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Edmond Hausfrau 04-03-2020, 02:28 PM I will have to keep Instacart in mind for the future.
Me too.
Also, if you have Amazon Prime, you can get free delivery from Whole Foods in 1 or 2 hour time slots. And they will deliver perishables.
Me too.
Also, if you have Amazon Prime, you can get free delivery from Whole Foods in 1 or 2 hour time slots. And they will deliver perishables.
As a regular almost daily shopper, and home cook, now shopping once a week, WF’s was a bit crazy this morning, especially with all the people shopping for deliveries. Almost impossible to move thru the vegetable section. As we drove by an hour later, looked like they were making people wait outside. This is what TJ’s was doing, and the store was easy to navigate without any crowding, also fully stocked, as WF’s had no flour and very little dairy.
emtefury 04-03-2020, 03:11 PM The problem is when the Governor says things like the bolded below (from https://kfor.com/health/coronavirus/oklahoma-governor-enacting-new-covid-19-guidelines-no-statewide-stay-at-home-order-in-place/). Why can't he do that, he's the governor? Other states have done that exact thing, even issuing cease-and-desist orders and fines. And leaving it up to citizens to use personal responsibility? hahahahahahahaha......
"Safer-At-Home" is different than “Stay-At-Home" orders in place in both Norman and Oklahoma City.
These require all residents to stay home with the exception of running essential errands, like going to the grocery store or pharmacy.
The governor, saying these orders are unrealistic, told Oklahomans instead to use personal responsibility.
“In my opinion, I cannot shut things down and bunker in place,” said Stitt."
Good to see he is doing his best to follow the us constitution. A crisis/pandemic/whatever does not suspend the us constitution.
PhiAlpha 04-03-2020, 03:26 PM Really glad to hear something is being done at Walmart. I went 5 days ago (I never go in general, but needed something I can only find there) and it was horrible. Crowded aisles, people (including my check out guy) coughing, little to no attempts at social distancing, etc. I got out of there as fast as I could. Obviously supermarkets are essential, but I saw little difference in terms of spread potential between that and many other events that have been canceled...
Same here. It’s likely almost considered a terrorist act at this point...but I’ve been tempted to start loudly coughing when people get to close to me in public places when it isn’t at all necessarily. The other day at target, a lady almost brushed into me while I was grabbing something on an end cap for a main aisle...no one else was around and the aisle is 15 feet wide... why is that even remotely necessary. It’s so easy to just pay minor attention to what you’re doing and avoid getting right next to people when possible.
TheTravellers 04-03-2020, 03:36 PM Same here. It’s likely almost considered a terrorist act at this point...but I’ve been tempted to start loudly coughing when people get to close to me in public places when it isn’t at all necessarily. The other day at target, a lady almost brushed into me while I was grabbing something on an end cap for a main aisle...no one else was around and the aisle is 15 feet wide... why is that even remotely necessary. It’s so easy to just pay minor attention to what you’re doing and avoid getting right next to people when possible.
I've actually called out dumba**es like that recently (mainly at Uptown on Britton, the shoppers there were stupider than the ones at Homeland on 18th/Classen, we've found) - "Hey, do you mind, you're not supposed to be there" or "Seriously, you think that's OK?"
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TheTravellers 04-03-2020, 03:37 PM Good to see he is doing his best to follow the us constitution. A crisis/pandemic/whatever does not suspend the us constitution.
:doh: What are your proposals for how to keep the pandemic under as much control as we can while still following the US Constitution?
betts 04-03-2020, 03:59 PM Good to see he is doing his best to follow the us constitution. A crisis/pandemic/whatever does not suspend the us constitution.. Does the US Constitution give people the freedom to willfully and carelessly infect other people by not taking proper care, by not staying at home unless absolutely necessary. I seem to remember something attributed to various higher court justices: ”Your right to strike with your fist stops where my nose begins.” You may have the right to own a gun, but not to shoot into a crowd of people.
