I wonder if the weekends play a factor in it.

nm Pete covered it.

Did my three week grocery run today at Sams. Everyone was wearing masks and using good distance measures. Good to see!

Did the same, at the one on May. About 10-25% we wearing masks, and hardly anyone but me wearing gloves.

Executive Order report for 4/6 is out:

340 cumulative hospitalized
161 currently hospitalized
51 deceased

37.65% have left the hospital alive.

I can’t see in any way the positives are relevant. Hospitalized and deaths seem to be the most important

Did the same, at the one on May. About 10-25% we wearing masks, and hardly anyone but me wearing gloves.

Yeah, I only see about 10-20% wearing masks when I get out. Less wearing gloves. I get the mask wearing and don't find it odd anymore when I see people wearing them and I definitely think there are people that should. I personally don't get the gloves. I've yet to observe anyone wearing them correctly.

Yeah, I only see about 10-20% wearing masks when I get out. Less wearing gloves. I get the mask wearing and don't find it odd anymore when I see people wearing them and I definitely think there are people that should. I personally don't get the gloves. I've yet to observe anyone wearing them correctly.

Well, I 've been wearing gloves so that I do not get the virus on my hands.


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Well, I 've been wearing gloves so that I do not get the virus on my hands. ....

The problem is, people put on the gloves and then cross contaminate literally everything.

Example: A person puts on their little blue gloves as they get out of their car at the grocery store. Then they proceed to touch the cart and every item they put in your basket. In the mean time they are checking their phone for calls, texts, or to simply read their grocery list. They might also touch their face or any other part of their body or their clothing. They then head to the register and proceed to get into their purse and/or wallet, touch their money or credit cards. Then they touch the credit card scanner and put everything back into their purse. After that they head to the car - opening the car door and unloading everything into the car. Only after getting into the car do many people even bother to take the gloves. off. Too late folks, you've already done a dozen things completely wrong.

Same goes for the gas station, etc.

I'd rather wear no gloves - the virus isn't absorbed into the skin - and remain mindful that I need to constantly wash my hands and apply sanitizer. I see no benefit to the gloves other than in very specific situations; hospital setting or while directly caring for someone who is positive or in a high risk group.

BBatesokc---thank you!

All these people think they are so immune with gloves on, when in reality everything you just described is happening. Way easier to just throw some sanitizer on or wash your hands. Simply gives people a false sense of security and then they do everything the same.

The problem is, people put on the gloves and then cross contaminate literally everything.

Example: A person puts on their little blue gloves as they get out of their car at the grocery store. Then they proceed to touch the cart and every item they put in your basket. In the mean time they are checking their phone for calls, texts, or to simply read their grocery list. They might also touch their face or any other part of their body or their clothing. They then head to the register and proceed to get into their purse and/or wallet, touch their money or credit cards. Then they touch the credit card scanner and put everything back into their purse. After that they head to the car - opening the car door and unloading everything into the car. Only after getting into the car do many people even bother to take the gloves. off. Too late folks, you've already done a dozen things completely wrong.

Same goes for the gas station, etc.

I'd rather wear no gloves - the virus isn't absorbed into the skin - and remain mindful that I need to constantly wash my hands and apply sanitizer. I see no benefit to the gloves other than in very specific situations; hospital setting or while directly caring for someone who is positive or in a high risk group.

Yep, we do the same as you. Just shop in the store, don't touch your face, don't touch your phone, put your credit card back in a pocket that doesn't have anything else in it after you pay, put hand sanitizer on as soon as you unload the groceries into your car, wash hands at home, unload groceries, take bags to trash, wash hands again, wipe off credit card, wash clothes, pretty much done.

Yep, we do the same as you. Just shop in the store, don't touch your face, don't touch your phone, put your credit card back in a pocket that doesn't have anything else in it after you pay, put hand sanitizer on as soon as you unload the groceries into your car, wash hands at home, unload groceries, take bags to trash, wash hands again, wipe off credit card, wash clothes, pretty much done.

Ditto. Next time with gloves on for an additional barrier. Hands get sanitized either way.

Yeah, that's the problem with gloves. Makes people lazy when it comes to washing their hands or anything else they may touch. Better to assume your hands are your worse enemy that constantly need to be washed.

Gloves in the healthcare setting are meant to be an added level of protection for the patient in case the doctor or nurse doesn't do a good job at washing their hands which happens a lot. Glove immediately goes in the trash afterwards.

On another note, masks are good way to keep you from touching your face.

I'm not a glove wearer, but I have been considering only when getting fuel.

One glove to touch the buttons and nozzle, bare hand to handle card. Obviously, dispose of glove after I put the nozzle back in the holder.

I'm not a glove wearer, but I have been considering only when getting fuel.

