This is like tornado season multiplied by a million. However, we ask the same thing every year: are the weathermen overreacting on broadcasting warnings? Will this event be another disaster like the Moore tornadoes, or maybe it will be like that day last spring in which the warnings came for a full week, but relatively few lives and property were lost after all. Was it overblown or justified?

And just like tornado season, many Oklahomans should not hesitate to pop a xanax to calm their nerves.

Press release:

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Mayor Holt to hold news conference at 1 p.m. Friday

4/2/2020

Mayor Holt will extend the state of emergency to April 30 to help limit the spread of COVID-19 during a news conference at 1 p.m. on Friday. The news conference will be closed for safety. News outlets can get the feed from Facebook at City of OKC or OKC-County Health Department.

I've been told the Tulsa area Walmarts have started restricting the amount of shoppers that will be allowed in the store at one time and reducing to only one entrance. If that hasn't happened hear yet, I would guess its coming.

I've been told the Tulsa area Walmarts have started restricting the amount of shoppers that will be allowed in the store at one time and reducing to only one entrance. If that hasn't happened hear yet, I would guess its coming.

I honestly don’t understand why everyone isn’t ordering online. Why risk a trip inside a store? But at least someone is getting wise. It’s sad that people don’t care enough to protect others, even if they don’t care about themselves. It’s no one’s constitutional right to infect others.

I honestly don’t understand why everyone isn’t ordering online. Why risk a trip inside a store? But at least someone is getting wise. It’s sad that people don’t care enough to protect others, even if they don’t care about themselves. It’s no one’s constitutional right to infect others.

Perhaps they don't have internet?

I've been told the Tulsa area Walmarts have started restricting the amount of shoppers that will be allowed in the store at one time and reducing to only one entrance. If that hasn't happened hear yet, I would guess its coming.

That probably explains what had been set up at the supercenter in Yukon. They reversed the door entrance/exit flow on one side and set up a sort of temporary barrier between the two main doors along the curb (possibly to make it more difficult to cut into the line). It could be bypassed when I went, but that may just indicate they are doing it at heaver trafficked times like evening and weekends.

I honestly don’t understand why everyone isn’t ordering online. Why risk a trip inside a store? But at least someone is getting wise. It’s sad that people don’t care enough to protect others, even if they don’t care about themselves. It’s no one’s constitutional right to infect others.

I honestly don't understand why you don't get reality....

"everyone" -- You do understand not everyone has the internet and not everyone has a credit card.

Regardless, do you also understand that, even if you do have Internet and credit card that MANY items someone would want to purchase and pickup or have delivered are often labeled "In-Store Purchase Only." I continually run into this when trying to buy items from Walmart and the hardware store.

Lastly, do you understand that often when you place an order online, it doesn't mean it's actually in stock. Often you'll get an email later stating that item is no longer available (even though it was available when the order was purchased). Or, vice-versa. The online inventory says it's not available, when in fact it is.

It's not about 'not caring' for many people. It's about necessity.

I honestly don't understand why you don't get reality....

"everyone" -- You do understand not everyone has the internet and not everyone has a credit card.

Regardless, do you also understand that, even if you do have Internet and credit card that MANY items someone would want to purchase and pickup or have delivered are often labeled "In-Store Purchase Only." I continually run into this when trying to buy items from Walmart and the hardware store.

Lastly, do you understand that often when you place an order online, it doesn't mean it's actually in stock. Often you'll get an email later stating that item is no longer available (even though it was available when the order was purchased). Or, vice-versa. The online inventory says it's not available, when in fact it is.

It's not about 'not caring' for many people. It's about necessity.

:yeahthat:

10% of America isn't online - https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/04/22/some-americans-dont-use-the-internet-who-are-they/

8% don't use banks - https://www.marketwatch.com/story/10-million-us-families-dont-use-a-bank-heres-what-it-costs-them-2016-09-23

30% don't have credit cards - https://www.creditcards.com/credit-card-news/ownership-statistics.php

NBC Nightly news just pretty much threw Oklahoma under the bus again.

And when everyone orders on line .......... the process will become over loaded and it will take half a day to pick up your order ........and then not get half of what you ordered.

That probably explains what had been set up at the supercenter in Yukon. They reversed the door entrance/exit flow on one side and set up a sort of temporary barrier between the two main doors along the curb (possibly to make it more difficult to cut into the line). It could be bypassed when I went, but that may just indicate they are doing it at heaver trafficked times like evening and weekends.