kukblue1 04-03-2020, 04:19 PM https://kfor.com/news/local/walmart-to-limit-number-of-customers-permitted-in-stores/?fbclid=IwAR1r1ubTOs8knuQzXaxOLXbl-uHo0Q20mfhvDN1TIusX14l3XKJxWXIlMLI About time Walmart. Others need to start doing the same
TheTravellers 04-03-2020, 04:56 PM https://kfor.com/news/local/walmart-to-limit-number-of-customers-permitted-in-stores/?fbclid=IwAR1r1ubTOs8knuQzXaxOLXbl-uHo0Q20mfhvDN1TIusX14l3XKJxWXIlMLI About time Walmart. Others need to start doing the same
Sounds like this doesn't apply to Neighborhood Markets, wonder what they're doing there? We were planning on going to the 23rd St. one, guess we'll see when we get there in the next couple of days...
PhiAlpha 04-03-2020, 04:56 PM . Does the US Constitution give people the freedom to willfully and carelessly infect other people by not taking proper care, by not staying at home unless absolutely necessary. I seem to remember something attributed to various higher court justices: ”Your right to strike with your fist stops where my nose begins.” You may have the right to own a gun, but not to shoot into a crowd of people.
Probably yes if they don't know they have it or are asymptomatic, You're essentially talking about it being illegal to walk around in public when you're sick. I would imagine some of those powers were left to the states...but I'm not sure closing businesses is one of them. Some states have made it illegal to knowingly infect someone with HIV or other diseases but that's probably the closest we have to something like this as far as laws go.
d-usa 04-03-2020, 05:43 PM Our mayor today:
“Stop trying to find loopholes. What that tells me is that you do not value the lives of the people at your company, your business, your organization, or just the lives of those around you,” Holt said.
Jersey Boss 04-03-2020, 06:02 PM Probably yes if they don't know they have it or are asymptomatic, You're essentially talking about it being illegal to walk around in public when you're sick. I would imagine some of those powers were left to the states...but I'm not sure closing businesses is one of them. Some states have made it illegal to knowingly infect someone with HIV or other diseases but that's probably the closest we have to something like this as far as laws go.
Actually the State dies have the power to involuntarily confine those with communicable diseases that do not self confine and or get treatment.(Title 63) Patients with TB come to mind. I seem to recall a case in Oklahoma the last ten years where they had to confine someone not getting treatment.
Of course if you are asymptomatic that confinement would not apply.
OKCretro 04-03-2020, 07:13 PM . Does the US Constitution give people the freedom to willfully and carelessly infect other people by not taking proper care, by not staying at home unless absolutely necessary. I seem to remember something attributed to various higher court justices: ”Your right to strike with your fist stops where my nose begins.” You may have the right to own a gun, but not to shoot into a crowd of people.
Now do smoking.
mkjeeves 04-03-2020, 07:51 PM Face covers now recommended by the feds to be worn by everyone who is out in public. https://apnews.com/227fa2d005b3923157b9eb736c12e6c5
kukblue1 04-03-2020, 08:00 PM Our mayor today:
“Stop trying to find loopholes. What that tells me is that you do not value the lives of the people at your company, your business, your organization, or just the lives of those around you,” Holt said.
Talked to my buddies and Braums and as far as they know there are no plans for sneeze guards or letting them where mask. Remember you can still go into braums and order and there is no way your staying 6 feet away when ordering. When your at the ice cream and they are dipping your probably within 3 feet? Even at their check outs your probably with in 3 feet. Be interesting to see what they do?
Teo9969 04-03-2020, 08:05 PM How hard was it to say:
Facecovers will only marginally protect you from being infected by the virus.
The odds that you have the virus without knowing it are substantially high.
Facecovers *will* substantially prevent you from unwittingly spreading the virus you have substantial odds of having.
The politicization of everything in our world makes these kinds of communications near impossible. Everybody has to immediately take a side for/against face-masks, without using 2 extra phrases to contextualize the whole thought.
SEMIweather 04-03-2020, 08:12 PM It doesn't help that a lot of the same people who are now saying to wear masks, were saying a month ago not to wear masks. There's been a lot of awful communication throughout this crisis, but the mask thing might cost us the most in the long run, because there's a lot of evidence that universal mask wearing greatly reduces R0. But we're going to have a lot of work to do in order to get to universal mask wearing, due to the miscommunication in that regard at the start of this crisis.