One glove to touch the buttons and nozzle, bare hand to handle card. Obviously, dispose of glove after I put the nozzle back in the holder.

They work for that. Put them in the trash can by the pumps when you are done. Then sanitize your hands.

Gloves remind me not to touch my face or anything I don’t want to contaminate but I probably learned that wearing gloves while working, when touching my face would mean putting dirt, grease, paint, and what have you on it. I suppose some people never learned that.

They work for that. Put them in the trash can by the pumps when you are done. Then sanitize your hands.

Gloves remind me not to touch my face or anything I don’t want to contaminate but I probably learned that wearing gloves while working, when touching my face would mean putting dirt, grease, paint, and what have you on it. I suppose some people never learned that.

this I think is a key point

I'm not a glove wearer, but I have been considering only when getting fuel.

One glove to touch the buttons and nozzle, bare hand to handle card. Obviously, dispose of glove after I put the nozzle back in the holder.

And don't put your card back in your wallet after it's been in the card reader, put it in a pocket with nothing else in it.

I work on my family's cars a lot, and almost always use gloves to limit the grease/oil/yuck from the car to my hands. You learn quickly not to touch things that you don't want to get dirty, and also how gloves do (and don't) work.

I'm not a glove wearer, but I have been considering only when getting fuel.

One glove to touch the buttons and nozzle, bare hand to handle card. Obviously, dispose of glove after I put the nozzle back in the holder.

Great. I do this and keep wipes in my car to wipe down my credit card before putting it back in my wallet.

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On another note, masks are good way to keep you from touching your face.

Only if they fit properly and you don't have to adjust them.

pretty interesting stuff in this

https://news.yahoo.com/sweden-found-solution-coronavirus-103003618.html

pretty interesting stuff in this

https://news.yahoo.com/sweden-found-solution-coronavirus-103003618.html

Doing things that are evidence- and science-based, nice to see somebody doing it that way.

Exactly what I would expect from a National Review piece.

Doing things that are evidence- and science-based, nice to see somebody doing it that way.

Didn't a certain political figure in this state get lambasted for advocating something like this?

Noticed this morning some of the cashiers at Homeland wearing masks. All appeared to have on gloves. We haven't been to any fast food drive-throughs since this began, and I was curious what those personnel are wearing as they prep and serve.

Didn't a certain political figure in this state get lambasted for advocating something like this?

Yeah, he did, his order was for elderly and susceptible populations to isolate, very similar. I'm not sure, though, if Sweden's approach is scalable to our larger population and complexity - they have 10 million people, the US has 35 times that many, just as a starting point, not to mention more people coming in and out of the country, they don't have 50+ different states/territories that are all uncoordinated, all the political party BS here in the US, etc.. At least Sweden's method might be the way to get out of what we're doing currently.

Yep, we do the same as you. Just shop in the store, don't touch your face, don't touch your phone, put your credit card back in a pocket that doesn't have anything else in it after you pay, put hand sanitizer on as soon as you unload the groceries into your car, wash hands at home, unload groceries, take bags to trash, wash hands again, wipe off credit card, wash clothes, pretty much done.
Me too. This is as safe as we can get.

FYI: You can also use sanitizer on rubber gloves just like with your hands. But, I agree, being mindful about what you're touching is just as important.

pretty interesting stuff in this

https://news.yahoo.com/sweden-found-solution-coronavirus-103003618.html

If 25% and 50% of people are asymptomatic then its not surprising that lower populations would not noticed a problem. Its only the high density cities that get hit hard after having a smoldering fire for several week all of a sudden blow up into a raging inferno.

The post crisis analysis on this will interesting. An antibody statistical survey on the population would probably turn up interesting results.

I don't think there's any question that population density is going to be a critical factor in the analysis of this event. From nursing homes at the micro level to cities like NYC at the macro level, I think there's going to be a fascinating difference in the distribution as a function of population density.

I have noticed a lot more places have the pay-with-your-phone feature. That is great to prevent any contact with the machine, but then you have to press "yes", "yes", or on gas pumps, "zip code".

WOuld be nice if machine's could become pure contactless.

Numbers just updated for Tuesday.

As you can see, once you get past the weekend they start going up again.

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/corona040720b.jpg

16 new deaths. That’s awful

^ oof. There's our post weekend jump.

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Saw this yesterday at my local grocery store. I saw a guy get out of his car wearing surgical type gloves into the grocery store. As I was leaving, I saw the gloves on the ground at the place his car was. I suppose he may have accidentally dropped them but it seems he just took them off and dropped them on the ground for someone else to pick up. Unbelievable.

