Shingles post chicken pox?

Chicken pox is a type of herpes virus. Coronavirus is a different type entirely.

Side note, if any of you have ever had chicken pox as a kid, please get your shingles vaccinations. I did not, got shingles and will have nerve pain probably the rest of my life

I think hyperbole won't work with this virus anymore, It was used in the beginning, and people are tired of it. Heck, I am (I am also following the mayors decrees, however). I know people are over hearing about how bad this virus is, as morbid as that may be. So the best course would be to be honest with people, and not exaggerate for effect (i.e. saying this will last forever), The flu will last forever, and has had 50 years of vaccines.

Just my opinion.

I honestly don't understand your post. First, what hyperbole are you referring to... health experts? Who do you think is exaggerating and why? We've already passed one of the most widely known death estimates - 60,000 - and that's in spite of shutting down most of our society. And you're angry that you have to hear about a pandemic while vulnerable people die and health care workers and "essential workers" risk their lives and health? Who said this (not sure what you mean) will last "forever" and what are your concerns?

This pandemic is challenging and ways forward are complex. There's a lot of room for good discussion. But there are so many vague, unattributed statements in these few sentences that how is anyone supposed to respond?

Bunty,
You're right, but I suppose that I am one of the unlucky few. My neighbor (age 75) checked into the hospital, was diagnosed with the virus and two days later was dead. He was in decent health for his age.
C. T.

I'm sorry to hear of that. On a different message board someone said they knew of three 20 somethings from New York who came down with the virus with one dying from it.

I am afraid the future looks more grim, if it turns out wearing masks won't do much good, because the virus is so small it can penetrate the mask, including even double or more layered ones. If so, I don't see what keeps the Second Great Depression from coming, if we're already not in it. But maybe social distancing from 6 ft. minimum or more will work out.

It depends completely on the mask. If you think wearing a bandana will do for outings of significant exposure then rotsa ruck. If you've got 3 ply medical masks much better or an N95 mask you will be pretty protected.

For most non-first-responders, though, the masks are helping to protect the rest of us from YOUR germs if you have it and don't know it. That's what all the idiots that refuse to wear them don't understand or care about. Their pure laziness could kill someone else.

Go out and do what you want but wear a f***ing mask if you are going to be near others! ��

It depends completely on the mask. If you think wearing a bandana will do for outings of significant exposure then rotsa ruck. If you've got 3 ply medical masks much better or an N95 mask you will be pretty protected.

For most non-first-responders, though, the masks are helping to protect the rest of us from YOUR germs if you have it and don't know it. That's what all the idiots that refuse to wear them don't understand or care about. Their pure laziness could kill someone else.

Go out and do what you want but wear a f***ing mask if you are going to be near others! ��

Somebody needs to tell that to Governor Stitt's wife.

Braums i used to work at was full at lunch. Had people telling me. No tables blocked off whatever people sitting back to back and booths and next to one another.

We're going to have another spike of infections before the first really even stops. I suppose the success with the Gilead antiviral might help take the edge off of the problem, but they're only going to be able to make so doses of that. A million by the end of the year was an estimate I saw.

I think the biggest problem is that hardly anybody personally knows of anybody who ended up in the hospital over the virus and died. Therefore they think the situation is being ridiculously overblown and so aren't taking it seriously. Surely a good number of us have been very sick with something before and don't want to take a chance with coming down with something bad that may be prolonged with no well established treatment.

I know six people, three of them hospitalized. All but one is under the age of 50. One is under 40 and it took her five weeks to get well; she said it was worse than any flu or anything else she had ever gotten. Fortunately none of my friends died.

jdizzle “forever” was an exaggeration for sure. It is irritating that people fail to understand what starving a virus requires, and what they need to do to do their part. Their actions will lead to another wave of transmissions. This pattern could continue for a long time. No one wants another round of shutdowns, but it may be inevitable based on how obliviously and irresponsibly so many people are acting.

I'm sorry to hear of that. On a different message board someone said they knew of three 20 somethings from New York who came down with the virus with one dying from it.

I am afraid the future looks more grim, if it turns out wearing masks won't do much good, because the virus is so small it can penetrate the mask, including even double or more layered ones. If so, I don't see what keeps the Second Great Depression from coming, if we're already not in it. But maybe social distancing from 6 ft. minimum or more will work out.

Actually the CDC is now stating that when both parties are wearing masks, they do make a significant difference. I imagine their earlier guidance otherwise was to prevent a run on masks.