We just visited the Walmart in north Edmond Danforth & Santa Fe, and it was set up the same way. Other than trying to keep count of how many people that were in the store, I didn’t see the point as they were corralling folks into a gauntlet type entrance which guaranteed all to be in close proximity to each other until they got past the shopping cart area. And the clerk standing out side was paying no attention to what was going on around him. To me it looked more like a veiled attempt to get more control on shoplifting than shopper safety.

I honestly don't understand why you don't get reality....

"everyone" -- You do understand not everyone has the internet and not everyone has a credit card.

Regardless, do you also understand that, even if you do have Internet and credit card that MANY items someone would want to purchase and pickup or have delivered are often labeled "In-Store Purchase Only." I continually run into this when trying to buy items from Walmart and the hardware store.

Lastly, do you understand that often when you place an order online, it doesn't mean it's actually in stock. Often you'll get an email later stating that item is no longer available (even though it was available when the order was purchased). Or, vice-versa. The online inventory says it's not available, when in fact it is.

It's not about 'not caring' for many people. It's about necessity.

I did walmart pick up today for the first time ever. I never shop at Walmart ever. I did get everything i wanted however everything was a limit of 2. No matter what I tired to order i could only get 2. Tv dinner only 2. Now i could order different kinds of tv dinner but say chicken Alfredo only could get 2. Canned corn only 2.

This borders on political, but it shines light on the argument in favor or regulating the internet as a public utility.

NBC Nightly news just pretty much threw Oklahoma under the bus again.

Why? There is nothing OK is doing wrong, aside from being delayed. Not sure why we can't get more tests, but I don't think it is all on Stitt.

Why? There is nothing OK is doing wrong, aside from being delayed.

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?

Did OK have any big huge mass gatherings in March besides thunder basketball games?

Some cities had Madris Gras while others still hosted St Patricks day events.

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?

Like I have said before, he was delayed in what his response should have been. But now that he has, it is just piss and vinegar being spewed at him by people on this board. We can't go back in time, either. It should now be focused on what we need to do going forward.

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?

Yawn . . .

I did walmart pick up today for the first time ever. I never shop at Walmart ever. I did get everything i wanted however everything was a limit of 2. No matter what I tired to order i could only get 2. Tv dinner only 2. Now i could order different kinds of tv dinner but say chicken Alfredo only could get 2. Canned corn only 2.

Totally depends what you diet/needs consists of.... We try to eat fresh meals most of the week. And, the wife loves to juice to keep her vitamin levels up.

My list I tried to compile today that was a deal breaker and forced me to go in person:

Bananas - In-store purchase only

Tomatoes - In-store purchase only

Apples - In-store purchase only

Carrots - In-store purchase only

*Seeing a trend here with the fruits & veggies?

Our dog food we normally buy - In-store purchase only

Lozenges I have to have because my cancer treatment left me unable to produce saliva - Not even listed on WalMart's website, but I go in and buy them there weekly.

You want Lysol spray or sanitizer? Good luck. I showed up at 6:45am to lineup at WalMart. They had both and both were gone in 10 minutes and you could only get it by showing up first thing in the morning.

Saw a few headlines floating around that medical professionals are being harmed just cause they're wearing scrubs? One of which was a nurse being shot at in OKC. Why harm the people that are trying to help?

Saw a few headlines floating around that medical professionals are being harmed just cause they're wearing scrubs? One of which was a nurse being shot at in OKC. Why harm the people that are trying to help?
This story doesn't appear to have been true.

Saw a few headlines floating around that medical professionals are being harmed just cause they're wearing scrubs? One of which was a nurse being shot at in OKC. Why harm the people that are trying to help?

The nurse lied. I hope she is prosecuted.

https://i.redd.it/vxul6je0tiq41.png

Stitt said yesterday that hospitals and county health departments need to loosen their standards on testing and the state has the ability to test 15,000.

hopefully we will move up that chart soon.

https://i.redd.it/vxul6je0tiq41.png
Terrible.

Stitt said yesterday that hospitals and county health departments need to loosen their standards on testing and the state has the ability to test 15,000.

hopefully we will move up that chart soon.

Plus, if we could somehow get the counts for negatives from the various private labs, and not just the State Public Health Laboratory, that would change that count/ranking.