It's still a substantial improvement against previous weeks rates. The death toll its still pretty on par with a 5-day trailing average. The amount of cumulative hospitalized today should mean that in 5 days a little less than a quarter of those have passed away. It's been pretty consistent since we climbed over 100 hospitalized. As long as hospitalizations don't take off, I don't think we'll a crazy spike in mortality. Looks like we'll be over 100 either this weekend or early next week.

Yeah, he did, his order was for elderly and susceptible populations to isolate, very similar. I'm not sure, though, if Sweden's approach is scalable to our larger population and complexity - they have 10 million people, the US has 35 times that many, just as a starting point, not to mention more people coming in and out of the country, they don't have 50+ different states/territories that are all uncoordinated, all the political party BS here in the US, etc.. At least Sweden's method might be the way to get out of what we're doing currently.

I was meaning Stitt. He said the same thing Sweden did, and OK has 1/3 the population.

^ oof. There's our post weekend jump.

Why is this? No testing on weekends?

Why is this? No testing on weekends?

Doctors offices are closed on weekends so people are never sent to be tested. That would be my guess.

Death rate lags so we are probably seeing that surge in hospitalizations from the beginning of the month show up now as deaths.

I was meaning Stitt. He said the same thing Sweden did, and OK has 1/3 the population.

Yep, I know, I was just extrapolating Sweden's method to the entire US. Stitt did what Sweden did, but the other states around OK (except AR, which apparently still doesn't have a shelter-in-place order) were doing what the other countries in the EU were doing, very similar.

Saw a guy out walking some dogs today out on the median of Venice, he was wearing a bandanna, nobody within a block, much less 6 feet, logic and science just isn't being used. :( And I wonder how many of these bandannas are worn outside, then thrown on a couch or table (even worse) when they get home, after they've touched the entire mask while taking it off (as BBates said earlier)?

Why is this? No testing on weekends?

The drive through testing locations also operate on weekdays only I believe.

https://omrf.org/2020/04/07/medical-research-in-the-time-of-coronavirus/?utm_campaign=coschedule&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=OMRF

Some nice information from OMRF about applications they are doing for NIH grants as well as testing.

Not sure of what other states are doing, but why can't all these numbers be available (from both private and state/public labs) from every state so we get the *entire* set of data:

Number of tests administered
Number of positives
Number of negatives
Number of hospitalized
Number of dead
Number of recovered/discharged from hospital alive

Had a couple of friends get tested after coming into close contact with someone who is now hospitalized. Appears they were able to be treated privately for about $75 and got results in 20 minutes (negative). I'm glad to hear this is now an option. Unfortunately, I have other friends who have been quarantined for over a week now and still don't know their results.

The problem is, people put on the gloves and then cross contaminate literally everything.

Example: A person puts on their little blue gloves as they get out of their car at the grocery store. Then they proceed to touch the cart and every item they put in your basket. In the mean time they are checking their phone for calls, texts, or to simply read their grocery list. They might also touch their face or any other part of their body or their clothing. They then head to the register and proceed to get into their purse and/or wallet, touch their money or credit cards. Then they touch the credit card scanner and put everything back into their purse. After that they head to the car - opening the car door and unloading everything into the car. Only after getting into the car do many people even bother to take the gloves. off. Too late folks, you've already done a dozen things completely wrong.

Same goes for the gas station, etc.

I'd rather wear no gloves - the virus isn't absorbed into the skin - and remain mindful that I need to constantly wash my hands and apply sanitizer. I see no benefit to the gloves other than in very specific situations; hospital setting or while directly caring for someone who is positive or in a high risk group.

One of the reasons I'm just a little skeptical of food preparers touching items wearing gloves not in their areas; most fast food restaurants assign workers to stations to avoid cross-contamination (raw meats & cooked meats) where you avoid illnesses like Gastroenteritis, Trichinosis, Salmonella, Escherichia coli (E-coli) and a host of others.

Recall a place called Sammy's Pizza on N.W. 10th back in the 70s, one of my favorite places following Blazers hockey games; stopped going there after seeing a worker eating directly from the bowls in the salad bar.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM3WkKuWj9s

Gloves you want them to have as long as they are changing them on a regular basis. That's why I prefer restaurants where you can watch them prepare your food.

There are some current YouTube videos of walkabouts in New York City. It struck me that there are almost fewer people walking the streets in NYC than seen walking in downtown OKC these days.

I miss Sammys

I miss Sammys

I'll never forget discovering a presumably used Band-aid, encapsulated in melted mozzarella, in a pizza at the now defunct Pizza Inn on 23rd in OKC. That was a most unwelcome discovery on our junior high church youth group outing circa sometime in the early 1980s.

pretty interesting stuff in this

https://news.yahoo.com/sweden-found-solution-coronavirus-103003618.html

Interesting indeed. But when you hear that the solution to a global pandemic is "herd immunity" you know that you are royally screwed. While this article is allegedly "evidence based," there are Swiss-cheese holes in some of the arguments. And, I admit, having a serious, adult conversation about pandemic disease is way above my pay grade.