RustytheBailiff 04-03-2020, 08:19 PM It doesn't help that a lot of the same people who are now saying to wear masks, were saying a month ago not to wear masks. There's been a lot of awful communication throughout this crisis, but the mask thing might cost us the most in the long run, because there's a lot of evidence that universal mask wearing greatly reduces R0. But we're going to have a lot of work to do in order to get to universal mask wearing, due to the miscommunication in that regard at the start of this crisis.
Nor does it help when the pretending president of the united states stands up and says that he will not be wearing a mask, but you can if you want to. What a F..king joke.
chuck5815 04-03-2020, 08:30 PM Nor does it help when the pretending president of the united states stands up and says that he will not be wearing a mask, but you can if you want to. What a F..king joke.
Oh, this definitely strikes me as a deeply political post.
Come on Uncle Rusty, you’re better than this.
RustytheBailiff 04-03-2020, 08:47 PM Oh, this definitely strikes me as a deeply political post.
Come on Uncle Rusty, you’re better than this.
Sorry, not deeply political, just factual.. check out the briefing yourself. Perhaps he's not afraid of getting the virus, but I am. In the absence of a magical cure or vaccine, it seems prudent to wear face/mouth and nose protection to either stop one from spreading the virus if they should, unfortunately, have it or to prevent breathing in the virus. But to have Trump state in his lackidasical manner, that he's better than all that and will not be wearing one is an insult to not only the CDC and Dr. Anthony Fauci, but to all the front line doctors, nurses and other health professionals throught the country.
Bunty 04-03-2020, 09:19 PM Sorry, not deeply political, just factual.. check out the briefing yourself. Perhaps he's not afraid of getting the virus, but I am. In the absence of a magical cure or vaccine, it seems prudent to wear face/mouth and nose protection to either stop one from spreading the virus if they should, unfortunately, have it or to prevent breathing in the virus. But to have Trump state in his lackidasical manner, that he's better than all that and will not be wearing one is an insult to not only the CDC and Dr. Anthony Fauci, but to all the front line doctors, nurses and other health professionals throught the country.
No wonder he doesn't feel a need to wear a mask. Unlike the rest of us people who are allowed access to him must first be given the new tests with results given in under 20 minutes.
RedDollar 04-03-2020, 09:30 PM Sorry, not deeply political, just factual.. check out the briefing yourself. Perhaps he's not afraid of getting the virus, but I am. In the absence of a magical cure or vaccine, it seems prudent to wear face/mouth and nose protection to either stop one from spreading the virus if they should, unfortunately, have it or to prevent breathing in the virus. But to have Trump state in his lackidasical manner, that he's better than all that and will not be wearing one is an insult to not only the CDC and Dr. Anthony Fauci, but to all the front line doctors, nurses and other health professionals throught the country.
Come on man, I listened to his comments, and he did not say it as your framing it. Its a RECOMMENDATION by the CDC, entirely voluntary ......... and Trump said the same thing. He said he would not wear one, but he said it was entirely up to the individual.
You make up your own mind. He's not playing messiah like Obama , and speak and have all the minions following his lead like sheep.
That's what he said . Quit politicizing wearing masks, which btw, none of the medical " elites " will flat out state , unequivocally, is necessary. Dr Scott Gottlieb, who is prominent on CNBC , has said for weeks that all a mask wil do is keep you from touching your face.
These medical people are all over the place ........... good grief.
RustytheBailiff 04-03-2020, 09:40 PM Come on man, I listened to his comments, and he did not say it as your framing it. Its a RECOMMENDATION by the CDC, entirely voluntary ......... and Trump said the same thing. He said he would not wear one, but he said it was entirely up to the individual.
You make up your own mind. He's not playing messiah like Obama , and speak and have all the minions following his lead like sheep.
That's what he said . Quit politicizing wearing masks, which btw, none of the medical " elites " will flat out state , unequivocally, is necessary. Dr Scott Gottlieb, who is prominent on CNBC , has said for weeks that all a mask wil do is keep you from touching your face.
