"The requirement will remain in effect until Oct. 13. Exemptions will be available for eligible students for medical, religious or “strong personal reasons.” "

Strong personal reasons. Lol. That is not on the form.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1daEwRHtayxaHPdaQABQQ7zOMImnW3jbK/view

I confirmed that any reason is acceptable

KFOR today said rural Oklahoma hospitals, already full with COVID patients, are seeing large numbers of people ODing on Ivermectin. I hate to feel this way but I'm inclined to think they should just be turned away. There's ALL kinds of data showing Ivermectin to be worthless against COVID and a horrible idea for humans to take.

I hate to feel that way too, but I'm kind of with you. "Hi, are you completely stupid and wasting precious resources? Sorry, we have actual intelligent people here through no fault of their own that need a bed, bye." That's a horrible way to think about things, and will never happen, but man, there's only so much sympathy/empathy you can have for absolute idiots that can possibly kill others (yes, an anti-vaxxer/masker with COVID that can infect someone else is basically carrying a loaded weapon that can go off at any time at anybody, and yes, masked/vaxxed people can transmit it too, but pretty sure it's waaaaaaay less if you're both masked and vaxxed).

Yeah not true if you've already had Covid.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/study-covid-recovery-gave-israelis-longer-lasting-delta-defense-than-vaccines/

It also says they recommend getting the vaccine, about 20 lines into the article.

"The requirement will remain in effect until Oct. 13. Exemptions will be available for eligible students for medical, religious or “strong personal reasons.” "

Religious or strong personal reasons are absolute complete BS. California only allows for medical reasons, which is the way it should be.

Strong personal reasons. Lol. That is not on the form.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1daEwRHtayxaHPdaQABQQ7zOMImnW3jbK/view

I confirmed that any reason is acceptable

Which is completely *un*acceptable.

Strong personal reasons. Lol. That is not on the form.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1daEwRHtayxaHPdaQABQQ7zOMImnW3jbK/view

I confirmed that any reason is acceptable

They should make people get them notarized and sent in certified mail... that would probably drop the submission rate some.

It's a shame they had to do it this way but from what I understand the ruling yesterday didn't give them much choice. It requires an opt out, as I understand it.

It also says they recommend getting the vaccine, about 20 lines into the article.

Yeah but that wasn't part of soonergurus hyperbolic panic

"if you haven't gotten the vaccine Delta is coming for you. And you will pay with your life or you may be bankrupted."

That's not true. The science says it isn't true. Delta isn't coming for the previously infected non-vaccinated. There's data behind this.

Strong personal reasons. Lol. That is not on the form.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1daEwRHtayxaHPdaQABQQ7zOMImnW3jbK/view

I confirmed that any reason is acceptable

The only real reason anyone opts out is because they're an asshole.

The only real reason anyone opts out is because they're an asshole.

Nice attack.

My former colleague's husband has been against the vaccine, and seems prone to visiting disinformation sites to reinforce his belief. Unfortunately, he seemed to have a problem with his wife getting one, too. Seems weird but that's true.

As a couple, they were definitely not Covidiots or anti-maskers, but they are the kind of people who would promote taking zinc and vitamins to "ward off" Covid. I have been pleading with her all year to get her shot. Unfortunately, her husband contracted it and got very, very sick and is definitely not out of the woods.

Of course, when things got rough, what did he do? He called 911 to go to the hospital. No beds at the inn but he visited one of the satellite ERs. His wife mentioned how costly this will be financially and they are very scared. He is having not only the chest congestion, but also the serious mind-f*ck symptoms that come with the neurological cases. Can't sleep, nightmares, drenched in sweat, struggling to breathe.

Apparently he goes up and down from thinking he is going to die to feeling better, but then when he gets up he is dizzy and his symptoms come roaring back.

They were told that if he had to be admitted he would have to be transported out of the state, because there is no one who will take him.

I am not going to lambast the hesitant, but it is time to set hesitancy aside, now. It's also time to dispense with the BS theories you may have cooked up in your head telling you that you'll be OK or you will dodge this. You won't.

if you haven't gotten the vaccine Delta is coming for you. And you will pay with your life or you may be bankrupted.

Employers are realizing they cannot afford the liability of the unvaccinated. I spoke to a CFO of a prominent automotive business and they said one case of a person led to a million in hospital bills. For companies that self-insure their employees, this is a non-starter.

Forget smokers. it's not like they smoke a pack and die in a month. This is a financial train wreck waiting to happen.

Look I am 0% anti Vax. I made sure my parent got the shots at the first possible moment. (Even after they had Covid ). And will encourage them to get the booster

But the stats on mortality don’t lie. And exaggerating the risk of death doesn’t do any one any good

Yeah but that wasn't part of soonergurus hyperbolic panic

"if you haven't gotten the vaccine Delta is coming for you. And you will pay with your life or you may be bankrupted."

That's not true. The science says it isn't true. Delta isn't coming for the previously infected non-vaccinated. There's data behind this.

Data doesn’t matter to them

Nice attack.

https://nypost.com/2021/08/22/study-finds-n95-masks-more-effective-than-surgical-cloth-masks/

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/08/the-science-of-masking-kids-at-school-remains-uncertain.html

Some much Science in here!

Why do people keep pretending that death is the only negative outcome from having a case of covid?

Nice attack.

thanks

Some much Science in here!

You know where there is science. Medical science at that:

A doctor's office. Hospitals, too!

Anyone looking for their science on twitter has a good chance of getting fooled.

https://nypost.com/2021/08/22/study-finds-n95-masks-more-effective-than-surgical-cloth-masks/

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/08/the-science-of-masking-kids-at-school-remains-uncertain.html

Some much Science in here!

The nymag article says this:

"Many of America’s peer nations around the world — including the U.K., Ireland, all of Scandinavia, France, the Netherlands, Switzerland, and Italy — have exempted kids, with varying age cutoffs, from wearing masks in classrooms. Conspicuously, there’s no evidence of more outbreaks in schools in those countries relative to schools in the U.S., where the solid majority of kids wore masks for an entire academic year and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future."

I've done some spot reading and it appears those countries handle COVID in schools way more stringently than the US does, and do way more rapid testing (France said they'll do 600,000 salivary tests per week, I believe), closing, quarantining, etc. Not really comparable, so many other countries are smarter and do things better than the US when it comes to COVID.

And yeah, duh, we've known since literally the very beginning that (K)N95 masks trap more aerosols than any other mask, it's literally in the name of the mask.

From the nypost article (bolding mine) - "“There is no question it is beneficial to wear any face covering, both for protection in close proximity and at a distance in a room,” said Serhiy Yarusevych, a professor of mechanical and mechatronics engineering. “However, there is a very serious difference in the effectiveness of different masks when it comes to controlling aerosols.”"

I'm closing this thread and starting a new one:

https://www.okctalk.com/showthread.php?t=46505&p=1180059