Don't know if anyone's posted this - but this has good information on how many tests at each lab, availability, how many samples arrived, and status of beds, ppe, etc.

https://coronavirus.health.ok.gov/executive-order-reports

https://i.redd.it/vxul6je0tiq41.png

So is California crucifying their Governor yet?

That probably explains what had been set up at the supercenter in Yukon. They reversed the door entrance/exit flow on one side and set up a sort of temporary barrier between the two main doors along the curb (possibly to make it more difficult to cut into the line). It could be bypassed when I went, but that may just indicate they are doing it at heaver trafficked times like evening and weekends.

They are also apparently making aisles one way so that's nice.

Don't know if anyone's posted this - but this has good information on how many tests at each lab, availability, how many samples arrived, and status of beds, ppe, etc.

https://coronavirus.health.ok.gov/executive-order-reports

i hadn't seen it... really good information. thanks!

the daily reports cover a stat that's not on the main page, current hospitalizations. i know some around here were wondering about that particular metric. from the april 2nd report:


Hospitalized Ever: 257
Currently Hospitalized: 182 (144 in ICU)

Don't know if anyone's posted this - but this has good information on how many tests at each lab, availability, how many samples arrived, and status of beds, ppe, etc.

https://coronavirus.health.ok.gov/executive-order-reports

Thanks for posting this.

So is California crucifying their Governor yet?

Cali has 10x the population of Oklahoma and thus has tested more than 15x the number of people we have.

Cali has 10x the population of Oklahoma and thus has tested more than 15x the number of people we have.

Additionally, San Francisco, as major population center, was one of the 1st places to institute a substantial lockdown order so the spread of the virus there has been significantly less and that necessitates less tests overall.

Don't know if anyone's posted this - but this has good information on how many tests at each lab, availability, how many samples arrived, and status of beds, ppe, etc.

https://coronavirus.health.ok.gov/executive-order-reports

Very informative information. Looks like the # of tests available is improving but the ability of labs to get the results out is a problem.

Cali has 10x the population of Oklahoma and thus has tested more than 15x the number of people we have.

And I would assume they have 10x the medical infrastructure and 10x the funding too. I guess per capita doesn't matter when we are making a point?

Totally depends what you diet/needs consists of.... We try to eat fresh meals most of the week. And, the wife loves to juice to keep her vitamin levels up.

My list I tried to compile today that was a deal breaker and forced me to go in person:

Bananas - In-store purchase only

Tomatoes - In-store purchase only

Apples - In-store purchase only

Carrots - In-store purchase only

*Seeing a trend here with the fruits & veggies?

Our dog food we normally buy - In-store purchase only

Lozenges I have to have because my cancer treatment left me unable to produce saliva - Not even listed on WalMart's website, but I go in and buy them there weekly.

You want Lysol spray or sanitizer? Good luck. I showed up at 6:45am to lineup at WalMart. They had both and both were gone in 10 minutes and you could only get it by showing up first thing in the morning.

Huh I was able to get bananas and carrots. They are probably changing that. Yeah good luck with Lysol anywhere.

And I would assume they have 10x the medical infrastructure and 10x the funding too. I guess per capita doesn't matter when we are making a point?

They are testing at a rate that’s 150% of ours. We’re still last in testing in the nation by far. What’s your point again?

Updated numbers just released for Friday.

http://www.okctalk.com/images/pete/corona040320a.jpg

They are testing at a rate that’s 150% of ours. We’re still last in testing in the nation by far. What’s your point again?

California is testing at a very low percentage nationally 49th out of 50 states - they are a very wealthy state compared to Oklahoma and have the ability to test many more people, so if they are lagging behind, why are we bashing our poor, small state for doing the same? Is it because of the political affiliation of the governor or some similar reason? Why don't you tell me.

Why? There is nothing OK is doing wrong, aside from being delayed. Not sure why we can't get more tests, but I don't think it is all on Stitt.

Lack of testing and lack of a shelter in place. One of only I think 7 states.

California is testing at a very low percentage nationally - they are a very wealthy state compared to Oklahoma and have the ability to test many more people, so if they are lagging behind, why are we bashing our poor, small state for doing the same? Is it because of the political affiliation of the governor or some similar reason? Why don't you tell me.

Imagine our response doesn’t suck because 49th in testing is 150% of us? And the other 48?