So the good news is they work. The bad news is not enough people are wearing them for whatever dumb / selfish reason.

Braum’s and Sonic act as if the guidelines don’t apply to them.

Texas sets record for largest gain of COVID–19 cases over a two-day period since pandemic began
(https://www.kvue.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/texas-sets-record-for-most-number-of-new-coronavirus-cases-over-a-two-consecutive-day-period/269-fdf0df61-93c2-45b5-ae42-3cb7b1ab8767)

AUSTIN, Texas — Over the first weekend or May 2020, Texas health officials reported the greatest two consecutive-day gains in the number of new COVID–19 cases, with more than 2,000 new cases added on May 2 and May 3.

There were 1,293 new cases of the virus reported Saturday. That’s the second greatest single-day gain since the pandemic began. On April 10, the state recorded 1,441 new cases.

On Monday, May 4, 784 new cases were added to the total. And Texas has experienced 32,332 cases of the COVID-19 virus through Monday evening.

Fifty-one deaths from the virus in Texas were reported over the two-day weekend, with 17 additional fatalities on Monday, according to the state health department. The total death toll stands at 884 as of May 4.

It's getting worse in Texas, it can get worse here.

Texas sets record for largest gain of COVID–19 cases over a two-day period since pandemic began
(https://www.kvue.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/texas-sets-record-for-most-number-of-new-coronavirus-cases-over-a-two-consecutive-day-period/269-fdf0df61-93c2-45b5-ae42-3cb7b1ab8767)


It's getting worse in Texas, it can get worse here.

Or....and hang with me here......or.....it could NOT get worse here? People are gradually moving on with their lives, I'd learn to get over it.

What is the current turn around on test? Is it still taking 3-5 days or longer to get results. Meaning the numbers today are still when things were shut down. I would think we are going to have to get around the 15th to see what numbers look like when things reopened. A week to get infected 7 days plus 5-6 days to start showing symptoms and about 3-5 days to get results back.

Or....and hang with me here......or.....it could NOT get worse here? People are gradually moving on with their lives, I'd learn to get over it.

"Learn to get over it"? This is nonsense, you can't just hope a pandemic away with magical thinking. You have the address the spread, and we more or less decided to just stop doing that while it's still out in the community.

I am afraid the future looks more grim, if it turns out wearing masks won't do much good, because the virus is so small it can penetrate the mask, including even double or more layered ones. If so, I don't see what keeps the Second Great Depression from coming, if we're already not in it. But maybe social distancing from 6 ft. minimum or more will work out.

MASKS MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE. EVERYONE SHOULD WEAR MASKS WHEN THEY CANNOT PROPERLY SOCIAL DISTANCE. This has become very clear. WEAR MASKS.

It depends completely on the mask. If you think wearing a bandana will do for outings of significant exposure then rotsa ruck. If you've got 3 ply medical masks much better or an N95 mask you will be pretty protected.

NOPE. Even bandana masks are helpful. Remember, masks are more about protecting others, but can provide some help for you. Wearing a mask in public means you care about other people. It's a civic act.

Went to TLC on Memorial, 50-60% customers were wearing masks, the employees were not. And there were no plexiglass shields at checkout. Wonder why not, as they have had a month to get ready for reopening. Don’t care, or think it’s bad for business?

NOPE. Even bandana masks are helpful. Remember, masks are more about protecting others, but can provide some help for you. Wearing a mask in public means you care about other people. It's a civic act.

I've loved the urine analogy meme that's been going around. If someone is going to pee on my leg, I'd rather have pants on. And if they have pants too, I probably won't get wet.

Or....and hang with me here......or.....it could NOT get worse here? People are gradually moving on with their lives, I'd learn to get over it.

Or it could just miraculously disappear one day according to some. Not likely or conceivable but as dumb and dumber claimed "There's a chance"

Or....and hang with me here......or.....it could NOT get worse here? People are gradually moving on with their lives, I'd learn to get over it.

I'll bet you a variety 6-pack of Prairie Ale stouts that it will get worse here. No "Consider Yourself Hugged", I'm allergic to peanuts, but Vanilla Noir, Pirate Noir, Oh Fudge, etc., are all acceptable.

MASKS MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE. EVERYONE SHOULD WEAR MASKS WHEN THEY CANNOT PROPERLY SOCIAL DISTANCE. This has become very clear. WEAR MASKS.

Experts are divided on how effective non-medical grade masks are. Hopefully, they're better than nothing.

