I have a co worker that is 39 healthy Democratic and won't get the vaccine. Doesn't believe in it and has nothing to do with Trump. He just doesn't want to put it into his body. He watches what he eats and puts into his body very closely.

I have a friend like that. She is very liberal politically but is loosely aligned with the "everything natural" and mildly anti-vax. Ironically, she drinks alcohol. I know others who "watch what they put in their body" and smoke. It's kinda funny.

Ultimately she decided to get the vaccine because she was embarrassed to be associated with the idiots who are currently opposed to the Covid vaccine. She also was concerned with the Delta variant. The whole exercise has softened her opposition to vaccination in general.

In my opinion, no company should require employees to get covid vaccinations until it's fully approved by the FDA.

I'll admit though, with all the crazy stuff against taking the covid vaccines going on the Internet, I would probably be too afraid to get one if I was under age 40 or 50. But like I said before, if younger, I would, no doubt, feel myself frustratingly lodged between a rock and hard place. It's also like back when I got the covid vaccine during both times I asked myself if these vaccines are so safe, why do I have to wait 15 minutes before leaving? I didn't have to do that for the flu vaccine. Anyway, I sure hope next summer is a lot better and things are ever more back to normal.

Bunty, a small percentage of people are allergic to vaccines and can go into anaphylactic shock. Doing so is not a death sentence as people can be administered epinephrine in the case that they react allergically. Because it sets in so quickly, 15 minutes is long enough to determine whether someone is reacting badly to the shot.

I asked myself if these vaccines are so safe, why do I have to wait 15 minutes before leaving?

Possible allergic reactions. This can happen with anything, really, and it has happened with COVID shots a lot lower rate than many, many drugs and treatments that are safe and widely used. In fact, people have similar reactions to food, but no one knows that until they come in contact with it.

Basically, as far as these reactions go, the shots are as safe as lemons.

I have a friend like that. She is very liberal politically but is loosely aligned with the "everything natural" and mildly anti-vax. Ironically, she drinks alcohol. I know others who "watch what they put in their body" and smoke. It's kinda funny.

Ultimately she decided to get the vaccine because she was embarrassed to be associated with the idiots who are currently opposed to the Covid vaccine. She also was concerned with the Delta variant. The whole exercise has softened her opposition to vaccination in general.

When you look at the numbers it's the under 45 crowd that is really getting it now. The first and second wave didn't hit this age group as hard. Also and I could be wrong on this but I think most people over the age 55 are fully vaccinated. I think there is a big group of the I'm healthy if I get it nothing will happen to me group out there. How do you reach those people is the question?

I have a friend like that. She is very liberal politically but is loosely aligned with the "everything natural" and mildly anti-vax. Ironically, she drinks alcohol. I know others who "watch what they put in their body" and smoke. It's kinda funny.

Yeah, it's funny. I have heard the "it ain't natural" take on not getting the vaccine and every time I'm thinking "ok, but I have a lot of follow up questions about what you eat and drink." Ha.

Get ready for today's case numbers. Wow. Scary.

2,342 new cases today. Last several Thursdays: 1,806; 1,581; 705; 456; 329; 273; 209; 122; 115.

7-day average 1,832.

Hospitalizations are 954 (+74). Low was 106 on 6/13.

ICU is 274 (+15). Low was 30 on 6/29.

I'll admit though, with all the crazy stuff against taking the covid vaccines going on the Internet,

If it's crazy stuff on the internet giving you pause, why are you taking it into account at all? Folks are outright lying on social media platforms. You can go to the CDC page and review all of the studies showing what kinds of adverse reactions people have had--and it's a very small number. I'd bet that you take as much risk getting behind the wheel and driving to the vaccine site as you do with experiencing a serious side effect from the vaccine.

40 pediatric hospitalizations today!

I've been hearing more companies are going back to mask mandates regardless of vaccination status.