These medical people are all over the place ........... good grief.
None of the medical elites, you say? Why doesn't Dr Anthony Fauci qualify as an elite doctor? This from the PBS News Hour: (full story here: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/what-dr-fauci-wants-you-to-know-about-face-masks-and-staying-home-as-virus-spreadsAmericans should
"Americans should wear face masks as a way to help stifle the spread of COVID-19, said Dr. Anthony Fauci, one of the nation’s top doctors leading the public health fight against the coronavirus pandemic "
Stay safe....and wear a mask.
PhiAlpha 04-03-2020, 10:04 PM Nor does it help when the pretending president of the united states stands up and says that he will not be wearing a mask, but you can if you want to. What a F..king
how f*ing hard is it to post political comments on the political thread? Are some of you really too stupid to make the distinction???
Teo9969 04-03-2020, 11:49 PM In before the Pete deletes!
I'm claiming that as a registered trademark on this board :-P
dankrutka 04-04-2020, 12:18 AM Everyone should wear masks. The CDC and WHO has failed on this messaging. This article explains it clearly and now everyone is coming around: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/opinion/coronavirus-face-masks.html
catch22 04-04-2020, 12:28 AM Everyone should wear masks. The CDC and WHO has failed on this messaging. This article explains it clearly and now everyone is coming around: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/17/opinion/coronavirus-face-masks.html
This is absolutely crazy. Every single organization seems to have flubbed this pandemic. They specifically told us earlier it's not only unnecessary but somewhat useless against this. Now another about-face,
SEMIweather 04-04-2020, 12:51 AM This is absolutely crazy. Every single organization seems to have flubbed this pandemic. They specifically told us earlier it's not only unnecessary but somewhat useless against this. Now another about-face,
I'm convinced it's because they knew it was going to be hard enough to keep enough masks in stock for health care workers even without recommending that the general public wear them. Which, of course, the fact that we had (and are still having) such a shortage of PPE is yet another massive failure.
Updated numbers just released for Saturday.
http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/corona040420a.jpg
jerrywall 04-04-2020, 11:57 AM This is absolutely crazy. Every single organization seems to have flubbed this pandemic. They specifically told us earlier it's not only unnecessary but somewhat useless against this. Now another about-face,
I think part of it was that folks were using masks as a replacement for social distancing and washing their hands. They didn't want masks to give folks a false sense of security.
jn1780 04-04-2020, 12:06 PM Updated numbers just released for Saturday.
http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/corona040420a.jpg
Hospitalized is down today. That seems to be the only reliable indicator of spread since we dont really have nearly enough population testing.
brian72 04-04-2020, 12:06 PM Updated numbers just released for Saturday.
http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/corona040420a.jpg Is there a number on how many people have recovered? Is the 316 in the Hospital now? Or have there been people released? I saw where they are not counting the Negative test but only the Positive from Local Clinics. Is this true?
jerrywall 04-04-2020, 12:07 PM Hospitalized is down today. That seems to be the only reliable indicator of spread since we dont really have nearly enough population testing.
That and the deaths have been flat for 3 days, which is good.
ahlokc 04-04-2020, 12:32 PM Is there a number on how many people have recovered? Is the 316 in the Hospital now? Or have there been people released? I saw where they are not counting the Negative test but only the Positive from Local Clinics. Is this true?
As mentioned earlier in this thread check these reports for more detailed numbers https://coronavirus.health.ok.gov/executive-order-reports
OSDH reports positive test results from private labs and the State Public Health Lab. The only negative test results OSDH is reporting is from the State Public Health Lab.
Also google has made available their COVID19 Community Mobility Reports https://www.google.com/covid19/mobility/
Don't know how often they will be updated or how long they will last but google says they will be available for a limited time as long as public health officials find them useful.
jn1780 04-04-2020, 12:39 PM I wonder how accurate recovered numbers are especially in the hot spots like NY. Do doctors really have time to follow up on patients when their dealing with hundreds of other patients or is there an assumption built in where after x amount of days a patient is considered recovered if they dont end up in the hospital?