Yo Pete, I'm sure you are exhausted & beat down from the last couple months but are you done with updating the #s? I use OKCtalk as my resource for keeping up with new cases/deaths, ect...

Yo Pete, I'm sure you are exhausted & beat down from the last couple months but are you done with updating the #s? I use OKCtalk as my resource for keeping up with new cases/deaths, ect...

I would just use the OK gov site. They added a lot more graphs and information now. It is much nicer than it was. https://coronavirus.health.ok.gov/

Went to TLC on Memorial, 50-60% customers were wearing masks, the employees were not. And there were no plexiglass shields at checkout. Wonder why not, as they have had a month to get ready for reopening. Don’t care, or think it’s bad for business?

Will not patronize any business that does not care about my safety.

I would just use the OK gov site. They added a lot more graphs and information now. It is much nicer than it was. https://coronavirus.health.ok.gov/

Pete's is better.

Experts are divided on how effective non-medical grade masks are. Hopefully, they're better than nothing.

There is more support for wearing masks than not among experts. They are saying to wear a mask. Wear a mask. The mayor is saying to wear a mask. Wear a mask.

The issue is that some people need to find out the hard way. Seeing deaths in Wuhan, Iran, Italy Spain, New York and Harbin are not enough for them. So when OKC gets slammed hard and hospitals are full then they will get it. Mask work it's been known since January and I've been wearing one since February. Basically people will not wear mask until it's required so the Rona gets a chance to spread more. Aint this a great state or what.

The issue is that some people need to find out the hard way. Seeing deaths in Wuhan, Iran, Italy Spain, New York and Harbin are not enough for them. So when OKC gets slammed hard and hospitals are full then they will get it. Mask work it's been known since January and I've been wearing one since February. Basically people will not wear mask until it's required so the Rona gets a chance to spread more. Aint this a great state or what.

Wake up. It's not an Oklahoma thang. This is happening everywhere, even in heavily Democrat Denver. The Mayor announced Shelter at home ends Friday with an urging to continue to distance and wear masks.

Wake up. It's not an Oklahoma thang. This is happening everywhere, even in heavily Democrat Denver. The Mayor announced Shelter at home ends Friday with an urging to continue to distance and wear masks.

I was told by a friend passing through from California that even before the lockdown was lifted, there were way more people out and about here than on the coast, which is amazing given the massive difference in population.

And that makes sense given the politics here and mixed signals provided by local leaders and the national leaders most people listen to in Oklahoma.

Given the crowds at Kong's last night and elsewhere, you can see the physical demonstration of the "you're been lied to" mentality.

So when OKC gets slammed hard and hospitals are full .

want to bet that this doesn't happen

I was told by a friend passing through from California that even before the lockdown was lifted, there were way more people out and about here than on the coast, which is amazing given the massive difference in population.

And that makes sense given the politics here and mixed signals provided by local leaders and the national leaders most people listen to in Oklahoma.

Given the crowds at Kong's last night and elsewhere, you can see the physical demonstration of the "you're been lied to" mentality.

Listening to shows on Sirius XM, I beg to differ with your friend's experience. They are talking about how, in highly increasing increments, people are fed up with being inside, and are going out in large #s. Maybe that is just the experience of the hosts, but that is multiple people saying that.

Listening to shows on Sirius XM, I beg to differ with your friend's experience. They are talking about how, in highly increasing increments, people are fed up with being inside, and are going out in large #s. Maybe that is just the experience of the hosts, but that is multiple people saying that.

Could simply be the difference of people in L.A. vs. elsewhere.

Bunty,
You're right, but I suppose that I am one of the unlucky few. My neighbor (age 75) checked into the hospital, was diagnosed with the virus and two days later was dead. He was in decent health for his age.
C. T.

Yeah. And tell that to my friends and family living in NYC/NJ. The only reason people here have the privilege of such ignorance is because we have been fortunate it hasn't gotten too bad here .. yet.

Could simply be the difference of people in L.A. vs. elsewhere.

Oh, I know. My response sounded way more harsh than I meant it to. There are tons of different classes of people in LA( like, 5 times the population of Oklahoma). Just meaning it to say than Oklahoma is not alone in their ignorance and borderline apathy to the virus now. I know this thread is about OKC, but the responses make it seem like it is an Oklahoma problem only, when it is becoming a nationwide issue.

Oh, I know. My response sounded way more harsh than I meant it to. There are tons of different classes of people in LA( like, 5 times the population of Oklahoma). Just meaning it to say than Oklahoma is not alone in their ignorance and borderline apathy to the virus now. I know this thread is about OKC, but the responses make it seem like it is an Oklahoma problem only, when it is becoming a nationwide issue.