My imagination isn’t as strong as yours

California is testing at a very low percentage nationally 49th out of 50 states - they are a very wealthy state compared to Oklahoma and have the ability to test many more people, so if they are lagging behind, why are we bashing our poor, small state for doing the same? Is it because of the political affiliation of the governor or some similar reason? Why don't you tell me.

This is an Oklahoma forum which is why people are concentrating on the situation here.

Not that difficult to understand.

So, what is considered a non-essential business? Seems like that list is really small.

Lack of testing and lack of a shelter in place. One of only I think 7 states.

Safer at home all across the state is essentially the same as a shelter in place. Non-essential businesses are closed. I don't think any state is actually using police force to enforce these rules. How is OK's compared to others?

Huh I was able to get bananas and carrots. They are probably changing that. Yeah good luck with Lysol anywhere.

How were you able to order bananas for pickup/delivery off Walmart's website? I'm on it right now and it clearly says "In-store purchase only." Same for carrots.


Lysol spray also says "In-store purchase only" and showed the Great Value brand to be "out of stock."

I went this morning and they did have the Great Value disinfectant spray in stock (even though the website said otherwise). I bought some (1 can per person).

How were you able to order bananas for pickup/delivery off Walmart's website? I'm on it right now and it clearly says "In-store purchase only." Same for carrots.


Lysol spray also says "In-store purchase only" and showed the Great Value brand to be "out of stock."

I went this morning and they did have the Great Value disinfectant spray in stock (even though the website said otherwise). I bought some (1 can per person).

It may just be the policy of your "home" Walmart; mine shows bananas are available for pickup:15911

The decrease in percentage growth in new positives and hospitalizations is a cautiously hopeful sign as our testing volume and results throughput presumably increases.

Safer at home all across the state is essentially the same as a shelter in place. Non-essential businesses are closed. I don't think any state is actually using police force to enforce these rules. How is OK's compared to others?

That's my understanding as well... what we are doing as far as shelter-in-place isn't that different from anyone else...especially since most of the larger cities have stricter guidelines than the state. It's just a talking point and doesn't matter near as much as what some who have an extreme hate our governor/state government want to act like it does. The bigger and really biggest issue is the lack of testing...and I don't really understand where the hangup is.

That's my understanding as well... what we are doing as far as shelter-in-place isn't that different from anyone else...especially since most of the larger cities have stricter guidelines than the state. It's just a talking point and doesn't matter near as much as what some who have an extreme hate our governor/state government want to act like it does. The bigger and really biggest issue is the lack of testing...and I don't really understand where the hangup is.

The problem is when the Governor says things like the bolded below (from https://kfor.com/health/coronavirus/oklahoma-governor-enacting-new-covid-19-guidelines-no-statewide-stay-at-home-order-in-place/). Why can't he do that, he's the governor? Other states have done that exact thing, even issuing cease-and-desist orders and fines. And leaving it up to citizens to use personal responsibility? hahahahahahahaha......

"Safer-At-Home" is different than “Stay-At-Home" orders in place in both Norman and Oklahoma City.

These require all residents to stay home with the exception of running essential errands, like going to the grocery store or pharmacy.

The governor, saying these orders are unrealistic, told Oklahomans instead to use personal responsibility.

“In my opinion, I cannot shut things down and bunker in place,” said Stitt."

Safer at home all across the state is essentially the same as a shelter in place. Non-essential businesses are closed. I don't think any state is actually using police force to enforce these rules. How is OK's compared to others?

Colorado has been enforcing. Hobby Lobby, Game Stop along with some local stores have been fined and forced to close. One appliance store was forced to close, filed suit and the state was stopped from fining until the store could have it's day in court. This same store was featured for delivering a free refrigerator to a poor family whose old one went out and they had no way to store food. It's a touchy matter but the Hobby Lobby's of the world pretty obviously are not essential.

The problem is when the Governor says things like the bolded below (from https://kfor.com/health/coronavirus/oklahoma-governor-enacting-new-covid-19-guidelines-no-statewide-stay-at-home-order-in-place/). Why can't he do that, he's the governor? Other states have done that exact thing, even issuing cease-and-desist orders and fines. And leaving it up to citizens to use personal responsibility? hahahahahahahaha......

"Safer-At-Home" is different than “Stay-At-Home" orders in place in both Norman and Oklahoma City.

These require all residents to stay home with the exception of running essential errands, like going to the grocery store or pharmacy.