OKC Guy 04-04-2020, 12:48 PM Is there a number on how many people have recovered? Is the 316 in the Hospital now? Or have there been people released? I saw where they are not counting the Negative test but only the Positive from Local Clinics. Is this true?
Its posted earlier in thread I think but hospitalized is not current its total since beginning. They need to add a current column plus add levels like ICU or intubated.
jerrywall 04-04-2020, 01:01 PM Its posted earlier in thread I think but hospitalized is not current its total since beginning. They need to add a current column plus add levels like ICU or intubated.
They have that info here -
https://coronavirus.health.ok.gov/executive-order-reports
It does look like the reports come later than the basic data.
Swake 04-04-2020, 01:12 PM According to that we have a 9% death rate in Oklahoma. 38 deaths vs 383 recovered. That's really, really bad.
OKC_Chipper 04-04-2020, 01:21 PM According to that we have a 9% death rate in Oklahoma. 38 deaths vs 383 recovered. That's really, really bad.
That number quite literally means nothing.
Bill Robertson 04-04-2020, 01:21 PM According to that we have a 9% death rate in Oklahoma. 38 deaths vs 383 recovered. That's really, really bad.But we really have no idea how many have recovered that had it and didn’t even know. How many have recovered after having minor symptoms only. So the true recovery and/or total case rate vs the death total is probably way less than 9%.
soonerguru 04-04-2020, 04:44 PM Hospitalized is down today. That seems to be the only reliable indicator of spread since we dont really have nearly enough population testing.
There are people who are hospitalized who may have not been tested. I know this was the case a week ago. Perhaps not now, but the head of the state medical association told The Oklahoman this week that there are deaths and hospitalizations that are not being counted.
BBatesokc 04-04-2020, 04:52 PM I think part of it was that folks were using masks as a replacement for social distancing and washing their hands. They didn't want masks to give folks a false sense of security.
I think they've known all along masks were needed. But they also knew we didn't have enough. Now it's just a mind game. Give the public something to make them feel like they are doing something proactive - "Here, put on a bandana. Best of luck to you."
Teo9969 04-04-2020, 04:52 PM Obviously the projections are only as good as the initial data. Given that the death rate is the *most* important, the first asterisk* you have to consider is what counts as death due to the virus. If a patient tests positive and while in the hospital a nurse/doctor administers a drug to which the patient is highly allergic and the patient dies, how is that counted? Assuming that we're doing an excellent job attributing the cause of the death then the following can be considered:
The two things from the data available that matter most are the death rate of those hospitalized and the per capita hospitalization. Positive/Negative don't really tell us much because 1. It relies on volume testing which has not been deployed for Covid almost anywhere in the world and 2. It does not tell us who is testing negative that has carried the virus before and may be immune.
They only started reporting on 4/1 the current hospitalized in OK which will be a super useful number going forward. Right now, we're looking at about a 23.5% 5-day trailing death rate against total hospitalized, but I assume that will go up as we begin to reach capacity. I'm not sure how long people are stuck in the hospital but it looks to be a pretty long time
So right now we're looking at a cumulative 8 in 100,000 being hospitalized and just under a quarter of those likely to die.
If by the end of April we can be at 100 in 100,000 or less cumulative hospitalized (A bit under 4k total people), and see that death rate come down just a little, then I think we could call that a success given our relatively late response to all of this.
SEMIweather 04-04-2020, 05:09 PM I think they've known all along masks were needed. But they also knew we didn't have enough. Now it's just a mind game. Give the public something to make them feel like they are doing something proactive - "Here, put on a bandana. Best of luck to you."
There's a lot of data to show that universal mask wearing helps keep transmission rates down. One of the top priorities for the government right now, IMO, should be to manufacture enough masks for health care workers ASAP, and then to continue manufacturing and rationing additional masks to the general public. It also needs to be made clear that people need to disinfect and/or heat whatever they're using as a mask between each use.
TheTravellers 04-04-2020, 05:29 PM There's a lot of data to show that universal mask wearing helps keep transmission rates down. One of the top priorities for the government right now, IMO, should be to manufacture enough masks for health care workers ASAP, and then to continue manufacturing and rationing additional masks to the general public. It also needs to be made clear that people need to disinfect and/or heat whatever they're using as a mask between each use.