Dell was originally scheduled to return to site (albeit as a more hybrid model) on 9/7, but they've pushed that back indefinitely so everybody continues to work from home.

In my opinion, no company should require employees to get covid vaccinations until it's fully approved by the FDA.

I'll admit though, with all the crazy stuff against taking the covid vaccines going on the Internet, I would probably be too afraid to get one if I was under age 40 or 50. But like I said before, if younger, I would, no doubt, feel myself frustratingly lodged between a rock and hard place. It's also like back when I got the covid vaccine during both times I asked myself if these vaccines are so safe, why do I have to wait 15 minutes before leaving? I didn't have to do that for the flu vaccine. Anyway, I sure hope next summer is a lot better and things are ever more back to normal.

Yes you did, or at the very least you were supposed to. If you regularly get flu shots where they immediately send you out the door, someone somewhere is screwing up how they administer them.

I'm guessing they have the wait built into their procedures and you just haven't been noticing it.

In my opinion, no company should require employees to get covid vaccinations until it's fully approved by the FDA.

I'll admit though, with all the crazy stuff against taking the covid vaccines going on the Internet, I would probably be too afraid to get one if I was under age 40 or 50. But like I said before, if younger, I would, no doubt, feel myself frustratingly lodged between a rock and hard place. It's also like back when I got the covid vaccine during both times I asked myself if these vaccines are so safe, why do I have to wait 15 minutes before leaving? I didn't have to do that for the flu vaccine. Anyway, I sure hope next summer is a lot better and things are ever more back to normal.

First, the FDA is the one saying to get the vaccines with the emergency authorization. They already signed off on the safety of these vaccines after extensive trials that has been followed by overwhelming evidence of the vaccine's efficacy by HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE. How does full approval change anything? We already have plenty of data. This is 100% an anti-vax excuse. Second, asking people to wait 15 minutes is a precaution in the event of an immediate allergic reaction. There's nothing suspect here. Third, young people now make up a large portion of hospitalizations (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/03/health/covid-young-adults-sicker.html?campaign_id=154&emc=edit_cb_20210804&instance_id=37135&nl=coronavirus-briefing&regi_id=79175314&segment_id=65386&te=1&user_id=0f17e6fc2337bd9bf6ffdb7aa3ef4850).

Your post is right out of the anti-vax-sow-doubt playbook. Do better.


If it's crazy stuff on the internet giving you pause, why are you taking it into account at all? Folks are outright lying on social media platforms. You can go to the CDC page and review all of the studies showing what kinds of adverse reactions people have had--and it's a very small number. I'd bet that you take as much risk getting behind the wheel and driving to the vaccine site as you do with experiencing a serious side effect from the vaccine.

^^^

I’m on Twitter arguing with a nurse who thinks her natural immunity is enough and I’m a science denier for using cited sources to show the opposite. Why on earth does this country allow people in the medical field to be licensed when they are blatantly in the open with their anti science views? I don’t understand that. . .

I’m on Twitter arguing with a nurse who thinks her natural immunity is enough and I’m a science denier for using cited sources to show the opposite. Why on earth does this country allow people in the medical field to be licensed when they are blatantly in the open with their anti science views? I don’t understand that. . .

I'll add that no one should be able to work at a retirement home without vaccination. It's unbelievably cruel that our country has allowed this to take place.

But, yeah, right behind that, should you be in the medical field if you don't have an understanding of vaccines? One person I know won't get vaccinated because his family received anti-vax conspiracy theories from a doctor and nurses they knew. To me, that violates the do no harm oath and really should be disqualifying.