The governor, saying these orders are unrealistic, told Oklahomans instead to use personal responsibility.

“In my opinion, I cannot shut things down and bunker in place,” said Stitt."

But they aren't really that restrictive (there are a ton of exceptions) and no one is enforcing them (I'm not sure how legally enforceable they actually are anyway) so while saying "Everyone stay home!" sounds great, I'm not sure how much difference using either designations makes. https://www.okc.gov/Home/Components/News/News/3343/18

Colorado has been enforcing. Hobby Lobby, Game Stop along with some local stores have been fined and forced to close. One appliance store was forced to close, filed suit and the state was stopped from fining until the store could have it's day in court. This same store was featured for delivering a free refrigerator to a poor family whose old one went out and they had no way to store food. It's a touchy matter but the Hobby Lobby's of the world pretty obviously are not essential.

Hobby Lobby closed all of their stores...

Really glad to hear something is being done at Walmart. I went 5 days ago (I never go in general, but needed something I can only find there) and it was horrible. Crowded aisles, people (including my check out guy) coughing, little to no attempts at social distancing, etc. I got out of there as fast as I could. Obviously supermarkets are essential, but I saw little difference in terms of spread potential between that and many other events that have been canceled...

Hobby Lobby closed all of their stores...

The point being, some states ARE actively enforcing the rules. Someone mentioned earlier he/she wasn't sure anyone was doing this.

The point being, some states ARE actively enforcing the rules. Someone mentioned earlier he/she wasn't sure anyone was doing this.

They are doing that here, to places that stay open unlawfully. But it is hard to fully enforce the ruling. and a national one would be unconstitutional.

My family has done Shipt twice now. Its like trying to buy concert tickets, you have check first thing in the morning to try find a slot for the next available day. Walmart pickup is the same way.

If this happened 2 or 3 years into the future, I think grocery delivery would have been more widespread and developed.

Really glad to hear something is being done at Walmart. I went 5 days ago (I never go in general, but needed something I can only find there) and it was horrible. Crowded aisles, people (including my check out guy) coughing, little to no attempts at social distancing, etc. I got out of there as fast as I could. Obviously supermarkets are essential, but I saw little difference in terms of spread potential between that and many other events that have been canceled...

eh, i dunno. there is a big difference in the risk profile between sitting next to 20 other people (all of whom are singing) for 3 hours during a Cher concert and spending half an hour at the grocery store trying to find your favorite Kombucha.

i've also noticed the better stores (Target, Whole Foods, etc.) are not nearly as busy as the Walmarts of the world. Probably because the average person who goes to Whole Foods is ordering almost everything online rn.

But they aren't really that restrictive (there are a ton of exceptions) and no one is enforcing them (I'm not sure how legally enforceable they actually are anyway) so while saying "Everyone stay home!" sounds great, I'm not sure how much difference using either designations makes. https://www.okc.gov/Home/Components/News/News/3343/18

"Safer-At-Home" only applies to Oklahomans over age 65 and those with and those with underlying medical conditions, thought I had put that in there, but guess not. So yes, there *is* a difference between "Stay-At-Home" and "Safer-At-Home", and just the optics of a governor saying "Everybody stay home!" instead of "Eh, only the old and sick gotta stay at home, good luck to the rest of you, exercise personal responsibility." is better. And we all know how well people using personal responsibility (in the absence of clear leadership mentioning specific actions to take or not take) during this pandemic has worked out.

My family has done Shipt twice now. Its like trying to buy concert tickets, you have check first thing in the morning to try find a slot for the next available day. Walmart pickup is the same way.

If this happened 2 or 3 years into the future, I think grocery delivery would have been more widespread and developed.

FWIW, I used Instacart for the first time (for Aldi, which isn't my first choice but wound up being super affordable and had 90% of what I wanted) and didn't have much of an issue. Ordered at like 9PM Wednesday night and had my groceries delivered at noon Thursday. The other stores I checked (Homeland, Target, etc.) had next-afternoon delivery slots available as well.

FWIW, I used Instacart for the first time (for Aldi, which isn't my first choice but wound up being super affordable and had 90% of what I wanted) and didn't have much of an issue. Ordered at like 9PM Wednesday night and had my groceries delivered at noon Thursday. The other stores I checked (Homeland, Target, etc.) had next-afternoon delivery slots available as well.

I will have to keep Instacart in mind for the future.