You can't really get rid of the virus with heat, I'm pretty sure, and if you disinfect some of the homemade masks (that have paper towels, etc.) in them, the paper will disintegrate.
And as far "a lot of data to show that universal mask wearing helps keep transmission rates down.", there's also this (summary below, entire article's long, but worth reading):
https://www.okctalk.com/showthread.php?t=45607&p=1112725#post1112725
Data lacking to recommend broad mask use
We do not recommend requiring the general public who do not have symptoms of COVID-19-like illness to routinely wear cloth or surgical masks because:
There is no scientific evidence they are effective in reducing the risk of SARS-CoV-2 transmission
Their use may result in those wearing the masks to relax other distancing efforts because they have a sense of protection
We need to preserve the supply of surgical masks for at-risk healthcare workers.
Sweeping mask recommendations—as many have proposed—will not reduce SARS-CoV-2 transmission, as evidenced by the widespread practice of wearing such masks in Hubei province, China, before and during its mass COVID-19 transmission experience earlier this year. Our review of relevant studies indicates that cloth masks will be ineffective at preventing SARS-CoV-2 transmission, whether worn as source control or as PPE.
Surgical masks likely have some utility as source control (meaning the wearer limits virus dispersal to another person) from a symptomatic patient in a healthcare setting to stop the spread of large cough particles and limit the lateral dispersion of cough particles. They may also have very limited utility as source control or PPE in households.
Respirators, though, are the only option that can ensure protection for frontline workers dealing with COVID-19 cases, once all of the strategies for optimizing respirator supply have been implemented.
We do not know whether respirators are an effective intervention as source control for the public. A non-fit-tested respirator may not offer any better protection than a surgical mask. Respirators work as PPE only when they are the right size and have been fit-tested to demonstrate they achieve an adequate protection factor. In a time when respirator supplies are limited, we should be saving them for frontline workers to prevent infection and remain in their jobs.
These recommendations are based on a review of available literature and informed by professional expertise and consultation. We outline our review criteria, summarize the literature that best addresses these criteria, and describe some activities the public can do to help "flatten the curve" and to protect frontline workers and the general public.
We realize that the public yearns to help protect medical professionals by contributing homemade masks, but there are better ways to help.
mkjeeves 04-04-2020, 06:01 PM You can't really get rid of the virus with heat, I'm pretty sure, and if you disinfect some of the homemade masks (that have paper towels, etc.) in them, the paper will disintegrate.
If you didn’t wear out the mask, soil it or get coughed on directly in the hour you were out shopping you might just simply hang it up to dry for a few days and use it again. For a cloth mask, maybe do that to let possible viruses die, then wash them? Last I heard, soap and water kills it.
https://www.sages.org/n-95-re-use-instructions/
Laramie 04-04-2020, 06:12 PM Our prayers, and if you don't pray have hope; because 'this to will pass...' and continue to contact your love ones and those you hold close to your heart.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6pkmWoeuTs
Together, UNITED, our country will survive.
Edmond Hausfrau 04-04-2020, 07:22 PM I will have to keep Instacart in mind for the future.
Just tried Instacart for Aldi. No pickup slots. Delivery available on Thursday? Wow.
The only other option was Homeland and I don't really have any experience with them.
I'll try again but was disappointed in the Instacart interface and lack of store options.
mkjeeves 04-04-2020, 09:15 PM Just tried Instacart for Aldi. No pickup slots. Delivery available on Thursday? Wow.
The only other option was Homeland and I don't really have any experience with them.
I'll try again but was disappointed in the Instacart interface and lack of store options.
I used them 10 days ago for the first time and got my stuff in less than an hour. Possibly different part of town and maybe more people are using it now.
soonerguru 04-04-2020, 10:09 PM I think they've known all along masks were needed. But they also knew we didn't have enough. Now it's just a mind game. Give the public something to make them feel like they are doing something proactive - "Here, put on a bandana. Best of luck to you."