I've been hearing more companies are going back to mask mandates regardless of vaccination status.
The whole dept of the fed govt that I work for went to masks no matter what on the 28th. And I've gotten a couple really testy emails about outside vendors being seen maskless. Thang goodness they weren't people I was responsible for.

https://www.koco.com/article/cherokee-nation-activates-surge-plan-ends-elective-surgeries-at-hospital-as-covid-19-cases-rise/37231888?utm_campaign=snd-autopilot

First, the FDA is the one saying to get the vaccines with the emergency authorization. They already signed off on the safety of these vaccines after extensive trials that has been followed by overwhelming evidence of the vaccine's efficacy by HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE. How does full approval change anything? We already have plenty of data. This is 100% an anti-vax excuse. Second, asking people to wait 15 minutes is a precaution in the event of an immediate allergic reaction. There's nothing suspect here. Third, young people now make up a large portion of hospitalizations (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/03/health/covid-young-adults-sicker.html?campaign_id=154&emc=edit_cb_20210804&instance_id=37135&nl=coronavirus-briefing®i_id=79175314&segment_id=65386&te=1&user_id=0f17e6fc2337bd9bf6ffdb7aa3ef4850).

Your post is right out of the anti-vax-sow-doubt playbook. Do better.



^^^

I already did better. I got vaccinated in April. I hope now all the people who are too afraid to get vaccinated will be personally responsible enough to take charge of their health by wearing masks when around people and avoid large indoor crowds. But it's seems too many of the people who won't get vaccinated are also opposed to doing that. It's a bad time not to be careful and get seriously sick, since there is a nursing shortage worse than before.

The anti-vaxxers are getting behind what Robert Malone says against the mRNA vaccines, since he was supposedly the sole discoverer or inventor of them. But it seems he did not play a major role in advancing them and now has sour grapes. They were the work of many.

If it's crazy stuff on the internet giving you pause, why are you taking it into account at all? Folks are outright lying on social media platforms. You can go to the CDC page and review all of the studies showing what kinds of adverse reactions people have had--and it's a very small number. I'd bet that you take as much risk getting behind the wheel and driving to the vaccine site as you do with experiencing a serious side effect from the vaccine.

As you should know every controversial story has a second side. But as I expressed before, I do hope people putting out false or misleading stuff about the vaccines can later be subject to civil lawsuits. Exercising freedom of speech that leads to the deaths of thousands should NOT be free of serious consequences.

I love the fact that those that are waiting for the formal full approval as an excuse are the same ones who demand that we reduce regulations that they think delay perfectly good drugs used elsewhere. Just political posturing, not good health policy.

As you should know every controversial story has a second side.

Not every story does.

Is global climate change caused by man's activity happening? Yes. There is no second side.

Is the Earth a spheroid or is it flat? There is no other side.

That's one of the problems I have about how a lot of shows try to entertain with a discussion on a subject. Entertaining both viewpoints makes them appear equal when they are not.

2,303 new cases reported today. Last several Fridays: 1,777; 1,194; 750; 551; 303; 224; 181.

7-day average now 1,907.

Hospitalizations are 965 (+11).

ICU is 279 (+5).

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For the week...

13,348 new cases. Last several weeks: 9,459; 6,569; 3,925; 1,648; 1,270; 1,151; 1,141; 842; 775.

Hospitalizations +275; last several weeks: 195, 172, 115, 69, 9, -3.

ICU +64; last several weeks: 56, 48, 45, 25, 4, -11.

I already did better. I got vaccinated in April.

I am glad you're vaccinated. But even in this response you again are spreading health misinformation. Repeating health conspiracy theories—even if you don't agree with them—is still spreading misinformation. The Streisand Effect is when you don't want something to get attention, but then it does because you bring that thing up. That's what I meant by "do better." Don't repeat conspiracy theories online because then you are introducing them to people. You're amplifying that message.


As you should know every controversial story has a second side. But as I expressed before, I do hope people putting out false or misleading stuff about the vaccines can later be subject to civil lawsuits. Exercising freedom of speech that leads to the deaths of thousands should NOT be free of serious consequences.

To this point, I wish we could hold major social media platforms accountable. Facebook knows that a small number of people are spreading most COVID conspiracy theories and haven't done enough to stop it.