There are some current YouTube videos of walkabouts in New York City. It struck me that there are almost fewer people walking the streets in NYC than seen walking in downtown OKC these days.

I check in on this website from my computer from time-to-time (and a similar service on my Apple TV) to see live streams from around the world.... https://www.earthcam.com

1.) NYC Times Square https://www.earthcam.com/usa/newyork/timessquare/?cam=tsrobo1 and here https://www.earthcam.com/usa/newyork/timessquare/?cam=tsrobo3 (other views available too)


Another good live streaming portal... https://www.skylinewebcams.com

1.) Several views of Italy... https://www.skylinewebcams.com/en/webcam/italia.html

Interesting indeed. But when you hear that the solution to a global pandemic is "herd immunity" you know that you are royally screwed. While this article is allegedly "evidence based," there are Swiss-cheese holes in some of the arguments. And, I admit, having a serious, adult conversation about pandemic disease is way above my pay grade.

This guy referred to the virus as the Wuhan virus multiple times. There is nothing serious or adult about his discussions.

Here is a country getting better results than anyone. Unlike Italy and the US — and definitely Oklahoma—New Zealand didn’t piecemeal their way by taking gradual, reactionary actions to “flatten the curve.” They truly shut things down to prevent the curve. The results are amazing.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/new-zealand-isnt-just-flattening-the-curve-its-squashing-it/ar-BB12gstI?ocid=sf

projected deaths now down to 60k

Ie a bad flu year (not the worst flu year )

I found these interactive graphs from NPR to be interesting to see which states would peak and when. Updated April 7th (https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/04/07/825479416/new-yorks-coronavirus-deaths-may-level-off-soon-when-might-your-state-s-peak) You can scroll to the bottom to pick a state.

Oklahoma looks to peak April 24th. Our projected deaths are higher than some other comparable states.

https://i.imgur.com/CmWhtK9.png

So you're fine just adding another 60K deaths per year on top of our death rate? Very cool. And when the next pandemic comes around, will that be the threshold again? We can just keep stacking them up. As long as they don't pass the flu, it's all good.

projected deaths now down to 60k

Ie a bad flu year (not the worst flu year )

current Oklahoma flu deaths from 9/1/2019 to 3/21/2020 (still waiting for newest updates) 79 deaths
current Oklahoma Covid-19 deaths (3/17/2020 to present) 67 deaths

so in less than a month, we have almost more deaths than the flu in 7 months...

also to compare. the 2018-2019 flu season had 85 deaths

now yes. these last few years have been very low numbers. because 2017-2018 flue season was 291 deaths.

and are those projections now down to 60k because of the efforts we have taken?

current Oklahoma flu deaths from 9/1/2019 to 3/21/2020 (still waiting for newest updates) 79 deaths
current Oklahoma Covid-19 deaths (3/17/2020 to present) 67 deaths

so in less than a month, we have almost more deaths than the flu in 7 months...

also to compare. the 2018-2019 flu season had 85 deaths

now yes. these last few years have been very low numbers. because 2017-2018 flue season was 291 deaths.

and are those projections now down to 60k because of the efforts we have taken?

no because of more data the origional projection was based on total social distancing .... something we are still not doing ..

So you're fine just adding another 60K deaths per year on top of our death rate? Very cool. And when the next pandemic comes around, will that be the threshold again? We can just keep stacking them up. As long as they don't pass the flu, it's all good.

but it is not even adding 60k on top because of which poeple are most affected there is likley quite a bit of overlap ...

I found these interactive graphs from NPR to be interesting to see which states would peak and when. Updated April 7th (https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/04/07/825479416/new-yorks-coronavirus-deaths-may-level-off-soon-when-might-your-state-s-peak) You can scroll to the bottom to pick a state.

Oklahoma looks to peak April 24th. Our projected deaths are higher than some other comparable states.

https://i.imgur.com/CmWhtK9.png

that is yesterdays data that is based on this https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america/oklahoma

the numbers are now lower

So you're fine just adding another 60K deaths per year on top of our death rate? Very cool. And when the next pandemic comes around, will that be the threshold again? We can just keep stacking them up. As long as they don't pass the flu, it's all good.

yes if the other option is getting close to a great depression like event

no because of more data the origional projection was based on total social distancing .... something we are still not doing ..

???? do you have proof of that? and that it hasn't affected the numbers? because i can show you proof that while not all people are social distancing, a decent chunk of them are.