I think this is correct.
soonerguru 04-04-2020, 10:11 PM I had my first Instacart experience today, also. Got groceries from Homeland (including San Pellegrino in glass bottles and ground beef, two hard to find items). Driver arrived two hours early with a smile and left everything on the porch. I thought their interface was much better than Shipt and a better overall experience, although it may have cost a bit more. Will use again.
Edmond Hausfrau 04-04-2020, 10:15 PM I'll definitely keep trying. I've only used Whole Foods so far. I love that we have so many delivery options now.
SEMIweather 04-05-2020, 12:29 AM Please remember to tip your delivery drivers extra, if you're able.
SSEiYah 04-05-2020, 02:07 AM If everyone wears a mask, home-made or not, I think this how we will be able to bring things back to normal. We cant just leave things shutdown for months. Universal mask wearing has to become a thing, sick or not. If everyone is wearing one, the respiratory droplets stay close and wont infect others if you are asymptomatic or healthy. Sick or not, wear a damn mask.
BBatesokc 04-05-2020, 06:26 AM If everyone wears a mask, home-made or not, I think this how we will be able to bring things back to normal. We cant just leave things shutdown for months. Universal mask wearing has to become a thing, sick or not. If everyone is wearing one, the respiratory droplets stay close and wont infect others if you are asymptomatic or healthy. Sick or not, wear a damn mask.
If we had actual masks available that were made for that general purpose - and we rolled out online, TV and workplace comprehensive instruction on how to properly use and dispose them - I'd tend to agree. But, we don't. We have no supply and no training.
The "Well, this DIY jockstrap, bandana, t-shirt mask I saw online is better than nothing" is pure psychological BS.
Not only is the scarf, t-shirt thingy you're throwing around your face not going to stop a virus that is encapsulated in a droplet that you and I can't even see. It sure as heck isn't going to stop the virus if it is indeed aerosolized. Then there's the reality that people wear that ridiculousness all day, move it around their face, touch it and then toss it in the car or down on a piece of furniture at home - it's now moist with your own perspiration and breath and has most likely trapped some of the virus and you've just cross contaminated who knows what.
We need real masks and we need them in quantities that people can use and dispose of them as they were intended to be used.
We need mobile wash stations and sanitizer throughout there community.
We need people to limit their public exposure, order what you can online, shop in person during non-peak times, wash your damn hands and we need tests to determine who is infected and who has cleared the infection so those people can begin to move about normally or assist in the effort to treat the ill.
I'm still not 100% convinced this virus is going to eventually have the death toll the doomsayers predicted, but it doesn't matter the death toll at tis point, it's here, the economy is in shambles, so we need to just get this over with and our government needs to admit we were caught with our pants down and we have lots of improvements to make in the future.
RedDollar 04-05-2020, 08:35 AM Yeah, but here's what I'm concerned is the true reality, this virus is going to be with us till they find a vaccine. I've seen several doctors on CNBC state that. And they say it will take 18 months to 2 years for a vaccine.
Path forward leaves no easy choices, looks pretty tough to me.
jonny d 04-05-2020, 09:40 AM According to that we have a 9% death rate in Oklahoma. 38 deaths vs 383 recovered. That's really, really bad.
Wait, what? That isn't total cases? We have 1,200ish cases, and 42 deaths in this state. The numbers you compared mean nothing.
BBatesokc 04-05-2020, 09:56 AM Yeah, but here's what I'm concerned is the true reality, this virus is going to be with us till they find a vaccine. I've seen several doctors on CNBC state that. And they say it will take 18 months to 2 years for a vaccine.
Path forward leaves no easy choices, looks pretty tough to me.
Hopefully though, basically everyone will contract the virus and an overwhelming majority will suffer very mild symptoms and the antibodies will prove to remain with us into the fall (fingers crossed)
ChrisHayes 04-05-2020, 10:45 AM According to that we have a 9% death rate in Oklahoma. 38 deaths vs 383 recovered. That's really, really bad.
That's not how you calculate the mortality rate. You divide the number of deaths by the number of cases. 42/1159 = 3.6%. But as others have stated, that's more than likely way high because it's impossible to know how many people have had it and just gotten better.
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