But there are degrees. And of course, the entire focus of this forum is Oklahoma.

want to bet that this doesn't happen

I have a few friends that are doctors, respiratory therapists, and nurses in the OKC and Tulsa metros. They’ve all said the same things...the effort to slow the spread worked, their hospitals are not even near full at this point, hospital workers, including them in some cases are taking pay cuts, getting furloughed and let go temporarily (hopefully) due to the hospitals being relatively empty, and that we’ve bought the time necessary to prepare for a spike in cases. In one case, a respiratory therapy group at a large OKC hospital has a room full of unused ventilators that aren’t needed at this point. All of them, one of which has had the virus, have said the same things...wear masks, continue to take the proper logical precautions (maintain distance from others, avoid crowds, wash hands/use hand sanitizer, etc), but that they are ready if a spike happens and one of them specifically said he didn’t feel this was a huge deal at this point for the majority of the state...and the low numbers justify that. Essentially they've all said it's time to start getting things back to normal, just don't be an idiot.

That said, I do think people gathering close together at Kong’s and other places are being needlessly reckless at this point.

That said, I do think people gathering close together at Kong’s and other places are being needlessly reckless at this point.

i very much agree with this ...

but i will say those at kongs average what 25 years old +/-

they are at close to no risk of death from covid

i very much agree with this ...

but i will say those at kongs average what 25 years old +/-

they are at close to no risk of death from covid

But the entire point of shutdowns and social distancing is to not transmit to others.

I can't believe this still has to be restated.

But the entire point of shutdowns and social distancing is to not transmit to others.

I can't believe this still has to be restated.
You can say it 1,000 times but some people will still brush it off as it does not fit their narrative.

But the entire point of shutdowns and social distancing is to not transmit to others.

I can't believe this still has to be restated.

actually the point of shutdowns was to flatten the curve .. and not overwhelm the hospital system

i very much agree with this ...

but i will say those at kongs average what 25 years old +/-

they are at close to no risk of death from covid

I wonder how many of them have parents or grandparents? Or how many of them visit stores and restaurants where vulnerable people might be, or other healthy people who are shopping for vulnerable people might be?

But the entire point of shutdowns and social distancing is to not transmit to others.

I can't believe this still has to be restated.

My only hope are that these people are smart enough to be aware of the risk they’re taking and keep their distance from their grandparents, parents in some cases and others who have a higher risk...though seeing some of the people I have at Kong’s...my confidence is not high lol.

actually the point of shutdowns was to flatten the curve .. and not overwhelm the hospital system

That was what I thought as well but at some point the sentiment changed from slow the spread to stop the virus entirely which is not remotely possible until a vaccine is developed.

That was what I thought as well but at some point the sentiment change from slow the spread to stop the virus completely which is not remotely possible until a vaccine is developed.

it very much became a "move the goal posts " scenario once the hospitals becoming "overwhelmed" did not happen

You can say it 1,000 times but some people will still brush it off as it does not fit their narrative.

That's unnecessary.

That was what I thought as well but at some point the sentiment changed from slow the spread to stop the virus entirely which is not remotely possible until a vaccine is developed.

The objective has always been to slow the spread and flatten the curve (which has always shown cases continuing on the backside).

We are getting dangerously close to gaslighting now.

There is this whole segment of the population that expects/wants everybody to freeze and do all these things that protect them, when in reality, the person that is concerned or at risk, is the one that should be taking all the precautions. If one feels at risk or concerned, they themselves need to adjust everything for the next X amount of years. The onus is on them at this point. Harry S Truman said it best...."If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen."

i very much agree with this ...

but i will say those at kongs average what 25 years old +/-

they are at close to no risk of death from covid

Are you telling me that young people are willing to participate in high risk activities in order to increase the chances of having sex? :D

There is this whole segment of the population that expects/wants everybody to freeze and do all these things that protect them, when in reality, the person that is concerned or at risk, is the one that should be taking all the precautions. If one feels at risk or concerned, they themselves need to adjust everything for the next X amount of years. The onus is on them at this point. Harry S Truman said it best...."If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen."

This "screw everyone else" philosophy doesn't fly with pandemics. But we've been over this many times before.

There has to be a reasonable balance and absolutely no one is advocating that "everybody freeze".

Just updated for Wednesday:

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/corona050620a.jpg

This "screw everyone else" philosophy doesn't fly with pandemics. But we've been over this many times before.

