant (or any non grocery establishment) since this began. They only have their patio open and every other table was blocked off to create distance, so they could only serve 5 parties. I did drive by Social Capital and it looked like they were doing well.

It's nice to hear that Picasso's is set up responsibly. Social Capital and Fassler Hall are set up well to succeed with lots of tables (more social distancing) and lots of outdoor seating. Generally, those places can have a lot of customers and a lot of open tables anyway. Again, I'd love to see more places achieve this by using parking spaces or streets if possible.

^

I said this at the very beginning of this outbreak: everything about America is built on hyper-capitalism, competition and looking out for #1. Consequently, we are especially ill-equipped for something like a pandemic which requires some small sacrifices for the greater good.

And I'm sorry but it must be said, the "screw everyone else, I just want what I want" mentality has greatly accelerated in recent years. And the 'everything is a conspiracy and no information can be trusted' movement has played right into this as well.

So, here we are and it's absolutely no coincidence that we have way more cases and deaths than any other country.

The question becomes, do we just continue down this dangerous Greed is Good path or will this be a pivot point where we take stock of what is important and realize we don't need a new car every few years or some huge home even though families are much smaller than when the average home size was about 1/3rd what it is now? Or faced with an actual trial run, do we merely decide we'll continue to roll the dice because we want immediate gratification?

I think these are the most interesting questions coming from this entire situation.

I went out to do some grocery as well as some other needed shopping yesterday. i am trying to go out every 2 or 3 weeks since I am in my 60's with asthma. No problems with shopping at my usual Sprouts and Aldi's shopping. I had to go to Lowe's for light bulbs and a few other essential items. (I did stock up before hand but went through a bunch) No one would social distance or if I asked them to social distance, people who ignor me. I am have a bad knee and it was clearly bothering me. People made me move instead. I had one employee who came up to me close and asked if I needed help finding anything. I asked her to social distance and waved her away. She kept following me and said, that she could not hear me and let me get close to you to hear. I mean should just kept following me around. She finally got the message. Later at the check out, I was watching a man stand in the exit door way with his kids. Well after a few price checks and a few delays, the lady got me checked out. I asked the man to move so that i could get my cart out the door and he refused to even make room for me to leave the store with the cart. Really, forget social distancing. People are just rude. At Target, I choose the wrong doors, the set was closed, so I walked to the open set. About 8 people shoulder to shoulder spanning the width of the sidewalk and younger then men refused to move a bit and I had to step off into traffic. What happened to being a gentleman?? What kind of person makes an older lady step off a side walk into the road full of cars? Not even talking about social distancing. I walked about 4 x as much as I should have for the amount of shopping I needed to do and now trying to get my knee to feel better after this. If we are not talking social distancing, can we at least be a bit polite to older people? If one doesn't want to social distance because they don't believe this is anything, then at least do so for those who are at greater risk. I live out in the country so delivery is not an option. And no I don't have anyone to shop for me. Please can people think about those who are older. I am not attacking anyone on this group. I am afraid that if we don't follow basics on this, if we do get a large second wave, we may be in trouble.

Reading this makes me truly sad -- and angry. I'm sorry this happened. May I recommend Whole Foods, Trader Joe's, and Costco? I know they may or may not be your preferred shopping locales, but it seems as if they are taking this very seriously. Sadly, our own Oklahoma-owned businesses are hit or miss at best.

What is baffling to me is the people who on one hand are bellyaching as if they have been chained up in the bowels of a Soviet-era gulag but refuse to act with basic responsibility to protect themselves and others in public places.

Just by taking these basic precautions, the bellyachers would be enabling the economy to reopen, for more people to feel safe to revisit establishments, and better, help eradicate or reduce the spread of the virus.

This level of stupidity, selfishness and inhumanity deserves public shame and ridicule. Like this entitled jerkwad. Wear a mask, people. It's not that hard.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2TJ_oRJGSM

Seeing some churches are starting to open on May 31. Split services but masks not required but encouraged. I think I will be waiting until the end of June or maybe later to return to church. I just have a sick feeling that the older population going to church will be hurt from this. I consider my church my family and losing members would leave me devastated.

I agree, mine is asking those over 65 to stay at home. I am 61 and thinking what I should do. I might opt for continuing to live steam.

As far as food shopping, I did not have issues with Sprouts or Aldi's. It was Lowe's and Target for non food items. I needed light bulbs. I have light fixtures that have light 6 or 8 bulbs in them. They seem to want to go out all around the same time. I am worried about crowds in Costco. I might try them next time. I am a member at Costco and Sam's club. I really don't want to drive that far to Whole Foods but I might. Its usually in the rotation every few months and I do like their bakery.

Seeing some churches are starting to open on May 31. Split services but masks not required but encouraged. I think I will be waiting until the end of June or maybe later to return to church. I just have a sick feeling that the older population going to church will be hurt from this. I consider my church my family and losing members would leave me devastated.Agreed. Our church is planning on opening to some extent in mid June. We’re going to wait and keep watching online until at least some time in July unless things really get much better very fast.

I literally use my own name and have posted here for a decade!

I feel embarrassed to say I thought your name was Dank Rutka... Some sort of play on the cannabis industry here in OK. :D