40 pediatric hospitalizations today!

I know an pediatric nurse. She says they have very few covid patients. Most of them are RSV. While the number is concerning, very few of those are covid related.

Also, just took my son to the pediatrician for a covid test. Said they have had fewer than 10 positive tests over the past month.

Following up from my previous posts, that nurse also mentioned that their lack of available beds is related to a lack nurses. This is an issue in the pediatric ward as well as the regular ICU. She said people are throwing their hands up and walking off the job. I can’t say I blame them honestly.

My choice was basically to either keep on nursing, slide further into depression and PTSD, and eventually act on my worsening suicidal ideations, or to walk away from it and take a medical retirement.

Following up from my previous posts, that nurse also mentioned that their lack of available beds is related to a lack nurses. This is an issue in the pediatric ward as well as the regular ICU. She said people are throwing their hands up and walking off the job. I can’t say I blame them honestly.

A huge factor is that our esteemed Governor refuses to sign an emergency declaration that adds covid beds and streamlines administration of covid cases allowing more cases to be handled in a more streamlined way. That is also why healthcare workers are walking off.

I am glad you're vaccinated. But even in this response you again are spreading health misinformation. Repeating health conspiracy theories—even if you don't agree with them—is still spreading misinformation. The Streisand Effect is when you don't want something to get attention, but then it does because you bring that thing up. That's what I meant by "do better." Don't repeat conspiracy theories online because then you are introducing them to people. You're amplifying that message.

To this point, I wish we could hold major social media platforms accountable. Facebook knows that a small number of people are spreading most COVID conspiracy theories and haven't done enough to stop it.

I'm spreading misinformation? If I were you, I would be a lot more critical about madmen on the Internet spreading wild, over the top misinformation on the covid vaccines, while boasting of audiences of up to 5 million, assuming it's really true. Of those millions are they taking the programming as sheer, bizarre entertainment or taking it seriously? CNN can't draw 5 million viewers.

A huge factor is that our esteemed Governor refuses to sign an emergency declaration that adds covid beds and streamlines administration of covid cases allowing more cases to be handled in a more streamlined way. That is also why healthcare workers are walking off.

While I would never wish him as much as death, I kinda wish Stitt's case of covid was so bad he had to spend a week in the hospital, so maybe he could relate closer to how bad the situation can be. Instead, he only had a mild and brief case. Who knows how bad things will have to get before Stitt issues a health emergency?

On KOCO the director of nursing at the Stillwater Regional Hospital said she has lost 40 nurses from the Pandemic. The government needs to help promote nursing. It's not just a shortage of nurses, doctors, too.

The ever-dwindling number of people willing to become doctors, nurses and other healthcare workers is yet another big consequence of the ongoing Covid-19 saga.

You can't blame people for getting out of that profession or simply not choosing healthcare as a career.

You can't blame people for getting out of that profession or simply not choosing healthcare as a career.

After being in a relationship with someone in healthcare for over 2 years and hearing some of the things she has told me that happen at the hospital..... I don't know why anyone would go in to healthcare.... About the only reason she stays is that she does get compensated very well but it's often at the expense of her physical and mental well being.

Not every story does.

Is global climate change caused by man's activity happening? Yes. There is no second side.

Is the Earth a spheroid or is it flat? There is no other side.

That's one of the problems I have about how a lot of shows try to entertain with a discussion on a subject. Entertaining both viewpoints makes them appear equal when they are not.

It's called false equivalency.

I know an pediatric nurse. She says they have very few covid patients. Most of them are RSV. While the number is concerning, very few of those are covid related.

Also, just took my son to the pediatrician for a covid test. Said they have had fewer than 10 positive tests over the past month.

So what? The number I quoted is for pediatric Covid hospitalizations, specifically, as provided by the state health department, and does not include hospitalizations for RSV. And yes, I'm aware that RSV is also causing pediatric hospitalizations.