There has to be a reasonable balance and absolutely no one is advocating that "everybody freeze".

Americans seem uniquely allergic to acting for the common good.

This attitude might work if asymptomatic transmission weren't a thing and if we all had individual private access to necessary resources (e.g., grocery stores), etc. Facts show this is not the case.

I guess grandma's just gotta live with an increased risk of dying of this disease because she needed milk from the store and the 25-year-olds just couldn't help but get their Cinco de Drinko on, eh?

Are you telling me that young people are willing to participate in high risk activities in order to increase the chances of having sex? :D

lol

The objective has always been to slow the spread and flatten the curve (which has always shown cases continuing on the backside).

We are getting dangerously close to gaslighting now.

Is it gaslighting to say that it seems that many people now expect/want the majority of the population to stay at home and/or businesses to remain closed until the virus disappears entirely or new cases completely drop off? Because that sentiment does seem to be present. By no means do I think we need to be packing stadiums right now and I don't think people should be doing stupid things like cramming into Kongs...but I do think we're doing the right things by opening the majority of businesses back up at this point

We are at the point that the 4/24 phase of reopening should start either causing a spike in cases or maybe it really is on the downside. I know the 5/1 phase is bigger, but the number of cases not ignorantly spiking is promising.

Is it gaslighting to say that it seems that many people now expect/want the majority of the population to stay at home and/or businesses to remain closed until the virus disappears entirely or new cases completely drop off? Because that sentiment does seem to be present. By no means do I think we need to be packing stadiums right now and I don't think people should be doing stupid things like cramming into Kongs...but I do think we're doing the right things by opening the majority of businesses back up at this point

No, it's gaslighting to say: " the sentiment changed from slow the spread to stop the virus entirely which is not remotely possible until a vaccine is developed".

No, it's gaslighting to say: " the sentiment changed from slow the spread to stop the virus entirely which is not remotely possible until a vaccine is developed".

Maybe I'm out of line or just speaking from my own experience but by and large, that seems to be what's happened and appears to be why people are arguing against opening things back up now.

Maybe I'm out of line or just speaking from my own experience but by and large, that seems to be what's happened and appears to be why people are arguing against opening things back up now.

You're not out of line, just not seeing anyone advocating for the complete elimination of the virus before moving forward again.

Anyway, we aren't in disagreement just don't like to see extreme statements on either side of this and it's a direct function of the polarization of this country. Was bad enough before, now it's downright dangerous.

Experts are divided on how effective non-medical grade masks are. Hopefully, they're better than nothing.

The evidence for mask wearing is overwhelming. I posted this article from Zeynep Tufekci in mid-March here and she was correct on everything: Why Telling People They Don’t Need Masks Backfired
(https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/opinion/coronavirus-face-masks.html)
She has since completed this study (under review) that there is strong scientific evidence for how universal masking can reduce transmission (source control) and greatly dampen the spread of COVID-19: Face Masks Against COVID-19: An Evidence Review (https://www.preprints.org/manuscript/202004.0203/v1)

The evidence thus far is clear and overwhelming: EVERYONE SHOULD WEAR MASKS when they cannot practice social distancing or are in indoors with other people. It is a civic act that can prevent harm to others. Not wearing masks in public places risks harm to others.

You're not out of line, just not seeing anyone advocating for the complete elimination of the virus before moving forward again.

Anyway, we aren't in disagreement just don't like to see extreme statements on either side of this and it's a direct function of the polarization of this country. Was bad enough before, now it's downright dangerous.On the way to work I heard an interview on NPR with the Gov of California. If I understood him correctly he said he’s not going to open Cali until new cases are near zero. That could be a very long time.

On the way to work I heard an interview on NPR with the Gov of California. If I understood him correctly he said he’s not going to open Cali until new cases are near zero. That could be a very long time.

I'm sure he didn't say that and if he did he'd be impeached.

From the comments above, my understanding of slow the spread and flatten the curve was to not overwhelm the hospitals. It was a temporary measure so hospitals could handle a potential spike in cases. It was not to completely eliminate the spread or deaths. At this time knowing the majority hospitals are not overwhelmed (yes I know a few have a lot of COVID-19, so it is not necessary to come back with one example of a hospital that is overwhelmed) it makes sense to stop the lockdown measures as hospitals are laying off employees due to lack of business as elective surgeries were banned.

Please note, I don’t want everyone to die with my comments above. There has to be a balance to the approach and taking risks is part of eveyday life.