Why is this important? Remember it was barely two weeks ago that people on this forum were falsely arguing that Covid doesn't affect children.

Your attempt to minimize the actual numbers of true pediatric Covid hospitalizations, specifically, as provided by the State Health Department, serves no valuable purpose. Further, it seems as if you are trying to obfuscate the numbers that I provided by throwing a red herring into the discussion, which borders on misinformation.

Sounds like your pediatrician is doing the same by equating the tested numbers they have in their individual practice with the state, two weeks before kids return to school. Sounds like an agenda-based argument to me, because it is entirely anecdotal and completely worthless information from a public health perspective.

Again, I'm quoting the state health department, not some random nurse or pediatrician I know. JFC.

After being in a relationship with someone in healthcare for over 2 years and hearing some of the things she has told me that happen at the hospital..... I don't know why anyone would go in to healthcare.... About the only reason she stays is that she does get compensated very well but it's often at the expense of her physical and mental well being.I just counted. I know 7 people that are licensed RNs. 3 got licensed and worked as nurses for a very short time and decided they couldn't stand the stress. 2 were nurses for some time but have quit within the last 2 years. 1 is working as a nurse but isn't happy but he has a mortgage and bills. The last 1 is in a NICU unit which is pretty much their own little world and she loves it.

So this just happened in Arkansas:

https://twitter.com/jzbleed/status/1423676424523767820?s=21

Can we have that happen in Oklahoma please…

https://www.newyorker.com/news/us-journal/the-struggle-to-vaccinate-springfield-missouri

For whatever it’s worth, we had to take our kid back in today as his asthma stuff is getting worse. Was told that the covid results would be in today (tested yesterday), but our doctor said that the tests are now backlogged given the large number of tests hitting the labs. That’s pretty concerning commentary from our dr on what to expect coming up...

For whatever it’s worth, we had to take our kid back in today as his asthma stuff is getting worse. Was told that the covid results would be in today (tested yesterday), but our doctor said that the tests are now backlogged given the large number of tests hitting the labs. That’s pretty concerning commentary from our dr on what to expect coming up...

If you're anxious, the rapid PCR tests are almost the same level of accuracy. More than likely insurance won't cover it though. Mercy Urgent Cares do them. Takes about 15 min. I think it cost around $50. I'm sure there's others as well, so it may be worth shopping around.

Take care and and I hope he feels better soon.

You can also pick up rapid tests at pharmacies and run them at home.

No Covid on the Weekends? I know someone went to Walgreens Friday morning for a test they told her 4-5 days. SMH

If they are not point-of-care tests, they are being shipped to labs all over the place for processing. I know our tests were initially shipped by DLO to a lab in Texas, and when we got our new contract they were being send to a lab in Virginia. The tests got their quickly, but they were being run in line with other tests from all over the place. Texas and Florida alone are likely causing backlogs in labs all over the place.

I think diagnostic labs are experiencing the same staffing issues as most other industries right now. I had a random DOT drug test at work not too long ago and the sample had to be sent to Philadelphia. I was out of work for 9 days before the results returned (not allowed to work until results clear). I wasn't too upset about it, as those turned into paid days once the results returned. But it has never taken so long, usually our turnaround is about 2-3 days.

FYI Health Watch Clinic at 19th and Portland offers free fast PCR tests. I had a mild sore throat and drainage last week and decided to get a test. You call once you are in the parking lot, fill out minimal paperwork, they swab you, and then you have the option to wait 15 minutes for the result or they call you.

Happily I was negative and my symptoms have since dissipated.

I had no idea about Health Watch until I visited the state health department website.

It was quick, easy, and free. Hard to beat that.

FYI Health Watch Clinic at 19th and Portland offers free fast PCR tests. I had a mild sore throat and drainage last week and decided to get a test. You call once you are in the parking lot, fill out minimal paperwork, they swab you, and then you have the option to wait 15 minutes for the result or they call you.

Happily I was negative and my symptoms have since dissipated.

I had no idea about Health Watch until I visited the state health department website.

It was quick, easy, and free. Hard to beat that.

Thanks for the heads up!!

6,328 new cases over the 3-day period. Last Monday was 5,597.

7-day average now 2,011.

Hospitalizations are 973 (+8).

ICU is 264 (-15).

You can also pick up rapid tests at pharmacies and run them at home.

Has anyone used these? Is there only one option or are there different kits of varying performance?

64.2% accuracy with symptoms, according to the CDC: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7003e3.htm#:~:text=Compared%20with%20real%2Dtime %20RT,in%20specimens%20from%20both%20groups.

Nomad is OK and easy to do. They come in packs of two, so I would do them a few days apart to be sure.

Ellume is pricier and works with your phone, but it also checks for human DNA as a control to make sure you got a good sample.

Edit to add: Ellume also gives you a printed result that can be used for flights and such.

Nice

https://twitter.com/georgemonks11/status/1424536858193715202?s=21

Almost a top ten state

Nice

https://twitter.com/georgemonks11/status/1424536858193715202?s=21

Almost a top ten state
Worse than Texas, but not as bad as Kazakhstan, where’s Borat?

https://twitter.com/mvskokeauntie/status/1424517184143990789?s=21

I 100percent agree! I hope and pray your Aunt will be ok!

Mercy hospital is out of open beds.

Oklahoma City hospital out of open beds denying transfer requests as Covid-19 surges. (https://okcfox.com/news/local/oklahoma-city-hospital-out-of-open-beds-denying-transfer-requests-as-covid-19-surges)

I 100percent agree! I hope and pray your Aunt will be ok!
That’s not my aunt but yes I agree I hope everyone will be okay. It’s so sad this is happening.

Get vaccinated https://kfor.com/news/local/oklahoma-man-who-needed-double-lung-transplant-after-covid-19-passes-away/?utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=facebook.com&fbclid=IwAR0DEPnPQy7j4nG0_J6BC9OaoSEjFxL7B4bRsMEZV CJRqJ3mEB1atMA1Yos

ECMO has been full for awhile now. That’s the last step to try to save lives and they are full up.

Has anyone used these? Is there only one option or are there different kits of varying performance?

I used a BinaxNow one on Friday, which came back negative. My doctor sent me today to get tested in person at Deaconess based on the symptoms I've been fighting since last Thursday. They're fairly certain I'm at about day 6/7. What my PCP told me was that a positive with one of the home tests is fairly strong, but a negative only means you're "likely" not positive. I'm hoping the home test is more accurate than what they're leading me to believe, because I'm due to travel next week.

I used a BinaxNow one on Friday, which came back negative. My doctor sent me today to get tested in person at Deaconess based on the symptoms I've been fighting since last Thursday. They're fairly certain I'm at about day 6/7. What my PCP told me was that a positive with one of the home tests is fairly strong, but a negative only means you're "likely" not positive. I'm hoping the home test is more accurate than what they're leading me to believe, because I'm due to travel next week.

I'm not sure if I trust myself to get up in there enough to get a good sample.

Hoping for a negative and that you're feeling better soon.

That’s the main benefit with Ellume. If you’re not scraping hard enough to get some of your nasal cells in the sample, it won’t give you a result at all.

The possible false negative is why I would recommend taking a second test a day or two later, since they come in two. A false negative rate can be improved by repeat testing.

Mercy hospital is out of open beds.

Oklahoma City hospital out of open beds denying transfer requests as Covid-19 surges. (https://okcfox.com/news/local/oklahoma-city-hospital-out-of-open-beds-denying-transfer-requests-as-covid-19-surges)

So and I hate to even ask this but why does it seem like our hospitals are in trouble with just over 900 statewide with covid vs the 1,930 we had at the peak? Nursing shortage?